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DOGS COME FROM EARLY FORMS Wolfs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffg1011 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC) Just Noticed That There is an interesting fact about dogs that hasnt been written, its the fact that according to new research that all dogs desend from the grey wolf - provided from natioanl geographic documentory animals in the womb.. Gleno101 01:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
The section on dog communication is longer than the Main Article it links to. What is there is mostly cc'ed. If there are no objections I will move the content to that article and leave a summary here. Robogun 01:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I didn't see ANYTHING in the article mentioning how dogs use scent to mark territory. 71.132.232.118 08:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Larry 10 FEB 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.132.232.118 (talk) 08:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
dog is affraid of cats —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.44.191.110 (talk) 17:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I am doing a science experiment about whether most dogs prefer to use their left paw instead of their right to complete everyday tasks for school.I also have to write a research report.I could not find one article about dogs brains or their functions.Consider adding this kind of article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.83.166.28 (talk) 01:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC).
Why do pugs stick there tongues out all the time?
Why do dogs lick their anus? That is the question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.28.226.130 (talk) 16:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Why can dogs do tricks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.215.129 (talk) 04:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
For dogs to become ill when eating chocoalte they have to eat at least their weight in chocolate. *NOTE: This is an untrue and dangerous statement. Dogs can become ill and die from even a small amount of chocolate depending on how dark a chocolate it is, and on the dog's age and state of health.
Regarding the health of vegetarian dogs, I found a very appropriate example to back up the information. Please consider adding, after the 6th sentence (or wherever you see fit), the following sentence and citation:
In 2002 it was revealed that Britain's oldest living dog (age 27) ate an exclusively vegan diet typically consisting of "rice, lentils and organic vegetables"[1]
("Vegetable-Eating Dog Lives to Ripe Old Age of 27" Canine Nation. Published: 2002-Sep-18 http://dogsinthenews.com/issues/0209/articles/020918a.htm) *NOTE: Although this claims to be a news story, the The only sources for this seem to be vegan home pages and people's blogs. It would only be worth including if a reliable and verifiable source could be provided.
Joseph 72.94.198.129 01:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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You have to decide if the domestic dog should be called "canis familiaris" (which means that the dog is an own species) or "canis lupus forma familiaris" (which means that the dog is a sub-species of the wolf)- "canis lupus familiaris" is wrong. If you want to call the dog "canis lupus familiaris", you have to add the expression "forma"; this would mean that the dog is the domestic form of the wolf.
The version of evolution/ development of dog species and varieties contained in the "dog" article is factually incorrect. It is based on the earlier "Science" article that proposed multiple origins from wolves. That is now discredited by the same authors in their more recent "Science" article, as summarized in the version contained in the "origin of the domestic dog" article, which should be used instead of that currently in the "dog" article. OccDoc 23:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I want to explain why I reverted the edit about corn and wheat, since the editor is concerned about why it was reverted before. The first reason is that I don't think it's necessary to say that corn and wheat aren't inherently toxic - I don't think that there is anyone confused by that. Second, I wouldn't consider Petyourdog to be a reliable source. Third, the website seems to suggest that feeding your dog food containing corn or wheat gluten is still a bad idea, so it doesn't support what the editor added. -Joelmills 16:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
This section is vague and offers no hard number regarding the variety of dog shapes & sizes. Sizes and weights should be noted for the heaviest dog (343 lbs) and the lightest dog (27 oz) to back up the opening statement ("Modern dog breeds show more variation in size, appearance, and behavior than any other domestic animal.") I have found a current source which lists all of the record holders here:
"Biggest dog, smallest dog, shortest dog, tallest dog" (Canine Nation. Apr 15, 2007) http://dogsinthenews.com/stories/070415a.php
Anyone object to replacing the caption on the photo in the Dog Laughter section? It is not very good at the moment. 66.19.242.87 10:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I need to know how long dogs usually live. 66.19.242.87 10:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Intelligence section could benefit from some scientific and anecdotal examples. One very important and unique characteristic of Canis is its ability to process numbers. Please add that in Aug 2002 researchers determined that dogs have the innate ability to count, an ability which had hitherto been observed only in primates (see article published in New Scientist "Secret lives of dogs" 2002-Aug-03 http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17523542.800-secret-lives-of-dogs.html). To back up this theoretical discovery, it would be nice to reference last month's news report of a dog in China who displays the ability to count, add, subtract, multiply and divide numbers up to 10 (see Canine Nation "Mutt does math" 2007-Apr-27 http://dogsinthenews.com/stories/070427a.php)
71.185.67.169 14:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
If you're going to mention the variance in dog sizes, use the correct examples and back them up with citations. The smallest dog (Chihuahua) is 6" long. The tallest dog is not an Irish Wolfhound; he's a Harlequin Great Dane (42" to shoulders). That would give the article a bit less ambiguity. Read up here: http://dogsinthenews.com/stories/070415a.php
The present section has quite a marked pro-neutering bias. This should be corrected. The article Neutering gives a much more neutral view, which should also be adopted in this article.
