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Heroin and burnt pennies — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.40.210.64 (talk) 12:05, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Okay I am rewriting the entire t portion of the article now. I'm removing the first reference ( [1] ) It has no relevance to the description, or the colloquialisms of Black Tar "Heroin". Also fixing the names, I've never heard it called half the things on this list, and I've done it on the west coast and all over texas. I'll also post references of more specific amounts of 6-MAM, and other opiate potency in "tar" heroin. Preposteruss (talk) 15:13, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
What exactly is 'black tar heroin', then, if it is not heroin? Peoplesunionpro 23:00, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I feel I should mention that it's quite unlikely that this heroin is less processed than other kinds; it's probably just cut more heavily. Why? Because treating unprocessed opium with acetic anhydride will result in highly toxic acetyl-codeine and -thebaine compounds. Either they are present and aren't as bad as I've been told (unlikely), or in reality this is simply cut heavily. PianoSpleen 02:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
It's not that it's totally raw opium they're treating with AA, it's just that they don't refine the morphine as much as they could. It's a lot of work to get totally pure morphine from opium. Who's telling you about incredibly toxic acetylated codeine and thebaine derivatives? Acetylcodeine shows up regularly in illicit heroin samples and there's more of it in Mexican black tar than in other types. It's less toxic than codeine itself, as far as I know, and only present in trace amounts. What acetylated thebaine derviatives are you talking about? Thebacon? What gives tar the characteristic gummy-to-hard consistency is the residual latex from the opium that other source region chemists remove, to varying extents. Compare a slab of raw opium to prepared opium to Mexican tar to a piece of Afghan brown to southeast Asian No. 3 to South American to SE Asian No. 4 and you'll see less and less residual opium constituents sticking around, and a whiter and whiter color, closer to pure heroin. Mexican tar simply has less of the residual opium latex removed than other types before it's reacted with acetic anhydride, and that's that. If anything, it's more difficult to cut tar than powder heroin (which isn't to say it's not done, instant coffee is a popular cut), and given the lower purity of tar to begin with, there's less space for cut. What kind of diluent are Mexican drug trafficking groups adding to turn powder heroin into goop that none of the other producers have? There's tar out there that'll knock your socks off, and powder that's mostly lactose and quinine (if you're lucky) with just enough heroin left over after being cut a dozen times that it's not found in homeopathic concentrations. Porkchopmcmoose 04:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Several errors should be fixed. First, there doesn't need to be a qualifying "one of the," black tar is the predominant form of heroin on the west coast by far. Second, it's referred to as negra by the dealers, not negro. Third, as an educated man who used long ago, I was kind of curious just what they make it out of... unfortunately that section is full of crippled grammar and uncertain and potentially contradictory info. Oh well. Finally the picture at top is nothing like what actual for-sale tar looks like. I don't know how to fix the composition section, but I do know tar is normally cut with either coffee grounds or sugar (melted and recrystallized, like hard candy). It's notoriously unsanitary, causing abscesses constantly in people who muscle their shots, and making skin-popping out of the question. There have been widespread rumors that cow blood is used to give the final product a less brittle, more pliable texture. And that the makers cynically throw in nasty stuff like feces, dirt, flies, etc, and even once deliberately included blood infected with hepatitis-C, just for the hell of it.
At some point it may have been made by simply acytlating the opium gum, but it hasn't been like that for a long while. What the other guy was talking about about the monoacytle-codeine being toxic is due to the histamine rls when IVed. Sure, it may be found in there a little bit, but it is far from desirable. And we see blacktar heroin that is 87% purity listed on the dea website. It looks like blacktar because it was not properly refluxed in a sealed containter, they used no activated charcoal to clean it near the end, and they just evaporated off the liquid after the reflux. That my friends, is how black tar is made. Someone put that in the main page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.110.209.55 (talk) 05:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be ANY "Factual Accuracy" to this section or really to this article at all. All I can see is a handful of know-it-alls arguing over perceived facts that none appear to be true. Has this page become some sort of running joke or troll bait? I'd say the chances are pretty darn high up there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.40.40.2 (talk) 04:01, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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Bit of a fight going on about whether it's cheap or expensive. Please resolve this here. ta The Land
it's cheap to get high if you aren't addicted to it (about $10-$20), but profoundly expensive to maintain a habit...
also, it is cheap compared to "china white" heroin, which is considered a kind of caviar variant of it.
so... it is both inexpensive and expensive. gruelin1 12 14 05 7:45 am.
tar where i live runs about 30-35 dollars a "ball" a "ball" is typically very small maybe 1/8 inch around and packaged in a piece of plactic the shoved inside a balloon. to get high the first time expect to pay 30-35 plus 3.00 for a bag (10) of "points" unless u pay 1-5.00 dealer charge for 1 new needle. To maintain a habbit at this cost is hard ...very hard. Figure a ball a day habbit (unlikely after any length of time) would run you around 215.00 a week. If you did 1 ball a day for an average of a week, to get "high" youd need 2 balls a day before long.Its not unusual to hear people doing 5-6 balls a day. Thats over a 1000.00 a week. So is it cheap? To do it once sure to maintain it NO!
