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*sigh*
Could some non-involved sysop (are there any left, now?) please protect the page, as User:80.255 doesn't seem to want to engage in further discussion ("Ping pong!" as an edit comment isn't terribly inspiring, TBH)?
James F. (talk) 19:39, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Could somebody tell me when ill be able to download tomeraider wikipedia?
Moved to Talk:M.R.M. Parrott.
I created the article Éothéod during the wikipedia problems of Dec 28, and the article does exist, but all articles linking to it seem not to be aware: the link is marked as a non-exist article. I have tried to resolve it by performing an edit on Éothéod, but alas without success. Jor 14:24, Dec 30, 2003 (UTC)
I am always interested on knowing whether examples of a particular aircraft have been preserved. Two of interest, because my father made me models of them, are the Handley Page Hampden and the Vickers Wellington.
Keith Lucas kwl@aber.ac.uk
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) suggests using English unless the native form is more commonly used in English than the anglicised form, which in this case it isn't as there are only 60 Google hits for "Rudolf Heß" if you limit the search to English pages, compared to over 15000 for "Rudolf Hess". Angela. 06:19, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I agree: use Rudolf Hess as the almost universally-used name in English. In addition, I believe German spelling reform now means that Hess and not Heß is the proper spelling in German as well, though I'm not sure whether this is applied to names or not. --Delirium 09:57, Dec 30, 2003 (UTC)
I think the English page should be Rudolf Hess, but I wonder about the google numbers. A search for "Rudolf Heß" is extended by google to "Rudolf Hess" (at least if I use google.co.uk or google.com from Germany - even with the link above! -, I'm not sure if this applies universally, and finds some 8.000 pages). If I search for "Rudolf Heß" -Hess, it still get's 2.800 pages. Only if one turns it to "english language only", the page number is reduced to 45. -- till we *) 12:58, Dec 30, 2003 (UTC)
I'd say put it at "Hess". Practicality should be more important than issues of whether English or German speakers are using the more "correct" form of the name. The practical issues here are (1) in other articles, it's marginally better to link to the page itself than a redirect to the page, and (2) if you're writing an article in English, you'll always want the visible link text to be "Hess", not "Heß". If the article were at "Heß", then links would thus best be [[Rudolf Heß|Rudolf Hess]] rather than [[Rudolf Hess]]. That wouldn't be very intuitive, and I don't think it's worth it for a point of linguistic etiquette. If the issue needs highlighting, then the article itself should do that, not the title of the article. Onebyone 16:05, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Google tells me there's "about 87" hits for Heß on English pages. I checked some, and many of them are either quoting German text or belong to neo nazi organizations. I say, go with Hess. Zocky 16:18, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I agree that the article should live at Rudolf Hess (much as I love the ß) and want to add a little note thanking Raul and Schnee for demonstrating how disputes on Wikipedia should happen: polite disagreement (not just caving when someone disagrees with you), the decision to make sure the community is involved, and an overall spirit of Wikilove. I'm happier just having read this thread. :) Jwrosenzweig 16:31, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
This is the English Wikipedia. We should no more have an article at Heß than at Wien. RickK 05:08, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
There are lots of folks like Albrecht Dürer, Ernst Thälmann or Franz Josef Strauß. Should they all be changed to Albrecht Duerer, Ernst Thaelmann and Franz Josef Strauss if google gave more hits with the "wrong" spelling? Or do we make an exception especially for Rudolf? -- User:Moehre 08:04, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Schnee and I have a question about the following articles - Rudolf Hess and Rudolf Heß. He moved the article from Hess to Heß (making Hess a redirect), and I moved it back again. We talked it over (I am copying our discussion below) and we wanted to get everyone's opinion on which one to make the article and which one to make a redirect . It basically boils down to - Hess is the way it is always spelled in English, but Heß is the proper german way of spelling it.
--Raul654 02:09, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Been thinking of making this, list of teenagers, not people who became famous as children, mind you, only as teenagers, what do you think? Antonio Forever Young Martin
I agree with Metasquares in general. However, if there is a clear need for it, go ahead. If there is no need for it, don't bother. —Frecklefoot 08:52, 30 Dec 2003 (PST)
There is a List of youngsters in history, that has a list of teenagers included in it. Adam Bishop 17:16, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Good to see you. Zocky 03:11, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Thanks to all the Wikimedia developers (Brion, et al) and sysads and employees at Bomis (Jason, et al)! Hope that the 23K raised could really help with the redundancy effort. :) --seav 03:32, Dec 30, 2003 (UTC)
Time for the most unique rider's club to reunite again, the wikiriders!! LOL!
Antonio Harley Wikipedison Martin
Agreed, thanks to everyone who works so hard on keeping Wikipedia going. And everyone, give yourselves pats on the back for contributing to the fundraiser! (You did contribute to the fundraiser, right? If not, what are you waiting for? :-) -- Wapcaplet 21:05, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken, if a page is deleted, contribution refords on that page is not listed on "User contributions" and "My contributions" pages. But I would like to double-check on this. I and others are now discussing a possible defamation case between two Japanese Wikipedians, and we may soon try to delete a certain summary comment that is allegedly defamatory. Is deleting a page enough to eliminate the comment, or should we possibly have to ask special help? Tomos 01:29, 28 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Is there/should there be either a standard designation for the plethora of articles on the characters, locations, etc. of self consistent fictional universes. Those of science fiction and fantasy seem to be especially prevalent (e.g. Star Trek, Star Wars, Tolkien's Middle-Earth, Harry Potter). A few of these could almost sustain a wiki-encyclopedia of their own... As it's traditionally not customary for encyclopedia to include numerous articles on fictional characters... has this issue been hashed out already? - Seth Ilys 21:22, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of encyclopedias. There is therefore nothing wrong with having a great many Middle Earth, Star Trek or Star Wars articles if there is enough to write about each subject. But if all there ever can be is a stub on a subject then it should be merged into a larger article. There certainly is no consensus to do this to the extent the Eloquence suggests. --mav 13:02, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
During the drafting of my user page many errors were made while scripting the various links.
