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In 1977, US pres. Jimmy Carter demanded the Pinochet regime to improve their poor human rights record and as a consequential action, the U.S. cut arms supplies and military aid to Chile among other countries' governments known to committed human rights abuses. For 12 years, Chile wasn't a full-fledged friend to U.S. diplomacy against Pinochet, the US CIA had an open role on installing him and the army to power. Chile isn't the only country with a mixed (pro-anti) view of America and its policies.
Today, the drive for capitalism or a "mixed economy" partially socialist in nature, is considerably a way for Chile to economically grow and improve. Right now, American tourists flock to Chile and U.S. business deals made Chile look tempting to make money, will there be Chileans loathe or dislike America/the U.S.? I love to visit there one of these days as it reminds me of California or the west coast, where I happen to live. There are similarities between here and Chile in climate and terrain.
Also the wikipedia article stated half the overseas Chilean population is in in Argentina) so it's not an error to say Europe used to, nor the US holds 2nd place in the current statistic. Emigration from Chile has slowed down, whenever the national economy is good and restoration of civilian rule, makes Chileans less eager to leave. May there be political stability at this time under Pres. Bachelet, a moderate socialist. + 207.200.116.197 redirected by 207.200.116.138 14:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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To understand the Chilean social and political development, it is necessary a deep vision of the socialist policy from the government since the President Eduardo Frei Montalva (DC) and its connection, like efect of a cause, with directions from PS and PC. I respect others opinions but see clearly a kind of "plan" to make of Chile a socialist country -"socialist" not like we understand today but understood like in the 1960's.Ear a kcid. More than a thesis, I see an evidence, confirmed after during the Allende's socialist government. I will work on this. GALVARINUS.201.239.176.92 13:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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As a Chilean what GALVRINUS says is true, the concept of a Socialist nation in 1970 was to reform, take lands away and kill whoever did not coopoerate. It is right to remember that the country by 1973 was getting ready to fight a civil war, why did over 500 AK-47 lay in the subterraneans of La Moneda when this was assaulted in September 11. There were various armed groups both by the right wing parties and the left wing parties. Adding to this, there is no evidence of free milk to children under Allende's government and worst even to whoever wrote it wrote it under ignorance of course there was no primary sources about this, and lets remember the lack of food back in those days and the use of the JAP card in order to obtain minimum resources, the large lines to obtain bread and other things were such a shame for the country, and apart Allende only obtained in the election a 36%, and plus he obviously was not going to leave the power once his period ended, he was going to shoot the complete arm forces in September 19, 1973 in Parque Ohiggins for the military parade which evidence was found few years ago when arsenals were found in areas that were reconstructed and fixed.
A 58% POVERTY? That Percentage is absolutely false, and is ILLOGICAL with a HDI OF 0.859 please eliminate that information. Antarcticwik 05:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
And the article here articulates that too. It doesn't say that 58% is poor, it says 58% is living "near or below poverty ", with the specific poverty figure given thereafter.
We have to be very careful on the way that Chile's national economy is presented, which is indeed a dragon of an economy, being one of the most progressive in Latin America, after Brazil and Mexico. But to go from there to an erred automatic association that this status of the national economy somehow translates to the wealth or poverty levels of the population itself is very troublesome.
The fact is, most Chileans do not have a share to even small crumbs of that delicious economic pie. In the case of Chile, not only does the country have a substancial proportion of the population living in extreme poverty (20%), but those who are not technically poor (38%) are also living in exremely critical financial conditions. What is hardly ever mentioned is that Chile's very very large consumer-crazy population (with this consumerism being the engine of the country's economy, but also mineral exploitation) does not own the money or products they consume. Chile has one of the most obscene consumer debt figures. The perception of an affluence or that most of the country's population has disposable financial means (note I said the population, not the economy, because the economy itself is indeed healthy and progressive) is just that, a perception. The utter majority of Chile's population does not dispose of dispensable income, yet Chile's consumerism hides that fact. It also contributes to its worsoning. Everything being bought by Chileans belongs to credit companies, and the debt already accumulated is titanic and an acute problem, and it just grows by the minute. Chile's vibrant economy can only be used to a certain limit to depict the country as a financial success if most of the country's immensely large consumer population is being powered by credit, and if this represents a population goinf from being in immense debt into an abism of debt. There are articles that deal with this phenomenon in Chile. I will look some up and post some links. Al-Andalus 21:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I insist, the economy section has nontrue information and its source is of political tendency of left, the left in Chile is opposes to the model of free market and distorts the information. the truth is that the poverty in Chile is of only 18%, and includes in that percentage from 18% a 5% of extreme poverty. Antarcticwik 05:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
That's a workable proposition. At the end of the day, the block heleped a bit, cause it forced Antarcticwiki into Talk. Something he has refused to do ever since he began contributing to wikipedia (even though he is still merely stating his already known opinions, still without sources, but it's a start.). Also, this doesn't cover the problem with Antarctikwiki constantly deleting the distribution of wealth info. That still has to be addressed. And also, the demographics section must be sort out once and for all. There is the problem with the comming to terms with the word "mestizo" that two users are currently having. Also, for neutrality, I've taken the liberty of exactly quoting what the Chilean gtovernment itself has to say in regards to the origin of the modern Chilean people, but it keeps being reverted. (Please visit CieloEstrellado's Talk page for a background to that issue) tAnd also needing urgent attention is the constant removal of the propensity of non-Spanish european migration to Chile throught it's history. The small level which it was keeps being removed and it makes the article suggest it was somewhat comparable to Argnetina, far removed from reality as the comparison would be. Al-Andalus 22:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Seeing that User:CieloEstrellado cannot come to replying to the post on his talk page, and has deleted it once again, I will post it here. This issue was made an issue by his and Antarticwik's constant deletion and POV, so it is expected that they reply & present a referenced defence to their position. If not, that they desist from it (at least as far as imposing the POV on this article is concerened).
