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Removed the first-sentence reference of the refusal of 'parental authority' as an indicator of insanity- having problems with your parents is a symptom of being a teenager, not of being insane. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.51.200 (talk) 08:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
A recent discovery of "Indigo Children" has given another context to the term "insane", redeclaring the long-thought ideology that the ones deemed insane by society are truly gifted by God, and misunderstood among the unbelieving masses.
. . . Huh? What is this supposed to mean? 65.116.19.243 19:53, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I think people who believe in indigo people should have to take care of these gifted people and be responsible for their actions and well being. If the "insane" or the "gifted" person commits a crime under the believer's care, then the believer is liable to receive the same punishment as the offender.
If Abby says your insane then you automatically are insane. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.245.249.133 (talk) 05:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Pat Robertson is linked on the page. Although I wouldn't necessarily disagree with the implication, it seems a bit...politically motivated. An abuse of Wikipedia, if you will. 11:04 a.m. Friday, Nov. 3, 2006
use any bigger words and you'll make me feel even more intellectually inferior.
although mental health is a fascinating subject. Hey, insanity is not the disease!, sanity is! (yes, i am serious)
Hey folks,
I "object" to the "multiple uses" of "quotes" in this article, and also to the use of the pronoun "you", so I've slapped the article with a cleanup. -- — I. Neschek | talk 21:31, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
maybe I missed it, but does it actually have what insanity is? the definition seemed to be pretty vague (first line) -Vellocet Malchickawick
I must oppose the proposed merge to Criminal insanity. The latter concept is deliberately more restrictive than common speech. Typically, criminal insanity is determined by a subject's ability to distinguish right conduct from wrong conduct. On this basis, for example, Jeffrey Dahmer was found not criminally insane. Notwithstanding this decision, it is common practice to consider Dahmer (as well as anyone else who stores human heads in a freezer for later elective consumption) insane. To eliminate the fundamental distinction which gave rise to the stricter legal definition is inaccurate and misleading. Xoloz 11:06, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I support the merge with Criminal insanity. The reason for my choice is: the term "Insanity" only exists under legal standards, and not under psychological standards. Although many people may consider individuals suffering from schizophrenia to be insane, they are not. (That is, unless they have provided clear and convincing evidence during the course of a criminal trial). ILFoxtrot 19:07 hrs, July 20, 2005.
I oppose the merge. Insanity can be a civil or a criminal matter depending the nature of the person's problem. Not everyone who is deemed "insane" has committed a crime and that is why mental health legislation has separate parts to deal with people who have committed a crime, opposed to those who have not. Saying that, criminal insanity is an inappropriate and stigmatising term (as is highlighted in the article). If the article needs to go, perhaps it could be incorporated into the article on forensic psychiatry, instead--Vincej 12:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Oppose on the grounds that criminal insanity is a specific legal concept, while "insanity" is a much broader, general concept. I'll readily admit this article is hardly complete on the matter, let alone well researched, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have an article on insanity in general just because the other articles are easier to write. The argument that "the term 'insanity' ... [does not exist] under psychological standards" is a red herring. Who says either criminal law or psychology need to be the final word on it? Insanity as a concept existed long before anything resembling modern psychology or psychiatry, and criminal insanity is specifically restricted to the question of whether a suspect is culpable. There may yet be something somewhere this article should be merged with, but I don't believe criminal insanity should be it. In fact, now that I look at the articles, I doubt whether criminal insanity (or as it currently redirects, criminally insane) should be an article at all, rather than a redirect to insanity defense, which is a lot more... sane, pardon the expression. I do not think this article should be merged with that, either. JRM · Talk 18:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I oppose the merger. As stated before, criminal insanity is a different definition than "regular" insanity, and I'd think that this would be better merged into Mental illness vice Criminally insane. Regardless, this article has merit and needs to be Expanded, instead of merged.--Mitsukai 17:12, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
I oppose the merger. Criminal insanity is about the popular stereotype of violent psychosis, which is far from what insanity is about. To merge the articles would be to suggest that all insane people are also violent, something which is very clearly wrong. They talk of two different things, and one of the two might not even exist as it is portrayed. (The criminally insane article) -- Harpalus
Oppose for the reasons stated above. They are different things. i support the merge of insanity and sanity they explain each other and they both need help.
