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Why is it not added? Asia is added but not Africa even with evidence that Africans were in the Americas you do not add it. WHY?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0394402456/104-3059786-9468717?v=glance&n=283155 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact
I know that the wheel was unknown in the Americas before the Europeans arrived but how about metal work? Did the pre-Colombians have bronze or iron? I would like some mention of this in the article please. SmokeyTheCat •TALK• 05:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
The third paragraph starts with the phrase "Pre-Columbian is used in the context of discussing the great indigenous civilizations of the Americas..." While I don't have any input one way or the other about how great any of these civilizations were or are, it just strikes me as a little too subjective a statement, seeming to make some kind of values judgments about the civilizations that I don't think should appear in a historical article. I think it should be removed, but preferred to bring it up here to let the decision be made by someone with more expertise. Shanedphillips (talk) 01:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
In a radio interview, the author of 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus claimed that in the pre-contact Americas, widespread famine was not known as it was in Europe (though that article mentions the collapse of the Maya due to exceeding the environmental carrying capacity). I assume this claim is explored in the book in more detail; it might be worth tracking down. It would be interesting to describe in the article for which cultures this was true, and why. This article by the same author explains that the introduction of maize to the Old World greatly reduced hunger there, and so it may be that cultures that farmed it in the New World had fewer famines than say, Europe. Though this medical article points out historic over-reliance on maize in the diet in some cases caused iron deficiency and anemia. -- Beland (talk) 14:45, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Why does this article sanitize pre-Columbian Americas of their non-Amerindian inhabitants and fossil records? There was no vacuum between the time of the Irish Papar in Iceland and the voyage of Columbus. Also, what about Easter Island? Those people were Polynesian, but is it not American? If this article rightly points out the differing genetics of Eskimos and other Arctic tribesmen from the vast majority, then what is the criterion delimiting Norse and Polynesian genetics found in pre-Columbian graves, or any continual inheritance, such as the people of Iceland, whose existence is at least partly American, for even Reykjavik is on the North American plate and the country's history is tied with Greenland and Vinland?
If someone wants to say that Whiteness disqualifies them from being American, that those are matters relating to Europe, well then, explain how this willful blindness helps deliver absolute context, or how Iceland, Greenland and Vinland somehow cease being American, if the Columbian colonies failed to change the whole of the Americas from also becoming part of Europe. Why do political matters affect this? Many of the Antilles are still colonies of Europe, so if they're too European to be covered in the Arctic, why not in the West Indies? Conversely, if the Antilles belong to pre-Columbian America, then so do the islands of the North Atlantic, or else the definition and scope is specious. All or nothing of the Americas must be pre-Columbian, not selective misnomers.
Eskimos continued living on both sides of the Bering Sea into the time Russia followed them from Siberia to Alaska, so they as Asians should qualify as no more or less pre-Columbian than Icelanders straddling Europe. The lack of explanation for or against what is American for pre-Columbian purposes, seems to conflate Irish monks and Norse settlers with subsequent colonies founded in the Renaissance and specifically because of successful Italian navigators employed by Western Europe. If so, then the attempt to racially categorize all Whites as the Other and irrelevant, despite cohabitation in the "New World", doesn't account for Polynesian and Siberian colonies known to have been present as unlike the rest. Perhaps this article should specify what kinds of people and places are the focus and why others aren't, but a change of title to "Pre-Columbian Latin America" could be helpful too.
Furthermore, if European colonies of all kinds and times are going to be Othered, it must be pointed out that the genetics section refers to Y-DNA haplogroup Q, the article of which mentions it's a brother to haplogroup R (and their father is P haplogroup), the most common post-Columbian haplogroup beginning with the Irish and Norse, but steadily ever since Columbus. Polynesians are not known to be especially high percentages of either Q or R haplogroups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.233.13 (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I had an edit reverted which mentioned small scale Norse settlement around 1000 CE with specific mention of the UNESCO world heritage site at L'Anse aux Meadows. I also mentioned historical references to America as Vinland, and the explorer Leif Erikson (all pre-Columbian era). The edit was reverted by user:Heironymous Rowe partly on the basis that the page was for pre-Columbian era cultures. I am somewhat stumped by this as the settlement predates Columbus by 500 years. Whilst it can always be assumed a people practices a culture, the site additionally has numerous cultural artifacts which demonstrate the way of life i.e. evidence of iron working, carpentry, boat repair etc. So the reason for the reversion obviously ignores the factual content of the edit. Can anyone shed some light on this? I find it difficult to believe that anyone researching pre-Columbian era America would want to omit obvious evidence for a people being present. Another reason given for the reversion was that it is categorisable as colonisation but that seems like far too strong a term given the current mainstream view of events. Any ideas on how to go forward with this? RickyBennison (talk) 18:14, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
I've noticed that some of the maps on here are inaccurate with regard to agriculture. They claim that most of North America was inhabited by hunter gatherers, when many of these regions had light farming. This is rather odd, given the state of current scholarship and public debate, especially with popular science books like 1491 published by Charles Mann. The labels on this map are incorrect, and align with social theories from 60 years ago that have been largely discarded. It is sort of bizarre to call the Puebloans "Desert Hunter Gatherers" when they have some of the oldest villages in North America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JackKausch (talk • contribs) 17:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Ref 4 seems to be unrelated. It’s an article about the possible origin of biological life as self-replicating RNA molecules. It doesn’t describe the study of historical pattern of DNA mutation. 2001:B07:A12:8F56:2C6F:91E3:C36E:FC1B (talk) 23:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Aside from a brief explanation in a picture description of a tribe surviving European contact, there is hardly anything in regards to the remaining independent holdouts of Native Americans outside of the modern borders of the United States (Chile, Argentina, inner jungles and highlands of South America), all we hear about are the Aztecs and Incas and how were they conquered by the Spanish, Spanish/Portuguese occupation, and later South American struggles for independence and modern political instability. Take this article for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas#Chile Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 04:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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