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172, that's a massive amount of work you have put in, but I cannot imagine any but the most dedicated reader wading all the way through it. The sections you've added on economic history provide useful information, but are very difficult to read and far too long to be in balance with the rest of this entry. I imagine that someone will come along and chop them out again before too long. It would be much more helpful if you were to (a) condense them by about 50% and work on readability (in particular, removing Marxist jargon, which most people do not understand), and (b} move them to a more appropriate location, such as a seperate article on economic history, which can be summarised on this page, and then linked to for those who want to follow the ideas in more detail. Tannin
Better yet, why not write an entry called something like "Economic history of Europe & North America, from Napoleon to WW2", and then link to that from each of the histories you are filling up with verbiage at present? No point in telling the same story five differebnt times. Tannin
Ah.
I take back what I said months ago to Tannin. I'm coming back to this article and trimming that all down (just not tonight). After around 5 months I have a better idea what kind of content makes for a good article. I think that ny more recent contributions (even very long ones) have since been much more reader friendly.
A couple of things you could bear in mind as you go:-
- Wales itself wasn't a kingdom, mainly in that it contained a number of mutually independent principalities. The nearest thing to a Welsh kingdom was in fact Cornwall until the English conquered it not long before the Norman Conquest - it was distinct and under one ruler, and at certain times was counted as a kingdom, e.g. under King Mark of Cornwall. It was even called West Wales. Wales is generally thought of as a principality or (rarely) a province.
- The Corn Laws weren't particularly part of a colonialist/mercantilist economic approach. Rather, they favoured landowners in the home country, and the home country's strategic need for self sufficiency (a need that declined with increasing certainty of sea power and trading security). Effects on Canada etc. were incidental. So, the Corn Laws were mercantilist without being colonialist.
I hope that helps. PML.
I did not add the sections pertaining to the Corn Laws, but I will make the necessary adjustments to those sections when I revamp this article. Thanks for the suggestions.
172, that's a massive amount of work you have put in, but I cannot imagine any but the most dedicated reader wading all the way through it. The sections you've added on economic history provide useful information, but are very difficult to read and far too long to be in balance with the rest of this entry. I imagine that someone will come along and chop them out again before too long. It would be much more helpful if you were to (a) condense them by about 50% and work on readability (in particular, removing Marxist jargon, which most people do not understand), and (b} move them to a more appropriate location, such as a seperate article on economic history, which can be summarised on this page, and then linked to for those who want to follow the ideas in more detail. Tannin
Agreed this is a lot of work I've put the economic bits in a seperate article called the Economic History of Great Britain. Wouldn't it be a nice idea to remove the text that's covered there and link to the Economic History of Great Britain from the History of the United Kingdom? I'm a newbie so I don't want to do this myself.
To put a pedantic point here, surely the history of the United Kingdom is the history of the constitutional arrangements - Acts of Union and suchlike - and the social, economic and cultural history is best covered in the history of the constituent nations.
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sorry, i've just deleted the text box with the links to other British history pages and am not sure how to get it back so if anyone finds it please restore it! thanks --Cap 21:43, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
pre 1800
UK
I've now copied passages from the History of Ireland and History of Northern Ireland pages but they probably need a bit more editing to make them fit better into a history of the UK as a whole.
This page should be renamed Political history of the United Kingdom or merged into History of the British constitution, as other than some tiny sections it only dicusses the political evolution of the UK. It doesn't even mention the Second World War, for instance. - SimonP 04:57, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
I have created Wikipedia:WikiProject History/Status, which has some notes about what needs to be done to make this article featured. Please add other suggestions and see what you can to help. Tuf-Kat
There are a bunch of articles listed randomly at History of Britain that point to elements and periods of UK/British/English history but nothing chronological or really even serial. It would seem really fitting to have a more comprehensive series on the history of the UK focused on the United Kingdom as a unit, but none presently exists.