I Oppose, but perhaps the opposite should occur: Sanity should remain the title of the article and insanity should be merged into it. --216.233.171.165 21:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I Oppose on the pure and simple basis that Sanity =/= Insanity, and therefore their respective articles should be kept separate. Besides, Insanity/madness are antiquated terms, whereas Sanity may easily be used in a modern context.
I oppose the merger of sanity into this article. LLBBooks 10:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Oppose. I think, the final word on this has to be that sometimes the prefixes "in-" or "un-" do not signify a partition into directly opposite meanings. (Has anybody else ever wondered how many people there might be that do not exactly possess an intuition for language logic?). I will now remove the merge tag once and and for all hopefully. -- Kku 08:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
One might remark in here that in Shakespeare's day people evidently thought that the correct way to cast out the demons was to torture the insane person until the demons felt like leaving. Thus in As You Like It III.ii., he has Rosalind say:
"Love is merely a madness, and, I tell you, deserves as well a dark house and a whip as madmen do; and the reason why they are not so punished and cured is that the lunacy is so ordinary that the whippers are in love too."
See also the somewhat harsh treatment that Malvolio receives in Twelfth Night because he is suspected of being insane.
See also the article on Psychiatric hospitals#History of psychiatric hospitals.
The German article on this topic is a featured article, and appears to be significantly more thorough than this one. Unfortunately my German reading is passable at best, and not up to the task of translating an article of that length and complexity. Can anyone with better German move over some of the good parts of that article that are missing here? We have pretty good articles on the more specific medical and legal topics of mental illness and criminal insanity respectively, but the cultural-historical-sociological aspects of insanity are poorly covered on the English Wikipedia. --Delirium 21:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
There's an asterisk * with no note- am I missing something? It's after dippy.
These days, if someone says that they hear God speaking to them, they are medicated and institutionalized. Before mental disorders were addressed this way, such people were made into prophets and the like, whose teachings some of us still follow today. If we were to meet them in the street, however, we might say that lithium is in order. William Blake and John the Baptist sound a great deal like schizophrenics, Catherine of Siena was bulimic. Perhaps something about the cultural shift involved there might be good to have in this article?MerricMaker 05:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I've deleted the Gaming section under the impression that it's patent nonsense. I've never heard it used this way and I do a LOT of fragging. The only uses I've heard are within the "foolish" catagory, indicative of performing deeds so nominally unlikely to succeed as to indicate that the doer of said deed must have been somewhat lacking in sanity in order to attempt such a thing, in spite of its success (or not, as is most often the case). C.F. Crazy Good. 207.177.231.9 15:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
When one queries the word "batsh*t," Wikipedia's search engine redirects to the insanity article. Not sure of the relevance, but I found it humorous. --67.177.170.218 23:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
<-- Now redirected, which has fixed all the former redlinks above. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 00:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Insanity is often used to mean irrational, or not behaving in one's own best interest. Or behaving in random ways. The following quote is not an example or alternative definition of insanity-- Notice Thoreau is suggesting the man IS NOT INSANE, but only SEEMS to be insane (to some). This use of insane is illustrated by the following quote from Henry David Thoreau's A Plea for Captain John Brown, an essay supporting the well-known militant abolitionist:
Many, no doubt, are well disposed, but sluggish by constitution and by habit, and they cannot conceive of a man who is actuated by higher motives than they are, accordingly they pronounce this man insane, for they know that they could never act as he does, as long as they are themselves.
I have deleted the quote. The links to other Wiki articles here, also, do not elucidate anything about different views of insanity or historical perspectives on insanity but simply link for the sake of being linkable.
Quotations or better yet, citations that elucidate "insanity" as behaving randomly, unpredictablely, would be more appropriate. Cuvtixo (talk) 02:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Insanity is never a mitigating factor so I removed that section. Perhaps this stems from a confusing of "insanity" with "mental disorder". Insanity is a purely legal term when used in courts of law in the United States and has no medical meaning. Insanity can be used as a defense and if successful, the person legally is not guilty. Mental disorders, which are terms medical/psychological conditions, can be used as mitigating factors. Mattisse 18:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
It may be time to semi-protect Insanity. Virtually all the edits in my watchlist on this page are vandalism and rvv's; it is a frequent target for IP vandals desiring to bash someone (e.g., Insanity is John). This isn't the most active page, and with all the vandalism, it doesn't leave us much time to improve the article. Thoughts? --Mizu onna sango15/水女珊瑚15 17:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
First sentence: "a danger to HIMSELF and others"? What, women don't go nuts? 220.235.171.197 (talk) 17:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is this even in the article? This is only one quote mentioning insanity, not a collection of well known quotes doing so. And even if it were a collection of well known quotes regarding insanity, it still would have no place here. It's completely irrelevant that Albert Eisenstein said this.
