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Shouldn't there be a comparison with other similar programs, like International Baccalaureate - which is more widely offered internationally? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.246.134.118 (talk) 22:32, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
needs a neutral point of view as this article is almost an advertisement.
Agreed. What is a "trained Reader" what is a "chief Reader"? No where is it mentioned that these are, apparently, themselves teachers of AP courses! How is the conflict of interest handled for AP teachers in a school grading each other's students' exams?
As for the AP teachers, how are they rewarded for 5, 4, 3 students? How do these rewards vary by state, county (in the US), or internationally? Why has this been kept secret for so long?
What credentials are necessary to be a "trained Reader"? How are they recruited? How is the Chief Reader recruited? Also, who assigns teachers to teach AP classes, College Board or the local high school principal, or the local Board of Education? How much are they paid, or do they donate their time for training and grading? What other rewards or incentives are operative?
In regards to the "trained reader" and "chief reader", teachers are not allowed to fill this role. According to some of the AP literature I've read, teachers are not allowed to be anywhere near the testing site. Also, as I have taken AP exams (as a student) for the past three years, I can state from personal experience that a teacher has never administered the exam. Generally, several people from the local board of education attend trainings to become certified readers.
As for who recruits the teachers to teach the AP courses, it is often the teacher who volunteers. Occasionally, the principal or board of education will request that a teacher teach the AP course—but this is rare (in my experience). They recieve no bonus for teaching the course, other than the satisfaction of students passing or the disappointment of students failing. Also, the teacher's performance dictates their chances of teaching a future AP course. Some school boards will pay for the AP training, but some don't. Jf1357 (talk) 23:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I think that the This Is Sparta thing should be included. It's a part of the history, and many thousands of people took part in it. —Preceding unsigned
Agreed. I'll add it. --98.217.61.141 (talk) 04:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
UPDATE: Hey! It's 2019, and it seems that this was removed for some reason. I was going to add it, but there isn't a section for it. Perhaps it could be something like "In Popular Culture?" And in case anyone was wondering, here's a link (cached, orginal seems to have gone down) going over the details of this incident or viral meme or whatever: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pTV8fJJuYDEJ:https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/this-is-sparta-300_us_58c05eaae4b0ed718269740b+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in
~~User:Cool12y~~
I would like to rework this article a bit--as a high school student, I'm pretty familiar with the program and feel that the current article could use a little cleaning-up. Good idea, bad idea?
Lemme know.
--c koski 0 2 29:20, 23 Aug 2005, EDT
--Gpyoung talk 02:23, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Chinese was recently added. --Tlaktan 05:00, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Under "AP Scholar Designations" there is a passage reading: "All AP exams taken" refers to all AP exams taken in any year. It is not restricted to the year the award is issued in. Does this mean that the award is issued to students that, say, took two AP classes in their Junior year, one in their Senior year and were given the award in their Senior year; or to students who took three in their Junior year and were given the award in their Senior year?
It is incorrect grammar to write of plural exams as "AP's". The <apostrophe-s> construction is for indicating a noun's possession, such as "Harvard's students". Correct usage is "APs". See the book, 'Fowler's Modern English Usage.' ISBN: 0198610211 Dogru144 14:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
If you take 2 AP courses in your junior year and 1 in your senior year, you will receive the award if your scores are high enough. You also will receive the reward if you take all 3 AP courses in your junior year. This is not the problem, though, that the statement was addressing. It was addressing the problem of a student who takes maybe 3 AP classes junior year and receives all 1s. Then, takes 3 more senior year and receives all 4s. Since their average is only a 2.5, they can not receive the award. --chocolateluvr88 11:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure where to put this, but the comment about bell curves in the article is inaccurate. At least as far as the AP Calculus exam goes, it's not so much that the AP scores are scored to compare students across the nation with each other, but more that the grades on the exam are comparable from one year to the next. So the idea is that a student who scores a 5 during one year is very likely to score a 5 on any other version of the exam. 67.183.171.245 (talk) 01:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)MathGuy
In response to the bell curve claim, it is true that the AP exams are normed to an approximately bell-shaped curve. According to a textbook published by the AP Academy (I think that's its name) for AP Statistics students, it outlines the process used to score the AP exams—a process that results in a normal distribution of scores Jf1357 (talk) 23:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to add a bit about the exorbitant fees charged by ETS/TCB for the tests. Grumbling over the $82/test cost has gotten quite loud lately, with some schools considering decertifying AP classes in protest of the fees. Thoughts? Rusty 23:31, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Um, has anyone seen the very last link? There is some innappropriate material, that must be removed or re-linked. We needs some admins to lock this up soon because im sure there is going to be more vandolism. Also, the link to the Computer Science A test needs to be removed. (No article)
The percentage of AP students that receive college credit, and AP Scholar recognition (even per category) would answer my question (see headline). I hope I remember to look for this info some time. Then, I'll add it myself. If you know or are bored...
Recently I noticed that many pages about the individual APs were blanked and therefore nonexistent. Is there something going on here? Physicq210 00:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I feel like someone need to add specific scores to score 1-5 scales on the test.
Examplify: 50+ Correct on Multiple choice and at least 7 on essay to score 5 on World History. 30+ correct on multiple choice and at least 6 on essay to score 3 or above.
etc...
That would help a LOT!
I just removed this text from the page that was inserted into the middle of the International Diploma section:
Judd Apatow Alan Blinder- Economist Elaine Chao - 24th U.S. Secretary of Labor Brenda Howard Idina Menzel- Actress Adam Pascal- Actor Natalie Portman-Actress Sibel Ergener- Actress Meg Wolitzer-Novelist Ed Newman- NFL Player Michael Isikoff- Newsweek journalist George Drakoulias- Music Producer Bryan Koniecko- Professional tennis player Jared Binder
I didn't see any source cited and from the text it wasn't clear what these people were alumni of. Are these simply famous people that have taken AP tests? A complete list of notable people who took AP exams would probably be 1,000s of lines long and I don't think it's really that interesting for this article... —Jnk[talk] 13:27, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
How do you guys like my AP template stub? ^o^ 20:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
It's nice, but it seems ironic that the main page of the AP program is a stub itself. --Physicq210 23:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
It would not have been a stub had most of the material been delated during June, which I believe was done to clean up the page but went way too far. User:Lord_Hawk 17:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Is it still I stub? Doesn't seem to be so to me. --Wslack 01:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
There's some good information at collegeboard that really helps to update the pages. I've updated French Language so far. --Zagsa 00:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Students taking Advanced Placement classes receive an extra grade point in the calculation of their grade point averages (GPA's). A GPA is the average of all grades a student has had over a certain number of classes. Historically, GPA's used the following numerical values: A = 4.0, A- = 3.7, B + = 3.3, B = 3.0, and so on down to F = 0.0. Thus, a student receiving all A's in high school, using this value system, would have a 4.0 high school GPA.
Advanced Placement classes add an extra 1.0 to each value, so that an A is worth 5.0, a B is worth 4.0, and so on. Presumably, the reasoning behind this was to reflect the increased difficult of Advanced Placement courses as compared to regular courses. For example, a student who could easily obtain an A (4.0) in a regular math class, might only obtain B (3.0) in a college level Advanced Placement Calculus class. This student could be the brightest at his or her school, but could end up with a mediocre GPA because of taking numerous Advanced Placement courses. The lower GPA could have implications for college admissions. Thus, bright students could be deterred from attempting to take Advanced Placement courses without a GPA incentive.
The GPA incentive has altered what the highest attainable GPA is for a high school graduate. Before GPA incentives were introduced, a 4.0 GPA was the highest attainable GPA for any high school graduate, reflecting straight A's in all high school classes. With GPA incentives, students receiving some B's or even C's could still graduate with a GPA over 4.0 if they have taken enough classes with GPA incentives.
