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There is another spacecraft, or at least spacecraft design, called the Phoenix: Phoenix C
Except for the first couple of paragraphs, the text of this article is verbatim that of the NASA press release on Phoenix: http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20030804a.html
Though the material is not copyrighted, is some sort of credit needed in the article? Cheers --Ajr 12:28, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've been working for the last 2 days on doing some spring cleaning to the site. Generally speaking, this article now has some more interesting information. I tried to use the information that was already here, combining it in a new way, to make it more readable, and providing information that others might find interesting. Still needing to be done are: Add information about the spacecraft's power/comunication/etc systems, adding info about another instrument or two, etc. Still, I at least think the changes are somewhat useful. Any comments? Tuvas 14:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Why does this mission require the use of rockets to lower the lander to the surface? I thought that airbags were the safest option, no failures to date while the last Mars lander to use rockets was never heard from again.
Also, it would be great if we could get larger versions of the instrumentation images.--Hooperbloob 15:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Some missions you just don't want to have bouncing around on Mars. Remember, this has a complete science lab, you don't want to have that bouncing around on Mars. As to larger versions of the instruments, well, be my guest, if you can find them. Tuvas 01:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
The probe on this mission is too heavy to use the inflated landing pad technology used on the spirit and opportunity rover missions. those two landings came dangerously close to maxing out the impact shielding from their their inflated landing bags--Maximilian77 00:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I think it's also because this is supposed to be a test flight for some of the technology that will be used when humans are sent to Mars. An airbag based landing isn't safe if there are people onboard. Itamblyn 11:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Problem with the boosters is that they will likely kill any signs of life where the rover lands. also pollute any samples. The lander is going to find rocket fuel in the mass spectroscopy samples. Elie 22:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
We still need to add a section here about the Engineering side of the Phoenix lander. I've noted that several copies in other languages have better versions than ours, perhaps we can learn from theirs. Tuvas 19:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I would also like some information about the landing site for this spacecraft. So far, I can't seem to find any information about where (specifically) this probe is scheduled to land--Maximilian77 00:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the older WikiNews box as it was causing the article presentation issues. The graphics were also modified in size to prevent whitespace issues. The old WikiNews box was
Thanks! --Mnemnoch 04:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
There alot of data missing, mainly engineering, for example look at Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter and Mars_Exploration_Rover, something needs to be done about this. --BerserkerBen 15:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Less then 1 year left until the Phoenix comes to Mars! It's been a while (30 years), since an immobile spacecraft has been there. I've expanded the goals section in the meantime, and look forward to adding the first photos from the martian arctic!--Planetary 21:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Just noticed, that the instrument images are low resoluton for "free use" because they're NASA images. However, NASA material is public domain, our only limit on resolution is server space. I'd replace them , but I've never replaced images before, and I'd just screw up probably. I also want to make sure there are no objections, say because of spacing or layout or something.--Planetary 01:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Just looked. They're already that size! :o Well, when new, larger, ones are added, they should be replaced.--Planetary 02:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know why NASA decided that Phoenix should be stationary and not a rover?
I started an infobox - but more technical data is needed. --Camptown 23:25, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Would be nice if an expert added a paragraph on why a mission isn't crafted to grab a few kg of Martian soil with a robot shovel and bring it back to Earth. We ran the Viking soil chemistry and now this - it'd seem that the best soil analysis would be if we just brought some home. Expensive, yeah, and more dangerous with bringing a lot of rocket fuel down with the lander; but someone at NASA has presumably done the cost-benefit analysis and I think the article is sort of begging for a summary of why not, since this mission's whole point is the tiny chemistry-lab-in-a-lunchbox we're sending up there. Thanks. Tempshill 03:53, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to this article, but it appears that this article has been changed to reflect some vulgar content. Can someone who frequents this page revert this to a pre-vandalized state? LEX LETHAL 19:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
"Like the mythological bird, the Phoenix spacecraft contains several previously built components." Michbich 08:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
It's a metaphor. I heard an interview with one of the people involved in this project, and they said that, since it was constructed using previously built components (some of which belonged to the failed Mars Polar Lander mission), they decided to call it Pheonix because it had "risen from the ashes" like the pheonix of mythology. Vsst 22:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
What is the purpose of this current spaceflight tag? When people go to an article they want to see the facts in the article, not a distracting box that warns them that the content might change. Every Wikipedia article is subject to change! Why do spaceflights need this warning over any other long term event? We can see it is a current spaceflight without the warning because the article tells us this in the first paragraph of content. Remy B 07:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
This tag had been changed to ((Current mars lander mission)). I changed it to ((Current spaceflight)) to match other space probes, including the Mars Exploration Rovers--Anthonares (talk) 15:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Can we maybe put the pictures into a gallery? the text on this article is getting out numbered by the amount of images, which is getting crammed everywhere. My guess is, more pictures are to come in the next year or so, and we should maybe clear things up and prepare for it? --Steven 18:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
It would be cool to get a link to the landing site on http://www.google.com/mars/ -Ravedave (talk) 06:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
This is now in place. CosineKitty (talk) 18:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I heard a radio commentator mention that the landing might be webcast. I'd like to add it to the article, but I can't find a proper source for where and when. —scarecroe (talk) 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there a correct place for short term items like upcoming press briefings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goatbar (talk • contribs) 18:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