I really don't know from what angle your argument is comming from, beacuase it seems to change to a different unsubstanciated reasons every time you try to remove the word "mestizo".
At first you alleged that the term had connotations of insult in Chile. Well I know that this is simply not true. So i've asked you to substanciate the claim. Additionally, as I have previously pointed out to you, it is ALL SOURCES from Chile, be it from the government, public or private educational institutions, universities, government and public agencies, that refer to the mixed majority population of Chile as "mestizo".
If you are now trying to base your edits on the argument that mestizo only applies to perfect mixes, then no country would be defined as such. No mestizo today, apart from first generation mixes, have a perfect ratio of 50:50. You know this quite well.
I've already conceded that you remove the background genetic information from the main article, because as you have said, it is a bit too detailed. So now that's in the main demographics article. However, if you push to remove the term "mestizo" as well, then that can only lead to the assumption that there is an agenda behind your motives, although I wouldn't go as far as comparing you to the "anti-anythin-which-is-not-white" Antarcticwik.
It's concerning that your edit continuously inserts "of predominantly Spanish origin, with varying degrees of native Amerindian admixture" when that predominance spoken of is true only when other factors come into play, such as sociogenetic factors. Not all have predominant Spanish ancestry, most have it in about equal amounts, although SLIGHTLY more on the European side, but most certainly not predominantly to merit the use of that qualifying word. But again I have to point out that it is you that removed the content discussing those factors from the main article. You can't have it both ways. If you don't want to state "mestizo", then you can't say predominantly without a background in same article on the factors that contributes to a predominance in certain individuals (mostly the 30% which is deemed white). It's simply misleading.
Also, to try to appease all sides, I have taken the liberty at quoting the Chilean government own wording on the population of Chile.
The Spanish conquest of Chile and the subsequent intermarriages between colonial Spanish immigrants and indigenous Amerindian tribes "began a process of racial and cultural mix which gave birth to the Chilean people."[1] The country's population is thus relatively homogeneous, with most being of mestizo[2][3] descent, although in various degrees of admixture. See main article for detailed population background.
But you remove that too. I seems that you, personally, really don't want any part or association with any of Chile's mestizoness. If it really must be acknoweledged, then you push that it be done without the use of the term itself, and with the use of over-emphatic (and in all honesty) wrongly employed adjectives such as "predominatly", and then also pushing to exclude any information discussing that "predominance" and to who and what percentage of the population it actually applies.
If the average ratio of European blood in the average Chilean is 57%, and 43% Amerindian, then it is assumed that without the 30% who are "white", that European average would go down for the remaining population (becomeing more balanced, which by the way, 57:43 almost is in the first place). The average ratio for the 60% of chileans who are both mestizo and look it is lower than that national average (and most likely closet to a 50:50 ratio). To no surprise, that is also true for the 10% Amerindian-looking population as well, where the average drops even further.
The average ratio for the average Mexican is around 56% Amerindian and 43% European (with 1% Black), but take out the 30% of Mexicans which are Amerindian or Amerindian-looking, and that European ratio rises for the rest of the population, but then it also drops when you again take out the 10% of Mexicans which are "white", thereby leaving the 60% of mexicans who are both mestizo and look it at a ratio more likely also closer to 50:50 (becomeing even more balanced, which here too by the way, 43:56:1 almost is in the first place).
I honestly don't understand this resentment of some Latin Americans to come to terms with the ethnic composition of either themselves, or their country in general (even if doesn't apply to that particular individual). And by the way, if you say that Mestizo is a filthy word in Chile, then we should go and tape the mouths of Isabel Allende and other notable Chilean literary figures for using such dirty a word in public. I was reading a newpaper only yesterday, and she happened to refer to Chile as mestizo. Naughty her. Doens't she know that it's a filthy word? She should've used "predominantly-Spanhish-admixed-with-various-degrees-of-Amerindian" as her word of choice instead of "mestizo". Al-Andalus 21:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
To be fair, CieloEstrellado seems to only have a problem with the "mestizo" issue. Antarkticwik has this chip and many more which are then taken out throughout the entire article in blankings, deltions of sources and basically mutilating the article. Al-Andalus 02:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Te respondo en castellano por que tengo la convicción que èsta es tu lengua nativa, y la discuciòn es sobre Chile un país predominantemente español aunque te DUELA Y moleste. Andalus la situación etnica chilena es absolutamente diferente a la de mexico. Lo que SÌ me parece sospechoso, es que en el caso mexicano, un pais evidentemente no occidental, intentas aumentar su factor europeo igualmente con argentina (que si es europeo pero no al 90% como tu dices ), pero con Chile tienes una obsesión enfermisa con aumentar su factor indigena. Ademas tus contribuciones son casi todas relacionadas con Chile, y siempre perjudicando sus estadisticas economicas, sociales o etnicas. inclusive tu obsesion te MOTIVÓ a inventar a chileuropide, para perjudicarme y caricaturizarme ante la comunidad de wikipedia, lo que habla muy mal de tÍ, de tus valores, y de tu país, el que te niegas a identificar, por miedo a ser acusado de no objetivo. Chile es un pais muy exitoso que provoca envidia y odiosidad en paises latinoamericanos que tienen muchos problemas,como probablemente es el tuyo. ¿ SI TUS POSTEOS fuesen HONESTOS, OBJETIVOS Y ALTRUISTAS, pOR QUE NO IDENTIFICAS TU ORIGEN COMO TODOS LOS QUE HACEMOS APORTES HONESTOS AL WIKIPEDIA? y te escondes en las sombras del anonimato???. Ademas las fuentes que utilizas son fuertemente cuestionadas como el estudio sobre reacción a ciertos medicamentos sumamente cuestionado en Chile, por su falta de representatividad ya que utilizo una pequeña muestra de personas marginadas socialmente y que en Chile son personas predominanetemenete indigenas pero muy europeizados culturalmente por la influencia de la mayoria de la población que es predominantemente caucasica tal como lo establecen diversas publicaciones como èsta[[4]] Y te insisto ES IMPOSIBLE CAMBIAR LA REALIDAD A TRAVES DE WIKIPEDIA. eN CONSECUENCIA DEJA DE VANDALIZAR LOS ARTICULOS SOBRE MI PROSPERO Y HERMOSO PAIS..... AHH Y NO TE AVERGUENCES DEL TUYO, SINO TRABAJA POR SU EXITO PERO CON HONESTIDAD. SALUDOS Antarcticwik 05:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Look Antartcticwik, I'll write in english because this is the english wikipedia.
You are blind to the poverty that exists in this country. Even though Chile is heading in the right direction economically, you underestimate the ammount of poverty. Maybe 56% percent doesn't live under the poverty line, but Chileans are unbelievebly in debt. They use their stupid credit cards for absolutely everything and purchase things they don't have the money for. This consummerism hides a little bit the poverty in Chile. I added to this article a statement that had a verifiable source that the top 10 richest percentile of Chile has 90% of the wealth, and I belive this wholeheartedly. A government survey in 2004 revealed that 66.7% of chilean workers earned less than 360,000 pesos (I think this slightly above the poverty line) per month and 30% earned less than 180 thousand. According to a recent survey by the World Bank Chile ranked 116th in wealth distribution out 124 surveyed. That is bad if you ask me. So yes, Chile has a lot of money its just that they don't know how to distribute it fairly. And mind you welive under a socialist government, that has more right wing policies than a lot of right wing governments.
As for the word Mestizo being an insult, i don't think so. In school they even teach you that Chile is neither european nor indigenous they are chileans, something to take pride in. Most people, when asked about their race will tell you thaey are mestizos. Where you live (Puerto Montt) there were a lot more german inmmigrants, which might lead to your perception of Chile being whiter than it really is. You should come up north and you will see its not that way. Chileiceman 23:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Por si acaso vivo en Chile y puedo hablar español perfectamente. But since this is the english Wikipedia I will continue to type in english. What you say here doesn't make a lot of sense and I fail to see why you need to type in caps. It makes you look inmature. I am not saying tht Chile isn't progressing economically. It is. And it is at a very fast speed. However it is not yet a developed nation. It is a country still developing. I don't know why you want Chile to be like Europe, it is not at all like Europe. I think it is great for each country to have its own identity. the article you posted said that Chile is not developing culturally as fast as it is economically. But what is to cultural development? Be like western "modern" countries? I don't think there is such a thing (unless your country is full of caniballs or is like many muslim countries, however that is not at all like Chile) Just because Chileans do not live exactly like Euros or North Americans doesn't mean they are bad. Chile is in Latin America, will always be a Latin American country as long as it exists. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. As for the mestizo debate. Just because people say they are white doesn't mean it is true. most people probably view themselves as white because they really have nothing in common with the aboriginal people. but technically just about everyone has indiginous blood in them. in the article it stated that more people with higher educations considered themselves to be mestizos. It pobably means most people don't even know they are mestizos. But why are debating about what race chileans are. Who cares? Why is it so important to you for Chile to be considered a predominantly white country? Chileiceman 01:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
"Around 95% of Chileans descend from early Spanish colonists, and although the majority possess Native American ancestry in varying degrees - thus deeming them mestizos - very few Chileans would admit their Native American admixture. People of relatively unmixed Spanish ancestry are not uncommon."[7]
The finding of the study that Antarctiwik quoted are not new. They are old news. Like much of the rest of Latin Americans, Chileans seek to whiten their country and themselves, if only by identity and not by reality. The norm has always to identify the next step up the white ladder. If you are and unmixed Amerindian, then you identify as a predominantly Amerindian mestizo. If you are a mestizo, you identigy as white. And if you are actually white, then you identify as a gringo or as a foreigner to the country of your birth which has also been your family's birth for generations.
Who was the person who added the following paragraphs to the article Demographics of Chile? and What was the objective?
Jespinos 01:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The spanish wikipedia has a discussion also about this topic with more or less the same argument here, at the end they choose "La población chilena es de origen mestizo, derivado de la mezcla racial entre los conquistadores españoles y los pueblos aborígenes" ...meaning "the chilean population is from/of Mestizo origin".
I don´t see what´s te big fuss about it, as most latinamericans chileans are mestizos.
The royal spanish language academy defines mestizo as:
mestizo, za.
(Del lat. tardío mixticĭus, mixto, mezclado). 1. adj. Dicho de una persona: Nacida de padre y madre de raza diferente, en especial de hombre blanco e india, o de indio y mujer blanca. U. t. c. s. 2. adj. Dicho de un animal o de un vegetal: Que resulta de haberse cruzado dos razas distintas. 3. adj. Dicho de la cultura, de los hechos espirituales, etc.: Provenientes de la mezcla de culturas distintas.
meaning "Born from a father and mather of different races, specially white and indian..." not saying that has in any context or in any country per-se a derogatory meaning. As i said i don´t see what´s the big deal about it... thx
I heard 34% only lived in povaty--86.29.248.32 05:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
In 1997 a World Bank report entitled "Chile: Poverty and Income Distribution in a High-Growth Economy: 1987-1995" concluded that the high GDP growth rates achieved by Chile during the late 1980's and early 1990's had contributed unambiguously to a considerable reduction in poverty, in terms of incidence, depth and severity. The incidence of indigence fell from 13% in 1987 to a mere 4% by 1994, and the headcount estimate showed that the population that lived in poverty fell from 41% in 1987 to 17% by 1994. The 1997 report also confirmed that declining poverty was strongly and positively related to high economic growth. This reduction in poverty during 1987-94 benefited almost all groups classified as vulnerable at the beginning of the period.
World Bank (1997), "Chile: Poverty and Income Distribution in a High-Growth Economy 1987-1995", Report Nº 16377-CH, November 25, Washington D.C
World Bank (2000), "Chile: Poverty and Income Distribution in a High- Growth Economy 1987-1998", Washington D.C. --201.223.113.50 04:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know anything about presence of Los Niños, that's Spanish for children who were educated in Russia (the former Soviet Union) after the Spanish Civil War (1935-39), in Chile during the Allende era (1970-73)? The following citation [8] seems to suggest that they were El Jigue 12-15-06 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.113.199.109 (talk) 22:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
Not many people outside of Chile realized they were friendly to the US (the country's major north-south highway named for Franklin D. Roosevelt), but many pro-Nazi agitators like Chilean diplomat and sympathizer Mario Serrano caused problems in the government during the 1940s, and there had been Nazi war criminals and later east German officials went to exile in Chile.
The Chilean armed forces is a regular member in UN peacekeeping missions, with Brazil, Uruguay and Colombia on their side. South Americans had a long history of fighting overseas with the allies (US, UK and France, major liberal influences in the revolutions deposed the Spanish king from the Americas in the early 1800's).
Chileans as well Colombians fought in the Korean war in the 1950s, as well a few Chileans in the US army during the troubling Vietnam war when many Latin American and Asian (south Korea and Thailand) army officers (Australia/New Zealand troops fought alongside Americans) assisted in efforts to defeat communists in that part of the world.
But this bothered Pablo Neruda, famous Chilean poet served as a diplomat stationed in Burma and South Vietnam wrote about the negative impact of US diplomacy on Southeast Asia in the late 1960s. Neruda's death during the coup of 1973 under house arrest is considered suspicious, but let's not assume he was poisoned by army guards surrounding his home.
Neruda never was arrested. He died by natural causes.--201.223.113.50 04:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Bookwriter Isabel Allende also describes how Chileans spoke out against US politics like her father Salvador Allende, but some Chilean dissidents moved to the US during the Carter administration as he condemned Pinochet and all military regimes (US allies) in human rights abuses, and Europe followed suit in the late 1970's to cut diplomatic ties and trade agreements with Chile, Argentina and Brazil.
During the Reagan administration, Chilean army officers again offered advice and support to the US army in Central America, the 1983 invasion of Grenada, and in Latin American and African wars against communism (in Colombia, Angola and Mozambique for example). The US regrettably paid billions of dollars to purchase firearms from Chilean ammo tycoon, Carlos Cardoen later found to supplied the Iraqi army under leader Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980's and the 1991 Persian Gulf War. 63.3.14.2 14:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)--Penarc 22:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Present day Indigenous populations from Northern Chile have been reported to have the usual Indigenous haplotype groups. e.g. haplogroup A, 8.3%; haplogroup B, 62.5%; haplogroup C, 25% and haplogroup D, 4.2% [9]. Indigenous individuals from Santiago show the expected asymmetrical origens (male parent mainly "European"), female parent mainly Indigenous) [10]. This could be interpreted to indicate that the Chilean population following Spanish law and customs is legally mostly "European," since the male progenitors were commonly from Europe, through the years of legal establishment of "Certificados de Pureza de Sangre" and because the Indigenous elite were considered under these laws to be nobility and thus by definition Spanish. There are also complex problems of later European settlement in Chile, where settlements by those of German, Polish, Russian origens (and thus from areas here the successive "Mongolian" invasions occurred) may have some "asian" haplogroups (and therefore be in this respect equivalent to original Indigenous "Americans);" however, this particular topic is left for others to discuss. El Jigue 12-17-06 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.113.199.109 (talk) 12:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC).
:I'm giving you one more chance 'Little Joe' to stop blogging talk pages. IF you don't, I'm reporting you to the Administrators. GoodDay 19:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not interested in getting involved with editing, but I don't see anywhere to report this kind of error. I hope this is the right place.
On the page for Colchagua Province, the link for the town Lolol goes to an article on the blog term "LOL" instead of to information about the town. 66.32.65.229 16:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Antarcticwik removed the following:
In 2006, according to statistics released by Chile's CAS Informática, around 58% of Chileans lived near or below poverty levels; 20.6% in extreme poverty. Despite enjoying a comparatively higher GDP and more robust economy compared to most other countries of Latin America, Chile also suffers from one of the most uneven distributions of wealth in the world, ahead only of Brazil in the Latin American region and lagging behind even of most developing sub-Saharan African nations. Chile's top 10 richest percentile possesses 47 percent of the country's wealth.[1] In relation to income distribution, some 6.2% of the country populates the upper economic income bracket, 15% the middle bracket, 21% the lower middle, 38% the lower bracket, and 20% the extreme poor.
