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Entire paragraphs of the lead are completely unsourced, and my adding of citation needed tags to make clear the problem was entirely removed, and controversial unsourced statements sometimes contradicted by linked articles were left included without any source, i have since removed some of these but the lead requires a serious increase in sources.
Also, please have some regard for unrelated changes, some of them, such as simple grammar changes I made where undone seemingly simply due to the editor who removed my citation needed tags not bothering to keep them. Corinal (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Also note, many controversial unsourced statements remain, but as i do not wish to remove the entire lead i have kept them, hopefully they can either be properly sourced or found not to be supported by sources and removed. Corinal (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Removing things from the lead paragraphs is not necessarily a bad idea. The lead section of this article is very long, much longer than recommended in MOS:LEADLENGTH, and forbidding to a reader who is trying to get acquainted with the subject.
However, at this point in the long and difficult history of this article, removing even a single sentence is like pulling a tooth. Perhaps we should start by preceding each removal by starting a discussion of it on the talk page? Sounds heavy-handed, but if it gets something done, that would set a good precedent.
I was at first struck by the removal of the sentence mentioning "Soviet Empire". Seems like we wouldn't need this in the lead paragraphs, would we? But that phrase is used later in the article (search for it and you'll see). So if we remove it from the lead, we have to re-introduce the definition in some other way, or something. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:06, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
I generally agree with what Bruce has said, the lead is too long and has unnecessary content such as the random mention of "Soviet Empire" but if this content is later mentioned in the article it may need to be rephrased there, and again stress the importance of citing controversial claims which are in the lead, and making clear that they are controversial rather than simply stating them as fact.
It seems moxy still opposes at least adding the citations (unsure their position on fixing the POV) however am i unsure why as the reason they provided, the link to the guideline, actually says that controversial claims should be cited even in the lead.
I have attempted to remove the controversial claims while they are uncited and stated as fact as they are not strictly necessary in the lead and currently do not provide a NPOV, remember moxy, they can always be re-added later when handled properly. Corinal (talk) 04:23, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Moxy- 14:17, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
I also agree that the lede needs to be revamped....it seems biased and unnecessarily wordy.....when I tried to work in the vast contradictions of the USSR (like investing heavily in a space program; while the Trans-Siberian Highway remained unpaved), it go deleted. RomanGrandpa (talk) 19:20, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
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Could anyone correct reference L regarding “Union dissolved 26 December 1991”? Current link is incorrect and should link to https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Декларация_Совета_Республик_ВС_СССР_от_26.12.1991_№_142-Н Darz Mol (talk) 21:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
.. there are some lovely wikipedia pages.
And some unlovely.
Like this one.
As it is?
Huge phalanxes of text going down three screens (!)
.. before (!) readers get to the index.
Huge text 'density' problem.
Unreadable for average encyclopedia audiences.
Solution: everyone takes a deep breath and drafts a three para intro for the index, one that fits on one screen.
Happy to help.
Yes, real name. Jasonbrown1965 (talk) 01:08, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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We should link the Luna 9 moon landing Wikipedia page mentioned in De-Stalinization and Khrushchev Thaw (1953–1964) section.
Luna 9 Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_9 Taylorcmcintire (talk) 15:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
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I would like "A flagship communist state," in the first paragraph to be changed into "A flagship Marxist-Leninist state," for the fact that a lot of people will think communism is something similar to or completely like the Soviet Union. Imherebecauseimanerd (talk) 14:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
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template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)It declared independence on November 30th, 1991, so it should count as having succeeded the USSR, especially since it lasted all the way until 2000, and had control over the territory it claimed, as well as being recognized by a UN member state (Afghanistan) Loganp23 (talk) 08:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Please change the used name for the Ukrainian capital city from "Kiev" (derived from the Russian language name Киев) to Kyiv (derived from the Ukrainian language name Київ), reflecting the the fact that it is in Ukraine, not Russia. 31.164.93.56 (talk) 17:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Goszei do you think the introduction is short enough now? Jack Upland (talk) 07:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Why is there no section in this article about the collapse of the Soviet Union?
