IOC english name Mew Gull discussion[edit]

Fair enough. Well, once we close off the discussion above we can sort out the gulls. Sabine's Sunbird talk 23:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC) I can't see there being much of a problem with Grey/Gray - but I've got a horrible feeling that any attempt to rename Common Gull is going to cause at least one person, somewhere to get very (and vocally) upset. In answer to Snowman - yeah, I'd be happy to start adding it to gull articles as it stands. If it's transcluded (as it will be - and as it is on this page), it can easily be edited later anyway... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

For gulls Mew/Common is the only contentious one as it represents that US/British division. Grey/gray is less of a problem as the IOC prefers Grey but states that Gray is acceptable in NA. I don't think there is a need for an amendment, I think the navboxes should simply reflect what the IOC list and possibly have alternate common names in instances where the alternate is very widely used. Sabine's Sunbird talk 23:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

<outdent> Fine in principle, two minor points

Oh, so *that's* how you do headings. :) I didn't think that it was that simple (I'd been looking for a specific heading field to use)... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 15:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The two are probably different species anyway...why not have two pages? Natureguy1980 (talk) 15:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I am neither from the US nor from the UK, and I found it confusing to find a name that is not the official IOC name. I have no inclination to either the US or UK form, as long as it is an official term and should be used in all places. The world is larger than either the UK or the US, and we should consider that standardizing on an official English term will be beneficial to the most number of people.

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:22, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Common Gull → Mew Gull – Wikiproject Birds has adopted the IOC nomenclature as its naming convention. It appears that a lot of informal conversation has already occurred regarding this species (at least since August 2009). Now formalizing the process here.....Pvmoutside (talk) 20:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support: For the record, I currently support the name being changed to Mew Gull. The IOC recognizes this species common name as Mew Gull currently, with no mention of a split using the common name of Common Gull. Other cases of IOC compromises have been created (see Great Northern Loon). In this case, Mew Gull is widely used in North America, and Common Gull is widely used in Eurasia, and the IOC has no compromise name. Wikipedia uses the IOC name for Common Starling for what North Americans refer widely to as European Starling. In the case of the gull, the IOC has chosen to use the North American english name, so until the species splits, I believe the species should be referred to as Mew Gull. In most or if not all cases, Wikipedia has sided with IOC names when species exist on more than one continent (see Hen Harrier, Black-necked Grebe, Horned Grebe, Great Cormorant, Common Merganser, Rough-legged Buzzard, Grey Plover, Red Phalarope, etc....Pvmoutside (talk) 21:10, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Species split[edit]

The AOS has accepted the proposal to split Larus branchyrhynchus from Larus canus. I propose a new article be made and the descriptions to correspond to the two distinct species. JoeMomma21 (talk) 19:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The IOC has tentatively accepted the change as well. The bird wikiproject uses the IOC as their reference. I usually make changes when the updates are fully accepted and are not drafts. The full acceptance should happen very soon along with a number of other changes. I usually let the drafts pass if anyone works on them early...It looks like the article for short-billed gull has already been created.Pvmoutside (talk) 22:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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