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This article is on the verge of being original research, as the term "considered" in the title implies some level of subjectivity. Where are the sources that consider these records unbreakable? The sole sources given in the article is about.com, which is not really a reliable source for this kind of info, and certainly is insufficient by itself. I think this article needs more sources that establish that these records are considered unbreakable. Brad 18:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
If anyone ever decides to help expand this article, there are a good 5-10 more records that can be added to the list. The ultimate goal would be to have a brief description for each record as to why it is considered unbreakable with the appropriate citations and a few pictures. I may get around to it eventually, but hopefully someone else can get a head start. RoadView (talk) 04:12, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I would appreciate some additional information in particular entries about what particular changes have taken place that made the record once possible and now highly unlikely. For example, I would assume many of Cy Young's pitching are unassailable due to changes in pitching rotation conventions, use of relievers, etc. 207.58.192.150 (talk) 18:11, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Some of them are unbreakable in the live ball area, but for instance why is Ichiro's hits or Nolan's pitching records? just means another great player needs to have the longevity to beat it rather than impartially impossible rather than major changes in the ways baseball is played (like pitchers only make 35 starts a season now if they are lucky) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.158.248 (talk) 15:37, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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The 2 sections about no-hitters (career and consecutive) have different numbers of no-hitters in the decade between 2000 and 2010. How many were there, and what is the source?
63.170.80.2 (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Added wins in a season by a pitcher. The fact teams now use a 5 man rotation, 59 wins is unattainable. 24.196.82.6 (talk) 00:19, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
All the sources in this article from LIFE now redirect to the main homepage (i.e. they can no longer be accessed). Does anyone know where we could retrieve these sources (preferably from an archive like the Wayback Machine)? —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
This record is currently held by Robin Yount, who played 243 games in the majors as an 18- and a 19-year old (he turned 20 in his second season). He broke Mel Ott's record of 241 games in the majors as a teen. For someone to break this record today, they would have to jump directly to the majors from high school (or make it to the majors from Latin America by age 18), and considering that major-league draft picks now sign minor-league contracts, why should this not be on the list?
I will not add this without discussion. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 02:03, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
This should be Stan Musial who had 24, not Hank Aaron if he had only 21 as the site currently reads — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.201.89.19 (talk) 05:09, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
This record is imo by far the hardest record in all of sports to break. Just by the volume of other records that would be broken in order for someone to get 3 grand slams one inning off of one pitcher. 3 hrs one inning and off one pitcher. Most rbis one inning and off one pitcher. Most rbis game off one pitcher. Tied most rbis game. Here are the team records that would fall. Most runs one inning team and off one pitcher. Most batters to come to plate one inning and off one pitcher.
There should probably be something included (at least a footnote) regarding the discrepancies. While the figure of 62 wins is widely discredited, there seems to be some legitimate debate between 59 and 60. Joefromrandb (talk) 13:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Isn't this article by its very nature journalistic and not encyclopedic, and therefore off-topic in an encyclopedia? Renard Migrant (talk) 10:43, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Which really means disparities in skills of players in the early days of baseball. None of these record holders would probably be better than today's players. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Should we add the Orioles unbreakable attendance record from today? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:B:C081:DDC6:A10A:D6DA:BF25:B526 (talk) 02:36, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
I think another record worth adding is Rogers Hornsby's single-season batting average record of .424. The chances of this being broken are incredibly small; the last player to hit over .400 in a single season was Ted Williams over 70 years ago, and in recent years, the only player to get close to .400 was Tony Gwynn, when he hit .394 in 1994.
