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ARD/ZDF had a large audience share in the GDR but how widely was DFF viewed in West Germany ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.5.105 (talk • contribs)
(ri)Anorak2, you're doing a great job picking holes in everything I say on this talk page. You are aware that this is just a talk page and not the article itself? If you have concerns about the article, please fix them (sources are most welcome), but I'd like to request that you stop trying to pick a fight with me on this page over items that aren't in the article and thus are not worth you fighting over. Thanks. REDVERS ↔ SЯEVDEЯ 19:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Should the article not include a list of popular/well known programmes on DFF ? 80.229.222.48 08:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
"despite placing high-power transmitters in border areas, the GDR could not penetrate the whole of West Germany" Did ARD also deliberately place high-power transmitters along the border or was the widespread reception of their television services in the GDR purely as a result of "unintentional overspill" ? How about a map of "the two Germanies" indicating transmitter locations and how far into each territory reliable cross border reception was possible ? 80.229.222.48 15:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Did newspapers or listings magazines in either East or West Germany ever include programme schedules from "the other side" ? 86.112.94.153 (talk) 09:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Surely in order to receive Western television in the GDR (other than in places very close to the border) one needed a rather large rooftop antenna pointing West. Were people not worried (particularly in the 50's/60's) about the Stasi seeing them (or was it a case of everyone having one) ? Did the Stasi ever try confiscating aerials or restricting the sale of high-gain types ? 80.229.222.48 08:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
It is often stated that the use of SECAM colour in most Eastern bloc countries (including the GDR) was to discourage people from viewing Western programmes (which being in PAL would have appeared in Black and White on a SECAM set) even though colour TV's were scarce (and presumably expensive). However various Wikipedia articles mention that many people had converters or adapted TV sets to enable them to view the Western broadcasts in colour. How were these obtained given that one would assume that (state owned/controlled) shops in the East wouldnt have sold them and smuggling from the west was practically impossible ?
One would imagine that even for electronics enthusiasts a DIY convertor would have been difficult to produce given the difficulty in obtaining components (and books explaining the workings of PAL)
So how did they do it ? 87.112.88.106 15:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
On 15 December 1990, the ARD's Das Erste channel took over the frequencies of DFF1 Did ARD retain all the former DFF transmitters ? given that ARD was already widely available in most of East(ern) Germany surely this created a lot of unnecessary duplication ? 80.229.222.48 (talk) 19:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Some other sources give 1977 as the date when PAL-capable receiviers officially came on the market in the GDR. The same year that the authorities gave up attempting to jam RIAS. Was there any significant political event in that year which prompted a softening of policy regarding reception of Western broadcasts ? 213.40.116.222 (talk) 13:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
By the end of 1958, there were over 300,000 television sets in the GDR Roughly what proportion of radio and TV sets were manufactured in the GDR (or other Eastern bloc countries) and how much was imported from the West before and after 1961 ? 213.40.220.42 (talk) 15:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
The West version was discontinued by the ARD upon reunification; however, stations in the former GDR continued to play clips from the East's Sandman every night, and RBB still continues the practice.
KIKA also still have it. Not sure if its the "West" or "East" version though ? 213.40.219.27 (talk) 17:09, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
In its very early days DFF made some test transmissions using the D/K standard before reverting (around 1957) to System B/G but still (initially) using some oddball frequencies # .
Channel | Channel Limits (MHz) | Vision Carrier (MHz) | Main Sound Carrier (MHz) | |
---|---|---|---|---|
1 (Pre 1957) | 41.00 - 49.00 | 41.75 | 48.25 | Identical to old OIR Ch I |
2 (Pre 1957) | 58.50 - 66.50 | 59.25 | 65.75 | Identical to old OIR Ch III (Overlaps western channels E3 and E4) |
3 (Pre 1957) | 99.15 - 107.15 | 99.90 | 106.40 | Overlaps part of Western FM radio broadcast band (East Berlin 1953-57) |
4 (Pre 1957) | 144.50 - 152.50 | 145.25 | 151.75 | Overlaps 2m Amateur radio band |
1 (1957-1960) | 58.00 - 65.00 | 59.25 | 64.75 | Same video freq as pre 1957 Ch 2 (but 5.5 MHz sound) Overlaps western channels E3 and E4 |
2 (1957-1960) | 144.00 - 151.00 | 145.25 | 150.75 | Same video freq as pre 1957 Ch 4 (but 5.5 MHz sound) Overlaps 2m Amateur radio band |
3 (1957-1960) | 154.00 - 161.00 | 155.25 | 160.75 | Overlaps Marine VHF radio band |
E5 | 174.00 - 181.00 | 175.25 | 180.75 | Identical to western Channel E5 |
E6 | 181.00 - 188.00 | 182.25 | 187.75 | Identical to western Channel E6 |
E8 | 195.00 - 202.00 | 196.25 | 201.75 | Identical to western Channel E8 |
E11 | 216.00 - 223.00 | 217.25 | 222.75 | Identical to western Channel E11 |
[6] From 1960 onwards (West) European standard channels were adopted. [7] [8]
DFF 1 | DFF 2 | CCCP TP Program 1 TSS(SR)1 | area | |
---|---|---|---|---|
Berlin | 5H | 27H | 11V | Berlin region (Incl West Berlin) |
Brocken | 6H | 34H | ? | West DDR (+ parts of BRD/FRG) |
Chemnitz/Karl Marx Stadt/Katzenstein | 8H | 32H | 27 | Chemnitz area and Extreme South DDR (incl Czechslovak border area) |