Also, the phrase "the less developed countries of Europe" is POV, and insulting at that. Are the Scandinavic countries (some of which prohibit the procedure without a proper medical indication) to be considered less developed? What about Germany, Switzerland, the Benelux, France, Italy, Spain? The procedure is considerably less common in Europe than in North America (no argument about that), but this must not be converted into some pseudo-argument about developmental stages. --130.92.9.58 11:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I think that there needs to be a section about dog grooming within this article. I also think it's important to update the human companionship section to include the new trends: dog clothes, dog haircare and beauty products, etc. It seems that these things are becoming as important as diet to pet owners. Should this be a separate article?
LLRap 19:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how a picture of a Newfoundland dressed up in baby clothes is a proper illustration of working dogs. It's not even a good photograph, much less an illustrative one. Is there not a better illustration available? This is disrespectful to a magnificent breed. JoKing 14:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC) JoKing
VanTucky 21:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I just added a few fact tags to the recent addition to the spay neuter section. I don't doubt (and even strongly suspect) that most of those things are true to one degree or another, but statements like there is mounting evidence and now being attributed really need citations to back them up. If this evidence exists, then it should be easy to give a reference to it. I did add a reference for the presence of estrogens in dog food that may be high enough to have a biological effect, but I removed the statement:
It is the total estrogen load that contributes to the estrogen-related disorders of mammary cancer and pyometra and spaying simply reduces that overall load.
because that seems to infer that the dietary estrogens contribute significantly to the development of mammary cancer and pyometra, evidence for which I searched Pubmed and came up with nothing. I also removed the dietary advice, and the phrase perpetual puppy syndrome, because the only place I could find that phrase related to neutering was the contributor's own website. --Joelmills 03:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I've replaced facfailed, oldpeerreview and GA templates with single ((ArticleHistory)) template containing all information those previous templates had. But I was unable to find when was this article promoted to Good Article status or the revision id for the PR and FAC versions. Shinhan 12:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
With respect to the retention of juvenile traits, I disagree with the statement, "This is true of many domesticated animals, including humans themselves, who have many characteristics similar to young bonobos." First, humans are not domesticated animals, as they have not undergone artificial selection by themselves or any other being (in which case "including" would need to be replaced by "and". Second, the contention that similarities between human traits and those of juvenile bonobos are linked in this way, rather than being purely coincidental, seems highly speculative (and unreferenced). I would suggest omitting this sentence altogether.
Sfbergo 07:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
How about writing about "dog" people versus "cat" people, maybe near the end of the article.
Experimental evidence suggests that dogs are able to infer the mental states of other dogs and of humans, may thus be aware others have thoughts and mental states.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/03/AR2007060300960.html
--Calypsoparakeet 01:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The above section has nothing directly to do with dogs and there should probably be moved to a seperate article e.g. on animal behaviour. Then perhaps a single line mentioning that there's debate whether laughter in animals is comparable to human laughter. Nil Einne 15:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The sentence "Genetic research has identified 14 ancient dog breeds, with the oldest being the Chow Chow, Shar Pei, Akita Inu, Shiba Inu and Basenji." is just absurd. These are not the oldest breeds known. None of them resemble the wolf in the slightest. My reaction to this sentence is not from anything I've studied or heard from any knowledgeable person-- it's just a matter of logic. As breeds are spun off of the original, the earliest must resemble the original. These Chinese breeds are about as far from wolves as you can get... I hope someone with real knowledge can intervene here. JDG 14:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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I noticed that in [1] The dogs talked. I added that in the dog's intelligence.
