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Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) for current discussion of a potential policy to apply to all ethnicity lists on Wikipedia, including this one. JackO'Lantern 20:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
This list BADLY needs to be cleaned up. There is no order whatsoever here at this time.---Heff01, 4-17-06
Are both quite hungarian. I moved them up from the Other category into the Scientist category. Yes, they aren't cited and should be, but I'm confused as to why those two were removed when none of the other myriad of uncited exampled were left untouched. I put them back. Acornwithwings 05:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
This list refers to Hungarian Americans, which in turn mentions Hungarians. The latter article discusses Hungarians as members of the Magyar ethnic group. Is this list supposed to be limited to Magyars or is it to encompass American people and their descendants who were born in the territory of the country called Hungary, regardless of ethnic group? Hmains 21:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please explain how Elie Wiesel is Hungarian? He is not an ethnic Hungarian, he spoke Yiddish at home with his family, the town where he was born was part of the Kingdom of Romania at the time. If you have read his book "Night" he makes a clear distinction in that he refers to the Hungarian gendarmerie who deport him and his family to the ghettoes as "the Hungarians." If he were Hungarian himself he would not refer to a group of people of the same ethnicity in that way, would he? His only connection to being Hungarian is speaking the language, well, he also speaks German, French, Hebrew, and Romanian, why not list him as German-American, French-American, Hebrew-American and Romanian-American as well? --67.149.150.252 (talk) 04:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Please do not engage in massive blanking; thank you for this courtesy. Badagnani (talk) 19:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Blanking of Mark Knopfler here (despite the fact that the Mark Knopfler article states that he is of Hungarian ancestry). Badagnani (talk) 23:57, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I checked again and he seems to be British. I've been following his music since the early 1980s and had always thought he lived in the U.S. If he isn't a naturalized U.S. citizen, as his article indicates, I agree that he should not be included in this article. Thanks for weeding this one out. Badagnani (talk) 00:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
On all such articles I remove names that have no citation and no wp article. They do not meet the long stated inclusion criteria for the article. Editor who adds them need to follow the rules. Hmains (talk) 05:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
It's eminently reasonable to ask for due deliberation, in the form of discussion here, prior to large deletions. Badagnani (talk) 07:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
User:Hmains, please undo [1] and discuss here. Thank you for this consideration. Badagnani (talk) 19:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Folks, how about first deciding on the criteria, then sourcing to show that people meet the criteria. If the linked article is sourced then doing this is a simple task, if not then either find one or remove them.....simple. This silly warring is just going to result in grief, stupid responses, blocking and pointless drama - Peripitus (Talk) 10:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I do notice at first glance some odd entries: Louis C.K. whose only Hungarian relative appears to be his paternal grandfather and I can see nowhere in the press referred to as "Hungarian-American" - is this an acceptable entry ?. Jesse Ventura whose ancestors seem to come from Slovakia and Germany...not Hungary. Mark Singel, Keith Jarrett and Joseph M. Gaydos—no references and they have articles without a single mention of Hungary or Hungarian descent. - Peripitus (Talk) 10:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Hope that clarifies a few things. Squash Racket (talk) 13:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)List of Hungarian American is not a random "ethnicity-nationality-occupation intersection", as claimed in the nomination, but a list of notable Americans falling within the established United States Census Bureau ancestry category "Hungarian Americans"; USCB defines ancestry as "a person’s ethnic origin, heritage, descent, or 'roots,' which may reflect their place of birth, place of birth of parents or ancestors, and ethnic identities that have evolved within the United States."[2] This official definition is applicable to List of Hungarian American as well; the statement, "these people hardly qualify as Hungarians by any definition...they may have been born in Hungarian-territory, which would make some refer to them mistakenly as Hungarians" is therefore pointless and irrelevant. Pia 01:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
User:Squash Racket needs to understand that just because someone like Drew Barrymore has Hungarian background, it doesn't automatically make her a Hungarian.... as he would like to think. Until that misconception is cleared up, this list is doomed. Bulldog 19:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
is unhelpful to our article and project (as this editor has been requested dozens of times). See [4]. It's best if we take a different tack and accord serious discussion prior to engaging such large, insistent, and repeated deletions. Doing so will bring us closer to the ethos of our founders, as a maximally collaborative and collegial project. Badagnani (talk) 15:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, blanking without prior careful, thoughtful, and deliberate discussion really is unhelpful, and often destructive, not only to our content, but to our project's fundamentally collaborative spirit. Badagnani (talk) 17:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
This whole thing started with User:Bulldog123 removing content of this article to try to conform to his goal of making the article ONLY contain first generation Hungarian Americans and NOT ANY other generations. He even renamed the article to match this re-purposing goal after all his deletions--a rename which I asked and obtained reversal on. Now with a bunch of comments by other editors, few of whom seem to have actually read the history of this article but just read other editor's comments, the editors who did not want these mass deletions and article re-purposing of Bulldog123 to happen are the ones being accused of doing what Bulldog123 actually did! Incredible. Such as waste of words and time. What is the point of all this other than have the opportunity to write bad words about other editors and pursue old grudges? The discussion has little to do with this article, as such. This article is just like all the other fooian-American lists: it contains both first and other generations of Hungarian Americans, referencing the Hungarian American article which discusses all generations--just like the other fooian American articles. Can editors discuss this without anger and outrage and just stick to the article(s)? Hmains (talk) 02:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)ok. You seem to be making sense to me. I don't know about the history about blanking and hounding, ect, ect., and I probably don't want to :) I know I sometimes remove/blank material if it is unsourced rather than tagging it. I chaulk that up to being bold. If somebody then disagrees, then it should be tagged and taken to the talk page, per WP:BRD, no harm there it seems. Anyways, --Tom (talk) 12:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC) The University of Manitoba has a website dedicated to Szentivanyi and the URL is in Wikipedia pasted under Neuroendocrinology/pioneers of Neuroendocrinology that prooves Szentivanyi's ethnicity. I profusly appologize for not being able to cut and paste the link to this page.
A number of the editors here seem unfamiliar with the basic guideline for lists, WP:LIST. Obviously, we're having a disagreement on the basic inclusion criteria. My own concerns are that whatever criteria is decided, this list can be maintained. Again, I think it would be helpful to determine if there are any GA lists similar to this that we can follow. --Ronz (talk) 17:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Discussion removed here. Badagnani (talk) 22:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Clearly nobody gets it (which is amazing after all this time). But since nobody here, as far as I can tell, is illiterate, it must be that they pretend not to get it. Otherwise, I don't get it. These lists are in a perpetual unencyclopedic hell - where new users will continually re-add people without the correct references, or correct justifications of notability. There have already been a few mass Afds for List of X-Americans, most that ended in no-consensus and a few that have been deleted but then overturned - again through a 'no consensus.'
I'm suggesting a more definitive gauge of opinion by opening another AfD that would exclude anyone who participated in these discussions. Meaning me, Hmains, Ronz, etc... Bulldog123 19:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there any sensible reason to include Joaquin and River Phoenix, but not their sisters Liberty, Rain & Summer, and their mother Arlyn? Liberty seems not to have an article, but the others do. 82.141.94.123 (talk) 03:56, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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