However, he didn't provide any explanation in an edit summary or on the talk page. I've re-added it until he can provide his reasons. Khoikhoi 04:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
63.3.14.1 07:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
RE: Foreign Trade - A small addition - Australia and Chile are currently negotiating a Free Trade Agreement. [2] --Colc 05:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
...The economy section of this entry is HIGHLY Ideological and tilted toward free-market and free trade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.30.65.179 (talk) 21:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
i dont see sports in this article anywhere, shouldnt it be added? and links to famous profiles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by IvALBe (talk • contribs)
There are actually 32 professional soccer teams (www.anfp.cl), 20 of them playing on the first division, and 12 of them playing on the second division. One of the 20 first division teams is actually suspended from playing (Deportes Concepción), because they didn'y pay their players. Palestino is not a team made only by immigrant players. Recently the female indoor hockey team became world champion, and Fernando González is currently ranked 10th in the atp indesit ranking. Rodcontr 13:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm aware the Chilean government not only focused on improving media access, but as stated in the Chilean constitution: the elimination of poverty and the goal to become "developed" by 2010 or later, Chile takes drastic steps on socioeconomic access, universal health care (medical service is good and standard), renovation of public education ranked one of Latin America's best, and certain business regulations to help bring forth privatization are major priorities. A national drive to increase vaccinations and child health issues (breastfeeding is promoted by the national ministry of health, but infant formulas are widely available) had been pushed harder in recent years in a country where millions of children indeed live in poverty. In fact, Chile used to have one of the world's best social welfare systems, but there's a great need to upgrade their tightened troubled pension system for retirees, seniors and the high percentage of unemployed people. I understand the huge presence of right-wing politics and the military is a powerful political influence, but Chileans had emphasized a necessity to expand social reforms and to better redistribute its' wealth, a major theme of the current moderate socialist congress.
Under Bachelet and fellow socialists and center-left parties, congress passed new laws to legalize divorce in a mostly Catholic country, still has a "machismo" cultural nature as always in Latin America. The Chilean police created a domestic abuse/child abuse or desertion hotline for victims to report these crimes that happen too often, but most Chilean men spoke out against the impact of sexism and misogyny has done to their fellow women. Human rights in Chile and other developing countries (despite Chile led the way in the HDI index since 1995 ahead of 18 out of 24 other Latin American countries), is something they must work on. Tourists/visitors from other countries noticed there are more men sharing responbilities (parenting, household chores and financial matters) with their wives, while the rising number of Chilean women in politics and the workforce (despite far behind than developed countries) shown the length of social change has taken place. It used to be (by 1970) married Chilean women have to get written notes to enter casinos in Viña Del Mar, but as early as the 1970's, standard family planning clinics allowed the poor and abused Chilean women (esp. teenagers) recieved ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies. (abortion on demand is illegal, except if it's from rape/incest and the woman has a life-threatening medical condition). 63.3.14.2 14:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on South America at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#South America whose scope would include Chile. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Chile-related topics is another good place to research general information on Chile from the newspapers and mass media: The large number of UFO reports in Chile is a common everyday subject that has serious coverage, but Chile has less people than Mexico City, Belgium and Australia, also are UFO-haunted areas for many decades. Some Ufologists believed certain parts of the world attracts UFOs to hover or appear over these "hot spots" to analyze seismic activity or rapid development, as Chile has these things.
Last year's "news of the weird" received a good volume of weird news from Chile, probably the country became an anchor to American media firms via California, where many tourists came from. In recent years, thousands of American and Australian expatriates or retirees moved to Chile to buy land or rent vacation homes, they came not for a bargain price but as "eco-tourists" to savor the scenery of its' coasts, mountains, forests, valleys and deserts. Except for Santiago, most of Chile remains like it was hundreds of years ago.
The HDI (Human Development Index) and living standards for Chile resembles Iceland, Israel and South Africa, indicates Chile is an interesting stage between developed and third world, the Chilean economy has stabilized after the 2000-01 slump and better managed than its' neighbors. Chile wants to inspire, not belittle their Latin American counterparts, on making their nations a better place...and its' current president Michelle Bachelet is a symbol of a modern progressive country. 63.3.14.2 13:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
You are all invited to join the Chile-related regional notice board. Jespinos 23:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I reverted to the last edit by me, at 22:47, 23 December 2006. The reason is because of this edit, by 164.77.109.204 (talk · contribs), in which he destroyed months of editing. I apologize to users who made intermediate edits, but it was necessary due to the destructiveness of the revert. Khoikhoi 04:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've only recently come to read this discussion page and, as a new comer find that there seems to be a lot of "old" discussions which detract from the current issues.
I'd like to propose that any topic which has not been added to after Novermber 1st, 2006, be archived. I have no particular reason for this date except that it seems, to me, a reasonable cut-off.
What do the rest of you think? --JAXHERE | Talk 14:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Would User:Mikkalai please explain why he believes including this photo in the article is not a valid fair use. --JAXHERE | Talk 15:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
algun chileno o español que hable ingles si podria cambiar el mapa de chile que muestra argentina con campos de hielo siendo q esta zona se encuentra en litigio desde 1998 y que corresponderia un cuadrado blanco en el territorio en disputa,el mapa actual es completamente falso y pasa a llevar todos los acuerdos , al ser este un mapa ilegal tiene que ser cambiado inmediatamente.El trabajo se lo dejo a algun chileno que quiera defender soberania ya que los sr de habla inglesa no creo que tomen la iniciativa.
de antemano muchas gracias. saludos
Before the national flag was raised in 1818 after Chile broke away from Spanish rule, there was another flag raised in Chile (other flags were used across Latin America, like the New Granada confederacion flag and the United Provinces of La Plata official flag). first flag of Chile 1812-14 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.3.14.2 (talk) 14:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC).
