The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. After two weeks, there is clearly no consensus for all of these moves. There are strong arguments on both sides but none with the level of support to indicate an overall consensus, and more time for discussion likely will not lead to a consensus being created here.

A future discussion held only regarding cases where there is a women's team would be more likely to succeed, and such a discussion could be opened immediately after this RM. Given the overall level of opposition, however, it would be inappropriate to find that as the consensus from this discussion. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 21:10, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1. Afghanistan national football team → Afghanistan men's national football team
2. Abkhazia national football team → Abkhazia men's national football team
3. Albania national football team → Albania men's national football team
4. Alderney official football team → Alderney official football team
5. Algeria national football team → Algeria men's national football team
6. Ambazonia national football team → Ambazonia men's national football team
7. American Samoa national football team → American Samoa men's national football team
8. Andorra national football team → Andorra men's national football team
9. Angola national football team → Angola men's national football team
10. Anguilla national football team → Anguilla men's national football team
11. Antigua and Barbuda national football team → Antigua and Barbuda men's national football team
12. Argentina national football team → Argentina men's national football team
13. Armenia national football team → Armenia men's national football team
14. Artsakh national football team → Artsakh men's national football team
15. Aruba national football team → Aruba men's national football team
16. Austria national football team → Austria men's national football team
17. Azerbaijan national football team → Azerbaijan men's national football team
18. Bahamas national football team → Bahamas men's national football team
19. Bahrain national football team → Bahrain men's national football team
20. Bangladesh national football team → Bangladesh men's national football team
21. Barawa football team → Barawa football team
22. Barbados national football team → Barbados men's national football team
23. Basque Country national football team → Basque Country men's national football team
24. Belarus national football team → Belarus men's national football team
25. Belgium national football team → Belgium men's national football team
26. Belize national football team → Belize men's national football team
27. Benin national football team → Benin men's national football team
28. Bermuda national football team → Bermuda men's national football team
29. Bhutan national football team → Bhutan men's national football team
30. Bolivia national football team → Bolivia men's national football team
31. Bonaire national football team → Bonaire men's national football team
32. Bosnia and Herzegovina national football team → Bosnia and Herzegovina men's national football team
33. Botswana national football team → Botswana men's national football team
34. Brazil national football team → Brazil men's national football team
35. Brittany national football team → Brittany men's national football team
36. Brunei national football team → Brunei men's national football team
37. Bulgaria national football team → Bulgaria men's national football team
38. Burkina Faso national football team → Burkina Faso men's national football team
39. Burundi national football team → Burundi men's national football team
40. Cambodia national football team → Cambodia men's national football team
41. Cameroon national football team → Cameroon men's national football team
42. Cape Verde national football team → Cape Verde men's national football team
43. Catalonia national football team → Catalonia men's national football team
44. Cayman Islands national football team → Cayman Islands men's national football team
45. Central African Republic national football team → Central African Republic men's national football team
46. Chad national football team → Chad men's national football team
47. Chagos Islands national football team → Chagos Islands men's national football team
48. Chameria national football team → Chameria men's national football team
49. Chile national football team → Chile men's national football team
50. China national football team → China men's national football team
51. Chinese Taipei national football team → Chinese Taipei men's national football team
52. Colombia national football team → Colombia men's national football team
53. Comoros national football team → Comoros men's national football team
54. Congo national football team → Congo men's national football team
55. Cook Islands national football team → Cook Islands men's national football team
56. Corsica national football team → Corsica men's national football team
57. Costa Rica national football team → Costa Rica men's national football team
58. County of Nice national football team → County of Nice men's national football team
59. Crimean Tatars national football team → Crimean Tatars men's national football team
60. Croatia national football team → Croatia men's national football team
61. Cuba national football team → Cuba men's national football team
62. Curaçao national football team → Curaçao men's national football team
63. Curaçao national football team (1921–1958) → Curaçao men's national football team (1921–1958)
64. Cyprus national football team → Cyprus men's national football team
65. Czech Republic national football team → Czech Republic men's national football team
66. Czechoslovakia national football team → Czechoslovakia men's national football team
67. DR Congo national football team → DR Congo men's national football team
68. Darfur national football team → Darfur men's national football team
69. Denmark national football team → Denmark men's national football team
70. Djibouti national football team → Djibouti men's national football team
71. Dominica national football team → Dominica men's national football team
72. Dominican Republic national football team → Dominican Republic men's national football team
73. Donetsk People's Republic national football team → Donetsk People's Republic men's national football team
74. East Germany national football team → East Germany men's national football team
75. East Turkestan national football team → East Turkestan men's national football team
76. Ecuador national football team → Ecuador men's national football team
77. Egypt national football team → Egypt men's national football team
78. El Salvador national football team → El Salvador men's national football team
79. England national football team → England men's national football team
80. Equatorial Guinea national football team → Equatorial Guinea men's national football team
81. Eritrea national football team → Eritrea men's national football team
82. Esperanto national football team → Esperanto men's national football team
83. Estonia national football team → Estonia men's national football team
84. Eswatini national football team → Eswatini men's national football team
85. Ethiopia national football team → Ethiopia men's national football team
86. Faroe Islands national football team → Faroe Islands men's national football team
87. Federated States of Micronesia national football team → Federated States of Micronesia men's national football team
88. Fiji national football team → Fiji men's national football team
89. Finland national football team → Finland men's national football team
90. France national football team → France men's national football team
91. French Guiana national football team → French Guiana men's national football team
92. Gabon national football team → Gabon men's national football team
93. Galicia national football team → Galicia men's national football team
94. Gambia national football team → Gambia men's national football team
95. Georgia national football team → Georgia men's national football team
96. Germany national football team → Germany men's national football team
97. Ghana national football team → Ghana men's national football team
98. Gibraltar national football team → Gibraltar men's national football team
99. Greece national football team → Greece men's national football team
100. Greenland national football team → Greenland men's national football team
101. Grenada national football team → Grenada men's national football team
102. Guadeloupe national football team → Guadeloupe men's national football team
103. Guam national football team → Guam men's national football team
104. Guatemala national football team → Guatemala men's national football team
105. Guinea-Bissau national football team → Guinea-Bissau men's national football team
106. Guinea national football team → Guinea men's national football team
107. Guyana national football team → Guyana men's national football team
108. Haiti national football team → Haiti men's national football team
109. Honduras national football team → Honduras men's national football team
110. Hong Kong national football team → Hong Kong men's national football team
111. Hungary national football team → Hungary men's national football team
112. Iceland national football team → Iceland men's national football team
113. India national football team → India men's national football team
114. Indonesia national football team → Indonesia men's national football team
115. Iran national football team → Iran men's national football team
116. Iraq national football team → Iraq men's national football team
117. Ireland national football team (1882–1950) → Ireland men's national football team (1882–1950)
118. Israel national football team → Israel men's national football team
119. Italy national football team → Italy men's national football team
120. Ivory Coast national football team → Ivory Coast men's national football team
121. Jamaica national football team → Jamaica men's national football team
122. Japan national football team → Japan men's national football team
123. Jordan national football team → Jordan men's national football team
124. Kazakhstan national football team → Kazakhstan men's national football team
125. Kenya national football team → Kenya men's national football team
126. Kiribati national football team → Kiribati men's national football team
127. Kosovo national football team → Kosovo men's national football team
128. Kurdistan Region national football team → Kurdistan Region men's national football team
129. Kuwait national football team → Kuwait men's national football team
130. Kyrgyzstan national football team → Kyrgyzstan men's national football team
131. Laos national football team → Laos men's national football team
132. Latvia national football team → Latvia men's national football team
133. Lebanon national football team → Lebanon men's national football team
134. Lesotho national football team → Lesotho men's national football team
135. Liberia national football team → Liberia men's national football team
136. Libya national football team → Libya men's national football team
137. Liechtenstein national football team → Liechtenstein men's national football team
138. Lithuania national football team → Lithuania men's national football team
139. Luhansk People's Republic national football team → Luhansk People's Republic men's national football team
140. Luxembourg national football team → Luxembourg men's national football team
141. Macau national football team → Macau men's national football team
142. Madagascar national football team → Madagascar men's national football team
143. Malawi national football team → Malawi men's national football team
144. Malaya national football team → Malaya men's national football team
145. Malaysia national football team → Malaysia men's national football team
146. Maldives national football team → Maldives men's national football team
147. Mali national football team → Mali men's national football team
148. Malta national football team → Malta men's national football team
149. Mandatory Palestine national football team → Mandatory Palestine men's national football team
150. Marshall Islands national soccer team → Marshall Islands men's national soccer team
151. Martinique national football team → Martinique men's national football team
152. Mauritania national football team → Mauritania men's national football team
153. Mauritius national football team → Mauritius men's national football team
154. Mayotte national football team → Mayotte men's national football team
155. Mexico national football team → Mexico men's national football team
156. Moldova national football team → Moldova men's national football team
157. Monaco national football team → Monaco men's national football team
158. Mongolia national football team → Mongolia men's national football team
159. Montenegro national football team → Montenegro men's national football team
160. Montserrat national football team → Montserrat men's national football team
161. Morocco national football team → Morocco men's national football team
162. Mozambique national football team → Mozambique men's national football team
163. Myanmar national football team → Myanmar men's national football team
164. Namibia national football team → Namibia men's national football team
165. Nepal national football team → Nepal men's national football team
166. Netherlands Antilles national football team → Netherlands Antilles men's national football team
167. Netherlands national football team → Netherlands men's national football team
168. New Caledonia national football team → New Caledonia men's national football team
169. Nicaragua national football team → Nicaragua men's national football team
170. Niger national football team → Niger men's national football team
171. Nigeria national football team → Nigeria men's national football team
172. Niue national soccer team → Niue national soccer team
173. North Korea national football team → North Korea men's national football team
174. North Macedonia national football team → North Macedonia men's national football team
175. North Vietnam national football team → North Vietnam men's national football team
176. Northern Cyprus national football team → Northern Cyprus men's national football team
177. Northern Ireland national football team → Northern Ireland men's national football team
178. Northern Mariana Islands national football team → Northern Mariana Islands men's national football team
179. Oman national football team → Oman men's national football team
180. Padania national football team → Padania men's national football team
181. Pakistan national football team → Pakistan men's national football team
182. Palau national football team → Palau men's national football team
183. Palestine national football team → Palestine men's national football team
184. Panama national football team → Panama men's national football team
185. Papua New Guinea national football team → Papua New Guinea men's national football team (or Papua New Guinea men's national soccer team)
186. Paraguay national football team → Paraguay men's national football team
187. Peru national football team → Peru men's national football team
188. Philippines national football team → Philippines men's national football team
189. Poland national football team → Poland men's national football team
190. Portugal national football team → Portugal men's national football team
191. Puerto Rico national football team → Puerto Rico men's national football team
192. Qatar national football team → Qatar men's national football team
193. Republic of Ireland national football team → Republic of Ireland men's national football team
194. Rohingya national football team → Rohingya men's national football team
195. Romania national football team → Romania men's national football team
196. Russia national football team → Russia men's national football team
197. Russian Empire national football team → Russian Empire men's national football team
198. Rwanda national football team → Rwanda men's national football team
199. Ryūkyū national football team → Ryūkyū men's national football team
200. Réunion national football team → Réunion men's national football team
201. Saint Barthélemy national football team → Saint Barthélemy men's national football team
202. Saint Helena football team → Saint Helena football team
203. Saint Kitts and Nevis national football team → Saint Kitts and Nevis men's national football team
204. Saint Lucia national football team → Saint Lucia men's national football team
205. Saint Martin national football team → Saint Martin men's national football team
206. Saint Pierre and Miquelon national football team → Saint Pierre and Miquelon men's national football team
207. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines national football team → Saint Vincent and the Grenadines men's national football team
208. Samoa national football team → Samoa men's national football team
209. San Marino national football team → San Marino men's national football team
210. Sardinia national football team → Sardinia men's national football team
211. Saudi Arabia national football team → Saudi Arabia men's national football team
212. Scotland national football team → Scotland men's national football team
213. Senegal national football team → Senegal men's national football team
214. Serbia and Montenegro national football team → Serbia and Montenegro men's national football team
215. Serbia national football team → Serbia men's national football team
216. Seychelles national football team → Seychelles men's national football team
217. Sicily national football team → Sicily men's national football team
218. Sierra Leone national football team → Sierra Leone men's national football team
219. Silesia national football team → Silesia men's national football team
220. Singapore national football team → Singapore men's national football team
221. Sint Eustatius national football team → Sint Eustatius men's national football team
222. Sint Maarten national football team → Sint Maarten men's national football team
223. Slovakia national football team → Slovakia men's national football team
224. Slovenia national football team → Slovenia men's national football team
225. Solomon Islands national football team → Solomon Islands men's national football team
226. Somalia national football team → Somalia men's national football team
227. Somaliland national football team → Somaliland men's national football team
228. South Africa national soccer team → South Africa men's national soccer team
229. South Korea national football team → South Korea men's national football team
230. South Ossetia national football team → South Ossetia men's national football team
231. South Sudan national football team → South Sudan men's national football team
232. South Vietnam national football team → South Vietnam men's national football team
233. South Yemen national football team → South Yemen men's national football team
234. Soviet Union national football team → Soviet Union men's national football team
235. Spain national football team → Spain men's national football team
236. Sri Lanka national football team → Sri Lanka men's national football team
237. Sudan national football team → Sudan men's national football team
238. Suriname national football team → Suriname men's national football team
239. Switzerland national football team → Switzerland men's national football team
240. Syria national football team → Syria men's national football team
241. São Tomé and Príncipe national football team → São Tomé and Príncipe men's national football team
242. Tahiti national football team → Tahiti men's national football team
243. Tajikistan national football team → Tajikistan men's national football team
244. Tamil Eelam national football team → Tamil Eelam men's national football team
245. Tanzania national football team → Tanzania men's national football team
246. Thailand national football team → Thailand men's national football team
247. Tibet national football team → Tibet men's national football team
248. Timor-Leste national football team → Timor-Leste men's national football team
249. Togo national football team → Togo men's national football team
250. Tonga national football team → Tonga men's national football team
251. Transnistria national football team → Transnistria men's national football team
252. Trinidad and Tobago national football team → Trinidad and Tobago men's national football team
253. Tunisia national football team → Tunisia men's national football team
254. Turkey national football team → Turkey men's national football team
255. Turkmenistan national football team → Turkmenistan men's national football team
256. Turks and Caicos Islands national football team → Turks and Caicos Islands men's national football team
257. Tuvalu national football team → Tuvalu men's national football team
258. Two Sicilies national football team → Two Sicilies men's national football team
259. Uganda national football team → Uganda men's national football team
260. Ukraine national football team → Ukraine men's national football team
261. United Arab Emirates national football team → United Arab Emirates men's national football team
262. United Kingdom national football team → United Kingdom men's national football team
263. Uruguay national football team → Uruguay men's national football team
264. Uzbekistan national football team → Uzbekistan men's national football team
265. Vanuatu national football team → Vanuatu men's national football team
266. Vatican City national football team → Vatican City men's national football team
267. Venezuela national football team → Venezuela men's national football team
268. Vietnam national football team → Vietnam men's national football team
269. Wales national football team → Wales men's national football team
270. Western Armenia national football team → Western Armenia men's national football team
271. Western Sahara national football team → Western Sahara men's national football team
272. Yemen national football team → Yemen men's national football team
273. Yugoslavia national football team → Yugoslavia men's national football team
274. Zambia national football team → Zambia men's national football team
275. Zanzibar national football team → Zanzibar men's national football team
276. Zimbabwe national football team → Zimbabwe men's national football team

