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This article has serious issues and should possibly be demoted from FA. Does anyone agree? dannymusiceditor Speak up! 14:24, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
As a long since passed FA, this article has several problems.
I see lots of referencing and content issues throughout. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:06, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
It truly infuriates me that he is gone and everyone thinks of him as another one who committed suicide. We know that there is a very good chance that Elliott did not commit suicide and the person responsible has been free ever since. Nobody deserves to have their death labeled as suicide if they did not do such a thing but either way they need to figure it out. Just the statements I've heard from friends of his and Chibas recently are disturbing and it needs put to rest. From people that knew her they have even talked about her obsession with knives . I guess I'm just wondering if anybody else has heard anything about the case or if anything changed. Forescity (talk) 03:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
I think the story about the fall/jump at the start of the 1998–2000: XO and Figure 8 section should be clarified. It's not so easy to say it was a suicide attempt as this article implies. The few times that Elliott talked about it he sometimes implied it was an accident and sometimes a suicide attempt. In 2013 The Guardian reprinted a Spin article in which Elliott said
"But, um, yeah – I, uh, jumped off a cliff. But it didn't work. It was in North Carolina or somewhere. It wasn't like I made up my mind to throw myself off a cliff. I got freaked out and started running, it was totally dark, and I ran off the edge of a cliff. I saw it coming up, and it wasn't like, 'I'm gonna throw myself off this cliff and die.' It was just, 'Ground's coming up. Who cares, whatever.' I landed on a little tree, punctured my, you know, body. It just made a really ugly wound." https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/16/elliott-smith-rocks-backpages
Since this is often used to suggest Elliott later committed suicide, I think it might be worth using this quote in full in the article itself.
Dorien Garry also supposedly discussed the event in more detail in the book Torment Saint. I have not read the book so I cannot confirm this, but this is a supposedly an extract from it concerning the fall. According to Garry the fall occurred on June 22, 1997 in a cul de sac in the town of Chapel Hill North Carolina. If it's true that the fall occurred in 1997, it means that the reference to it should be in the section before hand.
"As they came to the stop Elliott threw open the back door and bolted. “He was incredibly drunk and embarrassed” by the crying, Garry says, “and I don’t think he even realized what he was doing.” The impulse was simply to run, to put some distance between himself and the car and the people in it. To be alone, in other words. Garry recalls, “There was a drop-off at the end of the cul de sac that Elliott did not even see, no one could see it.” So, without clear intention or any true sense of what he was in for, Elliott ran off the cliff"
https://obscurelliott.tumblr.com/post/68323355500/the-true-elliott-smith-cliff-jump-story-torment
--14.8.68.2 (talk) 02:18, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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There were no hesitation wounds, which are typically found on a victim of suicide by self-infliction. There is no basis for this claim that hesitation wounds are typical. There is no reason for this assumption to be included in the article. Research and see many experts say that it is a false assumption. 2600:1702:21E0:4080:B0AA:21DD:4532:D691 (talk) 17:29, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
I feel like this page is too relevant not to include in the wiki but amn't sure, thoughts? NotQualified (talk) 20:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Where is the discussion of him being murdered instead of a suicide? It's not mentioned in the article here? It was a huge deal when he died. I remember driving in my car as his death was reported on the radio as his girlfriend killing him. Even if she didn't do it, the story should be addressed as everyone I knew believed it for years. I mean, listening to his lyrics and his biography he probably killed himself, but the controversy should have a section since it was such a big deal at the time. It seems odd to be completely ignored in his page. Ansarya (talk) 02:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
https://www.avclub.com/elliott-smith-clementine-tom-bergeron-morning-show-1850307551
elliott rejected the folk label, should we remove the terms or are these subcategories better? i feel like we should add punk but want general consensus NotQualified (talk) 23:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)