While it might be 'considered' by some to be unbreakable, the fact that Ichiro would have surpassed this by now had he played his whole career in MLB suggests it isn't literally unbreakable. While Ichiro's career batting average is higher in Japan than it is here, when he played there the season was only 130 game season, so he's actually getting more hits per season in the US than he ever did in Japan. Renard Migrant (talk) 11:36, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
I think is unbreakable as the modern game goes. No player who spent most of his career in the 21st century has gotten within less than 700 hits from the record, and no active player is within the all time top 10 in hits. And with the ever increasing strikeout rate as well as a decreasing batting average, the record will soon become an anachronism.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18977810/barry-bonds-pac-man-greatest-baseball-fun-fact-all Kinston eagle (talk) 23:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
I think Don Drysdale's record of 6 consecutive complete game shutouts will not be surpassed in this era with setup men and closers. Few pitchers even get 6 complete games in a season now. The last season in which a single major league pitcher had 7 or more complete games was 2011. The last season in which a major league pitcher had 7 or more shutouts was 1985. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:53, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Wouldn't unattended games due to CoViD-19 restrictions break that record to permanently set it to zero? 2601:43:101:9360:5DEA:66C7:C239:F206 (talk) 12:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
According to this section, it sounds like it is very likely to be broken at some point, so I'm not sure why it is considered "unbreakable". Is there a source calling this record "unbreakable"? If not, it should probably be removed. Kaldari (talk) 15:22, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
I think exactly the same. Also add that the record though not broken, has been equalled 17 times, so it's definitely breakable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juan diego sanchez (talk • contribs) 02:30, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
The Game-winning RBI was an official statistic for most of the 1980s, but was discontinued after the 1988 season. While it was in effect, there were various records set. Barring another change in the rules, these records are unbreakable by definition. Is there any reason not to import to this article the records set forth in our GWRBI article? JamesMLane t c 18:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, everyone. I am an infrequent poster and hope I don't make a botch of this. Anyway, I dispute the verbiage, "dramatically reduced penalty for strikeouts." The penalty for strikeouts is exactly the same as it's always been... you're out. Rather, high strikeout totals are no longer so much considered the sign of a terrible batter. I think a better expression of the intended sentiment would be "a dramatically reduced stigma for striking out" or something like that. Thanks for listening. The tamale (talk) 16:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
The thing is, now strikeouts are not as negatively seen as they used to be. Once upon a time, striking out 162 times (an average of once a game) was seen as absolutely embarrasing. Now, is close to the MLB average strikeout rate. And we've seen several 300-strikeout performances by several pitchers in recent years (as per the article itself), so definitely, the penalty for strikeouts is reduced.
I'm a little skeptical of much of this article (since it's ultimately subjective, and largely borders on original research), but in particular the Career Saves Record section seems like a stretch inclusion. The two most recent holders of the record were active within the past 11 years (Hoffman retired in 2010, and Rivera in 2013), and - unlike with the Career Wins record - there's no clear change in the way the game is played that would preclude someone from ultimately surpassing them. Rivera had 243 saves through his age-32 season, and Kimbrel had 348 through his (and actually has 354 right now, still age 32). Can we really say for certain that Kimbrel, or some future closer, can't touch Rivera's record (which Rivera himself only set in 2010)? As a Yankees fan who grew up watching Rivera, I hope not - but I don't think it's remotely guaranteed!
The more I think about it, the more I think we should set a rule: in order to qualify for this list, the record needs to have been held for more than 20 years (or some other appropriate length of time), or there needs to have been a significant change in the rules of the game that would preclude someone's ability to challenge for the record. ABarnes94 (talk) 02:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
The career saves record is definitely breakable, as long as the closer stays healthy into his late 30s and early 40s ans it's on a team that gives him enough save opportunities. I think it shouldn't be considered unbreakable until some closer puts it in the vicinity of 900 saves (which would take an average of 45+ per season during 20 seasons to be broken). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juan diego sanchez (talk • contribs) 02:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
"Speaker is regarded as the greatest fielding centerfielder ever..." BY WHOM? The assessment is uncited. The tamale (talk) 16:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Do you think other unbreakable records should be added? Like the single season intentional walk record, single season walk record, single season obp record, and career walks record (all belonging to Barry Bonds), along with some other records I also consider to be unbreakable, such as the leadoff HR record (81 leadoff HRs) and the most seasons hitting at least 1 HR (25 seasons), both belonging to Rickey Henderson. Or maybe if universal DH is put in place from next season onwards, add all pitcher hitting related records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juan diego sanchez (talk • contribs) 02:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
I think now that the universal DH is in place, it will always be with Bartolo Colon and his home run. I don't see how this record could be broken in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallestmanintown (talk • contribs) 23:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
The Pirates had 20 consecutive losing seasons, which is the record for all of professional sports. However, it's a franchise record. ...And I guess it's technically possible to break. Never mind. 147.226.211.117 (talk) 20:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
I think Orel Hershiser's scoreless innings streak, should be included.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:55, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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