I think quotes from famous people enhance the experience of an article. This particular quote defines the topic of the article, and oh, it is by the smartest man who ever lived. Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 16:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Consensus? You mean the people that don't like the addition out number the people who don't have a strong opinion either way? You are wrong. Just because some who think they control this area are outspoken doesn't make a consensus. The addition is relevant, very notable, and verifiable. The edit will stay unless found otherwise in a formal dispute. Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 17:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Ohnoitsjamie has appeared again. Stalking my edits. Please! Can I get some relief from this admin? Will someone investigate this guy and expose what he does to editors? Please? Is there an admin that cares to look into the way this ohnoitsjamie follows me around like a fat ex-girlfriend? His RULING is always the opposite of whatever I say. Isn't this wrong? Jeffrey Pierce Henderson (talk) 19:15, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
An apparent version of this article on Insanity (beginning "Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder typically stemming from a form of mental illness.") appeared in this film at about 55:33. The Hogarth engraving of Bedlam can be seen. There are two typos, "sever" for "severe" and "sympton" for "symptom" though! Шизомби (talk) 20:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
i feel the need to say *diddo* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.184.35.235 (talk) 20:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
that is all, maybe a section with picassos blue period and PKDs VALIS or movies, faucaults book some religious depictions etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.158.136.36 (talk) 18:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Could I suggest changing the name of this article to "madness" and making it about the social, as opposed to medical or narrowly legal (as in insanity defence) definition of madness? Freekra (talk) 04:09, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Senile Insanity : States of mental enfeeblement are always the result of failure of development or of structural changes in the cortical grey matter of the brain. If the enfeeblement is due to failure of development or brain damage occurring in early life, it is spoken of as idiocy or imbecility. Every form of insanity which occurs after a certain period of life is apt to be regarded by some observers as senile, but although the failing mental power may color the character of the symptoms it cannot be regarded as correct to designate, for instance, a recurrent form of mania as senile merely because it necessarily manifest itself in a subject who has lived into the senile period. On the other hand, many persons first suffer from mental derangement at an advanced period of life without at the same time manifesting any marked failure of mental power, while others only manifest their insanity as a result of the decay of their mental faculties."
http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/SCY_SHA/SENILE_INSANITY.html
What about adding some Szaszian criticism to this article related to madness and/or the insanity defense? EME44 (talk) 06:38, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but one into sickness. Anger, gluttony, lust, pride, sloth are all the symptoms of mental diseases. Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.” Thomas Szasz.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 18:01, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Nobody should pushWikipedia:NPOV, right? Gill run H20 (talk) 17:38, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
"A notable example has been the use of the phrase 'insanely great' in the launch of the Apple Macintosh, subsequently also used to describe one of its developers." What relation does Apple have with insane people? Besides, its citations prove nothing, merely that the word "insane" was used in that sense in one particular situation. It would be much better to find perhaps a source from a thesaurus or a similar source indicating that "insane" has become a slang word for good. I suggest removing product references until this is done. 93.139.75.10 (talk) 21:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Makes no sense to have a separate, poor, page on sanity. Neurohz (talk) 21:04, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Then again the issue is should it all be under 'sanity', since that's the concept of which insanity is an aspect? Neurohz (talk) 21:39, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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The term "barking mad" redirects to this article. A redirect disambiguation hatnote should be added pointing to the article for the television program Barking Mad. 2600:1702:4C0:9B60:3169:6D85:26F3:31F3 (talk) 05:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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Insanity is a psychological inconsistency independent of behavior. Jahansen.28.28 (talk) 23:05, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Madman (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 13:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Context:
“Another Latin phrase related to our current concept of sanity is "compos mentis" (lit. "sound of mind")”
I assume this stands for “literally”. Is this a known term I’m not familiar with? I feel that although it isn’t indecipherable, enough readers wouldn’t “get it” that a change could/should be warranted.
Thoughts? UsersLikeYou (talk) 11:45, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Crazy 24.147.46.144 (talk) 05:13, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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