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On the AfD for Jill Kelley a concern has been raised that the title here is problematic. It does seem a little sensationalized, so in response to the concerns I'm bringing up a section for potential ways to retitle the article. Here are my suggestions:
I would second "2012 American military email investigations", which was proposed by another editor. If this article is going to stay, I think the material about Eric Cantor should be moved from Petraeus' bio to here since it is relevant to the political angle of the "scandal" but of little relevance to the former CIA Director's biography. I'm waiting for a rename here, however, as I am not keen to link to the current tabloidish title.--Brian Dell (talk) 19:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
There already is a precedent for an inclusive catch-all name for such an article, such as the Lewinsky scandal. IZAK (talk) 13:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
The double meaning of "affair" is kind of nice.... This is what Time chose for its cover. Thoughts? --MZMcBride (talk) 02:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Maybe Patraeus was outed by the NSA because he wouldn't promote soldiers that were under blackmail from the NSA? Maybe the NSA steered other blackmailed Washington leaders into making Patraeus the head of the CIA so they could better control the country? 71.239.119.18 (talk) 19:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I think the value added of this article relative to having much of it in the bios of the players involved would be chronology. We don't have enough specific dates to use a table or list format but the story could be told as a narrative, starting with Jill Kelley contacting Agent Shirtless.--Brian Dell (talk) 20:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
The New York Times published an interesting article regarding the violation of privacy of the individuals in question and its repercusions to the general population, I believe this topic should be included as it opens a pandora's box to even more privacy violations by the bureau. link here --Camilo Sánchez Talk to me 00:06, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be the Jill Kelley email scandal ? As the Allen/Kelley scandal is not Petraeus, while the Kelley/Broadwell scandal lead to the Petraeus/Broadwell scandal. -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 10:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
It involves "complex sex", eh? Tijfo098 (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Should we remove this section, at least for now? Nothing "is interesting to see" in Wikipedias voice. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Why is Jill Kelley's sister even listed? So she is a friend. In what way have the investigations involved her, let alone her husband. Even Jill Kelley's husband is only remotely involved to the extent that he is probably none to pleased with his wife. I propose at least removing the sections on the sister, unless somebody can provide a tangible link to the various investigations. --Bertrc (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Why is this guy being investigated? --Bertrc (talk) 20:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
This section currently contains a comment from a single international body: the Taliban. Do we really need it? This is an entirely domestic American story; the views of the Taliban and other non-Americans, amusing though they might be, are not exactly relevant. Robofish (talk) 23:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Does anybody know why DNI Clapper is called Petraeus' "nominal" superior? According to law, the CIA director reports to the DNI. Does a source say the DNI is a nominal superior? Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.169.89 (talk) 14:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Section 1 of the article is people involved in the affair.
Section 2 is reaction to the affair.
How about a section on the affair? Right now there is no narrative of how the affair unfolded in its initial days, etc. It's weird to see the key details spread across separate categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.117.19 (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I just stumbled over this page due to a link to exactly this article discussion page that a user left me on my user discussion page in another version. I just wanted to say hi and don't worry, we have the same problem (about renaming discussions and such). Actually, our problem is a tiny little bit different, since we're not actually exactly what you might call the nearest circle of people being necessarily interested in news agendas of this kind, meaning that the topic is being extremely loud in the recent time, so loud that we can hardly spot the real news (the ones interesting for us, locally) in pages like the German SPIEGEL.
Anyway, wiki (the German) loves the topic, also, very much (many SPIEGEL readers, obviously) and so the discussion about renaming was one that we had to have too, recently. Was very interesting (Including tsunamis and global flood doomsday and lots of funny buzzwords :-] ). --Typojägerin (talk) 17:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
I understand that the UCMJ provides criminal penalties for adultery, and Broadwell is in the military reserves, so have we heard of charges against her? It seems the topic of her penalties under UCMJ should be addressed. Thanks! --Lbeaumont (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
See DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 November 21#Jill Kelley for discussions connected to this article relating to Jill Kelley. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 02:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natalie Khawam for an AfD about the related Natalie Khawam article. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 02:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the speculation section because it consisted of:
If you want to restore that section, please find better sources and stick to what the sources say. This article is talking about living people so we can't just drop in whatever ass pull ideas are found on the internet. Jehochman Talk 12:01, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I've written an article about the FBI's file on the investigation and posted a copy of the released file. You can find them at https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/08/26/everything-fbi-will-let-know-petraeus-investigation/ and https://archive.org/details/DavidHowellPetraeus. Since I wrote the article, it doesn't feel right for me to add it to the Wikipedia article but it's still a secondary source with cited primary sources and I believe it's the first to cover the FBI file. TheMikeBest (talk) 22:03, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
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Seems to me it could be the most important and interesting element of this episode, to know who gained access to their email and who exposed the contents. But I'm left not knowing, and wondering whether the answers to those questions are known either publicly or by any agency. I'd like to know even just whether any agency has said they will forever be on the lookout for who did it--because it would be comforting. Or if no such thing has been said, what else was said, to address the curiosity and concerns this raises regarding national security (are we sitting ducks, do we really know who all are adversaries are and what they want, etc). The persistence of important unaswered questions deserve acknowledgment, even if a purely speculative answer doesn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.29.192 (talk) 03:38, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Are articles like this supposed to be structured this way? It's not very easy to understand what the actual scandal is when the information is spread between a haphazard list of events and a dozen mini-biographies. This article would greatly benefit from a consolidated normal paragraph-style explanation of background, the discovery of the scandal, the actual charges, and the aftermath. The way it's currently presented, there's no through-line whatsoever. 73.138.3.167 (talk) 07:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC)