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As originally suggested by MusicMaker5376 and more or less formalized by Torc2 (read the main discussion thread here) this WikiProject is going to try to put together a plan for discography pages. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 21:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
First order of business: as I was doing random behind-the-scenes stuff to get the project up and going, I came to the conclusion that assessing the importance of discography articles wasn't really necessary, only the class/quality. It makes sense to rate discogs for importance within other projects based on the topic (like how important it is in relationto Alternative Music, or in relation to all of the other articles within the artist's/band's WikiProject). But it doesn't make sense to me to rate an article for importance based on it's type. Same reason that WikiProject Biography doesn't rate for importance on biography-type article, because you can't really say that a person is more important than another person, but you can say that this person is more important in the field of Toxicology, say, then this other person. But I didn't want to make such a big decision without getting consensus for it first. Any opinions? Drewcifer (talk) 22:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Im stuck on Dr. Dre discography because Im not sure how many soundtracks I should list. On imdb he is credited for 27 soundtracks. 50 Cent is credited for 21 different soundtracks but only 1 is listed on 50 Cent discography, which is a featured. So im just wondering is there a criteria for this? Should I only list the soundtracks where he peforms the majority of the songs? -- Coasttocoast (talk) 04:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
OK. So a few questions that have been raised in my current Róisín Murphy discography nomination:
-- Underneath-it-All (talk) 15:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I've done my best to write up a style-guidline of sorts over here. Take a look at let me know what you think, preferably on the proposal's talk page. I expect some of the things in there to be a bit controversial, especially since nearly every FL discog at the moment doesn't meet the guidleine for one reason or another. But I hope that's mainly because of a lack of consistency between discographies, not necessarily something wrong my proposed guidelines. Anyways, take a look and feel free to tear it apart. Drewcifer (talk) 08:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Should unreleased albums be added to discographies or not? My opinion is that only released albums should be in a discography, since for some articles that I'm working on we know that the artist is working on an album but it does not even have a name yet. Gary King (talk) 23:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Would like an opnion on Hoodoo Gurus discography as to what level/standard the article is up to - any suggestions on how it could be improved would be greatfully accepted. Dan arndt (talk) 08:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Where could one place a reformed article for reassessment. I've put a particular amount of effort into reconstructing the Dir en grey discography page, and I would like some input and if it can be done, reassessment on the rating. Thanks for any help! --Jacob Talk 01:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I have AWB and I'm trying to find out about tagging everything in Category:Discographies with the project banner. Assessment wouldn't be too much fun, but it would be a start, right? Seegoon (talk) 20:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I've been meaning to bring this up for some time now; what makes websites that we use so frequently in discography articles--everyhit, chartstats, the numerous hit parade charts--reliable per WP:RS? I remember SandyGeorgia pointing out that "everyHit.com is simply an online database of my family's record collection". As for the Hit Parade-affiliated sites (you know those Belgian, Swedish, Swiss... ones) I find them to be grossly incomplete, especially before 2000. For example, while adding Aussie chart info for the R.E.M. discography, I found that australian-charts.com lists only three R.E.M. studio albums that charted (all post-2000 releases). However, R.E.M.: Fiction: An Alternative Biography, (owned by WesleyDodds, who I am collaborating with) indicates that the band has been charting in Australia from as long as 1986! So if the book were never used, we would instead have "—"'s against eight of the band's albums. Also note that we consider "—" to mean that "the album did not chart in that territory"; we do not account for the possibility that our sources are not complete, making us awfully incorrect. What results is a gross under-evaluation of a band's performance in a territory. So can we continue using these sources, willfully knowing that they are crap often unreliable? indopug (talk) 20:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I've had a mini-break through with this problem. The IFPI maintains a list of chart sites here. Therefore, I think it's safe to say that the sites in the list can be considered reliable, since a reliable 3rd party uses them as source of information. The important thing to notice is that they link to the Swiss site HitParade, which in turn operates alot of the other country chart sites that are so popular in discographies. Drewcifer (talk) 08:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Greetings from the Opera Project and congratulations on starting what should be a very worthwhile project.
