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Ok, there's obviously been a lot of trolling/venting/genuine frustration regarding the use of images here. I've read through most of it quite thoroughly, but once it started repeating itself I just scanned, so forgive me if I'm repeating a suggestion that's already been discounted. I can see the arguments for keeping the pictures, and I think it's admirable that a lot of people are standing up for information over censorship, but at the same time, I can appreciate that viewing this page might make some Muslims uncomfortable and leave them feeling a need to atone for this by removing the images.
Disregarding why they'd be on this page in the first place, curiosity is only human, and I'd guess a lot of Muslims scroll down to the images half-not-believing that Wikipedia would dare show them. Like I said, I think the images are valid for the purposes of the article - they clarify the fact that depictions do exist, and have done across the ages. But nonetheless, they WILL continue to offend people.
So firstly, I'd just like to speak up in support of the banner warning against removing the images - it's a sensible way of politely informing people that Wikipedia is 'making a stand', and won't be bullied into censoring itself on religious grounds (minority, majority or otherwise). But here's my suggestion: Why not simply link to the pictures, without showing a thumbnail, and include both a descriptive caption and a warning along the lines of "The following links will take you to visual depictions of the Prophet Muhammad; if looking at such images is offensive to your faith, please do not click on them."? As it stands, Muslims who are offended have every right to be if they just happen to be reading up on why depictions of Muhammad are prohibited, or want references to one of the many controversies - they haven't asked to see pictures of Muhammad, and yet they're there, without any prior warning. I'm just saying, it's odd for a Wiki article to present controversial and potentially offensive/disturbing information without first giving the reader a 'heads up'.
I've also copied this entry to Talk:Depictions of Muhammad. 82.11.194.227 (talk) 19:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
If these pictures do lacerate Muslims' sentiments(I am talking of majority) why don't we just remove them?If Christians can tolerate that their prophet Jesus can be depicted as having an erection,they are religiously dead.The same cannot be applied to Muslims.Rather they respect all other prophets. And in these pictures the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)is depicted as a Persian having a somewhat conical beard which does not agree with his actual appearance.So why are we showing fake pictures, and if WP is not censored and we keep on showing these pictures,we are still hurting half of the world.If we remove these pictures (that is the question of just 3 pics,they won't cause us to suffocate and die)we can still show all the other billions of pictures,at least these should be removed.
we can still reach on a compromise(because by showing these pics you are favouring one group and neglecting the other)
Pictures of other Sahaba can still be shown but at least of our own prophet should be blocked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aics91 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC) Aics91 (talk) 17:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I definitely agree, if these pictures do not add any historical event, neither their credibilty can be confirmed and it add to nothing but to create a gap between the Muslims of the world and United States of America. Further to it where is the "Theory of Social Responsibility" and "Democratic theory" given by Western scholars on the resposible use of media.
Do remove the pictures as it hurts the sentiments of Muslims. For a peaceful world such a small act can act as a source of harmony between different society -- Ahmed Mohsin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.189.60 (talk) 19:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I have a suggestion, is there anyway we can make the pictures bigger? I don't think their very visiable when you navigate the page, and certainly when you click on them that's not doing any justice to the images either. Ghosthawk68 (talk) 15:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Please take off all the images depicting Muhammad (pbuh) OFF of Wikipedia. And please respect the religion and beliefs of others. Since Wiki is based on fact, the fact is that in Islam such images are not allowed. I am wondering what are the wiki administrators doing to stop this or they want to encourage this behavior from others. Again, please take these images off since they dont add any value to the article. All the necessary information about Muhammad (PBUH) can be given without drawing his pictures. Wikipedia moderations, administrators, I am waiting for a positive response from you all about this issue. Are 453,322 signatures enough to acknowledge the concern that the Muslims have? http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/removal-of-the-pics-of-muhammad-from-wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyepx (talk • contribs) 18:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Can you make another page for muslims, so they can redirect to it and not see the pictures? This would get rid of alot of tension, and violence from fundamentalist Muslims —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snkla2 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Muslims are forbidden to show pictures of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) so it would be appreciated if the atter of pictures was left to Muslim to dicide because it is after all their religion. --Coolsafe (talk) 00:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Kindly remove the so called pics of Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W).
