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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 07:03, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
PLOS ONE → PLOS One – PLOS is an acronym (for Public Library of Science), "One" is not (PLOS One is simply PLOS's flagship interdisciplinary journal). Putting it in SCREAMING ALL-CAPS is just mimicry of marketing logo stylization, and is against WP:NCCAPS, MOS:TM, MOS:CAPS, and MOS:TITLES, and (behind all of these) WP:NPOV policy. If we don't permit SONY for Sony, this has to change, too. There's no cause to use PLoS One to match one of their former logos; it's no longer a common rendering in sources, and PLOS no longer uses it. We don't have any explicit rule about casing of an o for a lower-case of in the original name, and we generally follow how others treat an acronym, which does appear to be "PLOS" for the most part. By comparison, the [US] Department of Justice is traditionally given as "DoJ", though "DOJ" isn't unknown, and The Chicago Manual of Style's own editors abbreviate it CMOS, and everyone deals with it just fine. On PLOS One, book [1] and news [2] sources and the like are inconsistent; books favor PLOS One or PLoS One (many pre-date the rebranding to "PLOS"), while many newspapers may mimic PLOS ONE style (due to the nature of what they are, they favor the idea that a publication's logo should be mimicked, and you'll find them doing this a lot, e.g. giving song titles in "marketing caps" like "Do It Like A Dude"), while others use PLOS One, or PLoS One, and you can find weird outliers that make no sense, like Plos ONE. This is the kind of case where WP's own house style rules have to be employed, and imposed on lack of consistency "out there". — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 00:09, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
PS: See also AoB Plants, a similar situation and correctly named per WP style and naming guidelines. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 00:27, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
I wanted to include some notes here for a few of the sources used in this section.
Self-published sources: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/comment?id=10.1371/annotation/2a4269d4-90ab-4f26-bf00-1348cc787ca8 - This is a comment on the original article, left by the PLOS One staff. It was the only announcement of their review that they made, unfortunately. https://4thwavenow.com/2016/07/02/rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-new-study-recruiting-parents/ - Used only as a source on itself https://medium.com/@juliaserano/everything-you-need-to-know-about-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-1940b8afdeba - While self-published, Serano is a subject matter expert with numerous publications on the subject, so she counts as credible on this.
https://quillette.com/2018/08/31/as-a-former-dean-of-harvard-medical-school-i-question-browns-failure-to-defend-lisa-littman/ - There's no consensus on Wikipedia if Quillette is reasonable (WP:RSP) and I would avoid using it, but Jeffrey Flier is definitely a subject matter expert.
Double-cited source: https://news.brown.edu/articles/2019/03/gender Brown decided to host all the statements on one page. I cited two of them, using the same URL but appropriate titles for each. I'm not sure what best practice is here. Safrolic (talk) 10:01, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
The citation of Medium (website) should be deleted. As Safrolic (talk · contribs) noted, it is a self-published source. It is also specifically red-flagged as not reliable in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Medium. The SPS exception for an established subject matter expert doesn't apply to a "writer, spoken-word performer, trans–bi activist, and biologist" with a Ph.D. in biochemistry and molecular biophysics (per Julia Serano's bio), because WP:EXPERTSOURCE requires "an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications" (emphasis in original). Serano's third-party publications may qualify her as a subject matter expert in the field of transgender activism; that is, as a reliable source for facts in her writings about transgender activism, but not as a reliable source for claims of fact (i.e., advocacy) in her works of transgender activism. The cited reference isn't part of Serano's self-published scholarship; it is part of her self-published advocacy work, written in a non-scholarly voice.
More importantly, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Medium states: "Medium should never be used as a secondary source for living persons", and WP:SPS emphasizes "Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer." That's not limited to WP:BLP articles – never means never, and it applies everywhere. Serano's self-published post on Medium is a source about a living person. The SPS is a non-scholarly advocacy piece about ROGD that specifically personalizes the subject of its advocacy, calling Littman out by name and making contentious claims of fact about Littman. It should not be cited in an article about PLOS One. Lwarrenwiki (talk) 14:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
"The study was criticized by transgender activists like Julia Serano and medical professionals like developmental and clinical psychologist Diane Ehrensaft, as being politicized and having self-selected samples, as well as lacking clinical data or responses from the adolescents themselves."