Before you start screaming at me, this is a question all together, which I don't know the answer to, and I couldn't find in the article. First of all is the question, what are the requirements to be a "First world country" (which you would think that would be in First World or something. It wasn't last time I checked)? Second of all, does Chile fit the requirements, if not, what doesn't it fit? --Eduardo 23:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
~The term developing fits the model well, a good indicator would be to see the Human Development Index that is mentioned above.
The article says in History of Chile: "By relinquishing power to a democratically elected successor, Ibáñez del Campo retained the respect of a large enough segment of the population to remain a viable politician for more than thirty years, in spite of the vague and shifting nature of his ideology" I think ( actually i know) there´s a mistake there, Ibáñez didn´t relinquished power to any elected successor in 1931, he was just kick out by a wave of popular protest tired by his dictatorship and the worsening economic situation due to the 1929 depression. He took power in 1927 from the elected president Emiliano Figueroa Larraín, in a classical military coup. He reinvented himself ideollogically several times, till find a populist Perón-like style in the early 50s in a society tired of inflation and radicalism (the radical party rule 1939-1952) I dont know who made up the above statement, but anyway i just make this rectification, i supposed the civil way is to point out to this mistake rather than editing the mainpage by myself, as someone can have a better understanding of the Caída de Ibáñez issue thx --Nandodick 19:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
i am doing a class project and i need to know about one holiday from Chile that is not celebrated in the U.S. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.111.14.170 (talk) 18:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC).
You should check up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holidays_in_Chile my guess is navy day which goes beyond the purely militar aspect of it... Nandodick 18:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Nope, Navy Day has nothing to do with 1973 events, it remembers the 1879 war against Peru and Bolivia... but goes beyond militar aspect of remembrance, is the day Preident address the nation his/her annual account in Congress and parliament opens its "ordinary seasson". 1973 sailor´s mutiny (rebelión de la marinería) never went further than plotting by some few members of the chilean navy, although was deemed as a fundamental "probe" of the Allende government to divided the armed forces and achieve "total power" by a self-coup or a civil war. It fastened the plotting inside the Navy giving it a sense of urgency. So there wasn´t a mutiny in chilean navy in 1973. There was one mutiny by left-wing sailor in 1932 "socialist republic"... maybe you should check on Marmanduque Grove´s article for more details. --Nandodick 20:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
It would be great if somebody with knowledge of this article and Chile drafted longer intro (summary of history, politics, etc.). It should be approximately three paragraphs long. It would help this article a lot. Thank you.--Pethr 05:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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The origen of the Chilean population is Spaniard, (see demography of Chile ) the Chilean economy does not have a 58% poverty rate it simply look at the per capita and the HDI of Chile. Finally please do not exclude the beautiful images from my country. thanks. MY SOURCES:
1.- UNIVERSITY OF CHILE
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2,. THE WORLD VALUES WORLD CHILE 2006 [[12]]
3.- SPAIN GOV. [[13]]
4.- CIA [[14]]
Antarcticwik 05:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Dude is not an attack to say chilean people is a mix of spaniards and indians, is a fact. to say we all descent directly from Pedro de Valdivia is a little misguiding, we all (most of us at least) are mestizos and there´s nothing wrong about, so deal with it... maybe we have a majority of spaniard blood or that our main genetic heritage, but just say "the origen of chilean people is spaniard" as i say is false, is just not true,now deal with it and stop whining around... About the 58% of people in poverty i believe what the national statistic institute says: 25%... Nandodick 02:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
THE POVERTY IN CHILE IS OF 18 PERCENT (2006) SOURCES: http://www.fao.org/geonetwork/srv/es/metadata.show?id=3696&currTab=simple
http://www.unicef.cl/indicadores/pobreza.htm
Arcorelli 16:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
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Your source doesn't say that most of Chile's population is Spanish, it says Los blancos y mestizos son claramente mayoritarios y solo un 4% de los chilenos se identifica como indígena, entre éstos la comunidad mapuche es la principal. Khoikhoi 00:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
This is a English language Wiki! I and obviosly other readers will not be able to read in ¡Spanish! Reserve the use of Spanish for the Spanish Wikis and use English on the English Wikis! Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.248.32 (talk) 05:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC). --86.29.248.32 05:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
i don't care
Indigenous Conflict
The Indigenous Peoples Rights Observatory has published the following article:
International Observer Mission on Institutional Violence against the Mapuche People in Chile
On January 26 and 27, 2007, an international observer mission was carried out in Chile’s Araucanía region to look into instances of violence committed by state institutions against the Mapuche people. The mission was called forth by Indigenous Peoples’ Rights Watch (Observatorio de Derechos de los Pueblos Indígenas, ODPI), the Center for the Investigation and Promotion of Human Rights (Centro de Investigación y Promoción de los Derechos Humanos, CINPRODH), and the Mapuche community of Temucuicui. The mission included representatives from various human rights organizations from Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, and Nicaragua, as well as representatives of Chilean civil society. The mission visited various Mapuche communities, including Temucuicui and Maquehue. Mission members took the testimony of the residents of these communities, including children, young adults, women, and the aged. They also heard from residents of other communities that have been affected by state violence. In addition, they met with the Chief of Police (carabineros) in the region, General Augusto Carmona.