--azwaldo 16:25, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Please continue this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Logos and Wikipedia:Logos
Hello again,
and sorry for my perfectible english. I see that my question about the presence of commercial logos in wikipedia pages has disappeared from the village pump, so I put it again because from my point of view, these logos don't bring any information; on the other side such a logo entertain the image of the company in our minds, that's why I consider it as advertising. Why do you think commercial firms pay a lot of money to have their logos visible during big events? Hémant 15:47, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Please continue this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Logos and Wikipedia:Logos
Can a list be copyright? The article List of former members of the U.S. House of Representatives has been copied directly from a website called Nationmaster.com ( http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Historic-Members-of-the-United-States-House-of-Representatives ), but it's only a list of names and I don't know if a list can be copyrighted. If it is, ought it be deleted? Adam 15:26, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I have been looking for a complete list of members of the House back to 1789 by district and party, but I can only find one back to 1824 - any suggestions? Adam 15:35, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Check Wikipedia. We have computer-generated lists for First United States Congress to Thirtieth United States Congress. ;-) Danny 15:44, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Start with the Senators; there are less of those. I am trying my hand at a table of Senators for the First Congress. Danny 16:18, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I already have a complete list of Senators somewhere, which is easy to get from the Congressional Quarterly Guide to US Elections, which I bought for $50 in San Francisco in 1987. I might turn that into a WP article soon. The House is much harder. Adam 16:23, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
A plain list can not be copyright. -- Tarquin 17:56, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
There are two things called Rainbow six/6, a book and a computer game based on it. The game is at Rainbow 6 (video game) (It was at Rainbow 6, but I changed the name. The book is at Rainbow six. I am fairly new to Wikipedia, at least to editing, as I've been registered for quite a while, so I would like some help in what to do here. One issue is that people would get one entry if they searched for Rainbow six, and another for Rainbow 6.
I think there should probably be a disambiguation page for one of them to the book and game, and the other one should re-direct to the first, but I'm not sure how to do that. Also, the book entry could be turned into a disambiguation as it references the book and game, alternatively, we could create a new disambiguation page, and leave the book entry (Rainbow six) to be just on the book (possibly as a stub).
Basically, I would like some advice on how to handle this, and possibly someone to deal with it themselves, and walk me through the process involved, so I have a better idea of how things work here. Thanks Silverfish 14:13, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Hi! Here's a minor puzzler: an un-logged-in user (24.202.135.211) has made something like 25 edits to Priory of Sion in the past hour or so- how would one go about pointing out the preview button to someone who presumably doesn't check their talk page? Or would one just use the talk page anyway? Thanks for any light you can shed! - Puffy jacket 09:11, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Clicking the highlighted text (link) where an image is suggested within an article yields a blank browser screen (IE) with the following URL in the "Address" field:
http://127.0.0.1:1027/clear.cgi?
(The above URL was obtained by clicking on the highlighted portion of the following entry in the wiki/Special:Imagelist page)
(desc) Kinggus.jpg . . 9050 bytes . . J.J. . . 01:47, 27 Dec 2003 (Government portrait of Swedish King)
Any suggestions?
According to Apple documentation, the official correct name for the protocol is "AppleTalk", not "Appletalk". Yet, it's the "Appletalk" page that has the text and the "AppleTalk" page that is the redirect. Anyone going to have a problem with me flipping this inaccuracy? RedWolf 05:44, Dec 27, 2003 (UTC)
Articles flip completed. RedWolf 22:00, Dec 27, 2003 (UTC)
Has it become standard to indicate films by adding "(films)" or "(movies)" after the title. If it is only for disambiguation I don't think Alphaville, une étrange aventure de Lemmy Caution (film) is necessary. TwoOneTwo 00:34, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thank you to whomever fixed the system after the xmas crash. Kingturtle 23:27, 26 Dec 2003 (UTC) P.S. can someone direct me to the this is not wikipedia page so I can retrieve some stuff I was working on during the xmas crash? Kingturtle
While researching the article on medical prescription, I stumbled across information on what consistutes a valid DEA number (US government's Drug Enforcement Agency). That, is the number of letters and digits and the relationship of the digits and letters within the DEA number. While this information is clearly public, including it Wikipedia certainly aids criminals in prescription forgeries. Should I include it in an article? (The same discussion would apply to credit card numbers, etc.) Samw 00:40, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Thanks for everyone's input. I've added a description of the checksum algorithm to Drug Enforcement Administration. Samw 21:39, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Merry christmas and best wishes for Peace Profound! Optim 06:51, 25 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Has Wikipedia or at least the Village Pump been taken over by an authoritarian regime or what? For days now I've been trying to find out why the "list of links" may be incomplete and what could be done about it, but all I get is no reaction (Wikipedia talk:Bug reports) or my question being archived, i e deleted (here, this morning). I don't give up easily, so here it is again. To all of you who believe in Jesus, a merry Christmas! --KF 23:33, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I've seen tags for the number of articles (6,829,907) and stubs (
). Is there a page somewhere with a complete listing of them? --Raul654 21:22, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