Cottbus | 53H (Orig E4) | 43H | 8 | South East DDR (incl Polish border area) |
Dequede | 12H | 31H | ? | West DDR |
Helpterberg | 37H (Orig E3) | 22H | ? | North East DDR (incl Polish border area) |
Inselsberg (island's mountain) | 5H | 31H | ? | South West DDR (Incl parts of BRD/FRG) |
Marlow | 8H | 24V | ? | North DDR |
Schwerin | 11H | 29H | ? | North West DDR (Incl parts of BRD/FRG) |
Sonneberg Bleßberg | 12H | 33H | ? | South West DDR |
Dresden | 10V | 29H | 32 | South East DDR (incl Czechslovak border area) |
Leipzig Zeltz | 9V | 22H | 32 | Southern DDR |
Löbau | 27H | 39H | ? | South East DDR |
Magdeburg | 47? | 26? | 12 | relay |
Wittenberg | 11V | 55? | ? | relay |
Rhinow | 9H | 35H | ? | relay |
Freyburg | 7V | 35H | ? | relay |
Frankfurt (O.) | 11H | - | 6 | relay |
Gorlitz | 6V | - | ? | relay |
Auerbach | - | 28H | ? | relay |
Loebau | - | 39H | ? | relay |
Petkus | - | 36H | ? | relay |
Zuessow | - | 36H | ? | relay |
Hohbeck | ? | ? | 35? | relay |
Eisenhuettenstadt | 7H | ? | ? | relay |
Freyburg | 7V | 35H | ? | relay |
Kosero | 6H | ? | ? | relay |
Schoeneck | 6V | ? | ? | relay |
Suhl | ? | ? | ? | |
Halle | ? | ? | ? | |
Keula | ? | ? | ? | |
Mecklenburg | ? | ? | ? | |
Ronneburg | ? | ? | ? | |
Saalfeld Remda | ? | ? | ? |
Key Westfernsehen stations included:
ARD | ZDF | 3 | SAT1/RIAS-TV | RTL | Tele 5 | AFN | SSVC | TV5
| |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
System | B/PAL | G/PAL | G/PAL | G/PAL | G/PAL | G/PAL | M/NTSC | I/PAL | G/SECAM |
Berlin Scholzplatz (VHF)/Schäferberg (UHF) | 7 | 33 | 39 (SFB/N3) | 25 | 22 or 59 ? | 9V? | 29 | 41 | 31 |
Bungsberg | 50 | 21 | 47 (NDR) | 31 | 44 | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Dannenberg/Höhbeck | 43 | 21 | ? (N3) | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Torfhaus/Harz West | 10 | 23 | 53 (NDR) | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Hoher Meißner | 7 | 32 | 55 (HR) | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Kreuzberg (Rhön)/Heidelstein | 3 | 29 | 49 (HR) | 44 | ? | 21 | ? | ? | ? |
Ochsenkopf/Großer Waldstein | 4V | 23 | 57 (BRF) | 25 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Kiel | 5 | ? | ? NDR | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Hamburg-Moorfleet | 9 | 30 | 56 NDR | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Hannover | 8 | ? | ? NDR | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Coburg | ? | 22 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Neum¨ unster | 28 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Dannenberg/Zernien | 43 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Hoher Bogen | 55 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Rimberg | 57 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? |
Stations from Denmark, Sweden (B/PAL), Czechoslovakia and Poland (D/K/SECAM) were also receivable in parts of the GDR
Not sure how much (if any) of the above info people think should go in the main article ? 213.40.219.141 (talk) 12:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I can vouch that the information for the Berlin transmitters is mostly correct (I happen to know the channel no.s by heart). There is a list of all radio and television stations in Germany called "Wittsmoor-Liste" which could be used to verify the the correctness of the other channels. The current edition is online which is of course of no use for the pre-1989 situation. But I happen to have older editions in print at home which I could use to verify the pre-1989 channels.
Some minor corrections at this stage which I happen to know by heart: RIAS-TV was not a separate station, just a programme produced by RIAS which was transmitted for 1 or 2 hours per day on the West Berlin terrestrial frequency of SAT.1 which was therefore not available during those hours. So you can omit that column. Also DSF was never available terrestrially in Berlin. As far I know that channel didn't even exist in 1989. Channel E9 was never used terrestrially in Berlin anyway.
Another correction: TV5 used to transmit in SECAM/G.
Third correction: The channel serving the Soviet Forces in East Germany (whos name is obscure, I'm not sure if "TSS1" is correct) had its own network of low power transmitters, similar to AFN and SSVC in the West. So maybe it should be omitted from the list of main transmitters. Is it interesting enough to be listed here? If so there should be a separate table. Anorak2 (talk) 10:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
In the infobox it currently says that DFF was replaced by:
However, there are no sources and I think there's reason to believe those statements are untrue.
We know that DFF1 gave away to Das Erste on December 15, 1990, and that DFF2 then became DFF-Länderkette, which essentially took the role of West Germany's "Dritte" programmes until they started in January 1992. One can guess that the Dritte programmes took over the frequencies formerly used by DFF-Länderkette, but I don't have any sources. In the German article about ZDF it says that ZDF used frequencies reserved for a possible third East German television channel. I'm marking those statements with "citation needed" until this is cleared out. Väsk (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Please cite everything when you state facts. Wikipedia is not considered a source of facts without the evidence to support those facts. This needs to rectified so people can find out if this article is not just completely made up! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.222.120.22 (talk) 18:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
While attempts to jam Western radio/TV (other than RIAS pre 1977) were rare in East Germany there were localised instances of it in Leipzig during October/November 1989 when the Monday Demonstrations were taking place. Worth mentioning in the article if we can find a citation for it. 86.155.169.216 (talk) 14:03, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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