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For the time being I redirected this page to Zionism. It was intended from the start that the Zionism article should get a summary of the history of Zionism. However this has not yet happened though and the Zionism article, including the history part, has developed further. Originally this article was a copy of the Zionism article. This article has only had some spelling corrections and addition to some categories. I added the categories to the Zionism article. I propose that after somebody has written a summary of the history of Zionism in the Zionism article, this article is revived with the relevant parts from the Zionism article. --JaapBoBo (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Since the Zionism article developed further I copied the relevant content from that article here. --JaapBoBo (talk) 23:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed this 'suggestive' text, which in my view should not be in the article:
It suggests that the mufti was anti-semitic, although this is not warrented by the statement in itself. Therefore it is original research (see WP:OR). It is also not NPOV. I trust that an editor who wants to reinstate it will also put the text below in the article.
Telaviv1 (talk) 15:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems the above has been overlooked. --Ludvikus (talk) 20:02, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure the fact that the first woman in the Polish Parliament was a Zionist belongs here somewhere. As does the whole topic of faminism and Zionism. I am not certain that I put it in the correct place.Elan26 (talk) 11:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Elan26
Just reading the biography of Baybars, he does come across as a pretty ruthless character, but I see nothing which justifies the claim that he adopted a deliberate strategy of devastating the country. I am aware that the Mamluks adopted a strategy of slighting fortifications, but this is not quite the same as general devastation, since it has sometimes been adopted by e.g. Robert the Bruce, Oliver Cromwell who did not have a strategy of general devastation. Of course, Palestine may have been badly affected by the Crusade period without this being anyone's intention. PatGallacher (talk) 21:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
"In 1917 the Russian revolution gave Jews equal rights as individuals but the Bolsheviks, partially inspired by Karl Marx's antisemitism, were particularly intolerant of Judaism and sent thousands of Zionists to the Gulag"
This comment does not adhere to Wikipedias principles of neutral point of view and verifiability. The article does not provide references to evidence that proves that Karl Marx was anti-semitic nor does it provide "all significant views that have been published by reliable sources" concerning Zionism and anti-semitism in Russia. For example, the Jewish Bund who were very important in the shaping of Jewish opposition to anti-semitism in Russia during this period are not mentioned. Nor is there any information about the anti-semitic pogroms carried out by the White Army who the Bolsheviks fought against. Leading members of the Bolshevik Party were Jewish and it is important that any accusation of anti-semitism against them is backed up with evidence. In order to preserve a neutral point of view the reasons why many Russian Jews did not support Zionism and became socialists should be represented in this article if accusations of anti-semitism and intolerance of Judaism are being made against Marx and the Bolsheviks in a Wikipedia article about the history of Zionism.
Spectralis (talk) 04:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Some of what you say is untrue. The text provides a link to material on marx's antisemitism (a well known issue) and a reference + quote is provided regarding persecution of Jews in the USSR (this can be expanded). The Bund are discussed further on in the article under the subject of opposition to Zionism (you clearly did not read on) and figures are provided regarding the relative size of zionist, bund and bolsevik support (something you have probably never seen before). the article is about zionism not socialism and there is no need to enter a deep discussion on the issue of the Russian revolution. The White persecution was indeed terrible but the article is not just about Jewish history and is already very long. If others feel the whites hsould be mentioned then I will insert something.
Telaviv1 (talk) 08:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
On second thoughts I will over the next week insert more material on the persecution of Russian Jews before the revolution.
Telaviv1 (talk) 11:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I can't see a mention of Yehoshua Hankin in the article. Any thoughts/suggestions on where it would be best to add a mention about him? JaakobouChalk Talk 13:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I checked your points and concluded that while a lot fo sources say he held am SS rank the ranks given vary and the sources do not seem consistent. The US Holocaust Museum does not give him a rank and their account sounds reliable and detailed. As you can see I have noted the existence of the claims and referred people to the Holocaust Museum site. Please note that there is no intention to mislead. He was (like Zionism for others) a bogey figure and people easily believe bad things when it suits their prejudices.
Your edits also suggested the Western Wall was a "historic moslem site". If you believe this then please provide reliable sources pre-dating the 20th century as Jewish sources say the Mufti invented the claim to try and rid them of the wall, which was/is their sole property on the temple mount. The Jews were able to provide photos from the Ottoman period of them worshipping at the wall.
Telaviv1 (talk) 16:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Your text is very poor quality. I also question why one person deserves such a large amount of material on this page.
