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[See this diff of the formerly existing "John Yettaw" article.]
...because, for among other reasons, there is little in the way of reliable info available in the media about Mr. Yettaw himself! All we do know is that Yettaw was a building contractor in California and Missouri who ran a private bus -- the company was called USA Tours -- that carried U.S. Army personnel to and from a nearby base in Missouri. And, he had graduated from college with honors (having completed a course load that had enabled him to graduate with a quadruple major) and is presently apparently just shy of his having obtained his PhD. Yet, as M.J. Stephey (Dec. 8th Time magazine) has written, Mr. Yettaw has become "a magnet for international scorn and speculation." Even though there is a lot of factual coverage about many aspects of the incidents that Yettaw was involved in (that is, of course, the Suu Kyi trespasser incidents), Stephey's comment speaks in part to the fact that there is a lack of reliable coverage of who, exactly, Mr. Yettaw is himself. But, for balanced journalism and also for the compiling of verifiable knowledge of world affairs within an encyclopedia, all reasonably possible interpretations of mysterious events need to be presented, not only just one interpretation that would be possible, as is done in the case of mere propoganda. Hence, IMO the following applies (and in a variety of ways):
Wikipedia is not a[...]a vehicle for propaganda[...]. Therefore, content hosted in Wikipedia is not for:
- Propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind[...].
- Opinion pieces. Although some topics, particularly those concerning current affairs and politics, may stir passions and tempt people to "climb soapboxes" (i.e. passionately advocate their pet point of view), Wikipedia is not the medium for this. Articles must be balanced to put entries, especially for current events, in a reasonable perspective, and represent a neutral point of view. [...]
- Scandal mongering or gossip. Articles about living people are required to meet an especially high standard, as they may otherwise be libellous or infringe the subjects' right to privacy. Articles should not be written purely to attack the reputation of another person.
↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 01:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 19:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
(Dokoupil: Yettaw "started driving a USA Tours bus in part to ferry soldiers from their homes to nearby Fort Leonard Wood[...].")
The website for Missouri-based USA Tours' says their buses "transport tens of thousands of soldiers each year."↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 18:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
See here.↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 00:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Today or tomorrow I'll start removing a good portion of this article's section on John Yettaw's background, removing elements of speculation and negative shading, including the references to alleged instabilities within Yettaw's family of origin and the hearsay attributions of Yettaw's having been diagnosed with various physical or psychiatric conditions.↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 08:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
In this edit User:Justmeherenow converted the articel to a redirect. His reason for this was "(invoking WP:IAR I'm merging this article with Suu Kyi trespasser incidents)". A merge was suggested and failed to gain consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Yettaw (2nd nomination) quite recently. In my view, WPIAR is almost never a good reason to override consensus or take an action not supported by consensus. Indeed I don't think I have ever seen an action taken whose sole or primary support was WP:IAR which i agreed with. Moreover, i do not think that such a merge is a good idea, particularly not in the absence of any discussion of it on this talk page. I am therefore reverting the redirect. DES (talk) 13:55, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
This individual is notable for one incident and nothing else. No personal information belongs in this BLP that does not relate to the incident for which he is notable. For example, this person's marital history has absolutely no place here. I can't tell if there is some agenda being pushed here or not. If there is, it should stop immediately.Jarhed (talk) 21:13, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I think that this article should be deleted. Before we put it up for another AfD I would like to see if we can all come to some sort of agreement on that.Jarhed (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I would like to discuss the possible deletion of this article with anybody who cares about this issue. I think that it should be deleted. Mr. Now, I very much would like to understand your opinion. Your response above is too long and I don't understand it, thanks.Jarhed (talk) 23:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
In a series of edits User:Johnyettaw has insrted rebutals, objections or qualifing comments on many statements in the article. (User:Johnyettaw states that he is the subject John Yettaw. I have not seen any verification, but have no reason to disbelive this.) These would, as a mater of form, have been better placed on the talk opage, but I can undersand the desire to have objections and countervailing statements visible with the statements objected to.
