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On 19 September 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from National Intelligence Organization (Turkey) to National Intelligence Organization. The result of the discussion was moved. |
This looks copypasted from a government site. It needs to be wikified... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.130.166 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I just moved this page to conform to WP:UE, which states that English should be used for page names, unless there is a strong, documented usage of the native-language name in English-language sources. This is not the case in this instance, so the English translation should be used. Parsecboy (talk) 13:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
After improving this article we should make the list of the chiefs a separate article. Evren Güldoğan (talk) 11:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that National Intelligence Organization (Turkey) be renamed and moved to Milli İstihbarat Teşkilatı.
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The result of the move request was: REJECTED. Per reasons stated multiple times. Thanks for your contribution. Mogumogu40 (talk) 00:55, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
National Intelligence Organization (Turkey) → Milli İstihbarat Teşkilatı – Commonly reffered to as Milli İstihbarat Teşkilatı or MIT. See also other languages of this page, almost all are titled Milli İstihbarat Teşkilatı. Also as of 2014 there is a strong, documented usage of the native-language name in English-language sources. Relisted. BDD (talk) 19:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC) Mogumogu40 (talk) 19:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Blueboy is right. The first source has this content: "... Turkey's National Intelligence Organization (MİT) ...". They use MIT, but not Milli İstihbarat Teşkilatı. Such sources do not support this proposal. --B2C 19:41, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
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User:Konli17, how is an alfabetical list more clutter than a random overlapping grouping? It's random, because why use Nato? Why not divide the countries by Blackseafor, OIC or any other seemingly random Turkey's membership of international organizations? Also why divide by countries that were (partly) inside of Ottoman Empire? Why not Seljuk Empire? This grouping also has overlapping. You have countries both in Nato as (partly) former Ottoman empire. Like Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Hungary and Greece. The latter is for example mentioned twice in the article as "Greece: See NATO countries above."
On the other hand, alfabetical long lists are used all the time in Wiki. Such as Fiscal year. Also how is it clutter when it's easier to find, it's.. alfabetical! Unlike the current algorithm flowchart: Yes or no Nato? ⇒ If no ⇒ then proceed: Yes or no ottoman empire? ⇒ if no ⇒ then look under section "others".
So I suggest alfabetical listing or a neutral grouping such as grouping by continents. What do you think? -Randam (talk) 12:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Jstor shows the Turkish entity receives more attention in English-languages sources due to Turkey's geopolitical role. It thus has a long-term significance that the Papua New Guinean counterpart has yet to demonstrate. WP:RMCI provides little in the way of countering systemic bias in the very WP:RS Wikipedia bases its content on. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
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It's erroneous to !vote on page views statistics that don't include views of the DAB itself. In this case, the less-viewed Papua New Guinea page gets (over the last 90 days) over ten times as many hits as the DAB: 586:55, so at least 90% of its readership gets to the article without looking at the DAB at all (e.g. by some search mechanism, following an internal or external link, loading from a browser bookmark).
It's probably higher, since not everyone viewing the DAB will go on to view the Papua New Guinea page: if we assume that 100% of readers click through the DAB to one of the two articles, and in the same proportion as their page views (55:586:15254), then only 586⁄15254 × 55 = 2.111 readers every 90 days get to the National Intelligence Organization (Papua New Guinea) via the DAB. At the same time, 52.888 readers have been inconvenienced by having to navigate a DAB page to get to the Turkey article (but that's only 0.35% of its readership). I've excluded other inconveniences such that the Turkey page is around 64 Kb whereas the Papua New Guinea one is about 3.5 Kb, but since hatnotes appear at the very top of a page, and since all modern browsers load and render pages incrementally, an impatient or quickwitted user need not wait for the entire page to load before clicking the hatnote. |
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