– etc., for all articles in the format "<Country> national football team". This is a follow-up to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 163 § National team RfC and was requested at User talk:Ixtal by @Amakuru. Relevant links to previous discussions: Post-closure discussion at Ixtal's talk page and the post-closure discussion at WT:FOOTY.

 Note: Some articles have been moved to the proposed title format before this RM was filed, like Brazil men's national football team and Portugal men's national football team, due to the RfC. If this discussion closes with a consensus not to move, those moves will be reverted. All moves have been reverted by Amakuru. Articles like United States men's national soccer team, which have used the proposed format before the RfC was closed, will not be affected. – MaterialWorks 10:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 09:18, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Football has been notified of this discussion. – MaterialWorks 10:44, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - Same reasoning I gave in the RfC. I'd support most of these remaining as WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT although I'd expect some to become disambiguation pages. My only query is should articles like Palau and Niue be moved? They are the only national football teams from those countries as there has never been a women's team so there is no need for disambiguation. That could obviously change in future but we can cross that bridge if we come to it. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:55, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - the alleged consensus to move all these articles and, in many cases, create new disambiguation pages, appears to have overlooked the broader consensus that those who want to move an existing article (in some cases, with thousands of incoming links from other articles) to make room for a disambiguation page are responsible for fixing the links to the existing article. In this case, that will also entail fixing templates that create links to the titles that are proposed to be moved; for example, ((fbicon)). --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:31, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• As I have noted, the Spain national football team now being a dab page has resulted in 6,000 broken links. Black Kite (talk) 14:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• The vast majority of those incoming links comes from Template:Fb. StAnselm (talk) 14:18, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• It's a moot point now as the moves have been reverted but I fully agree with the FIXDABLINKS consensus. Ideally, the pages which are not deemed appropriate as a PRIMARYREDIRECT would remain as redirects until the links are sorted rather than vice versa. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:06, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• StAnselm that was 6,000 excluding the ones from templates. Black Kite (talk) 10:24, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Just to add to what I said above as all affected pages have now been added, do we need to move some of the historical teams? For example, there was no corresponding women's team for Curaçao 1921–58 or Ireland so is it necessary to disambiguate these? Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:34, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, sorry - due to the sheer numbers, I had to generate the above list in a bit of an automated fashion, based on outgoing links from List of men's national association football teams. Some of those indeed aren't likely to have equivalent women's teams. We could remove them, I don't know if the bot gets confused if there are missing numbers in the |currentN= |newN= parameters...  — Amakuru (talk) 15:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  No, you were right to include them. It will allow a full discussion that way. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 16:34, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support in most cases, the coverage of women's national teams (e.g. live broadcasts on main network television channels) is sufficient to say in most cases that there isn't a primary topic now. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 16:49, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Withdrawn Support - Per nomination. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 🗿 16:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment re: primary redirects. Moving Foo national football team to Foo men's national football team while keeping a primary redirect from the former to the latter only creates unnecessary disambiguation. See WP:CONCISE. This proposal only makes sense if Foo national football team articles become dabpages, per WP:TWODABS. 162 etc. (talk) 17:07, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this is where I still fall on this. It feels like it might be creating a lot of unnecessary disambiguation pages when there is a clear primary topic for probably 90% of these teams, maybe more. I still think this should be done based on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME, but if we DO move these pages, almost all of them will have redirects to the men's teams, which is going to create a lot of edit warring. It feels like an attempt to right great wrongs in regards to male as norm, but that's not really Wikipedia's job to fix: it's up to the sources to make that change first. I would count myself as a weak oppose on this still. Jay eyem (talk) 17:36, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Cautious support: I lend my support for this, but there are some necessary cautions. What happened in the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup has shaped the changes. However, some nations like San Marino, minor Pacific Island states, and even Brunei, Yemen, Oman and Somalia don't even have women's national teams. Meanwhile, the popularity of women's football has risen but has yet to gain significant coverage the same way men's football is to become sufficient enough. I support this move but I advise you to take and include further details for the changes. HiddenFace101 (talk) 17:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as poorly planned example of righting great wrongs that creates unnecessary disambiguations for countries that never had women's national football teams. Killuminator (talk) 17:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: This proposal seems to go only halfway to working out this issue. If all the moves are done, there is still a further decision to be made as to whether to have Foo national football team as a redirect to the men's team, or as a disambiguation page. Are we all going to come back here to debate that later? StAnselm (talk) 18:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, men's teams are PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose all moves, the men's teams are primary (except possibly the United States but their page was already moved). O.N.R. ^(talk) 19:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  If the US Women's team is primary, why don't we title the pages "United States national soccer team" and "United States men's national soccer team"? Wouldn't that be ridiculous? The men need specification that they are the men's team even if they are not primary. Every team needs specification. Wikipedia rules require it. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:49, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Well except that it isn't clear that there IS a primary topic for the United States, which is the reason they are titled the way they are. Theoretically speaking, if the US women WERE the clear primary topic, there could absolutely be a case for a primary redirect to the women's team. But that's just counterfactual thinking. Jay eyem (talk) 21:26, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I am much less concerned with redirects as I am with the names of the titles. "England national football team" is a title that flat out breaks Wikipedia guildelines. It's unclear what the subject is based on the title. It needs to say England men's national football team. I do believe the page for "England national football team" should be a list of all England national football teams. But if that page redirects to the men's team, that is still a problem, but much less of a problem than the title of the men's team not even stating that it is the men's team. This conversation is a mess, with people arguing different topics, and the conversation needs to be redone. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose We do not say the men's World Cup, and it is clear that it is men's teams because its history is much older--Dl.thinker (talk) 19:44, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  History has absolutely nothing to do with it. We should indeed say men's World Cup, purely because there exists a women's World Cup, and with ever-increasing coverage and relevance regarding the latter. The whole concept of choosing a "primary" when comparing men's to women's football is skewed, as the manner of dealing with both types should be based on gender equality, which appears sadly lacking in many of the unenlightened comments being made here. Ref ^(chew)(do) 08:10, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak support – There are specific restrictions against men playing for the women's team and vice-versa. The rise in prominence of women's football, especially at the highest level, means we should make the distinction in article titles now. – PeeJay 20:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose (this and all suggested moves): my view is that we should follow WP:COMMONNAME, per respective countries. So, most common name for Croatia's men team is just "Croatia national football team", both in English and Croatian sources. I think we should stick to that principle. --Governor Sheng (talk) 20:52, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's not true. Most often these teams are referred to simply by the name of the country, not including the "national football team" bit. And if you look at https://hns.family/ under the "Reprezentacije" tab, you will see that a distinction is made between the men's and women's teams, both in football and futsal, and the under-19 futsal team is specifically denoted as being a men's team. They don't just say "we don't have a women's under-19 futsal team, so it should be obvious that this is the men's under-19 team". – PeeJay 21:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Let's stick to the topic - the football teams. From my point of view, it is obvious that the men's teams are primary teams, as they don't have special designation (A team, U-21, U-20 etc.), while the women's teams do (A (Ž); U-21 (Ž), U-20 (Ž) etc). Regarding the commonality, the most-read sports outlet in Croatia - Sportske novosti, makes this distinction as well: "Hrvatska ženska nogometna reprezantacija" for the women's team ([1]) and "Hrvatska nogometna reprezentacija" for the men's team ([2]). The news outlets in the Croatian language always emphasise when the news is about the women's team while the emphasis is lacking when the news are about the men's team. Governor Sheng (talk) 21:19, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't know where you're looking, but if you mouse over the "Reprezentacije" tab on https://hns.family/, the teams are listed as follows:

    • Muške
      • A Reprezentacija
      • U-21
      • U-20
      • U-19
      • U-18
      • U-17
      • U-16
      • U-15
    • Ženske
      • A Reprezentacija
      • U-19
      • U-17
      • U-15
    • Futsalske
      • A Reprezentacija (M)
      • A Reprezentacija (Ž)
      • U-19 (M)
    • Sve Reprezentacija

    The fact that they refer to men's and women's teams here (not "the national team" and "the women's national team") supports the idea that we should do the same. Your claim that the women's teams are noted as A (Ž), U-21 (Ž), etc. is clearly wrong. Furthermore, as I said, looking at the Futsal section suggests to me that it is perfectly acceptable to specify the men's team as the men's team and the women's team as the women's team. The U-19 futsal team is not a unisex team, it is a men's team, and is designated as such. – PeeJay 09:10, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I looked at it here. Governor Sheng (talk) 19:09, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    The distinction is made because they list all their teams. The men's team is still the primary topic. Killuminator (talk) 21:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Do we not list all of a nation's teams on Wikipedia? – PeeJay 09:02, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    We do but we don't call the men's team ''21+'' either. Killuminator (talk) 13:21, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    So what if we don't call them 21+, what is the point of this argument? ౪ Santa ౪^99° 19:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose for Mandatory Palestine national football team, since I don't think a women's team existed. AnonMoos (talk) 21:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Oppose for Chameria national football team as there is no women's national team. BalkanianActuality (talk) 12:03, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Oppose for Ireland national football team (1882–1950) as there was no women's national team at that time. ManiacOfSport (talk) 07:34, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  One of the options being discussed is the possibility of not implementing the name change if no women's team exists in the relevant country. Which would answer your opposition, I feel. Ref ^(chew)(do) 08:13, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, the official tournament for the men's senior team is called FIFA World Cup, that means all the national teams (except some countries which called the sport "soccer") don't need to put men's there. Some of the countries like Brunei and Oman don't have a national team for the women, Afghanistan had a women's national team until 2021, due to the takeover of the country by the Taliban. So, the men's team are PRIMARY.