Regards,
For All Muslims
S. H. Khan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.181.99.54 (talk) 16:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
You have only heard of 2 Muslims right now who have only but kindly asked to remove the pictures. The Muslim Ummah does not care whether wikipedia is censored or not. The Dutch printed a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad, that was within itself controversial because of content. but regardless we not only got the company to apologize but also the government. The Pope said derogatory comments and we made him apologize. If this leaks out to the known public, we muslims don't give a rats ass whether your laws permit you to put up these pictures. Eventually we will get them reversed through peaceful or forceful means. I rather you keep yourself on the safe side and not bring up a huge controversy and just remove that damn pics. Your information does not need the use of pictures that depict the prophet in anyway. So do the world a favor and take them off.
CapTa1n_Half —Preceding unsigned comment added by CapTa1n Half (talk • contribs) 11:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
CapTa1n Half: The civilized world does not cave to threats. Your language bears all the hallmarks of someone who has been brainwashed to a way of thinking that is bankrupt to its core. There are 3000 religions on this planet; yours is but one of them. Please realize that if you can't learn to get along with the 2,999 other religions, then you deserve little that civilized world has to offer you. Wikipedia is a depository of information for the English-speaking world. Its talk pages are a marketplace where ideas are exchanged. Thank you very much for giving us some insight into your type of mentality. Makes me shudder. Signed, with pleasure, 67.185.247.179 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.247.179 (talk) 16:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I completely disagree with the previous post on forceful removal of the pictures but as a Muslim and a long time member of Wikipedia, I would kindly request that those pictures be removed. They're posted on an encyclopaedic article about Islam but if Islam finds them offensive, it seems contradictory to keep them on there - it's almost like a false portrayal of the religion and Wikipedia's about accuracy so I don't believe there is a competent reason to keep them up there. Fatla00 (talk) 03:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
I ASSUMED WIKIPEDIA WAS AN ONLINE ENCYCLOPEDIA. However it clearly isn't an Encyclopedia as the information contained therein is inaccurate more over after it has been pointed out to the hosts that the Pictures of Muhammed peace be upon him are not an accurate image of him nor are they endorsed or recognised by any historian authority they are still allowed to stay up. This kind of misinformation should Certainly be corrected as a encyclopedias job is to inform, educate and introduce the reader to the chosen subject based on facts with sound sources. Indeed the credability of Wikipedia shall be severly diminished if it allows blatant inaccuracies to continue to go unmodified. Muhammed peace be upon him actually forbade anyone from making a portrait of him or of his companions as this was against teh fundamentals of Islam. On that basis how can u justify the images in this article?
In the section of Traditional Views sub headed European and Western Views there is a particular image of Muhammad(PBUH) suppposedly placing the Black stone. This picture has various factual errors as it was fabricated at about 1315 about 7 centuries after the prophet Muhammad(PBUH)'s life so therefore the author's depiction is incorrect. Moreover, the artist himself "Rashid al-Din" is from a Jewish denomination so therefore the image that he has fabricated is biased due to conflicts between Islam and Judaism. As well as the text under the picture tells the reader that this is a picture of Muhammad(PBUH) and does not make it clear that this is an fabrication by a Jewish artist that has much controversy. By allowing this picture to be displayed on Wikipedia, you are in effect twisting people's knowledge and beliefs on Islam. Please remove the unwanted image.
