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I think, some of the additions from Jan 2007, have to be overworked. Though most of it is great, some contributions are driven by personal taste. This includes the selection of works in the appendix, the attribution of Enescu's music as being "neo-classical", "neo-baroque", or "late romantic" (that indeed has been discussed in books and articles, but not agreed upon), the overestimated influence of Romanian folk music and of the doina (there are in fact very few doinas in his works), and so on. Describing the "the special character" of some of his works as "childlike sense of immediacy and intimacy" is too subjective for a Wikipedia article.
Perhaps there are some opinions?
Thanks, Varatec
Varatec, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
09/24/06 - Linkspam (cf. Schissel's remark in 08/27/06). Does the Wikipedia article really need three external links to CD reviews? And the Enescu Festival and Competition in Bucharest is a general music festival, not particularly devoted to Enescu. We should have a separate article about the festival, but not a link there from a George Enescu biographical article. What do you think?
What does 'one of the greatest interprets of his time' mean? I didn't want to just go in and change it to 'interpreters' in case it should be something else, but if someone is more confident of what the original writer meant they should go for it...
I think it should be changed into 'one of the greatest performers'. The Romanian word 'interpret' translates into English 'performer', so probably the author of this page made a confusion.
One of the greatest composers of all times. Greatly overlooked: a situation reminiscent to that of Timo K. Mukka in literature. A situation, however, which Gidon Kremer has done somewhat to correct. RCSB 20:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Musicologist Sigmund Spaeth, in his book A Guide to Great Orchestral Music, mentions a third Romanian Rhapsody in g minor. I also once heard one of WQXR's anouncers introduce what he said was "the first of Georges Enesco's three Rumanian Rhapsodies." I have never found any recordings of it or any other references to it. Are these people mistaken or does it in fact exist?
Kostaki mou 02:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
There is no 3rd rhapsody. Sometimes the Ouverture on Romanian Folk Themes from 1948 is called a "third rhapsody", though, of course, it is not.
I really can't figure out how come this section is missing. He made some of the most important recordings of the last century. It would be a shame not to even mention a couple of them. Also, a short biography (a real one, not just a mere time-table) wouldn't hurt.
Monitort (talk) 11:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
FYI... here's an image that can be added to the article if anyone is interested. Also, it would be nice if one of the images of Enescu was chosen to the the main image at the top-right of the article. DavidRF (talk) 04:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I do not understand wikipedia. This article is rated as of low importance. Such an extraordinary violinist and teacher of great violinistis of the XX century (Menuhin just as an example)...
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This is a Start-class article; it is missing significant sections of musicology that a composer article should have. My detailed review is on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 01:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Our article on Leroy Anderson states that "In 1925 Anderson entered Harvard University, where he studied … harmony with George Enesco"; yet this article makes no mention of Harvard, nor indeed of Enescu visiting the USA at all. Should it? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:36, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I have changed the name in the caption of the photo from Elisabeth of Wied to Queen Elisabeth of Romania, since that is what it says on the photo (in Romanian). I don't expect any objection. P0mbal (talk)
However - there may be a paucity of sources in English. The Grove, of course, is there. It's a sticky business using sleevenotes and reviews as Reliable Sources for Wiki. I've recently begun to "dig in" to this composer, and the more info on him here, the better. Do we have any Rumanian or European classical fans here that are fluent in the Rumanian language that could utilize non-English sources for the article? The local university here is very scant on any info on this man, so I imagine the "best" or at least the most exhaustive sources are from Rumanian musicologists. HammerFilmFan (talk) 20:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan
Streaming in on the Klara Continuo music service from Belgium, I just heard:
George Enescu: Prelude en Fuga in C: [Movement #] 1.Prelude - Luiza Borac; piano - AVIE AV-2081 [08:55]
Looking up the AVIE recording, there are a few piano pieces that are not included in the article. Feel free to remove my comment before or after the additional pieces are added to the article. Thanks for your help. Best luck, Nei1 (talk) 14:34, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
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==Composers Project Assessment of George Enescu: 2009-01-31==
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===Summary=== This is a flawed article. It contains a very basic sketch of the composer's life, and lists his works, with a very basic mention of his style. There is little mention of how he made his living; personal details are also relatively limited. There is no significant discussion of the context in which major works were written. There is no critical or popular appreciation. More importantly, the lead contains assertions that are peacock language. They may be true (or not), but this article doesn't show that. Article is Start-class; significant factual coverage lacking. Magic♪piano 01:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC) |
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