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adam lanza seperate page[edit]

it appears to have been a while since this was last requested but there's a lengthy draft ready to be published. I just need to reach a consesus before it can be published.

Draft here for anyone curious. Lmk what yous think: Draft:Adam Lanza Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 06:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am in favor of Lanza having a separate page. 71.221.216.157 (talk) 01:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Current consesus status is: 2-3 opposes favour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizzaflanagan221 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ive updated it heavily since this post. feel free to drop ur thoughts. i need to reach a consesus before i can nominate it as an article Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 18:33, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The image of Lanza here probably isn't free to use as it has been taken from a news article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it was taken by a news article but was released by police Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 18:56, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That image file makes the false claim that the image is in the public domain as the work of an employee of the US federal government. It is a college ID photo, and college ID photographers are not federal government employees, except possibly for those working at the military academies. I do not believe that photo is in the public domain. Cullen328 (talk) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree to Adam Lanzas own wiki page TheGoodChief (talk) 12:50, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Im in favour of Adam Lanza getting his own wiki page TheGoodChief (talk) 21:02, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:BLP1E, which policy does not support a biographical page exclusively for Adam Lanza as opposed to the page related to his crime. General Ization Talk 19:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a well known image of Lanza and it appears to be his school ID photo. I'm not an expert but would be cautious about saying that it is in the public domain. Police mugshots etc in the US are usually not free to use unless clearly stated as such.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i understand but Wikipedia:Article size says articles over 9,000 words "Probably should be divided or trimmed, though the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material." Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The text of this article does not currently exceed 9000 words. [2] General Ization Talk 19:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
says 9087 not including info box Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Click on the link in my comment above. XTOOLS reports the current text as being 8,451 words. Assuming either figure, the length is not excessive given the significance of the case and the multiple facets of its 11-year aftermath needing to be covered in the article. General Ization Talk 19:37, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
take Nikolas Cruz's article for example. Parkland high school shooting page had 9500 words prior to his article's creation, got reduced to 6000. I read somewhere that the ideal page byte size is 50,000-100,000 per article and Sandyhook page has 200,000. I believe making lanza's page will improve readability. Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 19:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In Favour. I think it’s absolutely necessary that there is a page for Adam Lanza. There is so much information that so many people could learn from his case and prevent similar events from happening again, i.e. parents of children who exhibits traits like Lanza.
There is a lot of misinformation about his case and a lot of assumptions, however I feel that if the information was more readily available for those who aren’t willing to do thorough research, people would have a better understanding of what happened and factors that could’ve contributed. I personally believe that there could have been leaps and bounds of progress made in relation to prevention of shootings, and understanding and support for autistic youth who may exhibit similar traits to Lanza had the correct information been easily obtained by the public, rather than the false info which is still very easily obtainable to this day via google search.
While I understand the logic behind not creating wikipedia pages for people who have committed such acts, I find it very unfair that other shooters have their own pages in that case. I think that either all of them should have a page, or none at all. And as it has been pointed out numerous times, Lanza does qualify to have a page.
It does feel like there is a personal bias, which is non-sensical to me. It looks like this argument is being shut down under the assumption that Elizzaflanagan221 is an ‘obsessive’. Whether or not that is true doesn’t feel relevant to me, as it is a discussion concerning facts. And at the end of the day, the obsessives already have all the information they need. An Adam Lanza wikipedia page would benefit those uneducated much more. It’s also important in my opinion that we don’t assume the reasons for people’s curiosity, and don’t deny people that out of personal bias.
I am new to this, so please do explain (in a more digestible manner) if I’m misunderstanding anything. Fever2tell (talk) 20:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In Favour. Adam Lanza was far more globally discussed and analyzed than Elliot Rodger ever was. His actions have caused billion dollar lawsuits, the biggest Second Amendment reckoning in modern American history, a President in tears. And his back story, including the killing of his mother, including mass media blaming his video game usage for his actions, are all related to to him as an individual and doesn't fit this current page. If there is any school shooter that is notable enough for his own page, it's Adam Lanza. Nokia621 (talk) 21:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. on the grounds that in addition to WP:BIO1E, given above, Adam Lanza is the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and that the principle set out there is that "A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person." I believe this is a higher bar than WP:BIO1E alone. There is no need for an entirely separate article, a biographical section within the main article ought to be sufficient for a biography about Lanza. That way, all the information is in one place and readers do not have to shuttle between articles to read the full story. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image of Lanza[edit]

Re this edit: Previously there has been a decision not to use this image for WP:NFCC reasons. Since I don't want any back and forth reverts on this, can we agree whether this image is OK? ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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