The two hour spacecraft template seems like a waste of space because, by the time anyone either looks at the talk or article there is a good chance that it will be either on the surface or near it and that two hour template will need to replaced with either a 1 hour or landed template Rengaw01 (talk) 22:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I like the programm and I am courious on the results, although MPS built the RAC I am more interested in the TEGA, for the development of the Pyr-GC-MS for ExoMars.--Stone (talk) 23:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Question : Is this craft designed to look for life ? If its digging around in ice wouldn't that be one of its primary goals? - i just re-read the article ... it states it is looking for environments that could support life; are these 2 different things or not ? Boomshanka (talk) 23:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
This page is not dedicated to spreading of bollox, please refer to WP:Talkpages. --Harald Khan Ճ 08:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
It has landed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.42.70 (talk) 23:58, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
pictures are in, and they seem happy, so i guess it's all as planned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.5.225.170 (talk) 01:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
For anyone that's interested, a full image gallery can be found here: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=0&cID=7 I believe that all of those images are in the public domain. EnviroboyTalkCs 03:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
The University of Arizona has a complete set of images for the various parts of the scientific payload (MARDI, SSI, MET LIDAR, TEGA, etc.) at http://fawkes4.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=0&cID=2 . I'd include a few in the article, but I'll let the public-domain nazis handle it. Rwald (talk) 05:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Can we add somthink lile "Landed X days ago" as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox . Satble release: 61 days ago. ?--Ilhanli (talk) 11:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Live Simulcast of Landing in Second Life to take place at Spectre Island Science Museum
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Spectre%20Island/126/159/36
The external links has the above link, but I cannot understand its purpose. Firefox and Opera report an unsupported protocol. Is it an attempt to persuade people to sign up for second life? Does it show anything now or was it some broadcast event that no is longer accessible? -84user (talk) 16:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm curious... does the Phoenix DVD begin its cheerful message of friendship to alien archaeologists by warning them, "No part of this work may be reproduced in any form, by electronic, photostatic, microfilm, xerography, or any other means, or incorporated into any ..." Wnt (talk) 23:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
What's with the "ice wedges on Earth" picture? This picture has no relation with this article.
Imperial College London is providing silicon substrates to the microscopy wheel. There is also an investigator from the University of Bristol, listed as a science team member. However, neither NASA nor the University of Arizona are listing those universities as partners, nor listing UK as a partner country. Maybe their level of financial involvement doesn't grant them that "right". Aldo L (talk) 02:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Now that we're getting pretty pictures, I think the mission data should come first in the article, then spacecraft information, then the launch information, then the history. It was previously appropriate to have all this stuff at the top about the history, launch, and mission profile, because there wasn't anything else to see; but now the casual reader will want to know first about what the lander is seeing. I have to plead lack of time for not reorganizing it myself, sorry. Tempshill (talk) 18:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
In the infobox, I wanted to change "Decay" to "Landing" or "Soft Landing", but didn't know if this would irritate the spacecraft infobox enthusiasts. Can we change it? Tempshill (talk) 18:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I am not a rocket scientist either, but to me the term decay is generally used for a satellite whose orbit has gradually decayed and burned up in the atmosphere and/or crashed into the surface of what it is orbiting, not to describe a controlled landing. I am looking at the infobox template for spacecraft and I don't see anything for landing date. I made a suggestion to that effect, but I don't know much about templates or the ramifications of editing them. CosineKitty (talk) 01:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I've been staring at this screen too long. I swear the dark patterns in upper Image:PSP 008301 2480 cut a.jpg look like "москва" something... nevermind. Really, though, what does produce these patterns? They seem to run along edges or centers of the polygons in places but it's hard to follow the correlation. Wnt (talk) 00:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
The appears to be the Phoenix landing site [2] - 68.7, -126. Compare to [3] -Ravedave (talk) 04:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I just did a bit of work in this section, but it needs more attention. I did the best I could to untangle some bloated sentences, but I am doubtful about the accuracy of some of the credits for who provided the MET, who operates it, who built parts of it, etc. In fact, my edits may have made things worse in terms of factual accuracy, but I can't tell for sure because I was confused by the text as I found it. Another problem is that one of the web citations (http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/08/03/phoenix-lander.html) redirects to a generic front page that has nothing relevant to the Phoenix mission on it. I would rather see a "citation needed" tag here than one that doesn't work, but gives the veneer of a vetted fact. CosineKitty (talk) 16:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it's just me, but when I read this article, the number of times the word successful appears makes it start to sound a bit cheerleaderish. Don't get me wrong; I am really excited by the mission and happy it is going so well. But that is my personal point of view. I wonder if this should be toned down a bit. It makes sense to describe the landing as successful, because many missions have failed during a landing attempt. But maybe some of the other successfuls can be removed. Do others feel this way too? If it's only me, I'll back off. CosineKitty (talk) 20:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Water Discovered, but its too salty for life http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-05-29-voa53.cfm --Lemmey talk 02:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
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The first sentence uses the word 'useless' although, in the rest of the article, I did not find further discussion of this rating. Some additional rathional might be of interest to other readers. "Phoenix is a robotic spacecraft on a useless space exploration mission . . ." Jaynedye (talk) 14:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC) |
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