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the technical talk about this photo, seems way too technical for an article about Cappa the photographer. Maybe the photo deserves a page on its own.
The references I put here prove that the photo was staged. Combats in Espejo, where the photos were taken (see graphical demonstration http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1201116/How-Capas-camera-does-lie-The-photographic-proof-iconic-Falling-Soldier-image-staged.html ), took place the days 22-25 of September, but the photo was made public about 25th of September in France (I don't know exact date). Combats in Cerro Muriano ended the 5th of September. So it's clear that it was staged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.38.233.74 (talk) 17:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Richard Whelan proved to his satisfaction it was not a fake as allegations since 1975 had alleged. Capa photographed The Falling Soldier during the battle at Cerro Muriano, on September 5, 1936. (After further studying the articles presented later I now believe he was mistaken. - added)
"Alas, the controversy raged on — with a superabundance of hot tempers and a dearth of objective analysis or research — until a fantastic breakthrough occurred in August 1996, when Rita Grosvenor, a British journalist based in Spain, wrote an article about a Spaniard, named Mario Brotóns Jordá, who had identified the Falling Soldier as Federico Borrell García and had confirmed in the Spanish government’s archives that Borrell had been killed in battle at Cerro Muriano on September 5, 1936." PBS has excerpted his arguments online http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/robert-capa-in-love-and-war/47/
Elemming (talk) 21:36, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
i miss some information on Capa's left wing attitudes. he deeply disliked capitalism and of course fascism. iirc he was a militant in his youth and he continued his work with some perspectives of a better & peaceful & socialist world. however interesting the angle-of-the-sun might be, we could do greater justice to the man in remembering his dreams and what he lived for.
Sinzov 07:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
It says that Capa was armed with just cameras during the D-Day invasion. If he was in the first wave, wouldn't he be supplied with at least a pistol? It seems hard to believe because of the danger and possibility of combat he was in.--Exander 07:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm watching a documentary on TV right now - they say he was actually born in Paris, France, but grew up in Budapest, Hungary.
According to his brother, Cornell Capa, "Endre Erno Friedmann was born on October 22, 1913 in Budapest." Also, the most recent bio of Capa, "Blood and Champagne," states that Capa was born Endre Friedmann in Budapest, Hungary, in 1913. See also, "The Great Escape: Nine Jews Who Fled Hitler and Changed the World." Same date and place of birth.
Capa did eventually live in Paris, but as an adult. What is the documentary which gave his birthplace as Paris?
The documentary, "The Mexican Suitcase" indicated that he was born in Hungary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizconno (talk • contribs) 07:24, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
The book "The Great Escape: Nine Jews Who Fled Hitler and Changed the World." by Kati Marton has information regarding Capa's birth, time in Paris, and relationships with Gerda Pohorylle and Ingrid Bergman. Maybe someone with the book in hand can add the references? I would do it, but I do not have have a copy of the book at present.--Ggeller (talk) 20:08, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
I think it should be mentioned that Capa worked together with the famous writer John Steinbeck. They went to USSR in 1947 and Capa took the photographs for the book A Russian Journal.
An editor removed the trivia; I don't disagree, but it may be that some of it can be worked into a longer more detailed article at some point. So I'm listing here for easier finding:
It seems to me the paragraph added by Desertfax is a great deal of unreferenced detail, possibly OR, about one photograph, not even the man being discussed. The header "Spanish Civil War" is dominated by a complex analysis of a single, albeit significant, photograph. Any objection to my removing it, or greatly abbreviating it. It could be copied to the talk for incorporation elsewhere if appropriate? GoodnightmushTalk 01:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Beware the name is desertfax / One Wikipedia heading on this article says : "..detailed guide to articles on the history of photography on Wikipedia.." Sometimes details require quantitative research since a problem is not simpler than its difficulty is. 84.80.66.78 (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC) desertfax Nov 07 .