The GPA incentive also creates a disincentive for students to take non-Advanced Placement courses, which may have an effect as more Advanced Placement courses are offered which are elective in nature. Due to GPA incentives, the determination of who is class valedictorian (highest GPA) or class salutorian (second highest GPA) will depend more than ever on class selection. Students who want any realistic chance at being declared valedictorian or salutorian must take a competitive number of Advanced Placement courses. Presumably, the net effect is that top students will display less diversity in their selection of elective courses, tending rather to cluster around those electives that offer GPA incentives.
Another impact of GPA incentives is that there is no longer any objective "highest attainable GPA" for a high school graduate. The highest possible GPA at any particular high school now depends on exactly how many non-redundant Advanced Placement courses that high school offers (redundant Advanced Placement courses are those that, for whatever reason, cannot both be taken by the same student). The most affluent high schools could offer over a dozen Advanced Placement courses, leading to GPA's for graduating seniors in excess of 4.5. However, high schools with more limited resources might offer a handful or less Advanced Placement courses. Some high schools may offer none at all. The result is that college admissions personnel must weigh an incoming student's GPA in light of the number of Advanced Placement courses offered by that student's high school, in order to avoid having an admissions system even more biased in favor of affluent high schools.
Somewhat illusrative of the societal factors that deter the proliferation of Advanced Placement courses in poorer schools, the 1988 film Stand and Deliver, starring Edward James Olmos and based on a true story, portrays an inner city math teacher who introduces an Advanced Placement calculus class to his students.
Highly motivated, highly driven, highly compensated parents want their children to "succeed." Success is measured by making lots of money. Making lots of money generally implies advanced degrees from prestigious universities. Admissions to those places means being able to pay for tuition, room, board, and books, should the relatively minor detail of admission be disposed of. Admission to prestigious universities is generally restricted to "highly qualified" individuals, meaning those students who have already demonstrated an ability to take and pass examinations with astounding marks. Successful kids of successful parents must take Advanced Placement courses in High School so as to demonstrate to admissions committees their "love of learning." Actually, love of learning has nothing to do with it. The Advanced Placement courses go hand in hand with calculated participation in sports and community outreach programs that demonstrate some rich sixteen-year-old kid has the chops of a 40-year-old Republican lawyer insofaras perceptions are manipulated as a means to an end. Corruption is as corruption does. Let's paint a pretty picture. It may be clown art or felt Elvis, but it gets the job done. 70.108.163.128 14:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
The foregoing is some of the most poorly written sophomoric nonsense I have read in a long time. 74.105.162.62 (talk) 11:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)kolef8874.105.162.62 (talk) 11:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
A merger has been proposed to merge the article named above with this article. I think it would be beneficial as the one article by itself does not have enough content to warrant its own article. Any suggestions? --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 13:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The article should answer the following questions:
-- WGee 07:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
It is possible to take any combination of AP tests, there is an alternative day to take the "B" test (uasually about two weeks later) of any AP test for those who may have scheduling conflicts with other AP test or else or unable to take the "A" form on the regular exam date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.82.143 (talk) 03:58, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
What about the AP Audit which may get rid of AP courses at High schools, or reduce them to nothing more than Advanced (course)?
As the AP article seems short compared to that of other tests of similarity like IB, A-Levels, and the such required for graduation in some places. I believe that more can indeed be added to this article. --71.106.235.51 23:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I just found a very interesting comparison of the AP and the IB programs. [1] I think we should include these points and maybe organize them into a table (which I sadly cannot do). Please give your opinions. Thanks, (Eddie 03:50, 25 February 2007 (UTC))
Advanced Placement Program vs. International Baccalaureate
New comment: To me this shows a clear bias in favor of the AP program. Could we make it more balanced? -SocratesJedi | Talk 08:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
In addition, the stuff about inflexibility of time is untrue. The IB program is only inflexible in that it requires more work and the IB subjects are typically more demanding than their AP equivalents, but students and schools can easily squeeze in other activities with good time management. As an IB Diploma student I am able to take music lessons once a week, belong to multiple clubs at school and an orchestra outside of school, and still get decent grades. In addition, the CAS program requires that students have extracurricular interests. This list makes it seem as though IB students have to give up all their other interests in order to pursue the diploma, which is not true. Other aspects which are untrue: students are allowed to take IB courses before they reach their last two years of high school, and all exams are written at the end of each two-year course regardless of when the student took it. And the depth vs. breadth thing is debatable - my mom is an AP teacher and she says depth is not emphasized at all in AP. That's merely an opinion, you can't state that as fact. However I have been proposing that a discussion of the IB vs. AP debate be included on both this article and the International Baccalaureate one (as I think it is rather relevant, much more so than the attempts on the IB page to represent the fringe belief that IB is "un-American"), and so it would be good if someone could amend that list so it shoulds both the benefits and drawbacks of both programs and isn't slanted toward one or the other. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 09:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Can someone clarify the statement under History, it seems we have a crimp in the time/space continuum (sp?):
Until the 2005 ... $83 per set. (The exams rose in price, one dollar from $82 in 2006.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Linkinpark342 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC).