In producing a wikipedia in another language (in Hungarian, for instance) it may/would be useful for the Hungarian native speakers to have the option of some sort of alignment between phrases and/or sections of texts in an article or the headwords themselves. In the Hungarian texts one could keep in brackets or otherwise the hypertext links that are to be contrasted with the Hungarian terms/concepts and their domain. That can help further translation or learning English, which may of course be out of your scope. But should be? For instance it is very tempting/challenging to translate and/or write the article knowledge in Hungarian which would result in two words tudás and ismeret respectively. They are then used to form a number of other phrases connected with knowledge and to be detailed within. All that may be necessary to explain, just as similar differences in mapping other words are very likely and call for commenting. Further examples include the names of various courses and degrees, a constant headache for translators of diplomas and certificates for accreditation. ~~apogr~~
Just a feature plug: I'm running a simple IRC bot on irc.freenode.net which dumps recent changes to the #enrc.wikipedia channel. Some people might find it useful. French and German bots are also running, at #derc.wikipedia and #frrc.wikipedia. I've recently improved it so that the bot doesn't have to be manually restarted all the time. There are no immediate plans to extend the service to the other wikis, I don't want to annoy our friends at Freenode too much. -- Tim Starling 12:09, Dec 24, 2003 (UTC)
I was browsing SourceForge to see what was happening and I spotted a report about "IMDB InterWiki namespace incorrectly expanded (out of date)" (it's ID 856707: I would link to it but I'm uncertain what all the doo-dads in the SF URL do). I didn't even know there was such a thing, and I have searched in vain for an explanation. I tested the described behaviour (IMDB:American Pie) and it happens just as stated. Where is the official blurb on this feature? Phil 09:41, Dec 24, 2003 (UTC)
What do I add to the end of the URL to highlight certain words on a page? --Jiang 09:38, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Right now there is a slightly-more-than-stub article about the Committee of Public Safety (during the French Revolution) as such, but much more about the Committee in the excellent article on Maximilien Robespierre (largely from the 1911 Britannica). I kind of like leaving the article on Robespierre intact. Should I just add something to the "Committee of Public Safety" saying, "See also Maximilien Robespierre for a good discussion of the committee and its members", or should I duplicate the content, or what? -- Jmabel 07:55, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Recently added a page for Twin towns and wondered if there was a way of automatically making the towns added to the list generate the twin info on the article for that town.
e.g. On the Twin towns page you might add: Oxford - Bonn; Is there a quick way of getting the pages for Oxford and Bonn to have something like:
Twin town: Bonn and Twin town: Oxford
added to their respective articles
[user:btljs]
Hello I would only like to know how do I say I LOVE YOU MY WIFE in Romanian I speek english and am for the US please if you could help me I would appriciate it Thanks Ted here is my email tcecilus2000@yahoo.com
How can I "swap" Ann Danielewski and Poe (singer) ?
A general notice of an error to be rectified:
There were two different articles on the Hua-Yen / Huayan school of Buddhism. I made their texts consistent (and corrected one misleading statement), but there are still two separate pages.
Also, I'm not the greatest master of HTML, so the formatting could probably be improved.
Here's the text for both articles as they now stand.
One of the sysops should elminate one of the two pages, and make sure that all the links are sorted out.
[Probably, there are other problems with Chinese words being Romanized with more than one method]
E.M.
It's great that articles like Architecture of the United States are linked to "sideways" topics like Architecture of the United States. But could we find a way of doing this without a table? They are undesirable for a large number of reasons, and only articles where tabular data is essential should have one. -- Tarquin 17:38, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Finlay McWalter 17:51, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
No complex markup needed. -- Tarquin 20:43, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Well, there is the new table syntax, which is still slightly complicated. I converted the table on Architecture of the United States to the new syntax. It's still a bit of code at the beginning, but it's a lot prettier than the HTML. -- Merphant 08:07, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Help!!
I can't find any basic detailed information on random graphs anywhere and neither can my project tutor. If you help me please email strokable@hotmail.com.
Stubs are supposed to be very short articles, supposedly even without a comma. But I've noticed that many short articles, which just need expansion, have the notice "This article is a stub". Should we be doing this?
Real stubs (with or without a comma) are not properly formed encyclopaedic articles, and should be immediately sent to cleanup, while short articles should be listed on something like:Wikipedia:Articles needing expansion. Maybe thay could have a notice, like "This article needs more work. See the talk page for details."
A whole another thing is that some articles may even need to be short. Zocky 16:58, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Hello villagers. As most good ideas in the world, wiki is becoming so obvious now that one is sure one did really have this idea before (which is obviously false, because ideas don't exist before they are realized). But, anyway, I have done a little web-site on Chinese culture (Classics, poetry...) where I wanted to add many cross-links on any name or important noun, but I never made that because it's too hard to code and maintain. It would be awfully convenient for me to be able to do that massive in-text linking using wiki's markup language. I guess I would only need to include the parse-link function in my php, to translate [[link]] into <a href="wikipedia.org/blabla"> bla </a>. Is it possible to grab politely this chunk of code somewhere? I do believe that it's a great improvement for any dedicated web-site to link many names, titles, or words on a ever-evoluting free encyclopedia (mostly because links should never be broken). I know that my question should be written somewhere else, but where? gbog 16:27, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
According to the current list of popular articles, the individual whose article is most frequently viewed is Aria Giovanni. This amazes me. For those of you who are unfamiliar with her, Ms Giovanni is a relatively obscure nude model and soft core porno actress. But by at least one standard she's more famous than George Bush, Saddam Hussein, Jesus Christ, or Britney Spears.