The "tradition" that it was Cerro Muriano is a case of invented traditon, as shown by the more recent "tradition", that is was taken near Espejo. So it also was not Garcia and, as no fighting took place at Espejo, when Capa was there, it is a fake - good intentions or not.--Radh (talk) 07:55, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Jeffpw edited the caption of Death of a loyalist soldier to Loyalist Militiaman at the Moment of Death. In his edit summary, Jeffpw said that his change was made to be the "actual title of photograph." Without any documentation of this change, I find the new title to be cumbersome and not as accurate. A quick Google search of the new title finds 186 references. However, a check of the title "Death of a loyalist soldier" find 1,130 references. On this basis, I reverted the change and suggest that it be discussed here. To add to the discussions, I would also point editors to the NY Times article of today that replicated the photo in question. The Times caption?: "The Falling Soldier," a title that garners some 1,390 Google hits. TheMindsEye (talk) 01:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Do we know who laid the mine which accounted for his death? Drutt (talk) 18:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I have read conflicting articles from different sources. Several saying he went in with the first assault wave and several saying the second. We need to clarify wich stage he went on to the beach with and correct the article. 69.18.107.112 (talk) 05:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, that depends on whether Capa was mistaken/lied about another point. He claims to have landed with E Company, 2nd Battalion Landing Team, 16th Infantry Regiment, 1st Division, on beach sector Easy Red. If this is true, he would have been scheduled to land in one of the first four increments of units to hit the beach between H-5 and H+8 minutes. These increments included (per the plan) 96 tanks, 16 teams from the Special Engineer Task Force and eight infantry assault companies. These units are informally described as the First Wave in the Army's official history.
H-Hour was 0630 hours on Omaha. Low tide at that beach was at 0525 hours. And therein lies the problem.
At 0630 hours (H-Hour) the beach obstacles were not yet covered by the rising tide - which was a key factor in planning, so that the 16 Engineer teams (arriving H+3 to +8)could access and blow the obstacles. Now, here's (http://www.dptips-central.com/robert-capa.html) a page with some of Capa's photos. Note the third one of D Day. From the camera angle, you can see he's still up on the bow ramp of the landing craft (an odd place to stand erect while taking photos if actually under intense fire). See how the tide has already risen all the way through the obstacles? See how much further it has risen beyond the obstacles - so much so that it has covered the road wheels of Tank #11? That could not possibly have been taken at H-Hour.
Further, Capa claimed he landed on Beach Easy Red. In fact, of E Co.'s 6 boat sections, only one actually landed on Easy Red; the rest ended up on Fox Green. [Also on Easy Red from the first wave were 4 tanks - one disabled, two boat sections from E, 116th Inf Regt and one from F, 16th Regt. Not much for the largest beach sector on Omaha - almost 2000 yards. What should have landed on Easy Red were two full rifle companies - 12 boat sections - and 16 tanks.] Fire on Easy Red was among the lightest of the Omaha sectors, with only the F Co. boat section taking siginficant casualties from the boat to the shingle.
As an indication of how light the fire was on Easy Red, consider the Engineer plan. They were supposed to initially blow two gaps through the obstacles in each of 8 beach sectors (total, 16 gaps). In fact, only 6 gaps were initially blown, and fully 4 of them were on Easy Red, where only two had been planned. This was a lot of work accomplished, given that only one third the infantry and one fourth of the tanks made it there to cover the engineers. These facts so clearly contradict Capa's dramatic description of the hell he encountered on the beach that it is obvious something is not right. Given that by his own admission, he bugged out on the first landing craft he could catch, one is tempted to suspect he exaggerated the intensity of the fire to make his hasty exit seem more understandable. Even his own photos tend to support this. Half of his few surviving shots show his boat section moving fairly well through the last of the obstacles. Capa himself apparently went down and stayed down immediately with those who wouldn't advance beyond the cover offered by the obstacles - all the rest of his surviving shots are from the vantage point of behind an obstacle, pointing back towards the water. The emphasis on these few last photos has distorted completely what happened on Easy Red and leaves a decidedly incorrect impression of troops pinned down in the water.
Further, the lone boat section of E Co. 16th Regt that did land on Easy Red was none other than the famed boat section of Lt Robert Spalding - one of the first units to reach the top of the bluffs within about 30 minutes of H-Hour (about 0700 hrs). That boat section lost only 6 men getting to the bluff top. Clearly this couldn't have been the unit Capa landed with - as far more than six men are pictured huddled behind the obstacles - but it is the one he claims he landed with. Something is seriously wrong here.