The study was criticized by transgender activists like Julia Serano ... as being politicized and having self-selected samples, as well as lacking clinical data or responses from the adolescents themselves.?"
ROGD provides political cover for those who wish to rollback trans rights and healthcare."); and that Serano criticises the sampling and the lack of responses from the children themselves ("
What’s even more troubling is how this sample set of parents was selected: Recruitment information with a link to the survey was placed on three websites where parents and professionals had been observed to describe rapid onset of gender dysphoria").
"Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications". Our article text in question does not mention Littman, so all the stuff about BLP is a completely irrelevant smokescreen.
an American writer, spoken-word performer, trans–bi activist, and biologist. She is known for her transfeminist books Whipping Girl, Excluded, and Outspoken. She has also been featured in queer, feminist, and pop-culture magazines, and she has given many talks at universities and conferences." It certainly looks like it to me, especially as her article adds "
Serano earned her Ph.D. in biochemistry and molecular biophysics from Columbia University. She researched genetics and developmental and evolutionary biology at the University of California, Berkeley for seventeen years." What does somebody have to do to be recognised as a "published expert" in the field of developmental and evolutionary biology? Particularly in the social aspects of those areas relating to transgenderism, as discussed in each of her three books.
Since the Rapid onset gender dysphoria controversy has its own article, does it really make sense to spend four paragraphs on it here, or should we try to condense it and keep most of the content in the main article? Keeping as much as possible in one place, besides reducing redundancy, would also reduce the number of places for the contentious topic to be debated at (cf. the edit history and the sections above this one). -sche (talk) 20:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps worth mentioning in this article is PLOS ONE's work regarding the LPI?
RE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Planet_Index#Criticism
"A 2017 investigation of the index by members of the ZSL team published in PLOS One found higher declines than had been estimated, and indications that in areas where less data is available, species might be declining more quickly."
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169156
Jeffrey Beall described PLOS One as a "scientific spammer" which "esembles a lonely and un-selective digital repository more than a scholarly publication. " [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenji1987 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
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To editor Kenji1987: Wikipedia articles are written on the basis of reliable secondary sources. One of the source types we are not allowed to use is self-published blogs. Blogs which are highly controversial and not supported by a reliable institution are especially forbidden. If you think this blog is an exception, I challenge you to get support at WP:RSN. We also have a policy that material in an article should have sufficient weight. For a journal that handles thousands of submissions to make an occasional mistake is not interesting; on the contrary it would be a miracle if it never happened. Yet the evidence that this mistake even happened is described by the blogger himself as a "spam mail"; in other words, hardly any evidence at all. Your insertion is damaging to the quality of the article and a violation of policy. My honest opinion as an administrator is that your text would have zero chance of approval if it went to a policy noticeboard. Zerotalk 12:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
I added authors-pays to the lead but it is swiftly removed. I intend to place it back, but give people a chance to give counter-arguments. This is not an issue of NPOV as the author has to pay (and not even a little bit). Kenji1987 (talk) 00:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
PLOS used to be an acronym for "Public Library of Science", but they did a rebrand and now the letters are not supposed to mean anything and PLOS is supposed to be just a made up word.
The name of PLOS ONE used to be "PLoS One" with "One" meaning something like their primary or most important journal. Now the name is ONE, where "one" is not an acronym and again is just a name that does not mean anything in particular.
I cannot find sources talking about the name change but the journal calls itself PLOS ONE, and the name is no longer PLOS One. The Wikipedia article currently describes the name as PLOS One stylized as PLOS ONE, which is not correct.
Here is example self-published material with examples of name use. I cannot find an actual branding guide. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/journal-information
I am mentioning all this now to document discussion. Typically Wikipedia would not do the rename without a branding guide or publicity about a name change, and I can find no such documentation. I think it is worth getting this name right because Wikipedia cites this journal a lot. Getting data is not easy, but this might be the most cited source in Wikipedia. Bluerasberry (talk) 15:45, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
For years this journal advertised having an accelerated peer review process and even promoted it as something that differentiated them from other traditional peer-reviewed journals. This should be mentioned under the publication concept. It was something they were criticized for because their time to acceptance and time to publication is not signficantly faster than most other journals. Instantwatym (talk) 14:14, 3 March 2024 (UTC)