I don't have a point to make about this except that I find this very strange. MK 0124 EST 23 December 2003
Back before the Wiki Search was taken down, there used to be a Search log, where we could see what things people were searching for. Is that still available? RickK 06:32, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
What is the relationship between Wiki and Clublet? Why won't my Wiki username let me post/reply there. There is not page, that I can find, that lets me register with Clublet seperately. Is it me, or is Saturn too close?--anon
I was reading Drum and bass and saw this notice at the top of a table: This article is part of the Electronic music series. When did Wikipedia articles get categories? Where can I find guidelines to incorporating articles into categories?
The voting for this is on going, but there have not been many voters (a notable exception in an almost entirely negative Tuf-Kat). Could a note of this winnowing be put somewhere prominent, eg Recent Changes, to encourage participation? TwoOneTwo 23:46, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I'm idly considering working on a generalized 3D model of important parts of an automobile, completely assembled, for the benefit of current or future articles that may need illustration. Significant bits I'd like to include:
This is obviously a large undertaking; I am thinking of loosely basing the model on the illustrations in the repair manual for my Corolla, and plan to essentially build the car from scratch, body and all, in Blender. I'm confident that it can be done, but I'd be interested in hearing opinions on whether it would be worthwhile. Eventually, it'd be great to get a fine enough level of detail to make it applicable for illustrating almost any aspect of how a car works. There's probably enough encyclopedia-like information on automobile construction to make a fairly decent WikiProject out of it. Thoughts? -- Wapcaplet 21:14, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Still images (jpg or png) would be easy to export, but since the resulting images will be raster, rather than vector, I don't think Flash would be a possibility without additional conversion. Animations are easy enough to do with Blender, but they'd be .avi or another video format, and probably prohibitively large. What kind of ancient temples and machines do you have in mind? Request them and I'll see what I can do :-) -- Wapcaplet 16:43, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Well, with the approach I'm using, Flash is not likely to be a possibility, so no worries on that front. I've finished the basic body of the car (no interior or wheels yet) and have a rough idea of where I'm going to place some of the engine components; I haven't decided how detailed the eventual model will be, but it will certainly have enough detail to indicate where most of the important parts of a car are (though only in the most general way, since vehicles are all different), and probably a little bit about what they look like. Later, I can go further and flesh out the detail of each piece, aiming for something pretty close to functional realism (if not visual realism). I hope to be able to use the diagrams to explain, for example, how coolant flows through the engine, radiator, and heater core; how the gasoline gets to the engine; how the engine drives the alternator to recharge the battery; how the pressurized brake fluid applies the brakes to the wheels, etc. If anyone else out there is proficient with Blender, please let me know, as this is likely to be a complex project! Later, it'll also be good to have the input of people with automotive expertise. -- Wapcaplet 23:50, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I just had an interesting idea and I wanted to get some feedback. On the main page, we have catagories for "In the News", "Recent Deaths", "New Articles" and "Anniversaries". The only way for a non-timely article to get put there is just after it is created.
My thought was - why not create a 5th catagory - "Featured Articles"
People could nominate articles on the discussion page (or would could have a special page just for that). That way, nontimely articles get their time on the main page too. Personally, a lot of the editing I do is on technical articles, which never makes it to the front page. I think this is a way of rewarding people who have similiar tastes. ---Raul654 10:48, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Maybe the most recent additions to Wikipedia:Brilliant prose would fit the bill? Bmills 10:50, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I agree. Let's add it under the anniversries bar (take out the second line); there's also space in the enclyclopedia box. --Jiang 17:08, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I've created a page for further discussion of this topic --Raul654 17:27, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I see lots of entries which I could add a picture. Should I go ahead and add the picture, or are the guidelines as to which articles should and shouldn't have pictures? Eurleif 04:23, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I may be a bit slow understanding how Wikipedia works, but what does "12314 total pages edited since cutoff" mean? (I'm talking about my basically empty "watchlist".) Edited by whom? Certainly not by me - I've only just discovered Wikipedia. Who or what was cut off (ouch)? Wikikiwi P.S. Hope this is the right place to ask this question.
Update Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits? --Jiang
Someone told me that Marlon Brando's ethnic origin is Maltese or part Maltese. Can someone tell me if this is true or false?
(Moved to Reference desk)
Many writers reviewers are redirecting pooorly to the false article e.g if you are looking for graphics then you will be redircted to computer graphics.well engineering graphics and computer graphics both are diffrrent topics and i dont understand if anyone written short intro to start article like these then you will find those articles deleted immediately and redirected to other releavant artilces.there is no need of redirection you can keep that space blank.i dont know why the heck guys are doing it.this will definitely distract users from using wikipedia.and those writers who want to show their articles on wikipedia are doing this redirecting thing.also some of people from here are actually behaving like they are modertaors or something like that.also deletion of articles is very burning issue here why articles are deleted if they are not copyrighted.could be due to gramatical mistakes.if guys from here are deleting articles constantly due to grammatical mistakes and lableing the article as stub then this is very poor thing.wikipedia is just born project and not taken seriously and as this project is in immature state then this very serious matter.well i think if there are any moderator here should take this thing seriously cause if this continues then many people will sign up here to delete articles and lable it stub.well this will be fun for these guys.and wikipedia will be destroyed in few days as this project took 2 years to reach this position it will be deleted in 2 weeks.as nupedia is down otherwise there is no need for this question also i will imediately move to nupedia if it starts and tell others to dot the same cause when nupedia was there i havent found such issue. its up to you take this serious or not but let me tell you that this is not good.