Guyrichtheman (talk) 02:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it's true that that is the official name of the world cup, it is still name for the world cup event and has nothing to do with the matter at hand, which is to create proper distinction between the men and women teams' article titles in encyclopedia (which is supposed to be read by everyone, not just football fans). ౪ Santa ౪^99° 19:43, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per Guyrichtheman and others. StAnselm (talk) 04:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE.--Island92 (talk) 05:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, then let's use logic and ask that "women" teams' title get WP:CONCISE treatment and rename since "women" teams' title is longer than "men". ౪ Santa ౪^99° 19:15, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: why is it almost all "men's" team of basketball, volleyball, netball, and some other sports are named accordingly "men's" to specify gender in their articles, while the "men's" teams in these association football articles are not? Are all national association football teams here specifically for men to play, or are some gender-unspecified (means men and women can both participate, but in de facto, men are almost always are chosen)? Kpra Ishil (talk) 05:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC) — Kpra Ishil (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Albertpda (talk · contribs). [reply]

There usually aren't any rules that say women can't play on the "men's" teams. It just happens that most women are unable to compete against men at the highest level of sports. Rreagan007 (talk) 05:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect. The English Football Association, and many others, specifically exclude females from partaking in post-ten-year-old matches in their rules (and the English FA always have done). That's why women-only football evolved, not because of any perceived physical differences. Mixed hockey is allowed up to a certain skill/age level, but there are very few popular organised team games that mix the sexes. To be honest though, this discussion is supposed to be about naming of national association football articles, for which I would support the change to "men's" and "women's". The talk that I've seen here of men being "primary" in any way does not fit with the modern perception of equality. Ref ^(chew)(do) 08:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I see some oppose vote citing COMMONNAME but the common name for the Scotland men's team and the Scotland women's team is just Scotland (see examples: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11]). I don't know if that is the case for every country on the list but does that mean that, for examples like Scotland, the page should be moved? Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. ManiacOfSport (talk) 11:34, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose – Hello! I oppose to the name change for the same reasons other editors above opposed. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 11:56, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per the reasons mentioned above. Ben5218 (talk) 12:55, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 13:31, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - sigh; what a clusterfuck, what an ill-thought out nomination, what a waste of time for all involved. As some have noted, some of these countries listed have no women's team (so the move is pointless), and PRIMARY/COMMON applies to probably most of the rest. Deal with, over time, on a county-by-country basis. GiantSnowman 13:34, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  But they have "men's national teams", and although there is no reason to skip over those countries without women teams, we can do exactly that and leave article's title as it is. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 01:43, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - All has been said. Bakir123 (talk) 14:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose at least for Sudan. Most searches and FIFA ranking just says Sudan national football team ...FuzzyMagma (talk) 16:57, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Darfur national football team doesn’t have a women team FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. For the WP:CRITERIA of recognizability and precision. For articles about all teams, for WP:CONSISTENCY. Of course mentions in articles can use a shorter version when the context makes it clear, and this won’t be any kind of burden. For those claiming RGW, the guideline says “finding neutral ways of presenting them is what we do,” so I’m not sure whether it’s yes or no votes that are supposed to be contrary to that guideline.  —Michael Z. 18:51, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per COMMON. - J man708 (talk) 22:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose- Men football is more notable and important than women. - Sadsadas (talk) 01:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You still have much to learn about equality, obviously. Ref ^(chew)(do) 06:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He isn't wrong stating that men's football is more notable. Governor Sheng (talk) 16:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reality isn't always equal though. Ortizesp (talk) 19:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Project pertaining to be serious encyclopedia has to seriously care about it. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 17:35, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose- no one refers to the men's teams this way and and the mens teams are far more popular and known. reports say england woman vs spain women, etc, but they dont say england men vs spain men. also seems like needless work to change millions of pages for something so minor. also curious to put this on one of the lesser known teams in the hopes of sneaking it in? one of the bigger teams like france or england would get more attention.Muur (talk) 07:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the discussion is here purely because Afghanistan is first in alphabetical order. Anyone who watches any of the "bigger teams" articles will have seen the notice of this discussion being added to them. Describing this as "sneaking it in" is inaccurate and does not assume good faith. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reports don't say "england woman vs spain women". The BBC, The Independent, Reuters, The Guardian, Sky News, Bloomberg, The Mirror and El Pais all refer to them as just England and just Spain. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 14:30, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

they do say womens world cup though, so still specify whilst they dont say mens world cup for men.Muur (talk) 19:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We're not proposing to move FIFA World Cup so that's irrelevant. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 13:33, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, everyone refers to all sport teams where women and men teams exist this way - UEFA[12], FIFA, all serious media outlets - you can see some of the links already posted here. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 19:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose this mass rename, as "men's national team" is not the WP:COMMONNAME in most of these cases, not least for some of the former/partially recognised states which haven't ever had a women's teams. No objection to some of these being nominated individually if sources refer to the men's team as "X men's team" as was suggested Scotland does, but this mass change would be a violation of WP:COMMONNAME for most articles listed here. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Per above. There are countries where there is no primary topic but not everywhere so this should be done case by case. Kante4 (talk) 08:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. The vast majority of countries included in the list have a women's team and the change would eliminate ambiguity.. Brayan Jaimes (talk) 12:28, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support: except change Papua New Guinea national football team and Papua New Guinea women's national football team to Papua New Guinea men's national soccer team and Papua New Guinea women's national soccer team, respectively. I say this because the term "soccer" is more commonly used in Papua New Guinea due to Australian influence and to distinguish it from rugby and Australian rules football. The PNG national Aussie rules team is the second-most successful in the world (behind Australia, but technically Australia does not compete in the International Cup for obvious reasons). Even PNG's top soccer league is called the Papua New Guinea National Soccer League. A Google search gives soka as the Tok Pisin word for soccer, ragbi for rugby and futbol as a general term (e.g futbol bilong Ostrelia = Aussie rules footy, futbol bilong Amerika = American football).

