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Lead needs work

The lead section is far too ho-hum, and does not summarize why Davis is notable.

Memoirs

I remember him publishing his memoirs, titled 'The Breaks Came My Way'. I don't know if there are any reviews of this book. Valetude (talk) 16:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Televised Century

Markham Wildman (i.e. Mark Wildman) made a televised century break in November 1960. However, a contemporary newspaper report (Sports Argus - Saturday 12 November 1960, page 3) says he was the first amateur to do so, "and the second player - Joe Davis being, of course, the first - to have ever done so." So either the century against Pulman (mentioned in the article) was before this rather than in 1962, or Wildman was the first, or there was an earlier televised century by Davis. (Or the sources are wrong about Wildman being first.) Can anyone confirm which? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:56, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the claim that Davis made the first televised century from the article. Everton (Guinness Book of Snooker, 1981) says "Two amateurs, Mark Wildman (1962) and Jonathan Barron (1963) made century breaks on television before any professional did." Morrison (Hamlyn Encyclopedia of Snooker) also says it was Wildman who made the first televised century, and also has 1962. There is some confusion over the date but based on sources I've seen, it was Wildman first. Other internet sources may be taking the BBC video of Davis (or this Wikipedia page) as the source for Davis being the first. If anyone can clear this up, thanks! BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:04, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sections removed

I have removed "Steve Davis, who held the record for most professional tournament wins and himself is generally regarded as the beginning of the modern game, has stated that if he could play against a player from the past, it would be Joe Davis, to "find out how good he really was".[1]" - Steve Davis does say in the book that he would like to play Joe "and see what he was like and to see what his standard was" but I don't see that him really singling Joe out when talking about other greats there. Also "generally regarded as the beginning of the modern game" would need a source. Please add this back in if it can be sourced.

I've also taken out "Davis is widely perceived as one of the greatest players of all time by enthusiasts and fellow professionals, including five-time World Champion Ronnie O'Sullivan.[2]" and replaced it with a quote from O'Sullivan's autobiography referencing one of Davis' books. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:36, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 13:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the ((done)) tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

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Prose

Lede

Expanded and rewritten. No doubt it can be improved further BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General

Early life
 Done - if I've amended this in the right place. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - changed word order, added that there was a billiard room. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - split into two sentences and added "open." Will be a bit more explicit about invitation event vs. open championship if needed. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - Davis' own book is wrong. He beat Lawrence in the semi-final and Dennis in the final. Changed source, included score. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - amended name here and a bit later. Looks like it was generally referred to in the press as the "Professional Championship"; Everton's History of Billiards has it in the list of champions as the "BA&CC Championship" from 1920 to 1932 and the "World Professional Championship" from 1933 to 1973. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Snooker
 Done BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - please see whether this looks OK now. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Does this work? I tried not to overcomplicate it. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - the Daily Mirror in 1978 says he had a heart attack, but I didn't find that in any other sources so have omitted it. I've used Everton's 2012 book as the source. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Legacy
 Done but may need tweaking. The event wasn't called the world snooker championship originally but is recognised as such now. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - I've reworded the earlier reference to handicapping, as well as this. May need further work, I'll await your advice. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Changed. I don't have the book but I think Callan was making a claim for Joe Davis as the best of all time to that point - this would include him being the better of him and Steve, so the amendment made is safer. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Other
 Done BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Cite_book#Identifiers says "include [ASIN] only if standard identifiers are not available." I've changed one but can't find a different identifier for the others. I considered links to British Library records but the urls are horribly long. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Comments

Sorry about the delay BennyOnTheLoose - see above comments Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:48, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Lee Vilenski, all very helpful observations. I've made quite a few changes but expect there may well be further items to-do following this. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I understand you may take this to FAC? I'd have some further comments then (mostly improving the lede), but as for now, it's fine for GA. Well done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lee Vilenski Many thanks for your constructive review. Yes, I think Joe is important enough that FA should be the target, so all further observations very welcome. I think his snooker career and the legacy section could do with more expansion, as well as the lede. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Steve Davis autobiography Interesting 2015
  2. ^ Ronnies Snooker Hotshots DVD 2004 Top Ten greatest players

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:10, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by BennyOnTheLoose (talk). Self-nominated at 11:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

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Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Recently elevated to GA status so it passes newness, there aren't any unsourced sentences, and I see no plagiarism, neutrality, or grammatical problems. I approve ALT0 as being the only unbeaten person is more interesting. Jon698 talk 14:44 19 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see an inline cite for the hook fact in the article. Yoninah (talk) 20:59, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Yoninah thanks for looking at this. I have made a small addition to the article, adding the 1927 to 1946 period into the same sentence as the unbeaten statement, but I'm not sure if that addresses your concern. I am, of course, happy to make any further changes as necessary. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @BennyOnTheLoose: yes, that does the trick, thanks. Do you want to use the more encyclopedic "undefeated" instead of "unbeaten"? Yoninah (talk) 21:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you. Restoring tick per Jon698's review. Yoninah (talk) 22:07, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox (number of titles)

As there is no mention of ranking tournaments in the article, nor link to explain what they are here, I'd suggest it's better to omit "Non-ranking: 24" from the tournament wins section. Davis retired from snooker decades before the ranking system. The total of 24 also omits his billiards titles. (See also Talk:Walter_Donaldson_(snooker_player)#Infobox) Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 December 2022

Joe Davis → Joe Davis (snooker player) – The announcer, who is the voice of the World Series, Los Angels Dodgers and does NFL games is the primary topic. Google Joe Davis and the announcer is clearly the primary topic. The announcer also receives many more page views. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 14:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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