When are image downloads going to be re-enabled G-Man 00:51, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
While trying to put together an article I noticed uploading has been disabled. I presume this has to do with the temporary(?) nature of the server. Does anyone know or have a good guess as to when I can upload my image? Hadal 11:13, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I missed the party last nite, huh. I was working on my Anthology.
oh, I forgot HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What I do is like M.L. King did but on another level. If you don't get it, don't worry about it I GOT THIS! I am not protest'n or writing no un-read letters to nobody. Us blacks have done it all .YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO A dummy WHAT'S GOING ON and what's not. What IS going to happen and what's NOT going to come-about! What doesn't anybody understand about, Give ____ , to who it rightfully belongs to. If you are a black person, my Q. to you is ?You don't want reparations Or what.. And, how do you propose BLACKS get it? and if you are a white person... NO comment. You don't deserve one. If blacks don't deserve, You don't either! and if you dont understand Too bad!!!!!!!!!!! IT's nothingWE KNOW WHITE PEOPLE AINT GONN' JUST GIVE REPARATIONS. IF YOU GOT A BETTER IDEA DO IT THEN DON'T PUSH THAT DOOR OPEN F- MARCHING, F- WRITE'N LETTERS
CREATE YOUR OWN DOUBLE SIDED BOLD PRINT FLIERS. SIDE A>
Guess What, This lady at the church said she didn't like my letter. What am I susposed to say when all these people get educated on another level and can't comprehend english. I wrote her to let her KNO. I think black folks think they too good for Reparations. while whites play'n keep away! if you are a punk, to go get whats rightfully OURS/YOURS sat down ..?What is anybody doing to recieve Rep.. besides WAITING ON. I'll tell you, I ain't March'n shhhh. I aint talking or sendin some un-read letters to nobody. e real wit cha-self. What do U think people doing? honestly! GETTING THEIR ___ S' Everybody Jack'n. Whuss wrong wit her? Don't act like you you dont live in the world and aint from the streets. JACK-em for Reparations. Do-it right. Blacks don't have to begg for Rep. You take your destiny in your oun hands. I'm am not mad at the individuals who dont understand I woudn't say their stupid but their education got-em.. Issa long STOry. "You Roll Or Get rolled OVer." THE MESSAGE IS SERIOUS. MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS'T LIKE TO BE INCARRCERATED. GOD, HOPES YOU NEVER FIND OUT. It'S PANTHER POWER AT FULL REIGN / RAIN, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT. ALSO, IT IS SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED. HOW ELES IS REPARATIONS GOING TO BE GRANTED TO US SLAVES ANCESTORS? KICK-IN (WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,) IT WAS NO OTHER WAY AND WEATHER YOU ARE WIT- IT OR NOT. THIS SHOW, MUST GO ON. TO KICK IN THE DOOR. I KNO I'M NOT MARCH'N SHH, NOR WAITING ON OTHERS WHO TALK A GOOD GAME TO ME, WITH WAITING ON, MR BILL. I'LL TAKE YOUR OPINION INTO THE VAULT. ? WHAT AM SUSPOSED TO DO KEEP PRAYING TO ME, NOT TO GET NOTING BUT WORK DONE? I HOPE YOU FEEL ME WHEN I SAY THIS, BUT MOST N... ARE CALLED LAZY. AND YOU GOT TO TALK TO THEM REPEATEDLY. TALK THEIR TALK , WALK THEIR WALK, AND ECT.. GOD BLESS this what Ill say to anyone. Black folks caint talk, they aint doin' shh either. All this because I wanted to get Info. on a pardon...
SIDE B>
GOD, giving people something to fight for besides a peacea ASs.. . (Kick-in -nuh door, Let them M-F's know, like they do U.)