I see you are bannering recordings (of opera anyway) as well as discographies. I removed one banner thinking it was a mistake (The Record of Singing), but then I thought I should put a note here to clarify the scope of this project. If you are thinking of extending the scope to include recordings there is a lot of useful work to be done on clarifying copyright restrictions etc. so it might be a good idea. Thank you and regards. --Kleinzach (talk) 04:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm fairly new to editing discographies and I'm a little confused on something. In the RIAA certification article, there's a section listing the artists with the most RIAA certified singles and I'm wondering what order they should be put. Should they be listed in the order of how many singles have recieved certification? For instance, Madonna is listed second behind Elvis Presley with 25 gold singles. Is that right or should they be listed in order of how many total gold, platinum, and multi-platinum certifications they have?Odin's Beard (talk) 12:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
The idea for the Discography WikiProject was mine, and I proposed it at the WikiProject Council. Since then, nobody's told me anything about it being created, and I feel sort of left out. Oh, well. I'll work on the WikiProject page's aesthetics. Happy editing! – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 19:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm being (understandably) hounded for charting information to go into the Boredoms discography, but am having a really hard time finding anything. Does anyone know where to get this information? Any help would be greatly appreciated. = ∫tc 5th Eye 13:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi.
This was a Featured list candidate and the archive can be found here. I am asking for help from some of you guys to bring it to featured list. I have already done a lot of work to it and would just like some extra help to finish it off.
If any of you could help that would be great.
Thanks,
--TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 23:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Please take a look at this proposal and express your support or objections. Keep in mind we currently have no guidelines for Discography summary sections whatsoever, so this would at least be a start. Also keep in mind this would not affect discography articles themselves, only the summary sections in the musician's primary article. Kaldari (talk) 18:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I just discovered this template (((Discography list))), which seems to be pretty much contradictory to most of the style guidelines that have been agreed upon so far. I've seen some discographies here and there that used this style, but I just now realized it was a template. As it stands, no FL discography is in this format, and the current style proposal goes against the style as well. I thought I'd bring it up because it seems a little problematic that a template is being used that is so contrary to "standard" discography style. The main problem being that the template is used in over 200 articles, so it's not just a matter of deleting the template. Any thoughts on this? Drewcifer (talk) 19:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey all, just a heads up. I've never been able to find this project in the Wikiproject listings. In fact, I'd previously searched for it and gave up, assuming there must not be one. I found it today, just by luck, when it was linked in a discussion at the WP Biography/Musicians project. Maybe someone more experienced than myself could figure out how to get it listed so interested parties can join us? :) --hamu♥hamu (talk) 21:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Anybody else think it'll be a good idea if instead of alphabetically, we arranged the list of featured discographies in chronological order of gaining FL status (like the good ol' ALM does)? Obvious advantage: we can check for standards of the older ones and cleanup as required. Disadvantage: painful manual labour while rearranging. indopug (talk) 21:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
What is so bad about using flags in discography tables? I don't suppose I'm going to change anybody's mind but does anybody actually agree with me that there's no real reason why they shouldn't be used? What's wrong with this for example? It doesn't look messy - it's functional and to me is much clearer than writing the country.
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I mean if you don't know the flags of the world's major territories then frankly you're an idiot anyway! By the way, before anyone rushes to go and change the article someone's already done it. AcerBen (talk) 10:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Why are videos in a discography. They don't belong their. They belong in a videography page but insted they are in a discography. Please help me understand this. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
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In the RIAA certification article, there's a list of recording artists with the greatest tally, in millions, that's linked to the same list on RIAA.com. The tally included on the lists, however, for some of the artists don't seem to match for the number they actually have according to the RIAA database. For instance, I just picked out Kenny Rogers at random and went to his discography and checked the certification listed in the database and all the certs are accurate and total 51.5 million but the list on RIAA.com lists 51 million units. I double checked the figures again in the database and they still come to 51.5 million units. I think there are some discrepencies with other artists included in the list as well. My question is what figure should go in the article? The list itself comes from RIAA.com but the figure in the list doesn't match up with what's in the database. So I'm a little confused. Odin's Beard (talk) 21:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello project. On a current FLC (Mark Lanegan discography) User:Indopug has said that the release dates for various works does not require citation. WP:CITE suggests: "When a source is needed: Material that is actually challenged by another editor requires a source or it may be removed; and anything likely to incur a reasonable challenge should be sourced to avoid disputes and to aid readers (See policy WP:BURDEN). In practice, this means most such statements are backed by a citation. In case of multiple possible references for a statement, the "best reliable sources" should be used." I'd like to know if WP:DISCOG agree with this viewpoint and, if so, how it can be justified. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