These comnments should be checked, and if the original comments objected to are not well sourced thbey should be removed. DES (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
In a series of edits User:Johnyettaw has insrted rebutals, objections or qualifing comments on many statements in the article. (User:Johnyettaw states that he is the subject John Yettaw. I have not seen any verification, but have no reason to disbelive this.
[For verification: I will send you a picture of me and your name visible in the photo - my email address is john7children@gmail.com John Yettaw 76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC))
These would, as a mater of form, have been better placed on the talk opage, but I can undersand the desire to have objections and countervailing statements visible with the statements objected to
[Thank you for your objectivity. 76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)].
These comnments should be checked, and if the original comments objected to are not well sourced thbey should be removed
[NOTE: Thank you 76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)]. DES (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*in this edit by an IP who appears to be User:Johnyettaw, the statement "Their three older siblings died before becoming adults" was labeled "not accurate" and ages (uncited) were placed after the events. Assuming these ages (15, 18, and 36
[NOTE: typo correction - my sister died at age 39 not 36... I pressed the wrong key. John Yettaw 76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC))
are accurate, the "before becoming adults" is incorrect.The newsweek story says "he and a twin sister were born in a Detroit housing project
[NOTE: My sister and I were born on Rutherford Street, Detroit, MI. and not while living in Herman Garden Housing Projects. John Yettaw 76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)]
in 1955—the youngest of five siblings and the only ones to survive into adulthood" which apepars to be our only published source for these statements, but is in that articel atttributed to family members but says "The facts of Yettaw's life are also murky, even to his family" and " This is what they've been told". If Yettah [Yettaw] has self-published, other than on wikipedia, the statements User:Johnyettaw has made here, it would be posisble to use that as a source
[NOTE: I am currently doing an email interview with a journalist out of Bangkok, TH... but I doubt I will address the incorrectness of being born while residing at "Herman Garden" Housing Project... but I may mention that we were living there during the '67 Detroit riots... but then again... coming up with "proof" may be a bit difficult.... one would have to simply take my word for it. John Yettaw 76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)]. 76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC) ] 76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)].
*The article now says "According to his ex-wife, Yvonne, he has suffered from alcoholism and possibly untreated bipolar disorder" User:Johnyettaw responded [Libellous and False Light]. But there are two citations that Yvonne said this
[NOTE: Both citations are inaccurate and misleading. If you examine the Newsweek "Tramp" article (http://www.newsweek.com/id/201938) Tony Dokoupil mentions that Yvonne Yettaw was mistaken when she thought Aung San Suu Kyi and I had published a book. And I quote: "Ex-wife Yvonne says the Burma trip was about business: her ex-husband and Suu Kyi, she heard incorrectly, had coauthored a book together." This should be a "red flag". To set the record straight - I never discussed "Burma" with that woman, Yvonne Yettaw, (or her mother or sisters). In fact, any statment about Yvonne's mother knowing anything about my business (e.g., VA compenation, specualtion about medical isues, education and funding) came from Yvonne Yettaw - an Unreliable - Inaccurate - Source). As an issue of Fact, I did, though, discuss with my children, in detail, what I was going to do in Burma. Verifiable: Not only did I discuss Burma with my children, I shared information with my Bishop of my local Church/Ward, and other family members that I would in all Probability become a prisoner at Insein prison. Pertaining to what information Yvonne Yettaw may have expressed to the Tony Dokoupil, et al., (or whether Tony Dokoupil Accidently or Intentionally Misquoted Yvonne Yettaw) concerning the incidents in Burma, she received all of her information indirectly; namely, she questioned and received information from my children - and not from me. NOTE: Yvonne Yettaw confirmed with me and, had told my wife, Betty, and had told my older children, as well, that Tony Dokoupil had Misquoted her concerning several points in the Tramp article - she did not, though, identify which of her statements were accurately or inaccurately printed; furthermore, Betty and my older children confirmed that Tony Dokoupil misquoted them, as well (this being in spite of noted objections concerning inaccuracies). According to Wikipedia, the essence of Actual Malice may be established based on the following: "Since proof of the writer's malicious intentions is hard to provide, proof that the writer knowingly published a falsehood was generally accepted as