See this: https://www.britannica.com/event/the-collapse-of-the-Soviet-Union
Tondelleo Schwarzkopf (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
The map should be changed to highlight only the Soviet Union. The current map, include its satellite states - Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary & (in light green) Albania. GoodDay (talk) 14:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Not a single image or photo is shown in this article until the reader reaches the section on the Stalin era, where suddenly there is a dense cluster of photographs of the famine, forced labor, and Great Purge. How can this article pretend to present a "neutral point of view" if it doesn't even bother depicting anything about the Soviet Union before this?
If you compare it to the French, German, and Russian articles, the imagery looks nothing alike. Those articles feature maps and photographs of Lenin, Trotsky, the Revolution, etc., first—all of which are of major importance to the topic, it should go without saying. They suffice with a single image of atrocity under Stalin when they reach that point.
As it stands, the English article is quite clearly trying to give the reader a particular "first impression" and heavily emphasize Stalin's atrocities rather than simply document the Soviet Union in a neutral and balanced fashion. — Uiscefada (talk) 01:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Jack Upland, Brandmeister In July when I added the lead too long warning you guys got it shortened down to a good length in regards to MOS, now it has been expanded again. I believe the lead needs to be shortened again in compliance with MOS. Aaron106 (talk) 04:47, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
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The soviet anthem do not have the Chinese sub so I want to add one pls Unknow00000 (talk) 17:45, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
An edit I made removing the Environment section was reverted. I believe it isn't necessary to include such a topic as the topic generally falls under the Geography section and other country articles on wikipedia seem to lack an environment section.The section currently lacks any content worth merging with the geography section due to being poorly written and lacking relevance/notability so I felt that removing it did not need an explanation; I had not realised that this was a contentious topic. Originalcola (talk) 01:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:No original research/noticeboard § Soviet Rbl. NotReallySoroka (talk) 14:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
In the info box, the flag of Kazakhstan is the Soviet one. Why is this? 165.234.101.99 (talk) 16:00, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Soviet Union's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "sander":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT⚡ 17:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
please add map of soviet union in 1936. Thank you. Make it alongside the cold war map. Soviet (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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At the beginning of the article a map of "The Soviet Union during the Cold War", it is a map of the entire Eastern Bloc, not just the USSR. At the beginning of the article, the largest cities of the USSR are listed, there are cities: Sofia, Budapest, Bratislava, Krakow. These cities never belonged to the Soviet Union. How can you make such mistakes?!--109.87.11.238 (talk) 13:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
The ethnic groups section on the top infobox has no source and seems to be entirely incorrect (The USSR was not even close to 23.7% Kazakh in 1989). It should be replaced with properly sourced statistics on the same topic. Sam97368 (talk) 16:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be better to merge them? 178.120.61.200 (talk) 03:53, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD&diff=prev&oldid=1169319568 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.188.227.193 (talk) 03:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
it should be extended confirm protection due to it being part of russian history, Russia is an extended confirm article 174.66.101.236 (talk) 16:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
In letter of President of RF to UNSG dated 24th December 1991 you can read i.a.: "I have the honour to inform you that the membership of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in the United Nations, including the Security Council and all other organs and organizations of the United Nations system, is being continued by the Russian Federation (RSFSR) with the support of the countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States."
According to Public International Law succession does not include taking the membership in international organizations by successor state. In addition according to Article 23 of the UN Charter "Soviet Union" is a member of UNSC, not "Russian Federation". Mistepien (talk) 20:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Seems like legacy should be the last category in the article, after thee USSR's legacy is discussed it goes on to sports, seems out of order RomanGrandpa (talk) 18:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
Stalin was nowhere near close to consolidating power in the party or the country in 1924 or 1925. It's only until 1926 that he began to properly consolidate power. Nearly every source would point to the fact that from 1924 to somewhere around 1928-1930 (at the most) the Soviet Union was collectively ruled and not governed by any specific person or group. Who's the dictator from 1924-1928/30? We don't consider Lenin's rule as a 'dictatorship' in this article despite him objectively having better qualifications to be classified as such. We aren't considering the period after Stalin as being a dictatorship so it's not the party that's forming the dictatorship. The section for the 1924-1927 government form does not have any sources provided. I will be revising it as such. If there is any objections please do raise them. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 01:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)