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What in the world does the quote from Muhammad Ali have to do with India? (If there's a connection, it's not revealed in the article.) Jdavidb 00:49, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
its true that there is large scale prevalance of female infanticide and foeticide in Inida but where does these advertisements come from,PNT(prenatal diagnostic tests)are long declared illegal in India and the diagnostic centres need a license to buy a ultrasound scanner,and the tests are permitted only for medical tests under strict regulation,this may not stop sex-selective abortions but no one would dare to advertise as u said in this article,this is a misinformation,pls remove it.I am not cotending that there is no sex-selective abortion and infanticide in India it is much more prevalent in India than anywere else with some districts having sex ratio of less than 750 females for 1000 males in the age group of 0-6.(There is also influence from advertisements saying that it was better to spend $35 to $40 to terminate a female fetus than to spend $3,500 to $4,000 later on her dowry.)
Sex selective abandonment is the non-fatal alternative to sex-selective abortion and infanticide. Many Chinese baby girls have been sacrificed for China's one-child policy. 95% Chinese children up for adoption are females. Most Chinese male children up for adoption had disabilities. It also has a positive result in the long run. Many Americans embrace Chinese culture, such as eating Chinese food, buying Chinese ornaments, and, more surprisingly, adopting Chinese baby girls. American and Canadian families are on a mission to rescue China's lost girls from the darkness of the "Dying Rooms." In 1998, China toned down adoption restrictions, letting many unwanted infant girls find homes in my country the United States. These little Chinese baby girls are the most rejected and discarded Chinese people, and their healthy male counterparts living with their biological parents have been dubbed "the little emperors." Chinese baby girls are left in boxes, on the streets, in the woods, on the parks, and in the subways. An increasing number of Americans and Canadians are spending US$3,000 to adopt Chinese baby girls. In 1995, 2,901 Chinese infants were adopted by U.S. citizens, and more and more are adopted in the years afterward. In 2003, 1,108 Chinese infants were adopted by Canadians. Most American parents desire to adopt more than one Chinese baby girl, but one every few years. When Chinese girls are adopted by Americans, they are given western names instead of Chinese names. When they are brought to the United States, they become educated, but learn English instead of Chinese. Chinese baby girls are usually adopted by Caucasian parents. I do not know of any Chinese baby girls who were adopted by African-American parents. Like Lisa Ling, I believe that one day when the lost Chinese girls adopted by the Americans are grown up, they will learn Chinese, and return to China, and change China. Not only that, but I also believe that, as adults, they will get the opportunity to meet their Chinese biological parents, especially the mothers who abandoned them. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 06:29, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
I don't think Lisa Ling is adopted, btw, but that is neither here nor there.
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Combining infanticide and abortion is subscribing to a particular "faith based" view of abortion, and should not be presented as it is here. I believe we all agree that infanticide is murder. We do not all agree on abortion being in any sense equivalent. I would ask the editorial review group to split this article and so remove any bias towards one view rather than another.
this article is feminist blasphemy againist indian and chinese beleifs and should be DELETED and whoever wrote it prosecuted for blasphemy!!Pʰil 07:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I know this will remain in the edited versions of the page, but the following text was removed (by me) from the conclusion section because it appears to be unverifiable and unsourced. the numbers and studies information that still remains there is also apparently unsourced and uncited and I think that should be rectified. This section I'm pasting below IS INTERESTING but without citation, it just seems to be conjecture, and largely irrelevant to the more serious consequences and problems with selective abortion and infanticide. It needs to be cited.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.138.63 (talk • contribs)
isn't the gender of a child determined by the father? the chromosome he puts forth is either X or Y, while the mother will always put forth X. I am confused by this section. 67.162.66.69 21:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
"...close to 10 million female fetuses aborted in India over the past 20 years." This statement doesn't tell me anything if it leaves out the number of male fetuses aborted. Also, it doesn't give an indication of how many of those were known to be female before the abortion. Ojcit 05:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
"India's patrilineal and patriarchal system of families is that having at least one son is mandatory". This is not entirely accurate. In many parts of India, (for eg. : Kerala), a matriarchal system was followed. Female children were just as important as male children, and kids usually took the name of their mother's ancestral household/hometown.
