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@Johnmars3: You changed "A local census carried out in 2020, found 2,066 inhabitants in 831 households." to "A local census carried out in 2021, found 2,377 inhabitants." But the only source cited for this is: "Orania Sensus 2019" (PDF). Orania.co.za. Retrieved 10 February 2022. I do not see how a 2019 local census supports either set of data.-- Toddy1 (talk) 03:50, 9 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Their last census was in 2021 which found 2377 residents. I just changed it back to 2020's numbers for now until I can get a link to the new census document. Johnmars3 (talk) 00:25, 10 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of census documents:

• "Orania Sensus 2019" (PDF). Orania.co.za. September 2020.
• "Orania Sensus 2020" (PDF). Orania.co.za. September 2021.

-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I found video evidence for the 2021 census results, which came out to the 2377 residents you spoke of. In a YouTube video by the organization AfriForum about Orania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV_-0TWtQl4 at the 8:22 marking of the video. The information is given by The Head of Planning and Development of the Orania town council, Kobus Pretorius. Jan200203 (talk) 20:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@SONORAMA: The claim you've removed is supported by a reliable source: the Guardian. Also, its one of the only mentions in the lead at the moment of the key fact that this town is not generally open to black folks. There is no reason to doubt that, given how many sources describe this town as for whites only. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 17:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll add that the Gaurdian merely states that black folks fear they'll be met with violence, not that they have. As the American phenomena of Sundown towns shows, intimidation alone is enough to keep towns all-white. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 17:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello User:CaptainEek. The quote in question is: "Although Orania, in accordance with South Africa's constitution, has no formal law banning black visitors, in practice only Afrikaner residents are permitted; black people nearby fear they will be met with violence if they were to visit." My italics added. The text confuses visitors (of which there are lots of examples of non-whites visiting Orania) with residents (Orania currently has no non-white residents). I'd suggest making it clear that people of all races can and do visit Orania, but at present only white Afrikaners live there. I further suggest that this kind of down-in-the-weeds about outsiders perceptions of being met with violence versus the reality that they aren't might best be placed in the section on external reception, rather than in the lead. For that matter, there is simply no indication that Orania uses intimidation to keep people out; to the contrary, they seem eager to welcome visitors, although residency is restricted to Afrikaners who share their values. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SONORAMA (talk • contribs) 19:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Having just sat down and reworked the lead, I'm fine with leaving that bit out now. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The fact that English-speaking whites aren't allowed to live in Orania either is probably how they get away with their exclusive policies without being considered "racist." TOttenville8 (talk) 17:00, 24 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

... to Orania, South Africa? TOttenville8 (talk) 16:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That will not be necessary. There is no other known towns or cities in the world named 'Orania'. - Hu753 (talk) 01:18, 25 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes. since it’s not recognized as it’s own nation by any other nation, it seems like political commitments would cause one to oppose this 2600:1700:3041:2FC0:7DE6:83FD:40F1:E166 (talk) 03:21, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, it'd be unnecessary disambiguation. We don't put Child Okeford, United Kingdom or Cuiabá, Brazil - if people are searching for Orania, they will only mean the South African settlement as there is no other Orania. Couruu (talk) 16:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]