(I accidentally put this under the "Cheap/Expensive header. Oops!) Black tar's not significantly more or less expensive than any other type of heroin out there. There's cheap tar and expensive tar, just as there's cheap powder and expensive powder. It can be extremely potent or extremely impotent. It's got a bad reputation (the San Francisco Chronicle ran an article ("`Black Tar' Grimly Covers S.F. Streets") in 1999 that drew an analogy between powder heroin and tar heroin and powder cocaine and crack. This is little more than the hysteria that accompanies the media's discovery of some big new drug danger. "China white" used to refer to either high-quality southeast Asian heroin or later to a batch of an extremely potent synthetic opioid. The term is now obsolete. The difference between black tar and powder heroin has to do with the process used to make the heroin. Powder heroin is produced in South America, and Southwest and Southeast Asia; black tar is produced in Mexico. Porkchopmcmoose 22:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.44.4.110 (talk) 18:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
How can black tar be "the prevalent form" and "white" the most common? Doesn't jive.--SVTCobra 23:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
From article: "It can also be ground into powder (see below)"
It seems this information has since been removed. Either explain or remove this reference. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.180.134.185 (talk) 08:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC).
It's simple. When it is first synthinsized "extracted from morphine in Mexico, It is in powder form. If you get your tar from pisa's "cartel or other mexican related drug trafficers" it is powder. The powder absorbs moisture very easy because of the molecular breakdown used to make it injectible "vinager primarily". Once moisture or heat is introduced, it breaks down and becomes gooey and bendable or breakable. The more goey the product, the more its been stepped on "cut" in my experience. They may use sugar, baby formula, dr pepper etc.. to cut it. It will be sugary in flavor after this. The powder tar will usually taste and smell stronger of vinager. If you taste or smell sugar, its been cut... Probably more than once. I prefer to get it in a powder form then i huff it down "breathe moisture into it" myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.197.81 (talk) 10:56, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
On the Necrotizing Fasciitis page of Wikipedia the treated mortality is stated at 20%, and the untreated mortality at nearly 100%, neither of which accord with the figure given in this article. Wilhelm Ritter 21:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Having seen black tar heroin from San Francisco to Washington state, I must say I have never seen any that looks like that image: the grey black slab. Can anyone else comment on this? I've seen balloons of heroin that come out looking more like pictures I've seen of raw opium but can be IV'd (which I've read cannot be done with opium proper due to codeine and such other alkaloids: though I know sometimes black tar is sold to people afraid of the name "heroin" as 'opium' and are told they can shoot it). It is very dark black but sticky with an orange tinge, sometimes not so sticky and rock hard but breaks into slightly orangish shards if smashed into smaller pieces. It also comes in a brown powder, that when exposed to moisture (i.e. blown on) balls up into the black tar-like substance before it can be prepared for IV. (I assume this is different then than brown powder heroin elsewhere as it quickly balls into this tar substance if molested in about any way). 67.5.157.219 (talk) 09:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
First, I agree that the pic does not reflect what I have seen of "black tar" or "brown tar"/"brown" varieties. Black tar is in a category all its own. I am not sure if its consistency and appearance are the result of cutting agents, or if they are simply very old samples of Brown tar that have been exposed to excessive moisture. Black tar is (overall) solid, but the exterior is always a very very thick viscous liquid that is very sticky and leaves a large amount of residue on surfaces or packaging. Brown tar, on the other hand, is brown-dark brown powder (initially) that is usually sold as chunks or in balloons as powder. upon almost immediate exposure to air, brown tar slowly oxidizes to a black color, and also becomes stickier and less powdery. "fresh" samples of brown tar can easily be fractured into powder. Older samples that have been exposed to the air for long periods cannot be fractured into powder and maintain a sticky solid consistency.
without question, almost all of the heroin that is (assumed) from mexico (the stuff sold in California) is sold as the free base, rather than the HCl or sulfate (as is the case with "white powder" forms of heroin as well as cocaine). There are several immediate qualitative pieces of evidence that supports this fact: 1) all forms of mexican heroin can be smoked 2) all forms of mexican heroin REQUIRE heating or addition of acid to dissolve in water (this is not the case with HCl salts of heroin/morphine, which dissolve immediately in room temperature water) 3) intravenous users of mexican heroin (inexperienced users) often note particulate and precipitate in the syringes or spoons 4) the immediate, noticeable, and consistent "blackening" of brown powder reflects the atmospheric oxygen oxidation of heroin (amine n-oxide, hydroxylamine, etc). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.6.79.96 (talk) 00:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I have to agree, I've seen a lot of tar and none of it looks like that. Someone needs to get another picture, I'll try to take one next time I'm around my friends who still use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Preposteruss (talk • contribs) 13:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
I removed the entire list of "nicknames" for this drug. Not one was cited. The list kept growing and growing, and it was obviously completely full of jokes and vandalism, people having a little fun at the wiki's expense. The list itself is also not encyclopedic. Just a vandalism magnet. 96.2.148.54 (talk) 02:35, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
From Invisible Man “optic white” paint, I read of black drops of "dope" being put into the paint and I'm really curious about what that is referring to. Is it dope, what I know dope to be~ heroin? Maybe someone could.. you know, put their findings about 'dope' in paintz on the page... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.11.195 (talk) 02:58, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Why would there be heroin in paint? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.2.146.68 (talk) 14:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
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