I have links for this. I tried to put them up in the stub earlier but I seemed to be having problems with them. I would put a link in and then it would conceal everything after the link. I will try to get these up as soon a possible. Thank you for your patience. If anyone would like to assist the links are supposed to be: after disability in the first sentence [1].
and [2] (after the second sentence)
Pax, jfraatz
Problem fixed. It's visible now.
Problem solved. The rest of the text is visible now. oh no no no no no it is visible ... SIMPLY KIDDING...............—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jfraatz (talk • contribs) 00:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
Whoa hold on. It's just a stub. It hasn't been developed yet. Give a couple of days before deleteing. I'll renovate and improve it in the mean time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jfraatz (talk • contribs) 00:15, March 2, 2007 (UTC)
I boldly merged Prenatal discrimination and Sex-selective abortion and infanticide into this new article, as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prenatal discrimination. This article needs a lot of work as it's absolutely filled with unsourced claims, POV statements and original research. I took the liberty of adding tags at the top of the page and inserting various in-line tags as well. Hopefully editors can fill in the blanks with reliable sourcing. -- Scientizzle 03:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Because the article has been tagged for insufficent citations, we need to hire citation hunters, getting the article in accordance to accepted Wikipedia standards. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 22:48, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
"Sex-selective abortion and infanticide" is not an accurate title for what actually happens. This is about a cultural phenomenon which is widespread. The fact that it is theoretically possible to kill a fetus or infant because it is male should not be used to detract from the persistent, widespread, internationally-recognized cultural phenomenon of murder of female infants and abortion of female fetuses. Joie de Vivre 22:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This kind of false "egalitarianism" does a disservice to anyone who wants equality between the sexes. Ongoing murder of baby girls and abortion of female fetuses is so prevalent that there is a marked imbalance between the sexes where the practice continues. If anyone happens to dig up references about the selective abortion of male fetuses (or infanticide), if they happen to exist, certainly they could be included as a contrast. In the absence of evidence of such phenomena, "sex-selective" is a terrible, weasel-worded euphemism. Joie de Vivre 23:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This is a really ugly form of sexism. We are not under obligation to prop the door open for a nonexistent phenomenon. The entire reason this exists is that millions of girls have been killed because of societal preference. There would not be an article if not for the phenomenon of girl fetuses and babies being killed. I think this "unisex" approach is really ugly, it guts the truth. Joie de Vivre 01:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Suggesting this is merged with Male infanticide... 82.32.57.70 17:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that the article should be split or that it's pov. It's a most important subject. As stated above, even atheists (like me) are concerned about the problem.
Historically, infanticide and selective abortion are related. Even in Western history both were common and intertwined, as can be seen in Will Durant's book on Greece.
I've added Psychohistorical views on infanticide in the "See also" section because I believe psychohistory theory provides the meta-perspective to understand this phenomenon. Take a look at this essay, ON THE DEMOGRAPHY OF FILICIDE, which appears after the first two paragraphs of the above, capital-letters link.
—Cesar Tort 00:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I added a book: page 248, Images of Women in Chinese Thought and Culture, edited by Robin R. Wang. Pub 2003 by Hackett Publishing. It's a Google 'search inside the book'. I don't know how to format refs. --—CynRN (Talk) 03:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a controversy as to whether this page should be ad Sex-selective abortion and infanticide or Sex-selective abortion and female infanticide. If the second one is better, it should at least be something like Sex-selective female abortion and infanticide (different location of female). -Zeus-uc 05:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Vernon Reynolds and Ralph Tanner: Biology of Religion argues that in renaissance Italy, England, "Germany" the sex ratio was 1.4-1.6 (male):1 (female) in the nobility attributed to hypergamy-motivated infactide, and also argues that it was nearly 1:1 within the commoners. 188.36.168.72 (talk) 07:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I have added a section on the Caucasus, relying upon Attané, Isabelle, and Guilmoto, Christophe Z., Watering the Neighbor's Garden: The Growing Demographic Female Deficit in Asia, Paris, Committee for International Cooperation in National Research in Demography, 2007. This is a rich source of data, for anyone wanting to explore it, for all of Asia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.62.158.205 (talk) 13:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)