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In the opening paragraph, there is a phrase that says, "less than 1,000 million years old". Is this correct? The actual article for the star cluster we are speaking of says it is between 75-150 million years old. 1,000 million seems to be quite far from that.Leviathanlover (talk) 17:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
-- Its all make believe bro 121.45.254.70 (talk) 04:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no way that life could evolve from basic chemicals on a planet that is no more than 150 million years old. Whether there are tall, blond aliens, I don't know, but they certainly didn't originate in the Pleiades cluster.77Mike77 (talk) 18:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I do not see the specific information mentioned at the link given. DGG 01:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
...and tell him/her/it to write up things about George Adamski and other such glaringly-absent topics in this article. Totnesmartin 17:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Totnesmartin 22:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
RE the last item on your list. It's probably worth including some cites about how the how Americans and Europeans describe encounters with Nordic Alien very differently. In the US they are mostly described as being involved with Greys (either their slaves or allies) and as sexually violating abductees (either forcing them to mate with them, or stealing sperm samples etc for hybrid experiments) while in Europe they are usually described as being knowledge bringers who are concerned that we will blow ourselves up or pollute our world, and as wanting contactees to spread messages of unity etc. - perfectblue 16:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm deleting part of the section under the title "In Religion" because Theosophy does not talk about extraterrestrial beings nor encourages belief in them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.23.63.67 (talk) 20:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Both sites are registered personally to Michael Salla (via a P.O. box in Hawaii). Based on the site information (http://www.galacticdiplomacy.com/about.htm and http://exopolitics.org/about.htm) they exist to promote the existence of ETs and to sell services or raise money to enable others to contact ETs. The sites are self published, have no official affiliations and cannot be considered a reliable source, in any way independent or of academic interest. The sites fail WP:RS as a reference and WP:ELNO as a link. The sites might only be suitable for an article on Michael Salla or his company, the "Exopolitics Institute" based on the guidance of WP:SELFPUB.—Ash (talk) 14:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia poses a real dilemma in respect of this subject. The single most important fact about the matter of UFOlogy and of "aliens" is that none of it can be verified. As a young boy I sat on my Grandfathers knee, and he told me about the "others" he had seen from observation balloons in WW1. I thought him mad until the age of 19 when i saw what our French cousins call an "Ovni" on the south coast of England. Fortunately I was one of several persons to see it. Discussing it subsequently and many years later brought a visit from a "Nordic" man. I confirm the following:
They are indeed human, but not of any type I had ever before come face to face with. The physique is powerful, the neck short and strong and shoulders broad. The head is of a robust size with a very large cranium and high forehead. The eyes are closer together than the average Caucasian and very vivid blue. The hair is quite course and yellowish blond with a tendency to be vertical. He was pleasant but very dominant. He did not need to speak. The experience was most interesting. I do not think we have anything to fear from them save our own misgivings. I conclude having experienced what he was able to do that his people would have no difficulty doing pretty much anything they want, but here we all are alive and well in 2010. I feel the matter requires recognition only, research is pointless since it would appear that we know what they want us to know of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Contactee80s (talk • contribs) 21:17, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Would the famous abduction claim of Travis Walton be fit to include? He described being first surrounded by a group of diminutive "grey" type beings, but when he resisted they hastily retreated and were replaced by a much less frightening trio of attractive, more human-like aliens (note that the "nordics" were absent from Hollywood's re-imagining of his case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.26.248 (talk) 16:32, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
I've added and reverted changes to the section on Edward Bulwer-Lytton's novel The Coming Race because it provides important links to the historical roots of Pleiadean mythology in Victorian science fiction. Although the terminology has changed, the concept of a super-human master race provides an important historical background to beliefs about Pleiadeans. Bulwer-Lytton suggests that the Vril-ya were descended from Aryans and extremely powerful due to their use of Vril, which itself figures prominently in narratives about Nazi technology and UFOs. While Bulwer-Lytton locates the Vril-ya within a hollow Earth instead of describing them as extraterrestrials, the influence of his work on narratives about Pleiadeans is clear. Hoopes (talk) 15:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, is this wikipedia or uncyclopedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.72.110.11 (talk) 14:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Appreciate the work done to fix the article thus far. I'd be cautious about mixing the independent academic view with views of fringe promoters like Jenny Randles and Jerome Clarke. The other sources look terrific. - LuckyLouie (talk) 01:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Some suspect that many of the real UFO's were secret aircraft made on Earth and flown by humans. If so, 'Nordic aliens' are merely white USA human crew, plus official disinformation. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:22, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Reading through this page, it does seem to be biased. The wording is structured in such a way that it seems to describe a rare being more than a form of extraterrestrial reported by Ufologists. There is also arguably no counter-arguments listed, but I would assume they exist, since sightings have been claimed by multiple people.