REAPRATIONS!! Granted
* NOTICE Revised. 11/03
AFRICAN AMERICANS VS. YA'LL FOLKS
As of November 1, 2003. Reparations are Granted! This is an upstanding document because, "It Is" written. Monthly check's calculated on the 13 day of each month. "Reparations," to the Americans who have taken a loss during the course History. This money will be paid tax money assigned between the regional divide. 100% of 25 States Tax income, will go to Region 1. 100% of 25 States Tax income, will go to Region 2. For the purpose of "just do". Total, 50 States divided. Admittance testimonials of past and present events of bondage, have been displayed as evidence in the plaintiff's defense. Plaintiff/AFRICAN AMERICANS. Repeated confessions of misconduct are explained by the Defendant Party. Defendant/YA'LL FOLKS. The Decided ruling, is stated in the following judgment.. A mandatory 3% will be taken out to AID all minorities. Supplying each Region with a 14% Gain. The voting public, desides if taxes fluctuate. Stolen. As-said, by the defendants testimony. I "quote" also, BOOKS MATERIAL "quote," film documentation, substantial documents, audio and video selections, ect... are described as being the evidence. Providing descriptions of persons being, mutilated, robbed, sold, ect... To ASSIST THE BUILDING OF, the United States. Persons of African American descent* (dating back through history's judgment). All evidence "quote(s)" these acts. Items stolen unaccountable for. Inheritance of mindset harshened.. The glorification, in the meaning "to do." All prisoners are exempt from past criminal punishment. Broad-based scan, according to the tragedy (s), of infliction. Criminals are "FREE" to go. Due to un-just tampering, the human mindset was not capable of making rational decisions. Under past and present false (cir). Circumstances, with the evidence presented. All "laws" & traumatic episodes, were undoubtedly based upon altering. Accusations are not allegeded. All persons who were-not legally willing, to assist in the building of the States are elligible. Proven testimony presented as African American persons. Property of a stolen person(s), stolen or forcefully taken person(s). Are redeemed by this Reparation Grant. Boundary's were set, based upon evidence that African American's have been, Admitting Abused. All evidence have been reviewed. Evidence includes. Video(s). Audio (s), documentation (s), photograph(s) involving past and present issues. Decision ruled was the defendant "YA'LL FOLKS " were/are "GUILTY," of all past crimes. Crimes which have resulted in, stolen persons, stolen property, ect... Documented abusive descriptiveness, in events, have resulted in a, REPARATIONS GRANT. In order to provide the fund's, capable to pay for the reparation's grant. In effort to help build the Unites States of America's economy. Evidence displays, that persons of African American criteria were used as tools to help build the Foundation. (1/2) known assets, referred to as Unites States of America. The 50 states have been divided into equal portions, pooled. 9% of all taxable monies accumulated in each region will go toward Education, highways, and utilities. The remaining 14% of the 25 States income will be distributed monthly checks to the public. No one is exempt from paying taxes. Incoming tax funds are to be processed by enough officials (*equally matched) to meet the 13th day of each month deadline, in each region. STATE TAX REVENUE PAYMENTS within region of. Regional Areas. Announcement 1 - Broadcast monthly. Live verification on all broadcast stations, announcing the total of income of Region. 1 and Region. 2. Live verification all checks have been distributed. REGION 1- American of American 1. Alabama. 2. Connecticut. 3. Delaware. 4. Arkansas. 5. Hawaii. 6. Illinois. 7. Iowa. 8. Maine. 9. Massachusetts. 10. Michigan. 11. Mississippi. 12. Missouri. 13. Nebraska. 14. Arizona. 15. New York. 16. North Carolina. 17. South Dakota. 18. Ohio. 19. Oklahoma. 20. Texas. 21. Vermont. 22. Virginia. 23. Wyoming 24. Indiana 25. ( @ )
REGION 2- America of Africa 1. Florida. 2. Idaho. 3. Alaska. 4. Kansas. 5. Kentucky. 6. Louisiana. 7. Maryland. 8. Minnesota. 9. Montana. 10. Nevada. 11. New Hampshire. 12. New Jersey. 13. New Mexico. 14. Colorado. 15. South Carolina. 16. North Dakota. 17. Oregon. 18. Pennsylvania. 19. Rhode Island. 20. Tennessee. 21. Utah. 22. Washington. 23. West Virginia. 24. Wisconsin 25. ( @ )
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Majority: 2. Any person who is not of African American descent and able to learn. Born in the USA.
Copyright© 2003. All Rights Reserved. SMOKIE "GOD"JOHNSON. Revised. 10/03
(Sample.THEIR, confusing ass legal bullshh...)>
NO REAPRATIONS!
end SIDE B. Do your job as a Fabrication Lifter...
Email: jibrezy@yahoo.com If all blacks a g r ee on 1 (one) thing.
<SEE. ALL CAPS>
LEARN YOU..... HOW TO BE SMART.. NOW GO!
PS,
Pass it, SREAD it.
note:After I wrote this Michael Jackson got blamed. I comprehend everything, so should you! R U S H If NIHAS WAnna say they DONT LIKE it F-em, They Aint doin' shit either! Holiday Greetings!
FREESYLY'N MY SCRIPT. EVERY DAY IS DIFFERENT, BEATS BEING WHIPPED..
I KEEP NOt liking what's going on. BUT, something's wrong with me!
YOU DON'T THINK. O' OR YOU THINK TOO MUCH. R U S H... their A-- GOD, giving people something to fight for besides a peacea ASs.. . (Kick-in -nuh door, Let them mutha-fukas know, like they do U.)
