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I think no assassinations should be included on this page, there's already a separate list for those and it's unmanageable enough here as it is. --Joffeloff 14:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes and no depending on intent. If the assassination is to scare people a la assassinating policemen in Iraq it does belong. Most of the traditional assassinations of a political leaders do not belong because the major intent was not to "scare" the public but kill one individual "Edkollin 03:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC).[reply]

This article is enormous. Should it be split up by decades?-Wafulz 17:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Terrorism by country represents a truer sub set then does terrorism by decade. Due to different perceptions etc the terrorism lists for each country do differ sometimes. Example The U.S. list has subsections for foiled plots and Arrests and Detentions. If somebody wants to concentrate on a certain period there is hyperlinks to do so Edkollin 06:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Prehistorical events may be included into this list only if you provide reputable sources which describe there events as terrorism, and only quoting such statement as someone opinion. At these aulden times they all were running around killing each other civilians or not. Towns and villages razed and buried to ground for millenia. It was their way of life. "Terrorism" is the term within the framework of modern morals and to apply it to older times is anachronism. `'Míkka 21:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why isn't the bombings on Copenhagen by the British listed? I mean, isn't that a terror attack, since it is a direct attack at civilians? --[Svippong - Talk] 13:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I took it out because as it says on the top of the list "the following is a timeline of acts and failed attempts that can be considered non-state terrorism". Alleged acts of state terrorism has its own article. This was a point of debate awhile back and this debate can always be reopened. I am frankly getting tired of repeatedly having to take out alleged acts of state terrorism in this artcle by editors some of whom I suspect are trying to change policy the underhanded way Edkollin 03:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That seems reasonable. However, I am wondering, where is this other list you speak of? --[Svippong - Talk] 15:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct there is no such article. It was deleted on August 2nd. Here is discussion that led to the deletion[1].In short it was agreed that since there is wide disagreement as to what it means or if it even exists the article would become an endless battleground. There are articles about allegations of state terrorism against the U.S. and state sponsored terrorism. The acts described are not acts conducted by the main military during wartime but usually done in secrecy during a non declared war by intelligence agencies or irregulars. There is no Wikipedia article for what you are describing ie acts committed by the regular military during wartime. Many acts by the allies during WWII such as the Dresden Bombing would come under this description of alleged state terrorism. To see further discussions of this and related subjects go to Archive1 of these discussion pages Edkollin 17:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=18958844&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=6

Jerusalem - On Wednesday, an off duty IDF soldier from the Israeli Givati Infantry Brigade was badly injured and a civilian was lightly injured in a shooting attack on the trans-Samaria road near the entrance to Ariel. Responsibility for the shooting was claimed by the Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades, Fatah's military wing.

someone please add this.

btw off duty=civilian cloths —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.94.44.231 (talk) 17:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC) :[reply]

Done. Sometimes if I do not have time to add an incident I store the link in a word file.Edkollin 04:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From List of terrorist incidents in London‎ :

April 10 1992: A large bomb explodes in St Mary Axe in the City of London. The bomb was contained in a large white truck and consisted of a fertilizer device wrapped with a detonation cord made from Semtex. It killed three people: Paul Butt, 29, Baltic Exchange employee Thomas Casey, 49, and 15-year old Danielle Carter. The bomb also caused damage to surrounding buildings, many of which were also badly damaged by the Bishopsgate bombing the following year. The bomb caused £800 million worth of damage, £200 million more than the total damaged caused by the 10,000 explosions that had occurred during the Troubles in Northern Ireland up to that point.(De Baróid, Ciarán (2000). Ballymurphy And The Irish War. Pluto Press. pp. p. 325. ISBN 0-7453-1509-7. ((cite book)): |pages= has extra text (help)).