As a request for comment, does this also apply to other representative teams (e.g Hawaii soccer team)? What about futsal and beach soccer teams? QLDer in NSW (talk) 13:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It applies only to the above mentioned teams. Governor Sheng (talk) 13:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Well, if we're moving them then we should still change "football" to "soccer" for Papua New Guinea. QLDer in NSW (talk) 11:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is not part of this discussion. GiantSnowman 08:41, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can we make it part of the discussion? QLDer in NSW (talk) 11:52, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support they are usually classified separately on team’s websites, except in cases where it is clear they are talking about the men’s side, but the same is true for when it is clear they are talking about women’s side as well.Yoblyblob (talk) 18:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per above statements. The men's teams are the primary football teams and will remain so for a while. UltraBlazer 20:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  This UEFA.com article ([12]) specifies the Poland men's national team. There is no assumption that just saying "the Poland national team" automatically means the men's team. Usually that is done by context clues, but without context, there is no reason to assume just saying "the Fooland national team" means the men's team. – PeeJay 09:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  There are no "primary" teams in any sport. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 19:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong support - I think we kind of need to scrap COMMONNAME here. WP:NORULES tells us that it is our duty to improve Wikipedia. At the same time, we need to advocate equality in naming if we are going to talk about a specific national team. However, I would oppose moving to "men's" if there is no existing "women's" national team article, because then it is clear that there is only one team that is even notable. Paul Vaurie (talk) 04:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as some countries like Brunei has no women's national team. かぴさん Kapisan (talk) 02:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @Kapisan2016: and others, I think it might be nice if people vote on the principle of naming them "men's national football team" in the cases where there is a women's team only. This is partly my fault, as I wanted to include all affected pages in the RM and ended up adding a few where there isn't an ambiguity, but I think we can accept that we might move most of them while leaving a few like Brunei as is.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This feels like a slippery slope. will man united become man united men next? will half the pl teams be named man united men, chelsea men and then lower leagues as bolton men, wigan men, and even further down oxford city men etc...most teams dont even gave womens teams and so you end up with made up team names?Muur (talk) 13:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  No one is proposing to move any of those articles. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't even been a discussion about renaming club articles. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 13:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. RavenRTC (talk) 16:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose all per above and commonname. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:03, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• I oppose this mass move as overly broad in scope at this time. We should review this in much smaller batches (possibly no more than 15) and take time to ensure that any templates – e.g. ((fb)) and ((nft)) – are not broken in the process. This would require a HUGE amount of work to also ensure that any presently existing wikilinks are updated, though a bot should be able to handle that task. We also need to consider whether the same should apply to all the youth teams (e.g. U-15 and U-20). I do concur with all previous users who have stated that there is no need to create a men's team article if that nation does not have an official women's team. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 17:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Strongest support Changing the names to men's football team and women's football team is sheer common sense. People have been begging for this change forever. It is downright confusing and a disservice to readers of Wikipedia to not state which football team the article is talking about. I like to use Wikipedia for knowledge, and I have very often been trying to find information on a women's football team, only to later realize I was accidentally reading the men's team page because the article title was horrifically unclear and against Wikipedia guidelines. For people who are trying to oppose it using the common name argument, this is purely wrong. You do not hear people say out "England national football team" when talking about the England men's team. People will leave out CRUCIAL adjectives when commonly referring to the team, because it is already implied in their discussion. They will say England, England team, England men, England national team, England football team, England men's football team, England men's national team, etc. It is NOT commonly called England national football team. You VERY rarely hear it called that. Why are we pretending something it is basically NEVER called is the common name? "National," "football," and "team" are ALL extra words we put into the Wikipedia title to specify what we are talking about. "Men" is absolutely a crucial word we need to have in this title to specify what the article is about. Without saying which team it is, men's or women's, you do not know what the subject of the article is by reading the title, which is completely against Wikipedia rules. Wikipedia titles need to be precise. Importantly, the official name of the England men's team is "England". Just England. NOT "England national football team". If Wikipedia is choosing to add extra adjectives ("national, football, team") to the most common name of "England" so we can specify which England we are talking about - as opposed to the country England or the band England - we can certainly add that this is the men's team to clarify it with the other England national football team (the women's). "Men" is a much more crucial word to have in the title than "national" and more important to the reader's understanding. The men's team is often called the men's team, but people don't commonly use the word national. We need to have the word national in the title for precision, and we have an even greater need for the word men in the title for precision. For people using the primary topic argument, this is incredibly confusing because the primary topic changes frequently depending on who is playing. This summer, England national team meant the Women's team because they were in the World Cup. Reliable sources would just say England team when they meant the women's team. Furthermore, there is NO primary topic here. There is a men's team and a women's team. There are two topics. It is easy to state the teams in both titles. It is not a competition to be the genderless team who "gets" to be called just team. There is a men's team and a women's team, simple. Two topics that each need to be specified for what they are. This is a straightforward precision issue. It has clearly been bothering Wikipedia readers to no end, because this problem has been brought up countless times. It is truly a disservice to anyone using Wikipedia to not specify the subject of the article in the title. I used England as an example, of course. I support all the countries being labeled men's team and women's team, if there are two national teams in that country. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm sorry, but so little of this makes sense. There is absolutely a clear primary topic in probably >90% of cases as men's sports are far more popular than women's sports, and that extends to football. It is completely absurd to think that "national" is somehow less relevant to the conversation than the sex of the players when there is a clear distinction between international competition and club competitions. As long as we are talking common parlance, you absolutely will hear "Country X national football/soccer team" just as much as any of those shortened versions, and arguably more frequently than the use of the sex of the team. And while it is increasingly clear that media is trying to avoid male as norm in the conversation, using a recency bias like during a Women's World Cup as opposed to most of the rest of the time is disingenuous. I think there is a compelling argument for a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, but there is absolutely a primary topic for the vast majority of these cases. Jay eyem (talk) 05:25, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  National is repetitive when the nation is already in the title. England is a nation, not a club. I am NOT arguing to get rid of the word national in the titles. It's good to be extra clear these are national teams of the nations. That's my point. National is by far less important to the title than sex of the team, but we still have it. National teams are more popular than club teams, yet you still want to specify this is the "nation national football team." National teams are the primary topic, yet you specify. Your point still doesn't make sense, because national teams and club teams are two separate topics, so there's no need for a popularity contest between them to chose which is the primary topic "deserving" of a short imprecise title. Just as men's and women's teams are two separate topics that both need precision. There will ALWAYS be a question of "men's or women's?" when discussing a national football team. This predominant question needs to be addressed in the title.

  You do not usually hear "England national football team" laid out like that. Other names are more common. You do very often hear the women's team referred to as just "England", though. The easy solution is just to tell readers which team you're talking about in the title. I don't see your reasoning for being against much needed precision. I'm a football fan with a ton of knowledge of the game, and even I was confused by the titles numerous times. There are Wikipedia articles with much lesser need of specification that still do specify. Men's and women's national football teams are in GREAT need of specification. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 06:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  This sounds like a bit of a Eurocentric view then, because in the US you absolutely always emphasize the "national" portion of the name just as much as the sex, and that is done in part to distinguish it from club teams; it definitely sounded like you were in favor of removing "national" from the article titles. And I disagree that there will ALWAYS be a question of "men's or women's" because the conversation doesn't come up all that often unless you actively follow the women's game. For the vast majority of cases and national teams, the men are the clear primary topic. When I hear "England national football team", unless the women are actively playing in a tournament like the Women's Euros or Women's World Cup, I NEVER think of the women's team, and that is true for the vast majority of people and countries. That being said, I am not against the precision per se or the change using a primary redirect, I just disagree that it is a "much needed" change. Jay eyem (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I am from the US, so I don't know what you mean. I made it clear that since the title needs to have extra words that are not part of the official name, which is just "England", to clarify what England we are talking about, "men" is a necessary word to have in the title. You thought I was in favor of removing national from the titles when I said, quote, "We need to have the word national in the title for precision"? I think you misread my entire argument.

  The men are not the clear primary topic. The women's national team of England is very popular. However, that is not the point, and the notibility of women's teams do not need to be stated, because there is NO primary topic of some imagined genderless national team. There are TWO senior national teams. These are two separate topics. It is not a fight to be recognized as the genderless one. When discussing a sports team, men or women is something that needs to be stated.

  What sports you are personally interested in does not matter. Reliable sources CONSTANTLY refer to the women's team as just England. Neutral conversation requires Wikipedia to state which team we are talking about in the title. Maybe you personally can take a guess and think the title might refer to the men's team, but Wikipedia is not for guessing. And not everyone will guess the same as you. The subject of the article should be stated in the title. No one should have to guess what the topic is.

  This is a very simple precision issue. Which of the two England national football teams this is needs to be addressed in the title. It's getting ridiculous at this point to say the least. Countless people have said the title is unclear to them. There is no reason the title shouldn't state what the subject is. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:27, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The men for England are absolutely the clear primary topic, I don't know how you can even possibly debate that. The pageviews for the men absolutely blows the women out of the water, common parlance when discussing national teams will generally specify sex if talking about the women but will not for the men, media still frequently will drop "men" far more often than they will drop "women" when discussing national teams (even when that is heavily influenced by a recency bias), etc. There are only a few nations where this might not be the case, like the United States or Canada. Again, I think there is a compelling argument for a primary redirect, but you are simply wrong on the matter of a primary topic for England. (And to be fair, your first post was a giant block of text, making it difficult to follow, so thank you for breaking up subsequent responses across multiple paragraphs) Jay eyem (talk) 04:10, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Those page views are often from people searching for the women's team but being given the men's page. Yet another reason to fix the title.

  Again, there is no contest to be the genderless team. There are two topics. There is a men's team and a women's team. The men's team needs to be stated that it is the men's team. We are not arguing for it to say "England national football team (women)", which is the title format in cases where there is a primary topic. We are asking for it to be changed to England men's national football team because this is talking about the men's team.

  Every single time you have mentioned the men's team, you call them men. Men is the word you can't leave out. Men is one of the absolute most important details to identifying which team we are talking about. It strongly needs to be in the title.