Zerotalk 23:22, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
He attracts a lot of edits and tends to grow of his own accord... It was a while back that I read the minutes and I did not read them cover to cover. The references are correct but it is possible that I missed things. It owuld be helpful if you told me where you saw them (just to verify that we got them from the same source). I will try and get someone to retrieve a copy so I can verify the point you are making. I will check out the Raziel stuff and reduce the size of the Mufti material. His role in the Farhud may be disputed but he did play a role. I am not sure what "serious history books" you are referring to. I found statements saying both things but think that the US holocaust museum is a reliable source and will probably go with their version.
Telaviv1 (talk) 17:14, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The article claims:
Maybe I am missing it, but I cannot find such a mitzvah listed in our own list or in several other lists [1] [2] [3]. So on balance I don't believe it; am I wrong? 00:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
This article is only about Zionism and issues closely related to Zionism. Rjensen (talk) 00:09, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
"There is also evidence that he was active in promoting the Nazi extermination program.[Lewis (1995), 351.]" -- the source is not identified. What is it and what does it actually say? These words are just useless insinuation. Zerotalk 10:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I used a reference from Kuntzel who gives examples and documenatary references. Mostly the Mufti worked to prevent JEws from being sent outside of Nazi controlled areas. Towards the end of the war, when everyone knew the JEws were being systematically killed, there were a number of deals to rescue Jews which were proposed, the Mufti and I think the Saudis (who had influence in washington) worked to scotch them. I don't think the British were interested in them either (I think there is a good Tom Segev reference to that effect) Telaviv1 (talk) 17:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I read this article to confirm or refute a claim that my father made to me in the early 1960's about Zionism. This claim was that the British, anticipating much of the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Arab world, proposed to the Zionists that the Jewish State be founded in Africa instead. The Zionists, of course, rejected this idea out of hand. Is there someone who knows about this?
As I was reading the article, I started to wonder how much of this history would be accepted by thoughtful Arab historians. Having been brought up in a secular Jewish-American household, I have become aware of the considerable self-congratulation among the Jewish community. There is also an ongoing strain of self-pity about persecution by those awful goyim. I sense a little of both of these attitudes in the tone of this article, even though there seems to be some effort towards NPOV.
Since Wikipedia is fast becoming a true encyclopedia of record, I searched it for "Uganda Jewish State". Sure enough, I found the article British Uganda Programme documenting the truth of my father's claim (He was even right that present-day Uganda was proposed, among other reasons because it was otherwise thinly populated.). I have decided to make a note of this important, but little known fact in the article.
Oops! Someone beat me to it! Thanks. Eweinber (talk) 18:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
The change of central aim of Zionism that the article mentions was announced in Biltmore Program (May 1942); currently the article links it with the holocaust (timing wise), was the holocaust the highlight of Biltmore Program? (was the holocaust the conscious drive for the change, or was it maybe something else? what is the highlight of Biltmore confrence?) --Mayz (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
The "Biblical precedents" is unsourced and appears to be entirely irrelevant to the topic. The Exodus and the return from Babylon are not part of the history of Zionism. Why are they here? Zerotalk 13:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
This was added:
The source given was "Raymond P. Scheindlin, The Song of the Distant Dove: Judah Halevi's Pilgrimage, Oxford University Press, 2008". However that book argues against this interpretation of HaLevi's poems. Scheindlin mentions this interpretation and then seeks to refute it. In Scheindlin's opinion (pp. 59ff.), HaLevi is imagining the time of the coming of the messiah, not calling on his contemporary fellow Jews to return to Zion.Zerotalk 08:16, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't Judah HaLevi be mentioned _somewhere_ in the history of Zionism?deisenbe (talk) 16:29, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
It seems exceptionally uncritical, even propagandistic, to me, a non-religious anti-imperialist. I wonder how it would seem to an anti-Zionist Jew or a Palestinian Muslim or Xian.12:32, 17 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.17.62 (talk)
A student editor has created a draft, Draft:Jewish Nationalism in Antiquity, which is closely related to this page. If anyone is interested, it would be helpful to have some feedback about that draft (please don't bite the student, by the way). Smmurphy(Talk) 17:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
This article could benefit from a more detailed analysis Herzl’s personal response to the Dreyfus Affair. The arc of his disillusionment regarding cultural perceptions of Judaism would function as a nice illustrative microcosm of the larger cultural climate of Jews reacting to anti-semitism in this manner. These sentiments espoused by Herzl and others directly influenced the start of the Zionist movement, and I believe this article could use some elucidation in this area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas744 (talk • contribs) 02:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Thomas744, what source do you plan to use?Chapmansh (talk) 22:51, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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Why does this article mention Beitar only once? seems a bit odd. Sm8900 (talk) 14:58, 15 May 2023 (UTC)