Regards,
A Barden
please remove the pics of prophet muhammed. it is true that we can change the settings of our browser but how can we muslims be in peace when we know that some muslims and even non muslims look at those pictures and study them accidentally or even on purpose when we know that pictures of living things are prohibited in islam? i beg you in the name of all muslims to remove those pictures because its an insult to our prophet ant our religion. please understand our feelings. no one would appreciate someone else insulting their religion. i know in this modern world pictures are common but no matter what religion is the same and we have the right to tell you what its like in islam. as you know there are stuff from non muslim biographies of prophet muhammed too and we feel its a must to remind you that in islam this is an insult. please please think about this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.84.130.48 (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I am a muslim. Don't remove anything Obviously you're not, otherwise you would not say "I am a muslim"
In Islam, depiction of ANY one of the prophets in the form of pictures and so forth is prohibited. What is your basis for not removing it? I'd like to amicably ask for the removal of the prophet's pictures. I find some of the pictures to be pretty insulting. I do believe that some of the pictures were posted not out of hatred and possibly simply due to the love of knowledge. But the priority would be not to offend people of different faith. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmihamid (talk • contribs) 09:28, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
These pictures are not provocative in any way, and do nothing to show bias or prejudice for or against Islam - they are but depictions of the subject of this article, a person who is also relevant to non-muslims. You talk about not offending people of different faiths - but I am in some way insulted by the fact that I, as an atheist, should not be allowed to se depictions of Muhammad. ElChrissos (talk) 19:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
What is your basis for not removing it. The basis is that Wikipedia is uncensored, and there is no obligation for this project to kowtow to the tenets of Islam or indeed of any other organisation, unless these tenets fall in line with common sense. But the priority would be not to offend people of different faith No. Wikipedia's role and foremost priority is to present factual information. It will not necessarily be presented in a way to make people of all religious, political or cultural backgrounds completely satisfied - it will be presented in an objective way, and without censorship. 80.225.140.64 (talk) 02:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Not everyone knows how to configure their computer to not see the images. I am suggesting you put a notification at the top, saying how to make it only text, or make a whole other article just for muslims - Snkla2 (talk) 22:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
The start of the article and the FAQ are fairly clear and so anyone posting requests to cull the images really is ignoring that advice and so they are trolling even if it sounds well meaning in tone. We don't have time to reply to every well-meaning person who can't be bothered to read the FAQ. By replying to them we are feeding the trolls which is not recommended - see WP:DNFTT. The best way to handle trolls - even well meaning ones - is to just delete what they say when we feel like doing that. That way no-one needs to reply to them and so no-one needs to waste time on people who can't read the talk page introduction text. Ttiotsw (talk) 17:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Dearest Wikipedians,
This may or may not be the correct location to talk about the issue I'm going to discuss and ask for the assistance but I followed this link from Jimmy Wales user info of Wikipedia for any complaints but still I do apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may cause. I truly agree and appreciate the level of promptness and correctness of the articles, Wikipedia maintains. But I've a suggestion regarding a semi locked article. Recently, I visited the article "Muhammad" (pbuh) and saw a controversial conversation in the 'Talk' about removal of the image Maome.jpg. Wikipedia admins are having a strong view point that only 'fundamental islamists or extremists' are against the removal of the image; the image depicts a better understanding of the article; the image has been moved to the bottom of the article as a favor and the admins suggest to configure browser to not to display the image, if the readers don't want. But in fact, that's totally not correct. Let me explain a bit about it. In Islam, there is no picture of Prophet Muhammad. Muslims do love valuer and respect Prophet Muhammad above all things utmost and any of the images of the Prophet exhibit a lack of respect regarding virtuousness and pureness of divine and devout faith. Thus these show disrespect and are discourteous of course!
Now about the image, I'm not sure on how and where it came from and why it was added to the article (there are not solid proofs to believe that it was from the scripture of Abu Rayhan Biruni as there are no images of the Prophet in the all history of Islam). Neither does it show any subtitles nor it has any sort of descriptive information printed by the calligrapher (which as per your article is Abu Rayhan Biruni) and so it is not required to be included in the article. No Muslim will create a picture not any image of the Prophet as this will hurt the Muslims' emotions. In real, I strongly believe that this picture is of one of several 'Sufis' or saints (check for Sufism at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi) that has been irrelevantly referred to the Prophet Muhammad. I've seen a lot of such pictures which describe saints preaching religion in a few calligraphic exhibitions. So, this image Maome.jpg should be in 'Sufi' article.