  The England men's national basketball team, England men's national field hockey team, England men's national lacrosse team, and England men's national squash team are all properly labeled with the subject of the article in the title. The England men's national football team should follow this consistency and precision. It's a really simple fix. I'm honestly failing to understand why this is controversial for some. Why does it hurt to put men in the title? It's simply telling what team it is. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 05:15, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  "Those page views are often from people searching for the women's team but being given the men's page."

  I am sorry, but using this as an argument to show that there is no clear primary topic is an argument that is not based in reality. Unless you can find some way to prove that definitively, I see no reason to consider that a valid argument. Every single other example you provided does not show a clear primary topic; that is not the case for the football team. I am honestly failing to understand how you can possibly think there is no clear primary topic for the vast majority of these teams. And absolutely nobody else is saying anything about a "genderless team", that has been exclusively you this entire time (especially since FIFA is pretty rigid about sex separation of teams). Jay eyem (talk) 14:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  There is a men's team and a women's team. You need to simply state which team you're talking about in the title. This is a necessary change so people can be aware of what the subject of the article is based on the title. "England national football team" breaks Wikipedia rules. We are NOT arguing for it to say "England national football team (men)" which would be the case if we were arguing about a primary topic. We are saying this needs to state that it is the men's team, just like other men's sports titles do.

  Primary topic means virtually no one would be looking for Cauliflower (film), and they are almost certainly researching Cauliflower the vegetable. So we do not need to title it "Cauliflower (vegetable)". The film is named after the vegetable. There is one cauliflower (the vegetable) with other things named after it. It would be nearly impossible to confuse the movie article with the article about the plant. None of this applies to sports teams. We aren't asking for men's sports to have "(men)" at the end. It simply needs to have men's properly placed in the middle of the name because that's what the subject of the article is. It's literally about the men's team. Let readers know it's about the men's team.