REAPRATIONS!! Granted
AFRICAN AMERICANS VS. YA'LL FOLKS As of November 1, 2003. Reparations are Granted! This is an upstanding document because, "It Is" written. Monthly check's calculated on the 13 day of each month. "Reparations," to the Americans who have taken a loss during the course History. This money will be paid tax money assigned between the regional divide. 100% of 25 States Tax income, will go to Region 1. 100% of 25 States Tax income, will go to Region 2. For the purpose of "just do". Total, 50 States divided. Admittance testimonials of past and present events of bondage, have been displayed as evidence in the plaintiff's defense. Plaintiff/AFRICAN AMERICANS. Repeated confessions of misconduct are explained by the Defendant Party. Defendant/YA'LL FOLKS. The Decided ruling, is stated in the following judgment.. A mandatory 3% will be taken out to AID all minorities. Supplying each Region with a 14% Gain. The voting public, desides if taxes fluctuate. Stolen. As-said, by the defendants testimony. I "quote" also, BOOKS MATERIAL "quote," film documentation, substantial documents, audio and video selections, ect... are described as being the evidence. Providing descriptions of persons being, mutilated, robbed, sold, ect... To ASSIST THE BUILDING OF, the United States. Persons of African American descent* (dating back through history's judgment). All evidence "quote(s)" these acts. Items stolen unaccountable for. Inheritance of mindset harshened.. The glorification, in the meaning "to do." All prisoners are exempt from past criminal punishment. Broad-based scan, according to the tragedy (s), of infliction. Criminals are "FREE" to go. Due to un-just tampering, the human mindset was not capable of making rational decisions. Under past and present false (cir). Circumstances, with the evidence presented. All "laws" & traumatic episodes, were undoubtedly based upon altering. Accusations are not allegeded. All persons who were-not legally willing, to assist in the building of the States are elligible. Proven testimony presented as African American persons. Property of a stolen person(s), stolen or forcefully taken person(s). Are redeemed by this Reparation Grant. Boundary's were set, based upon evidence that African American's have been, Admitting Abused. All evidence have been reviewed. Evidence includes. Video(s). Audio (s), documentation (s), photograph(s) involving past and present issues. Decision ruled was the defendant "YA'LL FOLKS " were/are "GUILTY," of all past crimes. Crimes which have resulted in, stolen persons, stolen property, ect... Documented abusive descriptiveness, in events, have resulted in a, REPARATIONS GRANT. In order to provide the fund's, capable to pay for the reparation's grant. In effort to help build the Unites States of America's economy. Evidence displays, that persons of African American criteria were used as tools to help build the Foundation. (1/2) known assets, referred to as Unites States of America. The 50 states have been divided into equal portions, pooled. 9% of all taxable monies accumulated in each region will go toward Education, highways, and utilities. The remaining 14% of the 25 States income will be distributed monthly checks to the public. No one is exempt from paying taxes. Incoming tax funds are to be processed by enough officials (*equally matched) to meet the 13th day of each month deadline, in each region. STATE TAX REVENUE PAYMENTS within region of. Regional Areas. Announcement 1 - Broadcast monthly. Live verification on all broadcast stations, announcing the total of income of Region. 1 and Region. 2. Live verification all checks have been distributed. REGION 1- American of American 1. Alabama. 2. Connecticut. 3. Delaware. 4. Arkansas. 5. Hawaii. 6. Illinois. 7. Iowa. 8. Maine. 9. Massachusetts. 10. Michigan. 11. Mississippi. 12. Missouri. 13. Nebraska. 14. Arizona. 15. New York. 16. North Carolina. 17. South Dakota. 18. Ohio. 19. Oklahoma. 20. Texas. 21. Vermont. 22. Virginia. 23. Wyoming 24. Indiana 25. ( @ )
REGION 2- America of Africa 1. Florida. 2. Idaho. 3. Alaska. 4. Kansas. 5. Kentucky. 6. Louisiana. 7. Maryland. 8. Minnesota. 9. Montana. 10. Nevada. 11. New Hampshire. 12. New Jersey. 13. New Mexico. 14. Colorado. 15. South Carolina. 16. North Dakota. 17. Oregon. 18. Pennsylvania. 19. Rhode Island. 20. Tennessee. 21. Utah. 22. Washington. 23. West Virginia. 24. Wisconsin 25. ( @ )
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If NIHAS WAnna say summ'n& they DONT LIKE it F-em, They Aint doin' shit either! <SEE. ALL CAPS> ' LEARN YOU,,! HOW TO BE SMART.. NOW GO!
(BONOUS CD TRACKS\\\ MY lyrics)
TELL me that it makes no sence,
ta Represent.
Money, Ta talk fuh Years, like STREET SOLDIERS hints. Reparations, Kick inna doe', like GOD Dents. DON'T see the yap&trap (yap yap, yap-yap-yap) . The teach'n is Good,
it made A Hoe snap.
(insert the beat) Roll model, hen boddle, Hit The Throdle, model. Pimpin Bill Clinton see the presidents. (the beats) Don't lissen ta me, I'm not-cha-GOD. Wit big Nuts, juss ta come aNtell-em How Hard. The D. Ta The O. Ta the G. !Is how they treat me. You SHIT, You P. Don't wanna waste my time trynna make you nighas See. Don't want me ta ANSWER when Imma Z.. Real Talk Bay-b, Ima G. (the beats) Letta fuh letta- Key FUH Key. Iss Betta-late-den Neva, onna D- we abandon fuh*da LIFE Ova B. !BIOTCH WHY WHITES APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT I BUILT THE STUPID FENCE, BUT DON'T APPRECIATE WIT 1/2 SLAVE SWEAT DRIPS. THE LIPS, WE RIPS, STOP CALLIN' MY NAME- AND SHAKE YA GOD-DAMN HIPS. * BLAME'N GOD FUH SOMETHIN CUZ YOU SLIPS. IZ YOU REPARATIONS YAP'N CLAP'N CLIPS. EVERYBODY PLAY'N GUSS'N NIS. EASY CURSE'N A CHILD, AND HURT'N MENZ, HOES AND BITCHES WIT DEM NEVA ENDZ. IT DON'T TAKE A GOD TA TELL YOU- HOW TO TELL-EM NO PRETEND KEEP YA EYES CLOSED FRIEND. Attend
Song Title: " YAMP "
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9: 58 - 10:O2pm"
You can get zig-zags
long or Sho-wt-,
When you come inta ya Par-de idsda hoe,
Bounce it up
bounce it down, likea sixtee-fo. and you kno baby vcome'n back. Like a GIGGALO.
Issa CRACK inna crevis onna flow.