If there were 10,000 explosions in Northern Ireland between 1968 and 1992 (and that does not include shooting that were probably even more common), is there any point making a world wide list because any list is going to be too large to fit onto one page or it is going to have built in systemic bias. --PBS 15:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am usually not in favor of listing these types of school massacres but I did for this one. The killer was not bullied and more importantly he had a stated socio/political motive Edkollin 17:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The blast, which occurred around 8:15 p.m. at the south lobby of the main building of the House of Representatives, killed Wahab Akbar, a congressman. Marcial Talbo, the driver for Representative Luz Ilagan, was also killed, and Ilagan suffered injuries to her right leg and back."

"A total of nine people, some of them congressional staff members, were also hurt in the explosion, according to the police."

"House Speaker Jose de Venecia Jr., who confirmed Akbar's death, called the explosion "an act of terrorism.""

from:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/13/asia/13manila.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.51.57 (talk) 16:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Parishan, there is no such title or a organization in Armenia with that name. Secondly please use reliable, third party sources, Azeri governmental sites are neither reliable or third party. The reason I removed newspaper articles is because WP:Reliable Sources states:

"Mainstream newspapers may be a reliable source for some subjects. Newspaper and magazines have various different forms of articles from straight and neutral reporting through to opinion pieces of dubious veracity. Newspaper articles will rarely have the stature of academic works. With regard to popular culture articles, they may be the best or only source but should still be treated with care, especially with regard to assessing a neutral point of view. The publication of the same facts in several newspapers is not necessarily proof of reliability due to the way the news industry works with common agencies and self-published press releases."

Now if you want to accuse Republic of Armenia in state terrorism I suggest you present academic sources not questionable newspaper articles. Just because Azerbaijan blames Armenians for anything bad that happens in their country doesn't make it true. Also why were the USSR flags changed? VartanM 00:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rememember as far as this list is concerned it does not matter as this is a list of NON-STATE terrorism Edkollin 01:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that they should be removed, instead of NPOV-ing? I'm talking about Baku metro bombings. VartanM (talk) 18:34, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had to reluctantly take it out. According to Newsweek magazine last week Interpol announced "red notices" for the arrest of three Iranian government officials, including Deputy Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi[2]. This list is for non state sponsored terrorist incidents. Edkollin (talk) 18:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

but wasn't the actual attack carried out by Hezbollah? it doesnt matter who originaly sponsored it (imo) but who carried it out. Resurrection of Lazarus (talk) 16:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To the families of those who died probably not but putting this incident in is in clear violation of this rule "Note: there is no single accepted definition of non-state terrorism in common use. Incidents listed here are restricted to those that: (a) ARE NOT BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN STATE-SPONSORED; and (b) are commonly called terrorism or meet some of the commonly used criteria." If the Iranian government sent money to Hezbollah knowing it might used used in terrorism somehow you might have a point but the Iranian defense minister is being charged as a co-conspirator. Edkollin (talk) 19:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

in any case it is only claimed that the Iarnian ministers were involved, the thing didn't go to trial yet and there were no evidence presented (apart from mystirious mr C). the thing is, it wasnt proven that it was state spnsored just claimed. if this guy would be convicted or public evidence would be presented putting the blame on Iran for the planing then we cant know that. i just think that we should base this on things we know for sure and no speculations.Resurrection of Lazarus (talk) 12:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right now Iranian or Hezbollah involvement are just claims which we always get around when we say "so and so suspected". Right now this incident with the new Interpol red letter against the Iranian Defense Minister falls under the "believed to be state sponsored" category but the real issue is the rule itself which I am going to deal with with a proposal below.Edkollin (talk) 06:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Digest of domestic news for the week Nov 17- Nov 23, 2007 Friday (the 23rd)

"Lucknow: Terror strikes Uttar Pradesh when militants trigger near-simultaneous blasts in court premises in Varanasi, Faizabad and the state capital killing 15 people, four of them lawyers, and injuring over 80."

http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/16B4EA12FE2BBD006525739D002A554C?OpenDocument