During the peer review for Morrissey discography, User:Ealdgyth asked what makes Finnishcharts.com a reliable source. Now that seems to be a good question and the reason I've used it is because it is recommended on the proposed style guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style. But apparently the other Countrycharts.com sites stated the source of their information at the bottom of the main page: for example Danishcharts.com has "© Copyright Nielsen Music Control for IFPI Danmark" on it. Can we use the ones that don't have a source for their data as reliable sources? --JD554 (talk) 11:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to say that I've been keeping an eye on you (since I'm interested in your project but haven't had time to participate), and you guys are doing a *fabulous* job. If there were an "effective group" barnstar (that I knew about), I'd be dropping one on you now. :) Go, your team! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello WP:DISCOGS! Just popped round to ask for some volunteers for reviewing some of the 20 discography, award, and other music-based WP:FLCs! Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 09:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
One thing that I find myself doing in a lot of discography articles is reverting false certs that some editors, particularly anonymous ones, like to put in for just plain vandalism or because they're fans. Anyhow, it got me to wondering about how some should be listed. For instance, I've seen some articles where a double platinum album is listed as 2x Multi-Platinum and I've seen others that don't use the multi prefix. I was wondering if there was a consensus on this minor point. As the RIAA database is the primary source used for album certifications in the U.S., and since the multi prefix is used in the database, should that not be the way it reads in the articles?Odin's Beard (talk) 23:05, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Are all "discographies" supposed to follow this format? It seems geared more towards artists. There is talk in the Madlax article of merging the sound tracks listing in with the main article. Right now List of Madlax albums doesn't fit your style, but it seems excessive to create a page for each album and singles release. Are these within the scope of this project since the focus is more on special songs (opening and ending credits and inserts) and the soundtracks than the artists involved? Marketing does not help either -- e.g. one of insert songs used in several important scenes in Madlax is "I'm Here" which is not on either of the soundtracks but instead is only available as a B track on the "Inside Your Heart" single. Anyway, I'd appreciate some feedback/guidance. Argel1200 (talk) 16:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
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I was wondering if everyone here wouldn't mind keepying an eye on this particular discography or if we should possibly consider protecting it. It seems as though it's been getting nothing but vandalism edits over the past several days, usually from anonymous editors that keep changing RIAA info.Odin's Beard (talk) 02:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
How can that discography be a B? Please tell me cause it doesn't have any sources. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 13:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, which part of that criteria does this discography fail? It's referenced. It's comprehensive. It has a structure (it may not be the SAME structure as other discograpies but there's a strucure), it's well written, has supporting tables, and is appropriately accessible. I'm not seeing why this isn't a B. Or even an A. There is a LOT of information presented, and it's presented well. BBHS, if you unmark this a B again, without a clear consensus on the talk page, I will consider your action to be edit warring and act accordingly. ++Lar: t/c 15:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Please ensure any lists you submit at WP:FLC have had each of their references checked. Time after time I'm checking references which lead to search engine pages, or general pages with nothing specific. I'm then left to guess what to do next to get the information I require to reference the detail in the article. This is not good enough. Specific references need to be just that, specific. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I've been working on the Tori Amos discography for a while and another editor and I have been wondering about the difference between live albums and official bootlegs. What is the difference exactly and should these releases be lumped together into one category or be listed separately in different categories?
In the case of Tori Amos, there has been only 1 (soon will be 2) live album releases, but there are 6 official bootlegs (CD and digital release) from her 2005 tour and 27 (!) official bootlegs (digital release only) from her 2007 tour; therein lies the vagueness between the two sections and how to handle them. Any advice/insight would be appreciated. --Pisceandreams (talk) 12:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I have a suggestion to create a collaboration drive every month (or fortnight) similiar to Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Collaboration were a discography will be selected as the collaboration, and everyone will work to improve it as much as possible (or featured list status). I do not have a candidate, but I would be more than happy to participate. If you support or oppose this idea, feel free to comment below. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
If there are more than 10 (I've been told that's the limit for FL status), then how do you decide which ones to drop when you have too many? I have come up with a few possibilities and would like to know which is right:
Help me? Andre666 (talk) 19:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I recently noticed that John Coltrane discography was rated stub class. This is a very complete discography, it is fully-cited, has enough text to explain the essentials of Coltrane's recording career. I was wondering why it was not rated at least a start-class article. It definitely has clean-up issues, but that's all I can really see wrong with it. Some items required for more popular music, such as sales and chart position, really don't apply to jazz, while other items, such as label information, which is often crucial in jazz, are less so in popular music. I was wondering if the criteria makes it difficult if not impossible for a jazz discography to be a good article, unless the jazz musician has big sale, like Kenny G? Should there be a different criteria for jazz (and for that matter, also classical) discographies? THanks Editor437 (talk) 21:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Last night, I created a discography for the band Three Dog Night using www.allmusic.com as the source for the album and singles chart information. There's already a little trouble brewing as User:Don1962 continues to go to the article and add songs that aren't shown under the group's list of singles at allmusic.com. He says the singles are listed at the band's website so I'm uncertain as what to do in this situation. I've been to the sites of group's and artists where some of the material shown on their site contradicts some info that's listed at allmusic. I'd appreciate some opinions. Thanks.Odin's Beard (talk) 23:24, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
On allmusic's Three Dog Night biography page say that: "Three Dog Night scored a succession of 21 hit singles, including eleven Top Tens, and twelve consecutive gold albums from 1969 to 1975..."—In the official website listing 22 singles, making both sites as correct, because excluding the single "Nobody" (1968) which peak at number 116 in the Billboard can not be considered a "hit" on relation with others songs by this band.
