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Dispatches: Good article milestone

There are now more than 4000 Good Articles, and for the first time there are more than twice as many Good Articles as Featured Articles. The numbers of both Good Articles and Featured Articles have been growing steadily, but despite this expansion, most Wikipedia articles do not meet either of these standards. The Good Article process has changed significantly in the three years since it was first introduced. At this milestone, and following a recent debate over whether or not Good Article status should be displayed in mainspace, perhaps it is time for another rethink.

History




The Good Article (GA) process was introduced in October 2005; its original purpose was to recognise very short or very specific articles, which at the time were not eligible for Featured Article (FA) status. As the Featured Article process evolved, to accept short yet comprehensive articles, the Good Article process in turn changed: it now recognises a wide range of articles which do not yet meet the Featured Article criteria. The Good Article criteria demand that, to pass muster, an article should be "well written, factually accurate and verifiable, broad in coverage, neutral in point of view, stable, and illustrated, where possible, by relevant images with suitable copyright licenses". The differences between GA and FA criteria are that Good Articles are "satisfactory" whereas Featured Articles represent "our very best work".

Milestones

The number of Good Articles has grown rapidly: there were 1000 by June 2006, 2000 by April 2007, and we reached 3000 in late October 2007. Now, shortly after the Featured Article total crossed the 2000 mark, the number of Good Articles has exceeded 4000. And on 4 May 2008, for the first time there were twice as many Good as Featured articles.

Even so, fewer than 0.18% of the encyclopedia's articles are Good Articles, i.e., certified "satisfactory", and fewer than 0.09% are Featured, that is, our "very best work"; most of Wikipedia's content is neither. At current rates of growth, the discrepancy between Wikipedia's typical article and its best ones isn't likely to change any time soon. The Featured Article count grows by approximately two articles per day. Can the Good Article process help? Well, no, not significantly at the moment: Good Article growth has been fairly stable at six articles a day. That is three times as many as Featured, but it means that the 2:1 ratio is the last such milestone we will see: 3:1 is an asymptote.

Process

The GA process differs from other review processes. Whereas a Featured article candidacy and Peer review involve reviews by multiple editors, a Good article nomination is generally reviewed by only one editor. This is both GA's strength and its weakness. It is a strength because it is efficient: a GA review typically involves only two editors (the reviewer and the nominator), yet if they can agree that an article meets basic standards of quality, then that article is likely better than 95% of the encyclopedia. It is a weakness because different editors interpret the Good Article criteria in different ways.

The Good Article solution to this problem is to make it as easy to delist a Good Article as to list it. The idea is that consensus will eventually be reached by multiple listings and delistings, with article content being improved throughout. This ideal is far from being realised, and there are many editors critical of the Good Article process, with some justification. However, the only way to really understand a process is to get involved, and a further strength of the Good Article process is the enthusiasm and dedication of those editors who choose to do so. All review processes depend vitally on their reviewers. Please come and help out!

Recent discussions

How a Good Article might look with a green dot

The 2:1 milestone arrived just as a discussion on using Good Article signs in the mainspace was closed. This began with the suggestion, which has been proposed several times before, that Good Articles should be recognised, like Featured Articles, with a sign or symbol visible on the article itself, like the bronze FA star. The ensuing discussion was vigorous, with well over a hundred users presenting their views for or against. As Sam, the closing admin, put it, it soon became clear that what was at stake was more than a "poll about putting a little green symbol on pages"; rather, in Sam's words, there are some "big issues" involved, about the future direction of the GA process, and indeed the role of assessment in the encyclopedia as a whole. There was no consensus to add such a symbol.

Now, much more recently, there have been a series of proposals to make changes to the Wikipedia Version 1.0 assessment scale, and a community discussion is underway. Some want to revise the role of the GA process within the broader assessment system; others want to separate out the FA and GA designations from the assessments (A-class, B-class, Start-class) managed by WikiProjects. These proposals arose out of an observation about B-class articles: some are much closer to GA standard than others. At the heart of the matter is the question of what makes for a good enough Wikipedia article.

