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I propose to move this article to Breakaway and non-aligned Scouting organisations to make it less cumbersome and more idiomatic English. Chris 10:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I changed the proposed new article name to Non-aligned Scouting and Scout-like organisations. --Jagz 01:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
See the following links:
--Jagz 04:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
In the subject section, what does the word "independent" mean? It is not clear to me. Also, where it says:
"Other independent multinational Scout organisations include: Confédération Européenne de Scoutisme, Union Internationale des Guides et Scouts d'Europe, and World Federation of Independent Scouts."
Should the word be "multinational" or supranational? --Jagz 05:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
In the subject section there is a sentence:
"Thus, some of the former Soviet allies and other countries still have their own youth movements that are not considered part of the Scouting movement; whereas some of them totally banned Scouting."
This sentence does not make sense to me. Does this mean that some of the countries banned Scouting and did not replace it with another youth movement? --Jagz 10:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Jergen commented that the Scouting controversy and conflict article could discuss the growth of non-aligned/independent Scouting organizations (mainly in Europe and the Americas). I assume that he meant the recent growth of them. I think that topic should be discussed in this article though. --Jagz 23:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I've attempted to define the terms non-aligned, breakaway, and Scout-like in the article introduction. --Jagz 17:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Pathfinder Scouts Association is an Association that has only a single group, and as such really isn't notable in its own right. Suggest that we merge it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayalld (talk • contribs) 14:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I looked at a preview of a merger with "List of non-aligned Scouting organizations" and it looked kind of awkward to me. --Jagz 16:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I realise that this is not something that can really be tackled on Wikipedia- but feel that the use of these terms ought to be noted. I assume that this refers to those organisations that are not members of the club of associations formed by the associations that are part of WoSM? Does that mean, maybe, that supermarkets that are not part of the Walmart Group should be considered non-mainstream supermarkets or break-away? DiverScout (talk) 21:55, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
This article has serious problems as it lacks verified substance and, IF it can't be improved, it should be deleted.
The article contents and terminology have always had problems noted in Talk page discussions (above) of January 2007 and December 2013. The problem is that the terminology only has relevance from the point of view (POV) of the WOSM and WAGGGS or their member organizations. That makes the whole article merely POV.
Much of the content about organizations would be better in other articles, mainly one on International Scouting Organizations indicating that they belong to particular international groupings or are not associated with any international body. This would avoid the need for any POV terminology.
Tags have been inserted to encourage verifiable content and references but the tags have been repeatedly reverted without any improvement to the article to justify removal of the tags. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.96.222 (talk) 09:12, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I have attempted a rewrite to clarify the perspective nature of the terminology. The organizations labelled as "non-aligned", "non-mainstream" or "breakaway" are not necessarily such or any more so than any organization in the Scout Movement but they are referred to as such by WOSM, WAGGGS and their member organizations. This article shouldn't state something as a fact simply because WOSM or someone says such. The strictly factual position is to clearly state that the terminology is that used by WOSM. I would have preferred that editors more closely associated with the creation of the article or previously responsible for its content had taken-up the task of rewriting it when challenged. References to uses of the terminology by WOSM, WAGGGS and member organizations would complete the task. I suggest that the List of non-aligned Scouting organizations page be merged with this article.1.129.96.183 (talk) 01:35, 29 October 2016 (UTC)