The mission verified multiple situations that, in its judgment, represent grave violations of human rights. The mission also found that racist views on the part of state institutions were clearly perceptible in practices including verbal and physical mistreatment and abuse of the Mapuche.
Visit: http://www.observatorio.cl/contenidos/naveg/index.php for full text.
I’d like to suggest that the section entitled ‘Indigenous Communities’ is expanded to cover the present conflict with the Mapuche in southern Chile, the use of anti-terrorist legislation against Mapuche activists, and an historical revision of the ‘Pacificación de la Araucania’ which for some historical observers, myself included, amounted to an attempted act of genocide by the Chilean State and armed forces, in the wake of the ‘War of the Pacific’, against the country’s indigenous inhabitants, usurping those people of their lands, destroying their social infrastructure, mass killings and other human rights abuses, and leaving the indigenous population in the state of poverty that it still suffers today.
Komunicant 16:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The article is not up to date about this subject, because recently a new Law established, the creation of two new Regions: Región de Tarapacá y Región De Los Ríos. Check out the Newspapers in order to confirm this. I'd like to do it, but i rather prefer that a Wikipedia User do it..
Regards. rkr2!
Chile claims to a be tricontinental country, including Easter Island and its claim on what is called Chilean Antarctic Territory.
should be
Chile claims to a be tricontinental country, including Easter Island and its claim on what is called Chilean Antarctic Territory.
is tricontinental a word —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.129.168.31 (talk) 21:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
I imagine that Fitz Roy isnot representative of Paine Park. Pklease use a better one
--Penarc 22:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Penarc (talk • contribs) 22:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
Now I understand what Penarc was referring to, but please be more precise in their comments. I already had reverted another edit with the same mistake. In both cases was also the same user, see [15] and [16]. Note that the error is in the caption, not in the image itself. The image shows portions of Argentina as well as of Chile, and hence there is no problem with including the image on the main article page. Jespinos 01:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Interested editors are invited to participate in a poll at Wikipedia talk:Chile-related regional notice board#settlement article naming poll. Please express your opinion there. Jespinos 16:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=199&gclid=COOVgPaLiowCFRtxYAodOTlV7Q The trend is toward increasing protestantism in Chile, as in all Latin American Countries.12.72.205.220 00:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Copyright © 2007 The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life 1615 L Street, NW Suite 700 Washington, DC 20036-5610 p 202.419.4550 f 202.419.4559 Religious Demographic Profile Chile
Please see:
Although Chile remains predominantly Catholic, the religious landscape is changing. The number of Protestants increased from 7.1% in the 1970 Census and 12.1% in the 1992 Census to 15.1% in 2002, while the number of Catholics decreased from 80.9% in 1970 and 76.8% in 1992 to 70.0% in 2002. The lower Catholic estimate reflected not only the growth in Protestants but also the growth in the number of non-affiliated (up from 2.0% in 1970 and 5.8% in 1992 to 8.3% in 2002).
the trend toward greater Protestant and lesser Catholic affiliation reflected in successive Chilean Censuses
According to the 2002 Chilean Census,1 which presents statistics for those in the population 14 years and older, 70% of the population is Catholic and 15.1% is Evangelical or Protestant. Why is there no mention of the Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist and Lutheran churches in Chile?????
The next largest category is comprised of those who said they have no religion or that they are agnostic or atheist (8.3%). Other groups reported by the Census include Jehovah's Witnesses (1.1%), Mormons (0.9%), Jews (0.1%), Orthodox Christians (0.1%) and Muslims (0.03%). The Census does not publish a breakdown of the remaining 4.4% who are associated with other religions.
According to the Census, Catholics and Protestants are both slightly more rural than urban. The percentage of non-affiliated in urban areas, though relatively small, is nearly double that in rural areas. Religious Affiliation, 2002 Census
All Rural Urban
Catholic 70.0% 75.3 69.1 Protestant 15.1% 16.4 14.9 Non-affiliated 8.3% 4.6 8.9 Other 6.6% 3.7 7.1
Although Chile remains predominantly Catholic, the religious landscape is changing. The number of Protestants increased from 7.1% in the 1970 Census and 12.1% in the 1992 Census to 15.1% in 2002, while the number of Catholics decreased from 80.9% in 1970 and 76.8% in 1992 to 70.0% in 2002. The lower Catholic estimate reflected not only the growth in Protestants but also the growth in the number of non-affiliated (up from 2.0% in 1970 and 5.8% in 1992 to 8.3% in 2002).
Why is this not stated????
The Forum's 2006 survey of adults 18 years and older was based on a national probability sample that excluded remote areas and that represents roughly 80% of Chile's population of approximately 16 million.2 In the survey, 65% identified themselves as Catholic and 15% as Protestant. Although the Forum's sample misses some rural regions that tend to be more heavily Catholic, these findings are generally in line with
the trend toward greater Protestant and lesser Catholic affiliation reflected in successive Chilean Censuses.
Why is this not mentioned?????
The Forum survey also found a larger number of unaffiliated persons (15%). (Since secularism is generally associated with lower birth rates,3 when the children of both religiously affiliated and unaffiliated adults are considered, the number of unaffiliated could constitute a somewhat smaller share of the total population.)
The Forum's survey found that renewalists, including charismatics and pentecostals, account for approximately three-in-ten people in Chile. Roughly two-thirds of all Protestants are either pentecostal or charismatic, and approximately one quarter of all Catholics are charismatic. Renewalists in Chile, Forum 2006 Survey
Renewalist Pentecostal Charismatic
Total Population 30% 9 21 Catholic 26% NA 26 Protestant 78% 59 19
Notes
1http://espino.ine.cl 2See the introduction to this report for a discussion of survey methodology and definitions. 3Pippa Norris and Ronald Inglehart. 2004, pp. 231-239. Sacred and Secular: Religion and Politics Worldwide. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge.