Future directions

It is time, therefore, to revisit the role of the Good Article process within the encyclopedia as a whole. Foreign-language Wikipedias have successfully copied the GA/FA mould forged here, but there is still tension between the processes on the English Wikipedia. The recent debate on the Good Article sign illustrated this well: many other Wikipedias mark Good Articles with such a symbol, but here there is a sense of caution, a need for transparency, and a question about what Good Article really means.

There are two quite different reactions to these observations. One is to make the Good Article requirements more precise and more stringent, and to develop more exacting processes to ensure quality control. The other is to accept that the Good Article process will never reliably produce articles meeting an exacting standard, but that Good Articles are at least far better than the vast majority.

If we were to choose the first option, there would be less disparity between our Featured and our Good articles, but this would ensure that, in all likelihood, there were never many more than twice as many of the latter as the former. If we chose the second, however, a process might emerge that would more efficiently bring more Wikipedia articles up to at least an approximate standard. We might even envisage a future milestone, in which there were, say, ten times as many Good Articles as Featured Articles, and in which a far greater proportion of the encyclopedia's content would be at least satisfactory.


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History

I see there's a bit of an inline debate going on; this doesn't seem very efficient, so I'm putting it here. Comments indented.

When? I can't find this info anywhere
  • to recognise shorter articles, which at the time were not eligible for featured article (FA) status.
(SandyG?:)Add some history here, who started, date started, original proposal, etc.
G'guy: Save for another dispatch
JBM: a little wouldn't hurt

Hope that clarifies things. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 05:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the first GA page, to add the first GA article names for History, maybe. Most interesting that, in the first iteration, GAs weren't passed by one editor. They were listed in a central place (sound familiar :-) and if no one objected in 24 hours, then they were added. Also interesting that images were generally needed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for this. I also found the date when the process began, so have in fact erased the inline debate. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 06:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strange that, in the first batch of GAs, several of them are still GA, but a couple of them are currently unassessed. How silly that an article goes from GA to unassessed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now, now, SandyG!  ;) --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 06:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if an article is de-listed, doesn't it go to B-class? What happened to those, did they just get lost in the system? Or even if they deteriorated over time, wouldn't they be at least start class? I might go track some of them down and figure out where their assessments got lost. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think Gguy's reply would be that we shouldn't confuse the GA/FA system from the stub/start/B/(confusingly also)GA/A system that is managed by projects, not by the community as a whole. I can see his logic; I'm not sure I'm yet fully convinced. But this is perhaps not the place for that debate, though I think that this article aims to open it. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 06:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflit) Got the answer, found the same, it has to do with Projects. When they were delisted (Fall 2007), since there were no Project tags on the article talk pages, there's no place to add a current assessment (btw, GimmeBot automatically assigns B-class when articles are de-featured at FAR). Anyway, if you want to add a History stat, it would be:

Of the eight articles first listed at GA on October 11, 2005, four are currently GA, two are B-class and two are unassessed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should this mention worldtraveller somewhere, and WP:ESA? Gimmetrow 06:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Gimmetrow, if you know the history, please fill it in. I've been prompting someone to add it, but I don't know it. First time I've ever heard of WP:ESA. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I guess it's too late. Maybe another time. Gimmetrow 02:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics

A question about the statistics:

Even so, fewer than 0.18% of the encyclopedia's articles are Good Articles, i.e. certified "satisfactory". And fewer than 0.09% are Featured, that is, our "very best work". Approximately 99.75% of Wikipedia's content is neither.

Does this sufficiently take account either a) other featured content (lists, portals, images) or b) non-articles (dab pages, redirects, etc.)? I mean, I'm sure that the general gist remains the same, but can we be confident enough to give accuracy to two decimal places? --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 06:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right; I don't know how to do the numbers, though, since I don't know how other content breaks down. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(I know, I know, Other Stuff calls, but...) Just looking at the chart here, if the pattern is representative of WP as a whole (can it be?), fully 14% of the encyclopedia's pages are categories. Can this be so? --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 06:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index, which shows assessments on 1.6 million of our current 2.4 million articles. Using those (obviously wrong) numbers, we still come close to the same percentages, but ... I don't think we know enough about the numbers to be using the 99% number at all. Portals aren't assessed, for instance. It's safer just to say what the combined total is. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 07:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Back later