I'd imagine that some scientist somewhere would have pointed out how flimsy the claims are. These are reported to be humanoid, and resemble those of Nordic descent, except taller and more muscular. There is no evidence provided beyond pure anecdotal evidence. These reported "extraterrestrials" could simply be rather tall men of Nordic descent who were seen by foreigners with a strong belief in alien visitations, and then misinterpreted.
Claims to have seen these creatures in space ships is even more flimsy than claims to have seen "grays" since these creatures are even more human-like. This could simply be explained as secret military aircraft, or even simply a civilian drone, and again, a witness who strongly believes that aliens visit Earth interpreted what they saw as aliens, and not terrestrial.
In a quick search for an objective analysis from a reputable source, I found nothing, however RationalWiki has them listed as "Pleiadians" and said this of them:
The actual Pleiades is an open star cluster, about 400 light-years from Earth. It consists of 7 stars that are visible to the naked eye and a bunch that are too dim to see without a telescope.
The cluster is very young, no more than 150 million years old. Any planets orbiting the stars of this cluster would also be equally young. In fact, when the Earth was 150 million years old, it was still in the Hadean eon, characterized by regular impacts from asteroids and comets. Its surface was largely molten due to the constant, relentless impacts. It would be another two billion years before oxygen first appeared in its atmosphere.
In other words, if space aliens did evolve on any of the (hypothetical) worlds in the Pleiades cluster, they'd be bacteria.
Obviously RationalWiki is even less trustworthy than Wikipedia is for accurate, scholarly information, but the claims made in the above quote are very falsifiable. Assuming that the numbers check out, this leaves three possibilities: 1. RationalWiki has constructed a "Straw Man" argument 2. The estimated age of said cluster is incorrect by billions of years, or 3. this race did not evolve in this system but instead are immigrants from elsewhere.
For these reasons, I believe this Wikipedia article to be heavily-biased. Trainguyrom (talk) 05:28, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
I have not found any actual discussion from reputable sources, but this article seems more formatted as "here are the facts about this race" rather than "This is a race of aliens whose existence has not been confirmed. Here is what witnesses say". Because the scientific consensus is that we have yet to discover evidence of extraterrestrial life, this article should reflect that, but still provide the existing information in such a tone, because the information exists. I think this page should be formatted more like the pages for Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster, or for a much closer comparison, the page on the Men in Black Trainguyrom (talk) 22:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
George Adamski described some of his human(oid) contacts in Flying Saucers Have Landed and Inside the Spaceships. Here is a summary of some of his descriptions:
Orthon, Firkon, and Kalna clearly look Nordic, while Ramu and Ilmuth don't.
Some other contactees who have descriptions of their contacts are:
Lpetrich (talk) 22:16, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Some more contactees with descriptions:
Some contactees wih no descriptions that I could find:
I'm thinking of adding quotes from George Adamski, Howard Menger, and Elizabeth Klarer, but I'd need better sources for the others. Lpetrich (talk) 23:03, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
When I first brought up this race to my mom, she quickly identified them with the Asgardians, though I doubt that's the case. Booger-mike (talk) 02:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The Marvel universe is an explicitly fictional universe. This article is about some purported nonfiction. Despite possible resemblances, it is something different. --Lpetrich (talk)
i am really curious about these type of alien me and my mom are studying about them and hope to find one before we die so hopes up if we see one and my mom thinks its weird of an 11 year old girl wants to study about them Cite error: There are <ref>
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The question is whether these purported encounters were the inspiration for the "alien" Asgardians in the Marvel universe. It's a question I am also curious about - might do some digging on the early writers for Thor and see if I can find any references. 97.102.30.205 (talk) 15:28, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Can we have a version that's safe for work, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.52.70.42 (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)