"Russian police are treating the explosion which killed at least five people and injured 13 on a bus in the country's North Caucasus region on Thursday as a terrorist attack, a police source said on Friday. "

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20071123/89242640.html

someone please put those in the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Resurrection of Lazarus (talk • contribs) 12:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about you being that someone?. This talk page is for comments over whether something should be in an article not a file retrieval service. If you are pressed for time stick it a file in the Word Processing program of your choice for later retrieval Edkollin (talk) 07:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Israeli killed in West Bank terror attack

Ido Zoldan, 29, of Shavei Shomron shot Monday night near Arab village by West Bank settlement of Kedumim, dies of his wounds short while later. Defense Minister Barak: Heighten alert level ahead of Annapolis "

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3473402,00.html

well this isnt in Israel as recognised by the UN but in the occupied territories...

"IDF foils terror attack on Netiv Ha'asara

Soldiers shoot and kill three terrorists attempting to climb Gaza security fence near Israeli community"

"The al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the infiltration attempt. An organization spokesman told Ynet, "It was planned to be a suicide attack." "

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3473411,00.html

i am not sure what is the criteria for inclusion so decide yourself whether to add this one. Resurrection of Lazarus (talk) 16:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These are acts or planned acts of violence intended to coerce a population of government with the purpose of political or social change so they are terroristic in nature Edkollin (talk) 19:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incidents should by or about his drug cartel should be taken out. Motivation is financial not a political or social cause although political targets were sometimes attacked Edkollin 09:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It was political. Pablo waged war against the state of Colombia and his motivation was that he did not want to be extradited. The H-Man2 (talk) 22:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know this has been discussed before, but I propose to split the article on major historical epoch, like say by century or half century to improve its usability. Mbisanz (talk) 05:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem here is human nature. The last few years have many more listings just because editors are doing there thing when a attacks occur. Maybe cutting out all "unsuccessful" incidents or putting some sort of significance limitation. But that opens up a big can of worms Edkollin (talk) 06:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article says there has been a terrorist attck in Lebanon on December 13, 2007. I think that should be changed since it's only the 12th today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.219.222 (talk) 00:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about the terrorist attack, but it's December 13 in Lebanon. VartanM (talk) 05:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed error Edkollin (talk) 05:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2006	Dead	Inju	Description
February 1	23		The South Korean Embassy in Damascus, Syria is bombed by Muslim extremists linked to al-Qaeda.[citation needed]
February 2	~5	~1	A farm in Patikul, a small town on Sulu Island near Jolo (Mindanao) Philippines is attacked by Abu Sayyaf. After asking the residents if they were Christian, the gunmen opened fire[1]
February 22	0	0	Al Askari Mosque bombing in Iraq ignites sectarian strife resulting in hundreds of murders in the following days.[citation needed]
March 2	4	~24	Karachi, Pakistan near U.S. Consulate is bombed.[2]
	~32	~25

I suggest we use the same format for the description: first the city or more specific location, followed by the (suspected) perpetrators if known, follwed by any other details.

I also suggest that we only keep entries if the source uses the word "terrorist" or the perpetrators are well known to be terrorists according to cited sources in the articles about them. -- Jeandré, 2007-12-14t14:14z, -- Jeandré, 2007-12-15t13:19z

This would unfairly preclude "lone wolf" and copycat incidents as well as those that occurred before the 1970's when the term was not in wide use Edkollin (talk) 04:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If there's no reference saying it's a terrorist incident, even one written years later, then it can't stay in a list of terrorist incidents in a tertiary source. -- Jeandré, 2008-01-10t19:55z