The Wikipedia article for College Board lists it as a for-profit company, but this article refers to it as non-profit. Anyone know which is right? --Phantom784 18:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
“ | Recognizing that the $83 cost could be an impediment to students of limited means, a number of states and municipalities independent of the College Board have partially or fully subsidized the cost. For example, the Los Angeles Unified School District currently allows Advanced Placement students who enroll in the free school lunch program to take AP exams at the cost of $5. | ” |
Does anyone know of a reasonable explanation why a school might charge more than $83? At mine it was $90 or $95. — Emiellaiendiay 00:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? Can the article just mention this and link to the actual results? Do we really need to see them here? Also, how are these findings "startling?" They look utterly ordinary to me. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 20:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
The list of school districts that pay for students' tests may well not deserve inclusion in the article anyway. But as it is, it is inaccurate by omission of the list of states (five or six at the moment) that pay for their students' tests. To rectify it I have changed "Little Rock School District" to "the State of Arkansas." Every student in every public high school in Arkansas that takes an AP class will have the exam fee paid, and this is by the state's order (or more specifically the state supreme court). As an infrequent Wikipedian, my recommendation is to move the list to a separate article like "List of places that enitrely subsidize the cost of an AP test." It may not meet the bar for being encyclopedic information, but it is useful information and there are far sillier lists. 206.255.186.237 02:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
This article should somewhere explain the purpose of AP, for those not familiar with US high schools. "College level courses" seems to indicate courses at college level, but as high school is the step before college/university in the US, it doesn't make much sense offering such courses already in high school.
Or is it possibly advanced courses that may put US high school graduates on the same level as pre-university students in Europe, and thus enable them to apply for places at European universities? Some of the text as well as some of the comments on this talk page seem to indicate that.
Whatever the purpose, it needs to be explained in the beginning of the article. Thomas Blomberg (talk) 18:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I have added a ((dubious)) to this line. It has not been sourced, and from poking around at Google I am unconvinced that rank-based grading is universal for all AP courses. Any input on this is welcome. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I think the bell-curve sentence should be taken out. It doesn't make sense given the preceding paragraph, and the T charts given show little consistency between subjects or years.Aznfanatic (talk) 05:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
this isn't exactly a proper question for the talk page, but it may be interesting info to add. there are mentions of home-schooled students being able to take the tests, and the courses aren't required to take the tests, but can you be older or younger than high school age? they mention that you'll put in your home high school code onto the test forms, what if you don't have one? they've thought of this for the home-schooled and have a code for them, but what of pre-adolescents or post-grads? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.201.55.169 (talk) 00:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
The sentence, 'According to the Good Schools Guide International, it is "usually much more rigorous than the general course offerings. Advanced Placement classes are graded differently than other classes offered. A 88.50% and higher is rounded to an A unlike regular classes,"' has a reference linked to here. This is supposed to be a direct quote; however, the webpage says nothing about AP courses being graded differently (believe me, they're not. I should know, I'm taking several). I'm gonna go ahead and fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.90.247 (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
"AP tests are scored on a 1 to 6 scale as follows:[15] 7 - Perfectly qualified 6 - Extremely well qualified 5 - Well qualified 4 - Qualified 3 - Possibly qualified 2 - No recommendation 1 - NEVER will get in"
First, a 1-6 scale rarely starts with 7, unless Nigel Tufnel is involved. Second, I doubt very seriously that a score of 1 is termed "NEVER will get in." Get in to what? A college? Nonsense. Colleges choose at what score level to award any credits to incoming students, and it's usually around 4 or 5. (I have also never heard of 6 on the scoring scale for the AP tests, but I can't back that up with a citation, just personal experience.)