So, here by I request Wikipedia super moderators to please assist me in this regards by removing the image Maome.jpg from article entitled "Muhammad". In case if you strictly abide by your rules and you cannot remove the image (though I hope this is NOT impossible as the article is semi protected) then please remove the citation below the picture.
Hopefully, you'll assist.
Many Thanks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bashukhan (talk • contribs)
"Wikipedia is not censored" because users are given freehand and anyone can give suggestion based on good-faith. If that has been discussed extensively in your community being 'ad nauseam' please consider the points I mentioned in my earlier post. The discussion is useless as there are no images of Prophet Muhammad in the history of Islam! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bashukhan (talk • contribs) 20:55, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not censored, does that mean, it'll show no morale and respect to other materials? No, absolutely not, because it allows freely to edit the content or doesn't it? Locking the content without knowing the accuracy of the content is truly unfair. Wikipedia says it doesn't guarantee the correctness of article, then my question is, why it has admins wandering around?? I have read the archives and I fully understand that whats your view and what should I do. That's why I asked a Muslim admin to reply back! Aggressively you guys are saying "Wikipedia is not censored" and "it doesn't show any religion". Its not religion anymore when it comes to millions of people? All of the Muslims and the scholars are asking to remove the image because there is "NO" image of the Prophet in the Islamic History. Personally I think Wikipedia is being rude here? hun? I suggest admins to do a little research? If "Wikipedia is not censored" then please do me a favor and undo the lock on article because its unfair for all Muslims everywhere in the World.
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Two plus two always equals four, if in a article the output is shown as five then it needs to be fixed! Incorrect piece of information is always incorrect whether in whatever form or whatever style or whatever arguments it may have or haven't. Of course, non Muslims cannot be Muslims and they don't need to agree what Muslims say but this doesn't imply that wrong, incorrect, obsolete or abusing information to be shown or represented by arguments "Wikipedia is not censored". My position is unfair to those who don't believe and are against Islam. Wikipedia is not ruled by Islamic doctrine but it should show what is correct with common rules. The piece of information shown in the article is betraying and not correct and again no Muslim will want that be in the place where it is currently. Admins' aggressive view point is understandable as they have moved my post to bottom of the discussion queue. Please don't give it a 'religious color' and take it as common sense correction based on good-faith and fair bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.65.192.45 (talk) 08:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Thats a total propaganda based on erroneous and deceptive objects which always exist and try to mitigate true valuer. Please do a little research being outside of Wikipedia.org. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.65.192.45 (talk) 08:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Almost. You mean controversy. Depiction in art might have been centries ago but there is no true existance of presentation of Muhammad in form of images as the true concept of Islam doesn't allow that and bears it totally wrong (as per the recent research many of the images were from old Eurpeon testimonials and scriptures which are incorrect). The idea of imagination doesn't draw any graphic of Muhammad because HE has far beyond and more pureness and mightiness and thats the reason there has been 'no real' picture in the whole history of Islam. Muhammad's presention in form of graphic cannot be comapred to that of Prophet Jesus as Muhammad is all the 'central idea' of Islam. Please do let me know if you have any more questions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.65.192.45 (talk) 08:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
-- Please consider the request based on above reviews. I'm not a fundamentalist, neither extremist nor I wanted to protest. I'm just curious to resolve the issue in a positive and a fair manner basing on good-faith. Please do let me know if you have any further questions or objections. Thanks to all admins for replying and understanding.