Well, there's a problem with the 2008 table. It appears at the end of the article, after sources, etc.... If someone knows how to fix it. ThanksKormin (talk) 20:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why isn't the Gunpowder Plot by Guy Fawkes on here? In my eyes it's the first ever terrorist attempt in history. Meaty♠Weenies (talk) 13:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was in the article until this edit [3] The rational for doing so is here [4] Tony0937 (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the dropping of atomic bombs in 1945 is listed here as an act of terrorism. May I suggest adding other acts of terrorism in wars? We can add the Nazi concentration camps and biological experimentations. We can also do the ones that Japanese did in China, such as Nanking massacre, Unit 731 (similar biological experimentations that Nazi did), Bataan Death March, etc. Also we can add the Kahmer Rouge massacre in Cambodia. --AquaExecution 22:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A couple problems with it. It appears to be based on wikipedia lists, and we've already seemed to establish that our lists are incomplete and may never be complete. Thus the map inevitably displays an incomplete/inaccurate picture, which isn't noted anywhere. And regarding the map itself, it seems kind of strange how the legend is set up, with 1 having its own category, then putting everything 20 and above into the same category (for example Iraq and Israel, then Spain and Russia all in the same category seems a little strange. There should be a 20-40 category.) Sbw01f (talk) 20:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The page itself has a template saying that "it has been suggested that this article be split into multiple articles accessible from a disambiguation page", however I don't see any discussion here. If a discussion occurred (and I certainly hope one did, considering the drastic changes the article is undergoing), where did it happen? --clpo13_(talk) 10:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was none. The idea of consensus at Wikipedia is apparently as dated as the horse and buggy Edkollin (talk) 05:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to being bold, also no content was lost. I watched this happen live and did not object because it seemed a good idea. ^{(Hypnosadist)} 05:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just formatted the page a bit to make the ToC and article more readable. ^{(Hypnosadist)} 10:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decided to finish off the 1970's and that leaves us with a good place to stop the split. ^{(Hypnosadist)} 11:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any objections to renaming those articles from "List of terrorist incidents, 2008" to "List of terrorist incidents in 2008" and "List of terrorist incidents in the 1960s"? -- Jeandré, 2008-01-19t20:38z

None. ^{(Hypnosadist)} 07:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is not intuitive how to navigate to the articles from the 60's on (the only way is the small table at the top). Can an intuitive method of navigating to these new lists be devised? Mikebar (talk) 07:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More intuitive as of the last edit although I cannot help thinking it could be spaced out or otherwise look a bit better but that is just me. Good work! Mikebar (talk) 06:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Layout

Packing off the last 38 years into a mean little box full of numbers seems to me to have been a Big Mistake. Half the point of having a list of things is for reference: the other half is so that you browse it and get an overview. With this arrangement, that's impossible. I think the layout was much better the way it used to be, and should probably be put back, if not to the way it was, at least with a page for each decade.AdeMiami (talk) 19:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are there lists of terrorist incidents broken down by country available on Wikipedia? If so, please refer me to the list for India, as I cannot find it. If not, may I recommend turning this into a dynamic table that allows readers to organize not only by year, but also by country, terrorist group, etc. Cheers! 67.242.104.174 (talk) 23:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC) R.E.D.[reply]

For a period of time all types of terrorist incidents were included here. Then it was split into state and non-state sponsored incidents. The state sponsored incident article was deleted after disagreements of what or if there is state sponsored terrorism. An example would be the Dresden firebombing of World War II. Was it terrorism or a legitimate act of War or a War Crime? While as of last check there were still a list of alleged U.S. state terrorism incidents article there is no general place at the moment to list state or state sponsored incidents. I have come to the conclusion that there might be consensuses for a revision of the non state rule because that rule has been regularly violated by editors over a long period of time. One argument against changing the rule of course is that you would bring the sharp disagreements that sunk the state terrorism article to this article. To start with I propose these three basic courses of action A. Keep things as they are. B. Add state sponsored terrorism but not direct terrorism by a state. C. Put everything in. I am sure you will have other suggestions Edkollin (talk) 07:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edkollin (talk) 07:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC) B. Can not leave it the way it was I am to tired of deleting violators but I think the Acts of War vs. terrorism argument is to big a hurtle to overcome. Most of the violations have been in the "sponsored" category[reply]