proof of malice, under the assumption that only a malicious person would knowingly publish a falsehood." From my position in the matter, Tony Dokoupil made serious information-gathering mistakes by relying on my ex-wife as reliable/credible single-source in his Defamatory and False Light "Tramp" article - not failing to mention his heavy reliance on Weasel Word and Anonymous sourcing, in light of accusations that he habitually misquoted several of my family members. Any aspect/portion of Yvonne Yettaw referencing that she and I talked about Burma is False and Misleading. The "trespasser incidents" (inaccurately) mentions that I flew to LA to meet with my ex-wife. For issue of Fact, I flew to LA on my way to Thailand, I scheduled a two-day lay-over, in Los Angeles, so I could fly to Seattle for business and do a quick return and then on to Thailand. I did not meet with Yvonne. I did not talk with Yvonne except (as a courtesy call) to confirm that our 13yo son and I had arrived in Los Angeles. Our 13 yo son had accompanied me to LA and to Seattle and back to LA so I could spend additional time with him - As a matter of fact, Yvonne Yettaw and Doris Brochu and I mutually agreed that our 13yo son would remain in LA (after we flew back from Seattle) to stay with his maternal grandmother prior to summer vacation and prior to the other children arriving for summer vacation to stay with Yvonne and her family. As an issue of Fact and issue of Wikipedia:Verifiability, I did not "abandon" our any of our "four' children as Yvonne Yettaw had openly misinformed the media - more evidence for discovery of False Light and Defaming information, per Yvonne Yettaw and Tony Dokoupil's statements. John Yettaw JohnYettaw (talk) 10:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)]76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)]
Whether she is accurate is another question
[see previous comments. John Yettaw JohnYettaw (talk) 10:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)]
, and both statemtns indicate that the bipolar is merely her spcualtion
[NOTE: as well as: insult and injury. John Yettaw JohnYettaw (talk) 10:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)]
, no medical diagnosis of this having been made, according to the same statements. Acccordignly i will remove the bipolar comment as too weakly sourced to remain
[Thank you for having removed the information. John Yettaw 76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)] 76.3.49.224 (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)]
I would like to try to consolidate the discussion about deleting this article into a few concise statements so that editors such as myself can understand them. I would like to know the opinions of any concerned editor. I think the article should be deleted.Jarhed (talk) 23:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Is anyone willing to simplify the above. I am a bit slow at behind-the-screen Wiki-techi-language. I simply want information about the ASSK trespasser incidents and the JWY bio to be correct Wikipedia:Verifiability and adequately sourced with non-Propaganda... non-False Light... and non-Defamatory reporting. I appreciate everyone's patience in this matter. JohnYettaw (talk) 04:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
This is a single event bio and should be redirected as per Wikipedia:PSEUDO#Pseudo-biographies to the article Suu Kyi trespasser incidents about the event. Off2riorob (talk) 14:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, we are discussing changing this article to a redirect to the incident page. The reason is that this BLP meets the criteria for one incident notability. So far, we have three interested editors who agree with this: Justme, Off2riorob, and me. Does anyone disagree with this? The editor I think we most need to hear from is DES.Jarhed (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
On second thought, Jarhed, let me squeeze-out a few thoughts to fill-in a few Gaps in between day 1 and day 30. Let's this post be written under the heading: "Strictly For Expanding Insight": Which is to say... given the fact that what you and others wrote in the articles Publicly deals with my life and the lives of each of my children... and does not directly affect you or your family. Moreover, and expanding the following View of Perspective quite a bit: I am certain that taking 30 days to clean up these messy and inaccurate articles Doesn't Affect in-any-way... any-of-you Wikipedians or any of your families. You are not writing about you... so who gives a Vernacular Crap if the inaccurate statements continue to exist longer than NOW. Jarhed: The more I consider your come back that I return in "30 days"... the more I think 30 days to clean up the problems on the "JWY" and "Incidents" articles would be a very generous amount of time on my part... and an excessive amount of time on Wikipedia's part. JohnYettaw (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