Colleges decide what they want to do with AP scores, and it varies from college credit being awarded to a student, to allowing students to test out of certain entry-level classes (English 101, for example), to a "how nice for you, but you still have to take all our classes" attitude (Harvard). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayrom1 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Because right now it states that the Hawaii Department of Education subsidizes math and science exams, but I'm in the HDE, and they don't. My school, and three others, are recipients of a NMSI grant and have half of our exams paid for through NMSI, which may be cause for confusion. HDE schools, however, are not having math and science subsidized, just a few of them through a private company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.181.171 (talk) 01:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
The sentence about Harlan Hanson interrupts the flow of the 2nd paragraph. The sentence is not elaborated upon, making it useless as well as irrelevant.
"The College Board, a non-profit organization[5] based in New York City, has run the AP program since 1955.[6] From 1965 to 1989, Harlan Hanson was the director of the Advanced Placement Program.[7] It develops and maintains guidelines for the teaching of higher level courses in various subject areas."--Trumpeteerx (talk) 06:29, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
This article refers only to the United States program, even though it is certainly not only American. Can we get some information on the Canadian program please? FrigidNinja (talk) 20:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
As far as I know, College Board should not have "the" before its name. For example, you do not call the car company "The Toyota," you call it "Toyota." Shouldn't "the" be removed from most or all instances of College Board on this page? Piguy101 (talk) 01:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Criticism should include these are college courses for which the community is billed by their high school taxes. The whole premise of offering advanced placement classes at local high schools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.109.97 (talk) 15:00, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Is there any good reason for separating CLEP subject tests and AP exams? AP includes some more advanced subjects than CLEP, which seems restricting to those eligible for CLEP. Can anyone eligible for CLEP take AP exams? --lifeform (talk) 01:33, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hey all, I have noticed that the grade distribution charts are not the same on different test pages. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_Calculus and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_English_Language_and_Composition , the different pages have different chart styles. Some are left aligned text, some are center. We need to decide how the charts are going to look and then standerdize them
Jakevossen5 (talk) 21:53, 24 October 2017 (UTC)jakevossen5
If you can provide us the sources coming from the college board, then you can change the information but be sure to leave the link as your source otherwise some admin will revert saying: unsourced. Iamthemostwanted2015 (talk) 01:51, 30 November 2017 (UTC)Iamthemostwanted2015
I think the criticism section on this article is relatively small and it would be worth it to add an article about equity and Advanced Placement tests, because there is a lot of literature about inequity perpetuated by these tests. An example of a source that would contribute to this page is the article "Advanced Placement Exams, Incentive Programs, and Cost Effectiveness: A Lack of Equity and Excellence for Black Students in Texas, New York, and Florida” from The Journal of Negro Education by Carolyn A. McBride Davis.
I'd be happy to hear any input on this proposal.
--Hoopsf (talk) 18:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
The information in the article Advanced Placement Exams seems to exist almost entirely within this article. Should that page be merged into this page?
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I just started an article on John M. Kemper, whose NY Times obituary was 51 years ago today. Was fascinated to learn that he, as headmaster of Andover, is the person who pushed Exeter and Lawrenceville to join with Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, to set up the AP program.[3] May be worth working a mention of him into the history section? Milowent • hasspoken 22:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
When did CB add this? Is it new? 50.4.132.185 (talk) 03:14, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
This article is missing AP seminar and AP research in the courses section, even though they are both AP courses that CB offers 2601:88:8001:D8D0:50E3:B86A:2A1:BF58 (talk) 03:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)