I agree that if the other article was deleted that we should add state sponsored terrorism here. and i support what you said about not adding alleged direct state terrorism here to avoid the contraversy. Resurrection of Lazarus (talk) 10:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Acts of war are not terrorism. A legitimate aim of war is to sap the morale of the enemy so that the enemy no longer wishes to continue the war. The judgement about military necessity and the bombing of Dresden -- or any other city -- during world war II is far to complicated subject for such actions to be included in this list. As far as the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior is concerned, a bombing of a civilian target within the territory of a country that was an ally of the French, is a different matter. --PBS (talk) 11:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another angle to this is the incident I just deleted the Mossad assassination of Black September Members. Is it direct state terrorism? It is not an action to coerce a population (a general population anyway) or to change socio/political policy but revenge. The Rainbow Warrior incident has some similarties to The Black Tom ExplosionEdkollin (talk) 06:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As atrocious as war and war crimes are, they do not qualify as terrorism. There needs to be "space" for the article, but confusing and mixing the terms is not helpful to public understanding, and is not a legitimate way to contextualize an argument.--Mr. Stein (talk) 19:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to move this article to [List of non-state terrorist incidents], to reflect the description given to it in the first line. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 19:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to get a much wider consensus for that kind of move. Why don't you propose it in a wider forum first? Jayjg ^(talk) 06:10, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not much opposition after a month. What forum had you in mind? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 18:13, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No support whatsoever after a month. You could try an RFC. Jayjg ^(talk) 00:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's one way to look at it, although you can take my support as a given. "I think you need to get a much wider consensus for that kind of move."; what are you basing that on? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 02:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All editors who wish to add to this list should first read Words to avoid.

This means that every incident added to the list must be backed by reliable sources that call it "terrorism". If it's not, it will be removed.

Furthermore, just because some sources label Group X as "terrorists" doesn't mean that everything Group X does counts as "terrorism".

~Asarlaí 17:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And who made this up? 90.208.71.151 (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What encylopedic purpose is served by the little flag icons. I suggest they can be removed with no loss in content. Hmains (talk) 01:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, per WP:MOSICON--ukexpat (talk) 15:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It says somewhere on the talk page that this list also includes foiled terrorist incidents. However, I don't seem to be able to find any. Or a separate list for that matter. Does anyone know if there is a separate list for this anywhere on Wikipedia? It would actually be an interesting article. --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 09:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And doable with an algorithm. I m not that fast with programming though :D --Alfonsedode (talk) 14:21, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously I have enough sources for plenty of attacks before 1970.. Is there a reason why the least is so poor? --Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:01, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It would be brilliant if you could add more, mate. We want this list to be as comprehensive as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:26A0:4A00:E19C:96C4:D6B3:80D (talk) 16:10, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be great adding them, even better if your source them --Alfonsedode (talk) 14:21, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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There's a tag of neutrality dispute for almost three years. Is there a justification?--Bolter21 (talk to me) 10:07, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! This article is fundamentally non-neutral as long as it is titled "List of terrorist incidents" but excludes incidents of state-sponsored terrorism. That is as biased as excluding incidents of right-wing-sponsored terrorism or corporate-sponsored terrorism. It either needs to be renamed to "List of non-state-sponsored terrorist incidents" or it needs to include all terrorist incidents. -- DBooth (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Should this page be named using a moderately short, but misleading title that reflects a non-neutral POV? Or should this page have a slightly longer title that is unbiased and accurately reflects the page's intended content? This page is intended to contain a "list of non-state terroist incidents", as prominently stated at the beginning. But at present it is misleadingly entitled "List of terrorist incidents" (instead of "List of non-state terrorist incidents"), thus implicitly reflecting the non-neutral POV that only non-state terrorist incidents qualify as terrorist incidents. Such bias is a violation of the Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view requirement. Unless there is a clear and compelling justification to retain this bias and inaccuracy, it should be corrected to conform to Wikipedia's guidelines. For example, would the additional 10 characters required for an accurate and unbiased title cause unacceptable technical hardship? This issue has been brought up several times over the past 7 years, and so far no consensus has yet been reached on a compelling justification for retaining this bias and inaccuracy in the page title.