More than simply a Rhetorical Question... but Literally how many hits "do you" suppose will be generated from Now until adequate and sufficient corrections have been [Rightfully]] posted on the articles? FYI: When I typed in "Suu Kyi trespasser incidents" (just now - approx. 11:28am) the following numbers of hits was posted: "Results 1 - 10 of about 806 for San Suu Kyi trespasser incidents. (0.24 seconds)"... But when I typed in "Wikipedia John Yettaw" (just now - approx 11:30am), the following numbers of hits was posted: Results 1 - 10 of about 240,000 for Wiki john yettaw. (0.25 seconds)." I am not an analyst nor a statistician and am, therefore, not in a position to determine an approximation of just how many hits may have been recorded since the Wiki "JWY" bio was first posted on-line for the world to view... (millions-upon-millions perhaps... and perhaps a few millions more)... nor am I able to tabulate an approximate figure on the hits that have been generated since the introduction of the "Incidents" article first appeared to viewing? Information that I have posted with Wikipedia that is not only inaccurate but the sources Wiki has quoted - specifically from Newsweek is considered by me to be Libellous. JohnYettaw (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I am going to ask that you rescind/reconsider/recalculate the "30 day" proposal - as I have seen changes occur much quicker time-frame since I've started posting my objections on screen and behind the scenes. I want you to know that I am holding fast to the notion that you and the others will do your best to [[expeditiously] consider my stated objections as being Verifiable... and therefore, Justified. JohnYettaw (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
May I suggest that the "incidents" article be reduced to publications that do not include statements by Yvonne Yettaw that were printed by Tony Dokoupil. FYI: Articles published by Maria Fisher, as quoted by Yvonne Yettaw, contain statements that are not accurate (e.g., Yvonne is quoted as stating that "she" divorced me - a minor issue on the surface... but in the over-all context in association with other statements in other articles... this I assert... many of Yvonne Yettaw's statements simply reinforce Prima facie evidence of False Light... and in some instances Defamation JohnYettaw (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
There is one thing that I find utterly objectionable, that Yvonne Yettaw stated that I abandoned my children. As a matter of fact: I left my children under the supervision of family and friends of the family. For the record... Yvonne not only had full knowledge about the support system... she was the one who suggested that the children stay with her son, Craig Dehner. Not only did Yvonne Yettaw have knowledge of the support system... she gave her approval and suggested that the children spend time with her son. Fact: Yvonne' son, Craig Dehner, was one the family members where the children stayed. FACT: My children were Not left unattended.... nor simply "left with friends." The children had cells phones... AAA... ATM... Cash... Medical Coverage... and most importantly... FAMILY - my children were not left unsupervised. Yet, Yvonne Yettaw (and Doris Brochu)- in some local articles stated that I had left the children "unsupervised." FACT: Statements that are knowingly False equate to Slander... and when the false statements were published... it became [Libel]] and in this case... False Light, as well. JohnYettaw (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
As a matter of courtesy to my family to my children's sense of peace (as their their fellow students also read Wikipedia and make on-going comments)... please... if you would, quickly put a swift halt in perpetuating inaccuracies. I am not trying to simply Fix my bio... I am asking you to help reduce the PAIN Caps that I have to live-with knowing that so many False Statements that my ex-wife and her family have spread in the press is still being perpetuate on Wikipedia. What I have shared in each post on Wiki (and in this talk page) is Verifiable. JohnYettaw (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
To be clear: I am not limiting my objections only to what has been quoted (or misquoted) by Yvonne Yettaw that are untrue and unverifiable on her part, there are many articles that have been printed/posted as propaganda and there are inaccuracies that were and still are lost in translation due to complications existent with language barriers. JohnYettaw (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Let this message represent evidence of delayed reaction in response to "30 more days" of uncomfortable feelings of having to deal with the weight of wrongful statements available for viewing on Wikipedia in hundreds of counties. Just Something for all of you to think about over the course of the next "30 days"... while me and my family waits for relief. JohnYettaw (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Please confine your talk page comments to discussion of the article.--Jarhed (talk) 17:19, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, we are discussing changing this article to a redirect to the incident page. The reason is that this BLP meets the criteria for one incident notability. So far, we have three interested editors who agree with this: Justme, Off2riorob, and me. Does anyone disagree with this? The editor I think we most need to hear from is DES.Jarhed (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)--Jarhed (talk) 15:38, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I would like to ask all of the editors working on this article to please make their statements brief and to the point. I want to work on this article, and I do not have the ability to parse your long posts.--Jarhed (talk) 17:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