Suggest removing this section. It is redundant as it is already covered word for word in the article Canine Reproduction As well, the description is graphic for someone looking for general information on dogs, as many kids will be. If people want this information they can look under the aforementioned article.
I recently did some extensive cleanup of the images in this article. Many of the previous images had little or nothing to do with the adjacent subject-matter, were quite poor photographically, or were placed in an odd or cumbersome way. Feel free to drop me line if you have any ideas or objections to the work I've done. VanTucky (talk) 22:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
The main image, besides being of much better photographic composition than the changed version, is of a Lab for one very logical reason: it is the most popular dog the world over. VanTucky (talk) 22:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
It may be helpful to read the introduction to Wikipedia for a good overview. thanks for letting me know you're new. VanTucky (talk) 22:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed your image from within the text of the Intelligence section for the following reasons:
VanTucky (talk) 02:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
The most appropriate place for the image in question in the Dog harness article since the dog is wearing a pet harness. Since that article did not have a photograph of a pet harness, the image improves the quality of that article. I have added the image to that article. In contrast, the image does not fit into this article, for reasons VanTucky stated above, or the Jack Russell Terrier (JRT) article. I removed the image from the JRT article for the following reasons:
--Coaster1983 00:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
This is just a suggestion and I would like to have some opinions. Some people use Wikipedia to find out information. There are also other people who visit this website to find free-licensed photos that cannot be as easily found on Flickr and a C.C. search. For example, I recently visit an educational website that said they had found all of their photos used on Wikipedia. So before we remove any more images from this page, can we consider starting a photo gallery at the bottom of the page for the type of people simply looking for a dog image? And even if we didn't want to do that, we could start a new Wikipedia page (dog photos, for example) and link to it at the bottom of this page for that type of people. --EvanS (talk) 12:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems odd to me that pictures of mixed-breeds get edited out immediately from this page. I would suggest you put the picture of the mixed breed back in. It seems there is a bias towards purebreds here. Mister Gallagher 21:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)Mister Gallagher
This looks good, however one of the images added was a cross-breed, not a mixed-breed. "Designer dogs" such as the Goldendoodle are deliberate crosses. See wiki article "Dog hybrids and crossbreeds" for further information. Mister Gallagher 13:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I have recently began to contribute to this article, and I find it has many sections that contain potentially controversial facts without proper sourcing. As a user who has couple GA reviews under my belt, I was quite shocked to realize that the article continues to be listed (when taken in comparison to other GA articles). I feel the article should be delisted immediately, as the offending sections have sat unimproved (some with tags) for quite some time. I decline to delist it myself unless absolutely necessary, as I have recently contributed significantly. Though the entire article needs reviewing for verifiability problems, the specific sections that contain large amounts of unverified assertions are:
If the controversial facts in these sections are covered under general sources, they need to be footnoted or Harvard referenced. Also, other minor problems include:
I just wanted to add somethings to it like: in "hadith" is "one man was eating his food and by eating each bite he gave one to a dog az well prophit mohammad saied that God forgave all his sins for this act" and also hitting and bothering animal is strongly prohibited in Islam. Also here is some interesting things;
Unlike other dogs, salukis are not viewed as being "unclean" by the Bedouin. While saluki coats come in a variety of colors, the grizzled pattern is the most common and affords the most opportunity for a dog to bear the "kiss of Allah" or a white diamond pattern on its forehead. In Arabic countries most dogs are referred to as kalb (meaning dog) but salukis are referred to as salukis; this is because of their royal background and their 'clean' living habits, and is also due to their value (capital and sentimental). Saluki is an Persian(Iranian)/Egiptian Dog and A study published in the May 21, 2004 issue of Science confirmed the saluki's antiquity through DNA analysis, which identified it as one of the earliest breeds to diverge from wolves. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.242.5.168 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 31 July 2007.
i think dogs are awesome!