  There is no problem whatsoever with labeling football teams like the basketball, field hockey, lacrosse, and squash teams are labeled. There is no problem in telling readers what the article subject is. There is a VAST problem with making the subject of the article objectively unidentifiable based on the title, with people merely guessing what the topic is based on what they personally believe. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 23:39, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support (for the cases where an article exists on the women's team) - there is no harm in being clearer here. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - Per WP:UCRN. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 🗿 14:25, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Is there anything more "common" than when UEFA make distinction [12] and specifies the "Poland men's national team"? ౪ Santa ౪^99° 19:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, the number of oppositions are more common! – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 🗿 03:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The number of chauvinists and unenlightened are even greater than that! Ref ^(chew)(do) 09:30, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  And those who reply to others' comments without any meaning are the greatest chauvinists! Trying to prove themselves enlightened but no one cares about them! At least I don't... – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 🗿 15:48, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. Men's team are the primary.→ Tanbiruzzaman 💬 18:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  According to whom and according to which criteria ? ౪ Santa ౪^99° 18:56, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  According to all chauvinists, obviously, and the less enlightened. Ref ^(chew)(do) 09:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Oh, hail to you the Enlighted one. Governor Sheng (talk) 14:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - This is more than just common sense, more than just finding some policy or guideline to quote and link; it is needed for average reader - we don'r do this for our pleasure or preference, we do it for people to find information easier, and anyone seeking info will need to continuously put in extra effort to distinguish between the two different team depending on gender if we don't do the change per nom. This is needed.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 05:06, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Additional comment - this PeeJay argument is bottom line: "This UEFA.com article ([12]) specifies the Poland men's national team. There is no assumption that just saying "the Poland national team" automatically means the men's team. Usually that is done by context clues, but without context, there is no reason to assume just saying "the Fooland national team" means the men's team." means the men's team." So, since we are here to make encyclopedia for readership that include anyone able to read English, PY argument about criteria beats personal, usually male editors' preference, which, by the way, is not grounded in WP:Common Name guideline for obvious reason stated in PJ remark with the link to UEFA. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 19:08, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - The concept of SJW should not take over wikipedia.--Sabri76'^talk 13:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  This isn't a political discussion. Nobody is saying anything about SJWs. If it did then I would be opposed to it. But it doesn't. QLDer in NSW (talk) 22:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Nobody is supporting this for political reasons. Some are opposing for political reasons though. Lack of specification which team it is is a serious problem for people trying to use Wikipedia. I have been confused by the poorly worded titles countless times. Sometimes I was reading an article for several minutes before I realized it was the men's, not women's, team. I found multiple instances in articles where someone was trying to link the women's team page, but accidentally linked the men's page because the neutral title is so easily mistaken for the women's team. (I took care to edit the links.) It's sincerely a problem. There is straight up no reason to be against this. It's a needed fix. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:47, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I was referring to the user's use of the term "SJW". QLDer in NSW (talk) 03:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I support the changes when there is a need to distinguish though I have made it clear that I would prefer to have Papua New Guinea national football team moved to Papua New Guinea men's national soccer team and all PNG soccer-related articles to be renamed to say "soccer" not "football" because (like in Australia) "soccer" is the most common term in PNG. QLDer in NSW (talk) 03:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Relisting this was a mistake. It will not reach consensus and it had plenty of participation. It's only inviting low effort and low quality participation at this point. Killuminator (talk) 20:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom — there's no harm in clarifying. But, regardless of the outcome of this move, the redlink redirects should still be created. Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:09, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Support England national football team (e.g.) seems ambiguous. WP:NATURAL would also suggest changing the lede to "England has been represented in international men's football ..." but that's another discussion. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:59, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose as a possible WP:TRAINWRECK. As someone has mentioned above, some countries have no women's teams, so it is not ambiguous. And having 276 pages to sift and sort through to judge isn't particularly helpful to that. S5A-0043^Talk 05:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Careful editing would prevent such a trainwreck in this instance, national team by national team over time. Not a strong reason for opposition really. Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:34, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  A careful move proposal would have avoided a trainwreck altogether. Killuminator (talk) 19:50, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have already put my opinion on the matter here, if this does end up happening, how hard would it be to create a Wikipedia bot to sift through pages and edit links accurately? Yoblyblob (talk) 14:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Like it or not, when people refer to the Foo football team without further qualification or context they're almost invariably referring to the men's team. This is not chauvinism but simple fact. Women's football may be getting bigger all the time, but it'll be a very long time before it eclipses the men's game or its long history. I speak, incidentally, as somebody who cares nothing about football. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:42, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The women's game doesn't need to "eclipse" the men's game, it merely needs to reach the point where there is some ambiguity as to which team is being referred to. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 13:42, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And as I have said, there generally is not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:56, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First it is irrelevant for entry in encyclopedia - we have both women and men football and titles should reflect that; second, how you know all that data, you didn't do any research I suppose ? ౪ Santa ౪^99° 20:21, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There are obvious errors with this page move including the many redirects with many of these articles linking to thousands of other articles, some countries not even having their own women team and the fact that for nearly all of the articles mentioned, the men's teams are more frequently discussed and as aformentioned, violates WP:COMMONNAME and WP:UCRN. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 18:38, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, I agree with the points above as the move is against Wikipedia's guidelines on common name due to the men's teams having by far more page views and historical significance. Sahaib (talk) 19:46, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONSISTENT. If the result is "Not move", which is rather likely, I would suggest we move Sweden men's national football team back to Sweden national football team, since there is no fundamental difference at all between Sweden and the countries listed above. Sadly, not many people engaged in that discussion. // Mattias321 (talk) 20:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The RM for Sweden reached consensus to move and (after briefly double checking) had greater participation than the RfC that brought us here. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 21:07, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Same as the RfC for the Australia men's national soccer team. As an Aussie I can confirm that we love both of our national teams and they are both quite good, therefore it is harder to distinguish between the two and it depends on the timing. In Australia we normally just say the "Socceroos" for the men and the "Matildas" for the women. QLDer in NSW (talk) 11:58, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When I think of Sweden national football team, I think of the women's team. They are significantly more successful than the men's team. I've heard the Sweden women's team talked about much more in the media. They are certainly way more popular in my country at least. Keep it consistent and title all the men's teams with men's in the name. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:12, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it really doesn't matter what you think of. The men's team is more popular. I just don't see any difference between Sweden and the other Nordic countries here. Consistency is key. // Mattias321 (talk) 22:47, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which consistency - consistency is useful in our project, but at no costs should accuracy be sacrificed for consistency. It really doesn't matter which sport is more popular, they are two different sports, and the difference is in gender which should accurately be presented in the title. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 05:51, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I suppose this matter has gone beyond the usual editorial Wikipedia channels for discussion, and that this has become a systemic and issue of principle for higher instances. starting with initiating a discussion on Meta. (This may be of some interest to Stevie fae Scotland as primer(?) initiator of this discussion). This is because I believe guidelines most often quoted, like WP:PRIMARY and WP:COMMONNAME simply do not cover this very specific problem in any let alone sufficient way.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 20:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I would (I'm sure others would be interested too tbf). Do you have a link? Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 21:07, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don't have some specific link; what I meant is that issue reached some threshold in nature of the problem that could and probably should be raised on Meta, say, at Requests_for_comment ౪ Santa ౪^99° 10:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support For all countries with both men's and women's national teams. It's about accuracy, not RGW. Furthermore:
  Oppose/Not move !votes that wholesale reject based on something like "significance" are ill-considered: in the United States, Australia, various East Asian and Scandinavian countries, women's football is considered (or has been before) more popular than men's football.
  The presence of nicknames for national teams probably discounts any COMMONNAME !votes, as we aren't going to be moving "Argentina (men's/women's) national football team" to "La Albiceleste" anytime soon.
  Spain and England, for which the official style guides of the national associations either do not disambiguate either (Spain) or disambiguate both (England), and any other countries with similar guidelines, should probably be given the men's/women's treatment as a matter of process. This is something new for Spain – although Spanish media has for a while referred to both teams by the nickname La Roja – but has been done in England for several years (before 2020). English media also gives both teams neutral and nickname treatment. Kingsif (talk) 00:06, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree no one here is using common name or primary topic correctly. The common name of the Spanish men's team is obviously not "Spain national football team." It's not even common to say that phrase. And primary topic is a question of having parenthesis after the title to clarify what it is. It's not an argument for being ambiguous in titles because you expect people to guess what it means. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:33, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It's common name in English-language sources. Which is not La Albiceleste or any other nickname. The common name would be "Argentina" if one was specifically talking about football or the "Argentina (or Argentine) football team" if one was not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:47, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Nicknames are hardly ever used for sports teams, regardless of if WP:COMMONNAME applies (for English-language sources, as for national sports teams that only really applies to Australia). QLDer in NSW (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - It's very important to remember when thinking of the common name, men's and women's are sometimes dropped from the title because you don't need to repetitively say men's and women's when it's obvious in the context. When talking about both, you ALWAYS need to differentiate which one you are talking about. Wikipedia has articles about both, so Wikipedia needs to specify which one it is talking about. The common name of the men's team when there is a men's and women's team ALWAYS includes men's. Primary topic is used to help avoid confusion. Spain (country) is so overstated it's actually more confusing than Spain, and it's nearly impossible to confuse it with Spain (instrumental). England national football team is EXTREMELY confusing, and it's so easy to confuse with the women's team it's basically asking to be confused. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Helpfulwikieditoryay: please read Wikipedia:BLUDGEON before continuing to add large comments/replies. Sahaib (talk) 15:55, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People should be allowed to discuss the topic. Bludgeoning is pestering someone to answer and repeating the same argument. This is my first comment. My comment was short. I had something new to say. Many times, I chose to not reply, even when I had something to say. I've been careful not to respond to more than a few people in this giant discussion. I think I should be allowed just one comment. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:46, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. :What do you mean men's football is primary? Shouldn't both of them be at equal level?Kxeon (talk) 22:55, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If some of the countries don't have women's team, it's still gonna put men's there right? Guyrichtheman (talk) 00:00, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is being discussed as some countries have a men's team but not a women's team (e.g Tuvalu). QLDer in NSW (talk) 03:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why shouldn't they ? ౪ Santa ౪^99° 04:20, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Wikipedia has had gender bias against women from day 1 (ref). It's time for gender equality to take over misogyny. Sofeshue (talk) 10:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, for the sake of clarity and consistency + as a bonus, to make all the worst people mad. The existence of a women's team or lack thereof is absolutely irrelevant to the issue, unless there are countries that have only one national team that features both women and men (I don't know of any). --Sviraman (talk) 16:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Poorly planned example. Creates unnecessary disambiguations for countries that never had women's national football teams in the first place.Afrique0512 (talk) 14:23, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved - consensus to speedy close (non-admin closure) StAnselm (talk) 17:13, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Afghanistan national football team → Afghanistan men's national football team