I think there is no doubt Capa did not land with whom he claimed and. From the tide in his photos, we can conclude he was not in the first wave. From Coast Guard photos of the 16th Regt support BLT's landing (the 1st BLT, landed between 0740-0800) on the very same section of beach, it's clear the tide was further in than when Capa landed. So it's a good guess he landed about 0700 hours with the reserve company or HQs section of an assault BLT - which would have put him in the second 'wave.' Where he landed seems clear - Easy Red, a conclusion supported by tank #9 in Capa's photo and tank #11 in the Coast Guard photo. Both belonged to A Co., 741st Tank Bn and came in on adjacent LCTs. As fire on this sector was so light for the first wave, I again believe it supports a second wave conclusion. Fire was much greater on Easy Red when G Co. landed at about 0700 hours, and they lost most of their 63 casualties crossing to the shingle. Co G's experience seems much closer to that described by Capa, so I'd be comfortable to conclude he came in about the same time G did - which again puts him in the second 'wave.'
For further deatils, see The War Department's "Omaha Beachhead" (http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-A-Omaha/index.html) 67.181.72.173 (talk) 08:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
The references cited 11 frames, and pointed to Capa's own book "Slightly Out of Focus" on Page 151. On this page he references 8 saved frames, not 11. There has been some conjecture on this, as other sources have reported 10 or 11 frames. These sources could be added, and the section could be revised. Peter Howe writes on page 21 in "Shooting Under Fire" (ISBN 1579652158) 10 frames were saved, this is one source that could be used to update the total.
Sean Leslie (talk) 17:02, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Has some, but very few facts, interesting, but does not have 1 thing to say about the question of the fake-death-picture. Left-wingers obviously simply cannot believe, that they have been played for suckers to further Capa's career.--Radh (talk) 06:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Cillian Murphys character in Danny Boyle's Sunshine was named Robert Capa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.23.165 (talk) 02:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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In the section Spanish Civil War and Chinese resistance to Japan, second paragraph it is stated that In 1936, Capa became known across the globe for the "Falling Soldier" photo, and later Capa remained conspicuously unwilling to discuss The Falling Soldier, which was published shortly after Taro's death. The article about Gerda Taro states that she died on July 26th, 1937. It should probably say In 1937, Capa became known..., or was the picture really published in 1936 when Taro was still alive? --Fpainke (talk) 09:07, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Parts of this seems to be at odds with the Wikipedia entry on Gerda Taro, which goes into some detail about how "Robert Capa" was a fictional American character, invented to sell both of their photos. It also describes which "Capa"-photos she took, and which were Friedman's. Either the sources for this article on Friedman are not trustworthy, or the sources on Taro, as these two versions can't both be true. --Ronja R (talk) 02:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
It's funny, the only photo shown in this article on Robert Capa is NOT a photo by Robert Capa! Indeed, the picture of the suicide of Dr. Lisso and his family shown here was shot by J. Malan Heslop, from the United States Army Signal Corps. Read the caption of the photo here: http://worldwar2database.com/gallery/wwii1003
It's also funny that in the References of the photo it's written: "Author: United States Army Signal Corps", which is only half the truth, since the name of the photographer is not revealed in the References.
Other well known photos of this suicide scene were taken by Margaret Bourke-White, for LIFE Magazine, and by Lee Miller. The photographer David Edward Scherman, from LIFE Magazine, also took pictures of the scene, but they are not known. Robert Capa simply didn't photograph this scene. And, by the way, Capa didn't work for the U.S. Army Signal Corps!
So please somebody delete this picture! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JBarreto (talk • contribs) 18:22, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
The article has been incorrectly reverted to "first wave", now in fact in two places, as well as another Wikipedia article now ("the Magnificent Eleven) even though it has become even more clear in the eight years since this discussion that Capa was in the second wave. moreover the citations being used to state first wave are citations like decidedly non-expert blurbs in Time Magazine pieces just repeating Capa's incorrect claim. We know exactly what landing craft he was on, what bech he landed on and what time. It was second wave: http://www.nationalww2museum.org/learn/education/for-students/ww2-history/d-day-june-6-1944.html (just search text "Robert capa")Explainador (talk) 03:48, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Much of the D Day narrative is now reasonably questioned, and looks as dubious as the Spanish Civil War staging. The article probably needs to reflect that research, at the least to say there is doubt about the integrity of the D Day Narrative, specifically that Capa is known to have arrived later than implied, probably spent only 15-30 minutes ashore, and it is likely there were never any lost photographs, the 11 were the only photos taken ashore. See https://medium.com/exposure-magazine/alternate-history-robert-capa-on-d-day-2657f9af914?fbclid=IwAR1C7LWFdBBM1dDPuye2m0n1__VuB-nua_JXqZg5RrDtsh6FbmK1cV1HBP4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.27.206 (talk) 03:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Eisenhower wasn't President in 1947 as this article states. Tlazarewicz (talk) 03:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
This is clearly a point of view issue as it merely repeats marketing hype generated by LIFE and Capa. There were a good number of other photographers on Omaha Beach on D-Day, it's just that they were in the military.