That secular view is not correct either. Wikipedia has its own standard which might make people think and to look for and 'assume' all of "views" for the content (this is how it has been betraying). And do you know the views of the people, which they are hunting the content for? NO, you cannot! There are a LOT of other things to show 'a historical figure' in the article, the positive one; then why choose the abusing ones - the ones which are incorrect and doesn't depict the things exactly as they were in the history. If you want to give a secular view for the full flow of knowledge to the world thats totally fair and I appreciate your view; then write as much and clarify as much you want but at least please don't show images on this article. The images already exist on the article Depictions of Muhammad where it needs to remove the ones which are humiliating the religion and degrading the morales. From the responses of the archives and seeing the behavior of the people responding, I already know the dispute caused a lot of degradation and altercation both psychologically and morally to the Muslim community in all the world. Its not only the agitation but the obsoleteness of the images you're having in the articles and as per your Deletion policy the obsolete material needs removal! If someone makes unsolicited immoral or rude picture of anyone belonging to Wikipedia and places it in an article, I bet you guys will delete it because of having no good-faith and correctness. Please think again and research.
@ ~Amatulic
-Quran doesn't direct me to be offended; its your behavior the content and the rudeness which does that all and its not my choice.
-This is not an article about Islam then why I'm seeing the words "Islam" there in the article and the quotes exclusively referring to the ideas of Islam.
-My research is clear, in fact you don't know the obsoleteness of the images you're referring in the article.
@ Reso
"People looking for an exclusively Islamic view of Muhammad should not be looking here, as that is not our mandate. Resolute 15:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)" Wikia admin, yes, you're right. You need to write that too and mention all the details in the article that people shouldn't seek exclusive Islamic view in this article and this article has a seculiar view.
Seems you did see the history of this post and the points I brought to concern about the "Wikipedia is not censored" referring to your own terms are conditions. Yes asking the same questions doesn't yield the different answer but you DIDN'T answer my all of the QUESTIONS, I asked in the previous post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bashukhan (talk • contribs) 19:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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You're actually failing to comply. Here is an example. For instance, if someone makes unsolicited immoral or rude picture of anyone belonging to Wikipedia and places it in an article, can you make sure that you won't remove it as "Wikipedia is not censored" and of course it'll be to some extent 'secular' and unoffensive to not all of the readers? This is what I get your point of view about the content being "Censored" versus "Wikipedia is not censored" versus "Incorrect/Obsolete Content".
Yes, I said that I appreciate secular view for the full flow of knowledge but that its not summed up in the correct style because the images are obsolete. Do have any solid proofs of when the images were taken? Are they from the correct sources? The images are obsolete because they are what haven't been seen, used, reproduced and brought to public unless they've been put to Wikipedia.org. If any of such images would have actually existed then there would be a picture of Muhammad hanging on the wall in the house of the Muslim. These are obselte far from fact these are unfair.
The change in the caption I already noted earlier is, "The Sufis preaching Islam" and there should be a notice on the top of the article that it doesn't represent any of the Islamic values besides its just mixed up in the secular manner and the people seeking Islamic view in the article should not pertain the article to be correct up to pure Islamic concepts. 'Muhammad' being the central idea of Islam, I am fully aware of what arguments I'm making as all in the context of this discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bashukhan (talk • contribs) 19:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Disruptive? How?
I appreciated your logic, heard your viewpoint and I expect the same from Wikia admins. I talked about the good-faith, brought the important points forward and asked a few simple questions.
If thats my fault, please do reply back and I'll apologize. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bashukhan (talk • contribs) 20:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the hint ~Amatulić Yes, sure from now on I'll use the tildes. Sure, I'll proceed. Besides being old handy work the images have not been seen and used until Wikipedia revealed them all to us. And probably the sources where these have been taken are not accurate too. What sort of reliable sources does Wikipedia accepts? I can proceed, do more research and quote the well known scholars quotations, if you'll accept. But, on the other hand, I would like to know the about the correctness and reliability of the images and their current sources too which currently exist in the article. I'll start one by one. But for now, we all can see there is no 'in line' caption in any of such images saying 'Mohammad' name in Arabic/Farsi or same old scripting languages referring to what He might be doing in these pictures. I hope this makes more sense. Bashukhan (talk) 20:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Starting a new section to prevent the page from getting unwieldy.