I used these sources:
Canniba loki 02:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe that it's time that Korn's Discography be promoted to A-Class. It still needs revision on the EP section, but overall, it's A-class material. Thanks! Wii Wiki (talk) 01:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I've made an Ingebrigt Håker Flaten discography. It's my first discography, so I would really appreciate some feedback. I was particularly unsure how to arrange the different ensembles. I didn't sort out the live albums etc, since it would've been quite confusing with all those sections. Any comments? --Ole Eivind (talk) 11:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
I have noticed that when discographies contain and "other appearances" or "compilation contributions" section, or something to that effect, they only list unique songs, i.e. those which have not appeared on a previous album. Why is this? Don't get me wrong, I agree with it, but it should be differentiated from soundtrack/compilation appearances with songs already on albums... if you get me. Andre666 (talk) 05:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Does anybody else think this website should be added as a source for the French charts? It's already listed here as a source for certification, but they also have chart position and archives going back to the year 2000. according to the website about SNEP it is their responsibility for compiling the music charts so they seem the best source to use. --JD554 (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed a lot of the articles have infoboxes that lists how many studio, live, compilations music videos, and blab blah. Are they really necessary? They strike me as pretty redundant seeing as how that a reader can learn the same information by reading over the article itself. Also, a lot of them just plain look awful. For a couple of good examples, see the Cher discography and Ozzy Osbourne discography. The infoboxes in those two, and in others I've seen, overlaps and blurs right into sections of the articles, making some of the info difficult to make out. Odin's Beard (talk) 22:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
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See Talk:A Perfect Circle discography#Broken references. That discography was built off of Tool's and uses a lot of the same references that it and many other discogs use. It appears these sites have gone down. This is something that will probably affect a lot of music articles. لenna vecia 06:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
In the article Relient K discography, it has been tagged for 5 months with notability, it is referenced (with one source) but i fail to see the notability of it. It seems the religious sector of editors keep re-adding it (it has been removed a few times, once or twice by myself) claiming that it is notable. I'm really not too sure, if anyone can clarify this for me and/or provide an efficient way of dealing with the issue, that would be much appreciated. kiac (talk) 09:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Imagine the following:
Album X reaches number 47 on a given chart. Later on, the same album is re-released as a special edition and this time peaks at number 6, for example, on the same chart. Which number should we enter in the chart's table: the chart position original release or the highest one overall, since it's a list of peak positions? Thanks — Do U(knome)? yes...or no 08:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
←If you don't put the highest chart position, it wouldn't be the "peak chart position". If a re-release charts higher, I put that chart position with a note to what the original chart position was: see the "People are Strange" entry in the Singles tables of Echo & the Bunnymen discography as an example. --JD554 (talk) 09:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I have been singlehandedly tackling the Kenny Rogers discography, which has been labelled as a "Start" class. While I am not done yet and am not asking for this now, can somebody help me figure out how to get its status checked when I am? I've burned through 1976-1986 already and have a few more studio albums to locate (which should be MUCH easier to find than the older ones have been), as well as some compilation albums. After finishing 2008, I expect to submit the discography for review again immediately.
As a side note, I'm motivated slightly by my finding out today that my father owns the CD version of Duets, a 1984 release by his truly. I will soon be enjoying the leadoff duet from that album on my laptop. =D
NEwho, on topic, anyone may reply here or on my talk page. If you reply here (to also help benefit others), please contact me on my own talk page and let me know. =)
CycloneGU (talk) 04:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I've recently expanded the above article and have submitted it for peer review at Wikipedia:Peer review/The Cure discography/archive1 with a view to taking it to WP:FLC. Any constructive criticism gratefully received. --JD554 (talk) 15:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey guys! Eminem discography is up at peer review Wikipedia:Peer review/Eminem discography/archive1. Any comments, suggestions and ideas are welcome! — Do U(knome)? yes...or no 03:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)