The Voice of America's English language website does tend to completely downplay the "God made me do it" angle that Mrs. Suu Kyi's lawyer had emphasized from the start; so credit must be given for their seeming even-handedness there, in my opinion. But, be that as it may -- and also to cut Newsweek some slack: the VoA's Ronnie Nyane did post a video news clip about your background on May 31, which predated Newsweek's, um, "interesting" profile of you of June 17. And, the VoA's piece, in the Burmese language, also takes a long tour of the unoccupied site of your under-construction, 16,000 sq.ft. house on the 160-acre parcel, just as Newsweek's written piece did. Newsweek, of course, used the then-unoccupied property to cast you as a character from the movie Deliverance! Mr. Yettaw, you apparently often spoke to the court in Yangon in rudamentary Burmese rather than through an interpreter. Could you provide us a rough translation into English of Nyane's piece?↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 20:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Dear Justmeharenow, I have not as yet reviewed Nyane's work on VOA - but I will take a look and think about posting a response. With reference to the allegation that I "often" spoke "rudimentary" Burmese in court... I happen think my "Burmese" is rough and limited - much less than "rudimentary"... but when some of the Intelligence personnel, et al, in Insein prison conversed with me in foreign languages several of them remarked that my "Burmese" matched my opinion... but, that my skills in Mandarin (specifically, Putonghua and Guoyu, used when visiting Northern China)... and my Cantonese skills (used when in Hong Kong and Southern China) was merely "jian dan" (simple)... but, interesting enough, some thought my skills in Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, German, Portuguese, Italian, French, and Spanish, were adequately marginal... but many did say that my Pig-Latin was exceptional. It's amazing what a "Dumb... sonofabitch" (as Wikipedian Mandsford wrote about me within the Wikipedia community) can learn about languages. Now with reference to "Deliverance" the movie... as a long shot... and in the spirit of the Speculative-Rubbish] published widely in the press... Are you thinking that maybe the producers and the director allowed Missouri "Tramps... Misfits... or "Dumb... SOAB"s to play parts in the movie Deliverance? ... or are you intimating that some of the Burmese members of VOA and the ruling junta secretly think I live in Georgia? I say this in the spirit of sarcasm and parody because some of the things published in the press... and re-printed in the "incidents" article is Seriously nothing but Garbage. JohnYettaw (talk) 02:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC) As a suggestion: please consider reading: "The fundamental unreliability of America's media: The proliferation of anonymity ensures pervasive falsehoods." Written by Glenn Greenwald, published on 10 JAN, 2010, on salon.com - retrieved on 16 JAN, 2010: (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2010/01/12/media/print.html). JohnYettaw (talk) 02:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC) Note: My issue is not with VOA... nor at this juncture with NewsWeak... my concern at this time involves the manner in which Wikipedia contributors portray the "incidents" article via use of misinformation. Thank you for your creative input and valuable time... all-of-you. JohnYettaw (talk) 22:17, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
seemingly contradicts/deviates from Wikipedia's "Five Pillars."
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The only issue under discussion on this article is whether to convert it into a redirect to the incident article. There are three editors who think it should be converted to a redirect: Justme, Off2riorob, and me. DES has given us his opinion, and he thinks that it should not be a redirect, but he doesn't think that his opinion will prevail. I think he is right, and I think that we should make this article a redirect to the incident article. If anyone disagrees with making this article a redirect to the incident article, please state your case here.Jarhed (talk) 00:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I think it should be deleted and not redirected but I suppose its relatively harmless to do a redirect. In no way shape or form does Mr. Yettaw pass the notability requirements of having his own article.
Using the example of Chesley Sullenberger , Mr. Sullenberger was notable for other achievements before the incident for which he became famous. Not the least of which was a long and distinguished career. That long career was a segue into the event where he applied his training to save 155 lives. There is nothing to note even from the subject himself (who has helpfully contributed to the effort) that he passes this test. 97.97.33.30 (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2010 (UTC)