It seems to me that the focus of the above argument is File:Maome.jpg. On that page, there are several sources in French described, none of which illuminate further information about this image. The source that would describe background information doesn't have a web link, unfortunately, so it must be looked up in a library:
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suggested) (help)For now I would assume good faith that the authors of that book are historians who can write authoritatively on the source and significance of this image, and that the caption shown in the article adequately represents what is described in that book. The real test is to look it up. Unfortunately, Google Books doesn't have it (although several other books reference it). It seems to be a widely cited source. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for starting the topic. I'll be soon getting busy and will be traveling. Please get a hold of and don't close the topic. I'll be back soon to discuss each depiction with in-depth analysis. Bashukhan (talk) 06:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I cannot find this discussion in the archives, so I'm copying it from history now. /X
Islam does not allow pictures or cartoon of Muhammad or any persons so remove it for make this article acceped to the Muslims. Azraf (talk) 17:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I was merely stating you lack of behaviour towards other editors. You have to be nice when talking to people otherwise you sound quite pompous. Ridiculous, really. I have nothing against the images, just the behaviour of a few editors. Use the archives to support your view Baseball Bugs - that is what they there for. A bit of politeness goes a long way. Also the original poster I have never really read in the Qu'ran where the images are prohibited. I have been trying to find out but it's just in Arab culture not to display the images of honourbale people. LOTRrules Talk Contribs 17:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe it says in the Qu'ran that images are forbidden... However in the authenticated Hadiths, Sahi Bukhari and Sahi Muslim, from which the current Islamic Law and Jurisprudence were derived from by ancient Islamic Theologians and Jurists prior to the closing of the gate of Ijtihad, do say that pictures are forbidden:
Narrated Abu Talha: The Prophet said, "Angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or there are pictures." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 833)
Narrated ‘Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) I bought a cushion having pictures on it. When Allah’s Apostle saw it, he stopped at the gate and did not enter. I noticed the signs of hatred (for that) on his face! I said, "O Allah’s Apostle! I turn to Allah and His Apostle in repentance! What sin have I committed?" He said, "What about this cushion?" I said, ‘I bought it for you to sit on and recline on." Allah’s Apostle said, "The makers of these pictures will be punished (severely) on the Day of Resurrection and it will be said to them, ‘Make alive what you have created.’" He added, "Angels do not enter a house in which there are pictures." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 844)
Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet entered upon me while there was a curtain having pictures (of animals) in the house. His face got red with anger, and then he got hold of the curtain and tore it into pieces. The Prophet said, "Such people as paint these pictures will receive the severest punishment on the Day of Resurrection." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 130)
"Ibn ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said: Those who paint pictures would be punished on the Day of Resurrection and it would be said to them: Breathe soul into what you have created. (Sahih Muslim vol.3 no.5268
From what I have found in my very quick and rudimentary google search, it doesn't really seem to specifically say that pictures are outright banned, but seeing how Muhammed reacted to images, it's no surprise that Islamic law evolved like it did and Muslims interpret the Image commands that way —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.234.79 (talk) 18:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Dear readers and authors,
I advocate the removal of the picture of Muhammad (sws) from this article. It against the teachings of the Islamic faith to produce paintings of human beings. This ruling is especially the case for Muhammad (sws) or any other Prophet of God. Muslims will find this painting offensive and innappropriate.
No doubt, some may question this proposal in the name of free speech or a right of liberty of some sort. These views are respected and should be upheld within the appropriate context. However, in the context of pictures of religous Islamic figures, they will always take a lesser importance to the law I have mentioned above. This is a standing held by Islamic Scholarship.
Therefore in repect of Muslims, Islam, and Muhammad himself (sws), I request the removal of this photo from the article. I am otherwise impressed by this article as an overview of The Prophet's (sws) life.
Thank you
3.1.09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.177.253 (talk) 22:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Dear sir.