And, with due respect, this article collapses the history of the UK into the relationship of the UK with Scotland and Ireland, rather than the UK as the UK. There is virtually no discussion of the UK's external relations - France is mentioned only once, Germany is never mentioned, even though this history ostensibly covers the World Wars. Was that the intent? If so, where does such a discussion go? Adam Faanes 01:48, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I've put something in because it could not go on without it for a long time; needs to be shortened. Everybody is welcome. --Cethegus 16:23, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
This is an excessively long page. It may be good for it to be split up. ThisDude415 2006-03-10
The article Thatcherism contains the line: "This personal approach also became identified with a certain toughness at times such as the Falklands War, the IRA bomb at the Conservative conference and the Miner's Strike." -- I'm making links, but I'm unable to find a Wikipedia article corresponding to "the IRA bomb at the Conservative conference." Can anybody find this and make the correct link in Thatcherism? - Thanks. -- 201.78.233.162 20:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
What on earth is this very specific account of very, very recent events doing in a generalist article such as History of the United Kingdom? I mean, WWII is only mentioned as a ref point and I think WWI is skipped completely, and even the IRA bombings (much more extensive, many more dead over the years, included assassination of politicians) are dealt with much more compactly than this. I propose losing the entire "terror plots" § and leaving at the one-liner in the "Tony Blair" § commenting on decrease of IRA activity vs increase in Islamic extremist activity. The Blair § could also do with work - this is supposed to be UK history, not specific Blair history. JackyR | Talk 00:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
What aspect of the article is disputed in terms of it's neutrality? OK it's a bad article needing work, but I see no disputs on this page. If there are none, the header should be removed. Jhamez84 22:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Please make UK-history-stub synonymous with the UK-hist-stub. "hist" is not intuitive. Other history stubs accept "something-history-stubs". I don't think they use "-hist-stub", but I don't know, because "-history-stub" has always worked. I tried all kinds of combinations of UK, England, and British with "history-stub" and nothing worked. So I was left with just "history-stub" which created work for other people who know about the "UK-hist-stub" magic. Whatever possessed someone to make such an obscure stub template and not also make the synonym? Hu 01:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Aldux I re-added it, with the proper understanding from where the text is originally from they were from inscriptions. --Vonones 06:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering if it's completely appropriate to state in a template that an article is "too short for something so important," so to speak. Is this a misuse of the template? The Last Melon (talk) 05:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
If anyone can help, still needed is an article about the History of the Jews in Wales to complete the History of the Jews in Europe. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 12:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The meaning of the abbreviation "MP" as used in this article is not immediately obvious to readers outside the UK. I had to look up the meaning after dismissing the possibility that it meant "Military Police." I'd like to see someone with more subject knowledge than I remedy the situation. 72.215.57.194 (talk) 21:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
What's the Tony Blair section all about? It just has some whining about the Iraq war and ID cards, not to mention it's all unreferenced. In terms of the History of the UK both pretty un-notable, we've had plenty of wars that aren't mentioned, and as for ID cards, we actually have to wait for Orwellian Dystopian future to happen before we can write about it. If anything it should be about the Scottish parliment forming and maybe the Northern Ireland peace process. I'm gonna remove it unless someone can think why I shouldn't. Ryan4314 (talk) 00:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I've tried to reorganise and remove duplication but I wonder if maybe a more radical approach is required. How about we remove all pre-1707 stuff and have links to History of Scotland/ History of England instead? Then we can truly focus on history of the United Kingdom as a country in its own right. Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 19:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I tried to add a small bit to lead but it was reverted - 'more Scottish than UK history' - I don't agree as the Jacobite Risings were about who should be king of the whole country (not just Scotland). Considering that the very national anthem ('God save the Queen') was written as a response to the Jacobite risings, I do think it was a very important part of our history!
I'll revert the revert once only and if it is changed again so be it. 86.157.162.157 (talk) 21:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I've read this article over several times this evening because it didn't seem right and I wasn't sure why - I now think I know. It appears to me that the 'partition of Ireland' section should stop after partition leaving the rest of the material for a later section on the troubles. Later, the section 1945-97 seems poor - I think that title should go and 'the troubles' should go in there.