I've been working on this some, but have to stop for now; I'll be back later, perhaps in the morning. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 06:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not to worry; for as long as we've been doing this, the Signpost has been running a few days late. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

Just to complicate things :-) Can we squeak in a footnote or something about this? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uff, yes. My God, this whole assessment thing is a can of worms, no? --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 06:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ugh ... don't even want to go there, but an A-class MilHist review is definitely worth something, even if none of the others are. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ach. OK, I was supposed to go off and do my Other Stuff, but heck... it's not as though there are simply too many people queuing up to help out at FAC/R and GAN/R, and we have to turn them away, is it? Anyhow. Other Stuff calls. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 06:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Byline and thanks

Both Sandy and Jbm have contributed enormously to the improvements to this dispatch today, and I encourage them both to consider adding their names to the byline. I've encouraged Jbm on his talk page to do so. I know that Sandy may regard her much-valued role here as coordinating and copyediting dispatches rather than coauthoring, and recognise that this piece carries some opinion. I am truly grateful to Karanacs for stepping in when I was lost for further words. I am happy with any byline, and I promise to take the responsibility and the flak as first author, but will gladly credit my coauthors and others for converting my vague thoughts into a considerably better piece. Thank you! Geometry guy 20:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I try to stay out of the byline, as I generally only tweak and add links and things like that ... my edit count racks up because of the constant little tweaks, but I rarely add anything of substance. And everyone knows my prose stinks, so I need no credit for adding wikilinks :-) Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nevertheless, your multiple little tweaks are much appreciated, my dear :-) Geometry guy 21:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Chocolates, please :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did you not get the lorry-load I sent you for Easter? :-) Geometry guy 21:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
<grumble, grumble> Going after that UPS driver who is stealing my chocolates again. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, two separate lorries next year, one for the chocolate eggs, and one for the chocolate bunnies :-) (Maybe we should stage them a bit, which came first?...) Geometry guy 22:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pah! Anyhow, I think the article still lacks a little je ne sais quoi... Will return to it in a short while. Have tried to think of images to add; have generally failed to come up with anything worthwhile. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 23:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ping Tony; he likes to jazz them up at this stage with images and catchy marketing :-) I've got my head in malformed fac files, where I need admin tools. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to tell me what I have to do, I can help you with those files. I did look at the relevant page, but didn't get it exactly. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 23:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am afraid those pages are so messed up that only Gimmetrow (who understands articlehistory and GimmeBot and FAC files) will be able to sort them. They would be a real challenge for someone learning the tools, especially since we're going back through the files to correct errors that are now years old :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, gotcha. But if you find a way in which I can be useful, then do give me a shout. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 00:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it is time to persuade Sandy to accept an RfA nomination :-) That aside, note that Tony has clear views about GA (not generally positive, and I understand his position). I will be further impressed by him if he enhances this piece without changing the current tone. However he is busy and may likewise recuse, which is not a problem. Any ideas to add a bit of spice will be welcome, although I am happy with the piece as it is. Geometry guy 23:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Will leave it up to you all. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'm again done for now. Must return to my endlessly-postponed Other Stuff. --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 00:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image

(Mostly to Acer:) Thanks for this. I did try that before, but to my eye it looks wrong, mostly because the image starts above the headline. Which is why, after also trying everything else, I gave up in (self-)disgust... --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 23:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You want me to try again, or your taking another stab yourself? (trying different sizes might be the best option) Acer (talk) 23:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Go for it! --jbmurray (talkcontribs) 00:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I dont think we're gona be able to get around the image starts above headline issue... No matter what I do that always happens... Acer (talk) 00:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Technically...

"That is three times as many as Featured, but it means that the 2:1 ratio is the last such milestone we will see: 3:1 is an asymptote." - shouldn't that have been: "That is three times as many as Featured, but it means that the 2:1 ratio is the last such milestone we will see unless the ratio of the rate increases changes, since the current ratio of the rate increases (3:1) is an asymptote.". The rest of the article makes this clear, with its talk of a possible future 10:1 ratio, but the finality of that sentence confused me for a while. Carcharoth (talk) 10:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]