Methodology
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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.72.206.167 (talk) 04:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC).
There is a thriving and growing Anglican Church in Chile. This is there website http://www.anglicancommunion.org/tour/diocese.cfm?Idind=533 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.72.205.39 (talk) 23:09, 16 May 2007
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS or Mormons) (0.9% ....The LDS web site reports it has 539,193 members in Chile which includes children age eight or older. This figure represents 3.43% of the total population, making it the single largest non-Catholic denomination in Chile. What's this?
Also, there is a distinction between Catholic, and Roman Catholic. There are Anglican and Orthodox churches in Chile that are also Catholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.72.205.39 (talk) 23:16, 16 May 2007
I did read the prior discussion on this, but went ahead and removed the extraneous paragraph discussing alternate numbers for LDS membership because it doesn't belong in a general article on the entire country of Chile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.32.136.97 (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I find not much information regarding Chilean Jews, since there's a small but vibrant Jewish community in Chile. Can anyone point to a link on the subject? I appreciate it and thank you for your assistance. 209.247.21.247 13:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Image unneeded there is another page with this image titled "Costanera Center", it is autopromo --Penarc 15:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
"Chile has pursued generally sound economic policies for nearly three decades" - this is a judgement, not a objective fact, and it should be presented as such. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.240.135.64 (talk) 00:22, August 21, 2007 (UTC)
This article says that the Chilean military maintains an airbase on King George Island in Antarctica. Since Antarctica is theoretically a peaceful international zone I'm skeptical of this. The article on the Island shows "stations" of various nationalities but there's no reference to a military base. Is it possible that this is simply an airstrip or a non-military base that perhaps receives military transports but not armed aircraft? 70.15.116.59 15:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I have sprotected this until November. The amount of vandalism this was taking is ridiculous. Absolutely floods of it. Hopefully a month will do some good. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 02:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
The political Chilean system is a presidential system in which the vice-president does not exist.
Only there exists Secretary of the Interior, which takes up office as vice-president when the President is not present in national territory. In the absence of the President of Chile, the Minister of the Interior becomes Vice-President.
Consequently it a mistake to support in the principal table belisario velasco's name as vice-president
I dont change this becouse I dont be user of english wikipedia but I am a user of Spanish Wikipedia
Valo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.86.79.238 (talk) 20:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
As a Chilen I had to chime in on this. Ok I do not understand the racial demographics of this article. Chileans do not consider themselves "Mestizo" in the non-white variety that others would consider in places like Peru, Mexico or Guatemala. Everyone in Latin America knows that Argentina, Uruguay and Chile are interchangable when describing "white" latinos to other people. Now I do agree that Chile is not as intermingled with the European-caucasian lineage as Argentina or Uruguay BUT Chile is still more or less a "white mestizo" or Castizo nation. All this means is that while the majority of the population is mixed Amerindian with European, that the population is still heavily titled toward the European rather than the Amerindian. To put it uber-laymen terms, the nation is composed of people similar to Cher, Burt Reynolds,Johnny Depp, Wayne Newton, and Lou Diamond Phillips. The Amerindian features are very noticeable but the lineage is tilted more toward the European than the Amerindian. And you can easily contrast the people I listed with mestizos in Mexico and Peru. That is why it is so hard to pin Chile down as "mestizo", when their population looks different from the traditionally supposed mestizo natons of Latin America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.91.217.36 (talk) 17:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
The CIA World Factbook is right! white and white-Amerindian 95%, Amerindian 3%, other 2% —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.91.217.36 (talk) 17:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Why is this article blocked from editing? The above poster has a point. I have been to Chile plenty of times and the people there look very different from the Latinos in Central America. They're not as caucasian as Argentinans but they're very comparable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyC07 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
It's blocked because of continuous vandalism. I just checked the page history and someone had changed some historical facts. 24.199.73.84 23:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Any reasons as to why the pictures containing two important historical figures such as Salvador Allende and Pinochet aren't available or presented in the article? CenterofGravity 22:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC) There is no better place than individuals sites¡ --Penarc 05:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi people I am bored... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.1.148.255 (talk) 00:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I was able to put it back in the article, however, people keep deleting it. Is there any good reason for doing that? If so, please discuss it here first.
It's a short section, and I have yet to see a compelling reason for why it should NOT be there. Likeminas 14:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Let's also discuss the proper translation for the motto. Likeminas (talk) 15:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be something wrong with the little description made to portales, it states he is the founder of the Chilean state and creator of the constitution, both statements proved to be false; Portales did not found the Chilean state, it had been already been founded, he is usually atributed to have organized the state; secondly it states that he was the creator of the 1933 constitution, when in fact he didnt wrote any part of it, and it is unknown if he had anything to do with it to begin with (the myth of Portales usually states that he was either the inspiration of the constitution or that he was consulted about it, but lack of evidence points towards the oposite).200.83.56.253 (talk) 09:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
It is not clear if Lonco image is apropiate in this context, first the word in not English, second a connotation of warrior (see page )--Penarc (talk) 12:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi: I added the following to the intro that was removed very quickly. I added it again,(this time with an outside ref.) but I would like to know what was the criteria for its removal. "while at the same time having a high level of income inequality, with a Gini index of 54.9" Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.14.250 (talk) 05:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)