• Albania national football team → Albania men's national football team
• Algeria national football team → Algeria men's national football team
• American Samoa national football team → American Samoa men's national football team
• Andorra national football team → Andorra men's national football team
• Angola national football team → Angola men's national football team
• Anguilla national football team → Anguilla national football team
• Antigua and Barbuda national football team → Antigua and Barbuda men's national football team
• Argentina national football team → Argentina men's national football team
• Armenia national football team → Armenia men's national football team
• Aruba national football team → Aruba men's national football team
• Austria national football team → Austria men's national football team
• Azerbaijan national football team → Azerbaijan men's national football team
• Bahamas national football team → Bahamas men's national football team
• Bahrain national football team → Bahrain men's national football team
• Bangladesh national football team → Bangladesh men's national football team
• Barbados national football team → Barbados men's national football team
• Belarus national football team → Belarus men's national football team
• Belgium national football team → Belgium men's national football team
• Belize national football team → Belize men's national football team
• Benin national football team → Benin men's national football team
• Bermuda national football team → Bermuda men's national football team
• Bhutan national football team → Bhutan men's national football team
• Bolivia national football team → Bolivia men's national football team
• Bonaire national football team → Bonaire men's national football team
• Bosnia and Herzegovina national football team → Bosnia and Herzegovina men's national football team
• Botswana national football team → Botswana men's national football team
• Brazil national football team → Brazil men's national football team
• British Virgin Islands national football team → British Virgin Islands national football team
• Brunei national football team → Brunei men's national football team
• Bulgaria national football team → Bulgaria men's national football team
• Burkina Faso national football team → Burkina Faso men's national football team
• Burundi national football team → Burundi men's national football team
• Cambodia national football team → Cambodia men's national football team
• Cameroon national football team → Cameroon men's national football team
• Cape Verde national football team → Cape Verde men's national football team
• Cayman Islands national football team → Cayman Islands national football team
• Central African Republic national football team → Central African Republic men's national football team
• Chad national football team → Chad men's national football team
• Chile national football team → Chile men's national football team
• China national football team → China men's national football team
• Chinese Taipei national football team → Chinese Taipei men's national football team
• Colombia national football team → Colombia men's national football team
• Comoros national football team → Comoros men's national football team
• Congo national football team → Congo men's national football team
• Cook Islands national football team → Cook Islands national football team
• Costa Rica national football team → Costa Rica men's national football team
• Croatia national football team → Croatia men's national football team
• Cuba national football team → Cuba men's national football team
• Curaçao national football team → Curaçao men's national football team
• Cyprus national football team → Cyprus men's national football team
• Czech Republic national football team → Czech Republic men's national football team
• DR Congo national football team → DR Congo men's national football team
• Denmark national football team → Denmark men's national football team
• Djibouti national football team → Djibouti men's national football team
• Dominica national football team → Dominica men's national football team
• Dominican Republic national football team → Dominican Republic men's national football team
• Ecuador national football team → Ecuador men's national football team
• Egypt national football team → Egypt men's national football team
• El Salvador national football team → El Salvador men's national football team
• England national football team → England men's national football team
• Equatorial Guinea national football team → Equatorial Guinea men's national football team
• Eritrea national football team → Eritrea men's national football team
• Estonia national football team → Estonia men's national football team
• Eswatini national football team → Eswatini men's national football team
• Ethiopia national football team → Ethiopia men's national football team
• Faroe Islands national football team → Faroe Islands men's national football team
• Fiji national football team → Fiji men's national football team
• Finland national football team → Finland men's national football team
• France national football team → France men's national football team
• Gabon national football team → Gabon men's national football team
• Gambia national football team → Gambia men's national football team
• Georgia national football team → Georgia men's national football team
• Germany national football team → Germany men's national football team
• Ghana national football team → Ghana men's national football team
• Gibraltar national football team → Gibraltar national football team
• Greece national football team → Greece men's national football team
• Greenland national football team → Greenland national football team
• Grenada national football team → Grenada men's national football team
• Guam national football team → Guam men's national football team
• Guatemala national football team → Guatemala men's national football team
• Guinea national football team → Guinea men's national football team
• Guinea-Bissau national football team → Guinea-Bissau men's national football team
• Guyana national football team → Guyana men's national football team
• Haiti national football team → Haiti men's national football team
• Honduras national football team → Honduras men's national football team
• Hong Kong national football team → Hong Kong men's national football team
• Hungary national football team → Hungary men's national football team
• Iceland national football team → Iceland men's national football team
• India national football team → India men's national football team
• Indonesia national football team → Indonesia men's national football team
• Iran national football team → Iran men's national football team
• Iraq national football team → Iraq men's national football team
• Ireland national football team → Ireland men's national football team
• Israel national football team → Israel men's national football team
• Italy national football team → Italy men's national football team
• Ivory Coast national football team → Ivory Coast men's national football team
• Jamaica national football team → Jamaica men's national football team
• Japan national football team → Japan men's national football team
• Jordan national football team → Jordan men's national football team
• Kazakhstan national football team → Kazakhstan men's national football team
• Kenya national football team → Kenya men's national football team
• Kiribati national football team → Kiribati men's national football team
• Kosovo national football team → Kosovo men's national football team
• Kuwait national football team → Kuwait men's national football team
• Kyrgyzstan national football team → Kyrgyzstan men's national football team
• Laos national football team → Laos men's national football team
• Latvia national football team → Latvia men's national football team
• Lebanon national football team → Lebanon men's national football team
• Lesotho national football team → Lesotho men's national football team
• Liberia national football team → Liberia men's national football team
• Libya national football team → Libya men's national football team
• Liechtenstein national football team → Liechtenstein men's national football team
• Lithuania national football team → Lithuania men's national football team
• Luxembourg national football team → Luxembourg men's national football team
• Macau national football team → Macau men's national football team
• Madagascar national football team → Madagascar men's national football team
• Malawi national football team → Malawi men's national football team
• Malaysia national football team → Malaysia men's national football team
• Maldives national football team → Maldives men's national football team
• Mali national football team → Mali men's national football team
• Malta national football team → Malta men's national football team
• Martinique national football team → Martinique men's national football team
• Mauritania national football team → Mauritania men's national football team
• Mauritius national football team → Mauritius men's national football team
• Mexico national football team → Mexico men's national football team
• Moldova national football team → Moldova men's national football team
• Monaco national football team → Monaco men's national football team
• Mongolia national football team → Mongolia men's national football team
• Montenegro national football team → Montenegro men's national football team
• Montserrat national football team → Montserrat men's national football team
• Morocco national football team → Morocco men's national football team
• Mozambique national football team → Mozambique men's national football team
• Myanmar national football team → Myanmar men's national football team
• Namibia national football team → Namibia men's national football team
• Nepal national football team → Nepal men's national football team
• Netherlands national football team → Netherlands men's national football team
• New Caledonia national football team → New Caledonia men's national football team
• Nicaragua national football team → Nicaragua men's national football team
• Niger national football team → Niger men's national football team
• Nigeria national football team → Nigeria men's national football team
• North Korea national football team → North Korea men's national football team
• North Macedonia national football team → North Macedonia men's national football team
• Northern Mariana Islands national football team → Northern Mariana Islands men's national football team
• Norway national football team → Norway men's national football team
• Oman national football team → Oman men's national football team
• Pakistan national football team → Pakistan men's national football team
• Palau national football team → Palau national football team
• Palestine national football team → Palestine men's national football team
• Panama national football team → Panama men's national football team
• Paraguay national football team → Paraguay men's national football team
• Peru national football team → Peru men's national football team
• Philippines national football team → Philippines men's national football team
• Poland national football team → Poland men's national football team
• Portugal national football team → Portugal men's national football team
• Puerto Rico national football team → Puerto Rico national football team
• Qatar national football team → Qatar men's national football team
• Romania national football team → Romania men's national football team
• Russia national football team → Russia men's national football team
• Rwanda national football team → Rwanda men's national football team
• Saint Kitts and Nevis national football team → Saint Kitts and Nevis men's national football team
• Saint Lucia national football team → Saint Lucia men's national football team
• Saint Vincent and the Grenadines national football team → Saint Vincent and the Grenadines men's national football team
• Samoa national football team → Samoa men's national football team
• San Marino national football team → San Marino men's national football team
• São Tomé and Príncipe national football team → São Tomé and Príncipe men's national football team
• Saudi Arabia national football team → Saudi Arabia men's national football team
• Senegal national football team → Senegal men's national football team
• Serbia national football team → Serbia men's national football team
• Seychelles national football team → Seychelles men's national football team
• Sierra Leone national football team → Sierra Leone men's national football team
• Singapore national football team → Singapore men's national football team
• Slovakia national football team → Slovakia men's national football team
• Slovenia national football team → Slovenia men's national football team
• Solomon Islands national football team → Solomon Islands men's national football team
• Somalia national football team → Somalia men's national football team
• South Africa national soccer team → South Africa men's national soccer team
• South Korea national football team → South Korea men's national football team
• South Sudan national football team → South Sudan men's national football team
• Spain national football team → Spain men's national football team
• Sri Lanka national football team → Sri Lanka men's national football team
• Sudan national football team → Sudan men's national football team
• Suriname national football team → Suriname men's national football team
• Switzerland national football team → Switzerland men's national football team
• Syria national football team → Syria men's national football team
• Tahiti national football team → Tahiti men's national football team
• Tajikistan national football team → Tajikistan men's national football team
• Tanzania national football team → Tanzania men's national football team
• Thailand national football team → Thailand men's national football team
• Timor-Leste national football team → Timor-Leste men's national football team
• Togo national football team → Togo men's national football team
• Tonga national football team → Tonga men's national football team
• Trinidad and Tobago national football team → Trinidad and Tobago men's national football team
• Tunisia national football team → Tunisia men's national football team
• Turkey national football team → Turkey men's national football team
• Turkmenistan national football team → Turkmenistan men's national football team
• Turks and Caicos Islands national football team → Turks and Caicos Islands men's national football team
• Uganda national football team → Uganda men's national football team
• Ukraine national football team → Ukraine men's national football team
• United Arab Emirates national football team → United Arab Emirates men's national football team
• Uruguay national football team → Uruguay men's national football team
• Uzbekistan national football team → Uzbekistan men's national football team
• Vanuatu national football team → Vanuatu men's national football team
• Venezuela national football team → Venezuela men's national football team
• Vietnam national football team → Vietnam men's national football team
• Wales national football team → Wales men's national football team
• Yemen national football team → Yemen men's national football team
• Zambia national football team → Zambia men's national football team
• Zimbabwe national football team → Zimbabwe men's national football team