If anyone can provide compelling justification for retaining this bias and inaccuracy by keeping the current page title, please do so below. Otherwise, the page will be renamed to "List of non-state terrorist incidents" to accurately reflect its content. Thanks! -- DBooth (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• DBooth Hopefully in the extensive period of time since your last edit you have seen some report of an event that may have changed your views. The simple fact is that a major motivation behind these attacks is to influence political directions by instilling fear. How is the WP:COMMONNAME not appropriate? Please also note that the section reached through the shortcut WP:TERRORIST is found on a project page that is basically entitled WP:Words to watch and which begins with the cautionary statement: "There are no forbidden words or expressions on Wikipedia, ..." We also need to keep track of the first pillar of Wikipedia in that we are here to build an encyclopaedia. Our priority is to present clear informative content. The rest is guidelines which, in various cases, may variously apply. GregKaye 03:21, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Whole lede specifies non-state terrorism, I've moved the page to match. If we have to use this term, it's good to see there's an attempt at defining it here. Gob Lofa (talk) 18:51, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Greg, you seem to be implying that: (a) if I paid more attention to certain terrorist incidents then I would start thinking of those as the ONLY kind of terrorist incidents; and (b) that a biased POV is acceptable on Wikipedia because Wikipedia "is not censored". Not true. Wikipedia's policy is very clear on this point: "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV)" (see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). This is not a "guideline" that "may variously apply", it is a requirement. It is certainly fine to refer to any terrorist act as simply a "terrorist act", regardless of the sponsor -- be it a state, a religious group, a group of deposed generals, a ragtag band of ambitious dictator-wannabes or any other group. It is not okay to pretend that only terrorist acts that were sponsored by certain groups qualify as terrorist acts. That would be very non-neutral. As a useful thought experiment, imagine that Daesh re-establishes a caliphate, declares itself a state, and gets a few other renegade states to recognize its statehood. Should its terrorist acts then suddenly no longer be considered terrorist acts, simply because they are now state-sponsored? No. That would be nonsensical. Bear in mind also that state-sponsored terrorism is fundamental to the origin of the word "terrorism", which arose to describe "government intimidation during the Reign of Terror in France" (see terrorism). -- DBooth (talk) 17:57, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Since the combat actions of the War in Donbass continue to make it to these lists, and in my opinion they have nothing to do with terrorism, I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Designation of terrorism in Ukraine. All opinions, and mostly those of uninvolved users, are welcome. Thank you.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:36, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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In several of the sub-lists of this one (such as List of terrorist incidents in February 2019), guerilla attacks on exclusively military targets are listed as terrorist attacks. I would like to remove any incident that clearly falls outside the Definitions of terrorism, using the four criteria in the lead section of said article. (Link to previous discussion) Does anyone have any input? Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 10:47, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Exclusively military targets or guerrilla attacks don't necessarily fall outside the definition of terrorism, especially unless there's a war. The third point of what is not considered terrorism talks about legitimate targets in a war. The second excludes attacks for self-defence and punishments for criminals. The fourth collateral damage due to a war. RookerBowman (talk) 13:00, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi friend. Can somebody add this new article to main table of article? Gunman attack in Tripoli 2019 Thank you so much.Forest90 (talk) 13:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This page only lists major incidents and that Tripoli attack had four victims which is a small number compared to those on the list.Sjö (talk) 09:26, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Editors may be interested in Talk:List of terrorist incidents in July 2019#Criteria and event notability – Levivich 03:10, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed some incidents from lists according to the new criteria. Here is one of the incidents introduced by Lukasvdb99 (diff) on List of terrorist incidents in September 2019 with the following text:

A woman was stabbed by a Palestinian boy and became injured.^[1]

I reverted (diff), it was reintroduced again (diff), and I have added an additional source and more accurate text (diff):

A 12-years old Palestinian boy tried to stab a group of police officers. A policewoman was lightly wounded.^[2][3]

While the police label incident a terror attack (unsurprisingly), Haaretz does not. It also looks like a minor incident in the context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict which will never have a standalone article. Is this something that should be kept or deleted according to the new criteria? --MarioGom (talk) 08:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MarioGom you made a mistake while changing the text and adding a additional source. You put the sources at the wrong incident. I corrected it and put the right source at the right incident. And I think the police decides when it's a terror attack and not Haaretz. And both incidents have a standalone article. --Lukasvdb99 (talk) 09:15, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Our agreed guidelines, above, are that reliable, secondary sources decide what's terrorism, which would include Haaretz. We prefer not to use primary sources, i.e. the police.

The events look minor to me, but if they meet notability criteria for standalone articles, then they're in. If they don't, they're not. Bondegezou (talk) 11:00, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the criteria from the RfC I'd say that, no, we don't include it. It's not being treated as terrorism by RSes. Simonm223 (talk) 12:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why you prefer to use secondary sources. I think it's more logical to let the police decide when an incident is terrorism related, because they do the investigation and they have the clues that say it's terrorism or it's not. Secondary sources like Haaretz take over information from primary sources like the police. Other secondary sources take over the fact that the police call this incident terrorism, but Haaretz doesn't. This is their choice of how they bring the news. They don't say it's terrorism or it's not terrorism. --Lukasvdb99 (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We had a lengthy discussion you can view in the previous Talk section about the criteria and why they are as they are. Wikipedia generally favours secondary sources over primary sources, as per WP:SECONDARY. Bondegezou (talk) 16:21, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lukasvdb99: thank you for the correction. Indeed, I mixed two incidents. Wikipedia always prefers secondary sources (WP:RS). Note that taking every Government usage of the word "terrorist" at face value in Wikipedia voice would mean labeling as terrorist Leopoldo López in Venezuela until 2017, for example, or participants in many protests in multiple countries. --MarioGom (talk) 11:14, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Maidan Shar attack is listed at List of terrorist incidents in 2019 and List of terrorist incidents in January 2019. Given this is an attack from one faction of the War in Afghanistan against the military of the other faction, the labeling as terrorist incident is questionable. Reliable sources are not treating it as a terrorist attack ([5], [6]), except in quotes from Government officials ([7]). Anything against removing it from the lists, considering the new list criteria? --MarioGom (talk) 15:05, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I support removal. Bondegezou (talk) 19:02, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On Template:Lists of Terrorist Incidents, 1970–2010 is one list page per year, 2010–2014 is two list pages per year (Jan-Jun, Jul-Dec), and 2015–2019 is one page per month. It looks like combining the 12 monthly 2019 lists into one 2019 list would create a list about 180–200k, which is larger than the max recommended in WP:SIZERULE. Should they stay as they are now? Should they be consolidated into one page per year? Two pages per year? Thoughts? Thanks in advance. – Levivich 04:33, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First I should say that this is my maiden comment on the talk page and that I find its structure less than instantly and intuitively obvious.

I am a user rather than a contributor(except financially) to Wikipedia and from December 2017 to February 2019 have used the List of Terrorist Incidents to track and analyse Boko Haram violence in Nigeria and adjacent Niger, Chad and Cameroon. The results appear in http://www.bokoharamvictimsrelief.org/violence-2017-19/. If you take a look at this analysis I think you will agree that it is a real contribution to knowledge. It makes it possible for example to identify the activities of different BH factions through time and space and to make predictions -- as for example in November 2018 when I predicted that something big was going to happen in the extreme north of Nigeria. A month later the Barnawi faction captured and held territory in extreme northern Nigeria for the first time since early 2015 -- contradicting President Buhari's ill-informed and over-optimistic statements.