We had noticed something strange in some articles of your encyclopedia like :
and exactly here :
the thing that we had noticed is a picture presenting the prophet of Islam "Muhammad"
we know that the picture don`t content anything that can insult to Muslims or the Islam directly , But in Islam is not allowed to
present a picture of Prophets even Prophets of Jews or Christians because this is a kind of religions inviolabilities
Pictures links :
Screenshot : http://www.layeredsoft.com/Screenshot.png
So we hope that you respect these inviolabilities and delete them and any related pictures
Best regards
Dr.Wahb Isak
41.224.239.51 (talk) 12:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)--41.224.239.51 (talk) 12:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.224.239.51 (talk) 12:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Samlam,
As a muslim I do not support the picture of Prophet Muhammad (peace upon him). For that matter any prophets picture. The reason is that we do not know what they looked like and since they are chosen by Allah (God) we must respect the prophets. All so, because the prophets would not like a picture to be a focal point of the religion- only the message. In Islam we do not pray in front of pictures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.32.59 (talk) 19:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I have read the whole discussion. The admins have a point that material cannot be removed based on religious issues and I am not asking that they be removed because my religion says so. But please consider this.
Muhammad(pbuh) was born in the year 570 and died in year 632 AD.
Observing that all the images of Muhammad(pbuh) shown on Wikipedia are works of art that were created at the earliest of 11th century that is 400 years after his death and considering that an average person cannot live for more than a hundred years, it is certain that none of the artists had themselves seen Muhammad(pbuh). So the page "Depictions of Muhammad" implies that it is simply an artists' impression and has got nothing to do with it being an accurate description of Muhammad(pbuh).
As for the page "Muhammad", the "Muhammad prohibits intercalary months during the Farewell Pilgrimage" image and the "Muhammad preaching" image do not clearly state that they an artists impression (although one can see that its a painting).
Since a half-told truth is as good as a lie, my only request is that, as according to Wikipedia standards, it should be stated very clearly that the works of art were created long after the demise of Muhammad(pbuh) and that the images are mere artists impressions and are not verified as being the actual images of Muhammad(pbuh) and thus are far from his true appearance as the artists had never seen Muhammad(pbuh) in their lifetimes.
I doubt that my Muslim brothers and sisters will be satisfied by this. But let me remind them that Muhammad(pbuh) himself faced insults and ridicule during his early days of spreading the message of Islam. But he never chose to talk back. Instead he tolerated it and had logical debates with the people. Only because of his sound reasoning and tolerant nature, people were attracted to his message and not because of any child like rant("remove the images because my religion says so") and is one of the reasons why Islam is the fastest growing religions in the world.
I hope my view is impartial to both and God forgive me if i said anything wrong...
203.76.170.198 (talk) 23:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)free-thinker 12th January 2009
As a Muslim, I find it troubling that so many people wish to use their religious beliefs to impose on the actions of others. Muslims have suffered from such impositions. We as Muslims are forbidden from displaying said images, we are not required to make it so the whole world does the same. If you as a Muslim are uncomfortable with displaying the pictures of Muhammad, then don't. But don't expect the world to follow the rules of a religion that they have not accepted. There is nothing in your faith that requires you do so, in fact many of the laws of Islam, plainly and clearly state that they are applicable only to those who have embraced the faith. You shouldn't use your faith to attempt to control the actions of others. Peace, Nableezy (talk) 07:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Dear all,
Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, and is not bound to any religion or organization. That good! .The solitary purpose of Wikipedia is to provide correct information, free of cost to everyone on earth.
But it never means that Wikipedia can provide wrong information! The pictures provided in the article can never be real, since the oldest of all pictures is about 4 century after the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)-(as mentioned in article). There can’t be a single person who has witnessed Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) would be alive at that time, so these pictures are all self made and imaginative.
Now if these pictures aren’t true and are fake how can they help in gaining the correct knowledge? Also suppose for a while that these pictures aren’t there, will it going to influence the article’s level of quality. As far as I think it will be improved, as there is no wrong information in this article now. Think as a common person, not as a non-Muslim or Muslim and will agree on this.
Please consider this, as it won’t harm anyone if you remove the images but will harm the felling of many if you keep it.
Regards
Atif
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.163.244 (talk) 15:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.163.244 (talk) 13:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)