I have been working on this section. The picture I added, of Saint Roch, was intended to illustrate the Christianity section. Obviously, it would be hard to find a picture for the Islam section. I see the picture has been moved. On my screen (I am using a Mac with their browser) the picture now shows up next to the Islam section. Could someone fix this? Thanks. Steve Dufour 16:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm on OS X, and so far it looks to mostly be in the Christianity section. VanTucky (talk) 17:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems to be better now, thanks. Steve Dufour 19:13, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
We take our airedale terrier out on bike rides in the winter and spring ( temperature 5-15 degrees centrigrade) she can run for and hour and a half without any sign of fatigue or difficulty. What is the evidence that most dogs will be slower than humans in a marathon? DJKG 10:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
The organization of topics is scattershot. (E.g., Why is 'Diet" under "Behavior"?) I suggest all the scattered sections having to do with origins, evolution, and breed development be grouped under a single section, all sections about behavior and intelligence be grouped, all sections about reproductions, neutering, and population control be grouped, etc. Kelly Cassidy 14:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC) 24 August 2007
Jujumagumbo seems to think that the image of his puppy is more appropriate for the article. I strongly disagree. It doesn't show the entire dog, doesn't patently look very mixed, and is overexposed. The original image is framed well, of decent exposure and shows the entirety of a puppy which quite obviously is of mixed breed. Wikipedia is not an image gallery for user's pets. No reason at all was ever given for switching to the new image, and I can see none. VanTucky (talk) 20:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the whole-dog picture is probably better, however mixed breed dogs are so variable that no one picture can illustrate them. Is there a way to point readers to a gallery of mixed breed photos or to have an automated rotation of mixed breed photos? Kelly Cassidy 00:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I've got a question. Whenever i take a flash photograph of my dog, his eyes always turn up green, instead of the usual red in humans. Why is that? --AnY FOUR! 03:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
This is in the first paragraph of the Origins section:
Some research appears to show that dogs were domesticated from wolves as recently as 15,000 years ago,[2] or perhaps as early as 100,000 years ago based upon recent genetic, fossil and DNA evidence.[3]
The citation for the latter claim is just, "Vilà, C. et al. (1997)." Am I missing something or does the claim sound unlikely and the citation flimsy?--24.74.1.139 13:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
i know jim green ahgh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.216.208 (talk) 18:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised that there is nothing about the dangerous dog breed debate or sheep worrying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.179.158 (talk) 19:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I propose having a new picture in the textbox. How about these Bobisbob 21:52, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
These pictures are pretty good. I would prefer a black or chocolate dog, but one of these are good enough for a replacement. 69.179.60.86 03:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to add to the Dog Onomatopoeia table that the Polish dog onomatopoeia is 'Hau hau'. Unfortunately, I'm a new user and don't really know how to edit this page. SamaraNessa 10:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I want to add the basque onomatopoeia for barking: zaunk zaunk. Thanks. 158.227.18.167 (talk) 10:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The Indonesian onomatopoeia for a dog's bark should be "Guk-guk". The word "Gong gong" -- which is actually "gonggong" -- is the Indonesian word for "bark". (E.g. "menggonggong" is "to bark / barking", "gonggongan" is "(the) bark") I would like to change the entry, unfortunately the article is protected. -- Stanley Hendoro @ 203.27.145.109 (talk) 04:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone removed this whole section (without discussion?) in mid-January. I know that the material used to exist somewhere more appropriate but can't find it now. I've moved the material for now to bark (dog). Elf | Talk 07:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I took out some of the section that discussed dog ancestry but seemed to be about a fringe theory and was uncited. This is an interesting topic but a general encyclopedia article on dogs is not really the best place to carry on a debate about it. Thanks. Steve Dufour 16:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC) ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.78.192.254 (talk) 13:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
Rather than jump in and put my pic in the article I thought I'd leave it here on the talk page to see if anyone thinks it's worth including... --Fir0002 07:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
It looks like the dog sport section could be expanded on (based on the dog sport page contents). I'm new to this and didn't want to just start editing the article without first making note of it. How should I proceed?Angus77 (talk) 23:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)