It may be that the compilers of these lists do not realize just what a contribution they are making. The Boko Haram area is very poorly covered by any press and no one besides me is synthesizing the data and publishing. Thus the millions of victims of Boko Haram, IDPs and others, are denied any substative basis for making life and death decisions. (Not that many of them have access to the web, but the knowledge does trickle down, and I have sent the analyses to Nigerian newspapers, ho have apparently ignored them.)

The Wikipedia listings were especially valuable both because of their breadth of coverage and because they reference the original sources. This allowed me to check everything and follow up incidents by googling, enabling me to locate almost all incidents in space despite the imprecisions of the original reports. There really was and is nothing comparable.

Then in March 2018 everything changed. Incidents were only reported if they were "notable", usually with >100 persons killed. From hundreds of incidents the numbers went down to tens (or less). There is no way I can use them to continue the analysis. So PLEASE go back to the old criteria.

Thanks for your attention.

Nicholas David

http://homepages.ucalgary.ca/~ndavid/Homepage/ http://www.sukur.info http://www.bokoharamvictimsrelief.org https://www.youtube.com/user/nicdavid37 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicdavid (talk • contribs) 16:49, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing stopping there being an article List of Boko Haram attacks with its own inclusion criteria. Why don't you or someone else create that as a locus for the collation of information you've found useful? Bondegezou (talk) 22:14, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is List of terrorist incidents in London a child article of this one? There is a dispute about whether the RFC result applies to that article. FDW777 (talk) 13:11, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just recording that I commented at Talk:List of terrorist incidents in London#Question. Levivich ^harass/_hound 19:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

An editor is insisting that this is a terrorist incident and can be included in Terrorism in the United States solely on the basis that Governor Cuomo said it was (once). The perpetrator was deemed unfit to stand trial and is in a mental facility. Our RfC doesn't apply to that standalone list I assume. Doug Weller talk 12:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Repeating what I said at WP:RSN - the governor is not an RS, it doesn't belong on the list unless RSes are describing it in that way. Adding it without RS is a BLP violation. I won't comment on whether that RfC formally applies there (I haven't read it), but it seems like an obviously sensible approach to take. GirthSummit _(blether) 13:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies if I've missed a discussion that's been archived elsewhere. But why don't Israel and Jordan have their own entries in the list of terrorist incidents by countries? Also, wouldn't that list be more navigable if it were in alphabetical order? Thanks. The Sanity Inspector (talk) 12:23, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The list of terrorist incidents by countries merely lists those articles that exist. It's not that certain countries have been omitted: it's just that Wikipedia grows through the work of individual editors and no-one has happened to create those articles. Thus, what articles exist or don't exist is up to the wider community, so I suggest you raise that question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Terrorism rather than here. Bondegezou (talk) 12:33, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How should be terrorist incidents which occurred for more than a day should be listed (if they should at all)? Sure "conventional" terrorism like bombings, stabbings, and vehicle attack mostly occur for just a portion of a day but how about hostage crises or full occupation by terrorist groups (such as the 2017 Marawi siege by ISIS-affiliates which is widely described as terrorism)Hariboneagle927 (talk) 11:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We currently list and just give a date range. See List_of_terrorist_incidents#1900–1929 and the 28 April 1903 - 1 May 1903 Boatmen of Thessaloníki bombings. Bondegezou (talk) 11:36, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has started an RfC asking "Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas be included in the List of Islamist terrorist attacks?" at Talk:List of Islamist terrorist attacks#Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas included in the list of Islamist Terrorist attacks?. Interested editors are invited to participate. TarnishedPath^talk 00:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]