– Previous consensus had strong opposition due to unnecessary disambiguation pages. There are mistakes here please correct me on proper usage of soccer/football or on pages that are already labeled men’s/don’t have a women’s team to begin with. Yoblyblob (talk) 14:15, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: four redirects had to be removed from the list because redirects are ineligible to be current titles in move requests. Also had to remove Canada national soccer team → Canada men's national soccer team because the proposed new title is already used. The RMCD bot might find more problems with this multi-requested move proposal. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 15:43, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose moves again. Same reason as before; the men's teams are the primary topics. O.N.R. ^(talk) 14:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy close the last discussion was closed yesterday (around 19 hours ago), way too soon to be discussing the same moves again. And contrary to the user starting this RM, redirects weren't the only issue for not moving all these articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:35, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Unlikely that this discussion moves closer to a consensus than the last one. 162 etc. (talk) 15:05, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose/Speedy close - Same reason as before (WP:UCRN). – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 🗿 15:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Oppose – Unnecessary at all. Per all the reasons given above. Fma12 (talk) 15:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Although I support this (my reasoning is in the above discussion), it's clear that there are strong feelings on this on both sides and the previous discussion resulted in no consensus. I don't think anything has changed since the last discussion (mainly because there hasn't been any time between the two) that will result in anything other than no consensus again. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. The last discussion is not even 24 hours old, so there is no need for another one. Can be speedy closed, imo. Kante4 (talk) 15:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Nothing changed after the previous discussion was closed--Noel baran (talk) 15:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy close I evidently misunderstood the administrators message who closed the previous one. Yoblyblob (talk) 16:15, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose / Speedy close. A discussion regarding the same request was closed just yesterday with no consensus. Ben5218 (talk) 16:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]