Eighteen men of the 165th Signal Photo Company landed on Omaha Beach on D-Day, primarily from Detachments L, D and P (the last attached from the 290th Signal Photo Company). Det L covered the 16th Regimental Combat Team; Det P covered the 5th Engineer Special Brigade and Det L covered V Corps troops - all landed on Omaha Beach on D-Day. Most carried both still and motion picture cameras. In fact, the first photographer that landed on Omaha Beach on 6 June was in Detachment L, 165th Signal Photo Company. He landed roughly an hour before Capa did, though both were covering the 16th Regimental Combat Team. SGT Taylor, another member of Det L landed on Fox Green and several of his films are online. Though military policy did not permit military photographers to get byline credit, Taylor's raw products can be identified by his slate board at the beginning of his clips. Two other members of Det L landed 15 minutes after Capa on the same stretch of beach.
In addition, the company commander, CPT Herman Wall also landed that morning, about 2 hours after Capa and a bit farther west, and his (uncredited) photos are quite common. Wall had two distinctions. Using carrier pigeons, he dispatched film from the approach to the beach, which arrived in the UK before any other film. Later that morning, he was severely wounded on Omaha Beach, and was evacuated with his camera gear. After undergoing amputation of part of his leg, he arrived in Weymouth with the film he shot on the beach. His was the first film back to London from Omaha Beach, beating both Brandt (who never set foot ashore) and Capa. Source: Technical Services, US Army in WWII
SGT Peter Paris, a correspondent for Yank Magazine, was standing next to Wall when he was hit. Paris was killed. He was both a writer and photographer.
The claim that Capa was the only photographer on Omaha Beach was Life's marketing angle and referred only to civilian correspondent photographers. It was marketing hype to increase sales of Life's magazine, since all the D-Day photo coverage was turned over to a pool and available to all news services. It's a shame that the men of the 165th Signal Photo Company have been written out of history by the marketing machine of a weekly magazine. Elsewhere on D-Day, other members of the 165th jumped in with the airborne forces, landed at Point du Hoc with the Rangers and some were killed, wounded and captured. 73.235.236.46 (talk) 20:08, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
I see this article continues to repeat the lab accident story which claimed most of Capa's D-Day film was ruined during development. This omits mention of several revelations over the past couple of years. It has been conclusively proven that the so-called 'lab accident' story is false. Experiments have shown that the emulsion could not have melted as Morris claimed. Faced with this, Morris finally admitted that Capa may have actually taken only the few pictures we see in the 'Magnificent Eleven' during his short stay on the beach on D-Day. In trying to walk back the lab accident excuse that he had originated then pushed for seven decades, Morris then claimed he never actually saw the ruined film - a rather absurd claim from the bureau photo editor! The separate Wiki article on the Magnificent Eleven does note Morris' retraction (though it fails to go into detail on the debunking of the lab accident or Morris' attempts to resist the debunking). 73.235.236.46 (talk) 20:04, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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This article states that Elaine Justin with whom he had relationship during second half of WWII was married at time to actor John Justin. However the latter's wikipedia article appears to omit any reference to a marriage prior to 1946 and so far response in question I posted in its talk page indicates that three newspaper biographies also do not recognise Elaine as one of the three wives they maintain John Justin had. I have therefore placed a citation need against the phrase linking Elaine to this John.Cloptonson (talk) 13:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
The notes section reads "The authenticity of the photograph is today in doubt, with some questioning its location, the identity of its subject, and the discovery of staged photographs taken at the same time and place"
Two links are provided, one is dead. The PBS article suggests the photo is authentic and not staged. The notes imply it is believed to be staged. The authenticity is not in doubt for many people, so saying it is in doubt is not supported by the active source. We might consider rewording it to be more neutral so Wikipedia is not taking a side.
I realize this might seem nitpicky but claiming Robert Capa staged a photo like that should require something more than a broken link. 2603:8081:8700:687D:F82A:B79B:3287:DFF8 (talk) 18:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)