I'll make the changes and anyone can revert if it seems too radical. Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 22:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Is "partition" the right way to refer to the process by which the Irish Free State left the UK? Wouldn't "secession of the Irish Free State" be more accurate and NPOV? Irvine22 (talk) 00:23, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Anyway, here's a highly reputable source: http://books.google.com/books?id=QmgRDV-cKFIC&pg=PA1174&lpg=PA1174&dq=%22secession+of+the+Irish+Free+State%22&source=bl&ots=dXC8IDzANR&sig=iyKPnJYufbD7N_Pbp2ddUa6k-6M&hl=en&ei=NSn2SvmNJ4HQsQOex6QT&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22secession%20of%20the%20Irish%20Free%20State%22&f=falseIrvine22 (talk) 02:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZhAXt8bPF8MC&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=%22secession+of+the+Irish+Free+State%22&source=bl&ots=lc5jCbQNjB&sig=zS2IaMxZWufSfP75TXNTUa-NoZo&hl=en&ei=cyv2Sp3FFYXasgOPvJm1CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CCAQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22secession%20of%20the%20Irish%20Free%20State%22&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irvine22 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, so the sources above seem to have quieted RepublicanJacobite's objections. I intend to go ahead and change the section title to "Secession of the Irish Free State", after allowing suitable time for further comment.Irvine22 (talk) 00:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
The article cites the CIA factbook, but there is a challenge to this and dispute at Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act 1927#Parliamentary title, which says The 1927 Act did not change the title of the United Kingdom explicitly. Rather, it did this by changing the title of the British Parliament. Section 2 of the Act changed Parliament's title from the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland to the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Historians generally retrospectively date the coming into being of the modern United Kingdom to December 1922, when the Irish Free State seceded, even though the formal change of title did not occur for another five years. Despite the change of name, the Act provided that there would be no change in the numbering of Parliaments. Thus the legislature then in session continued to be the Thirty-fourth Parliament, and its successors have been numbered accordingly. headed by
People who know about these things might want to sort it out. --Red King (talk) 01:04, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Here are some headlines im doing —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kobe Eames (talk • contribs) 02:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Can we possibly get some consensus on the adding of current events, so as to avoid this article with history in the title from being used as a blog or chronicle?
"Britain fought and won two major wars against France and its allies, the War of the Austrian Succession (1740-1748), and the Seven Years War (1756-1763)." That is wrong !! Britain did certainly not win the War of the Austrian succession. France and its prussian allie did. The famous and decisive Battles of Fontenoy (1745) Maastricht (1747) and many more saw French armies vainquish anglo/netherland/austrian strenghs. The war ended by the treaty of Aix la Chapelle in 1748, with Louis XV, clear winner of the war (militarily speaking), as he conquered many lands in austrian netherlands. He surpisingly decided to show goodness and retrocede those lands back to Austria without any counterpart. French people and armies did not understand nor appreciate that decision as Voltaire said the famous line : "working for the king of Prussia" meaning : "work for nothing, not be paid for our efforts" as France won the war but couldn't take the most of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Townsley (talk • contribs) 22:14, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
User:Sabrebd and anon editors have disagreed upon the wording of the last paragraph—discuss here. Chernyi (talk) 22:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Ghmyrtle, are you claiming that no sources exist for devolution and/or independence movements within the UK? Obviously you have read the news in the last month or so regarding Scotland (that in itself represents significant history). I understand this is a history article, and history is a fairly conservative field for the most part, but I can't help but observe it is this kind of attitude and inability to engage that is fuelling the SNP's electoral success. Chernyi (talk) 13:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
The role of the lede is to summarize the article, not present minute details based on OR. I trimmed a lot of it down. Rjensen (talk) 04:18, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Appeasement section areas believed to require changes: 1:....(a weak nation), the Adolf Hitler... (should be then) 2:....The League of Nations proved a failure in....(was unable to) 3:...and finally Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain stood firm....(Use of finally) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thunderfire70 (talk • contribs) 03:33, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Current sub articles:
Could History of the United Kingdom (1922–Present) be created, then move all information on this page to the relevant sub article and have 3 sections on this article summarising each sub article? Just a suggestion as the two current sub articles appear to be summaries of each period, with this article covering each period in much more detail. Surely sub articles should cover each period in more detail then an overview article? Regards, Rob (talk) 22:43, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
To be honest, I have always seen this article as redundant. Content that has to do with the 1801-1922 period should be in United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, historic content of the post 1922 period in the main United Kingdom article where the History section currently covers events which have nothing to do with this 20th century entity. The Roman conquest and the Norman invasion in a modern state article? Dimadick (talk) 19:04, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
List_of_tributaries_of_Imperial_China#Qing: Great Britain (1793, no tribute presented in 1795, 1805, and 1816) Erieadieu (talk) 08:22, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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