Money got the smell ova PO' NO. ( SAidporno )
eyes and the girls get'n L o
as they can go
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Hoe stro.
SAN-PAB-A-LOW
Lea, it up ta us, We be back at Mo'.
Early inna morn'n switch'n carsz like we switch'n a bro.
have'n hellla fun when we hitt da do'
GO! GO! AND we aint gon' stop fuh nutt'n. Summ'n Stunt'n.
I would hate ta fall in love, Buss'n & Cuss'n PARTY--OVA HERE PARDY OVA DERE
"Y E A H"
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I answered because she asked, Kimba Smithh. Now I am in need of help, my sentenceing date is 2/15/04 in redwood city,CA. And, this is what I said to Kimba Smith (sample writings posted below) I don't want to put you on the path thinking you need to start a program Yapp'n for 20-30+ years 4 to 5 hours, yet. like "streets soldiers", Get to the Point! I want to direct YOU to say, to all these M-f'S, I'm not Fuk'n Play'n. And get what you&all want from the one the henders you. Last night you asked for my help. Kimba Smith
-from GOD
Dear Method,
I need to get something off my chest. Last year, late 2002 I wrote a book and gave it to Russell Simmons in Richmond,CA.
However, I am offended, not that he read my book, but made a movie about my book/poetry and called me in a movie "EVEA"
Evil...?
I am a female trucker.
But to see me U wouldn't believe it. Strerotyped. i hate Def Jam/ Russell Simmons with a passion.
Then plan B. REP.
oH, and I almost forgot
I know you are man enuff not to let the way I feel about def jam/r.simmons, F- with the job you have to D0 as a Fabricationlifter. Sortta like them niggas that didn't have no bizzness get'n in the mix.. what was between Big&pac, was between Big&pac.
Listen baby, People are n0t afraid of prisoners getting out of jail so much as they do fear themselfs when it comes to being able to keep their mouths shut, talking like their big & and bad, all of a sudden. THaT's what they fear. fRO INSTANCE, today in oakand an Iranian man got smoked over a parking space at B of A, by the Quick way food by lake merrit. Common sence tells me the iranian tried to jump bad, when it didn't have to be all that..aND THE POLICE, well we know about they sorry butt. They probally aint gonn' neva catch the man they say did it. Now on to my Q&A...
Mr. ask MR. Method, that don't never answer myyyyy QUESTIONS. Have you read my reparations pro posalS?
I LIKED KNOWLEDGE BONNE BETTER!
- GOD
(Moved to Reference desk)
I have a friend whose greatest hero is Errol Flynn. Although his first film was Captain Blood, my friend says there was a movie before that where Errol was just a dead body...know the name of that film? Thank you, Connie stlgal99@charter.net
Happy 11th or so of 冬至 dōngzhì. (Wikipedia)
Happy Julian day 2453005.5 or so.
5764 טבת 7
1424 Dhu I-Qa`da 8
1382 Dey 11
12.19.10.16.3
Jád Sharaf Jalál
1925 Pausa 11
212 Nivôse II du Primidi
([3]) Κσυπ Cyp 00:00, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I believe that last (French Revolutionary Calendar) should be written "11 Nivôse CCXII." -- Jmabel 04:56, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
What do people think about the article on Fractional-reserve banking? I'm not enough of an economist or historian to judge, but I vaguely thought that ranting about fractional reserves was goldbug stuff and pretty far out there. Does this article have a reasonably NPOV? Dpbsmith 22:20, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Continue this on Talk:Fractional-reserve_banking There's now a pretty good discussion in process there... Dpbsmith 17:20, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
May you all have a wonderful new 525,600 527,040* minutes! Yay, it's 2004! (At least here in the Far East.) --seav 16:56, Dec 31, 2003 (UTC)
* Whoops! 2004 is a leap year. Too bad... I like the Seasons of Love song from Rent. ("five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred minutes / five hundred twenty-five thousand moments so dear...")
Many of the articles linked in the "Encyclopedia" section of the main page are of inferior quality. I propose that we replace those articles (save the couple that are brilliant prose) with a selected listing of brilliant prose. It will look something like Wikipedia:Brilliant prose/temp, but more localized. Objections? --Jiang 09:56, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
How about protecting all pages other than the category articles until they get better? :-) I'm not sure that random readers are looking for brilliant prose in category articles anyway; how many people are going to want to read about chemistry in general, vs using it as a trampoline to a specific topic like oxygen or LSD? If the latter, then those articles' main value is as a descriptive index to the next level of depth, and we should make sure that they connect to everything interesting. Stan 22:34, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
If you want to get more biographies of living people on the main page, I feel the birthday listings would be a good way. (To reply to some of the previous objections: no it doesn't have to read "Happy Birthday to .." and we don't have to include them with the Historical Anniversaries). -- User:Docu
I just wanted to say THANKS to Raul654, Dori, Alfio and ilya for the quick responses to my question titled "Two questions..."
I'm going to get cracking and get the new sites up this month. I'll post again when they are finished before going live. I may be able to work with the database files... if I can import them into FileMaker. I actually manage about 500,000 pages of content right now in custom FileMaker databases that I designed - so don't make fun!
Have a Happy New Year!
Jeff
Have editted Diving insects considerably, now it seems that a better title for this info would be "Aquatic insects", as the former is like categorizing Jumping mammals. --azwaldo
I am a college student which making some research on biodiesel oil, for earning my bachelor degree at Chemical Engineering. I have already suceeded making some, but I have some difficulties about methods for exact measuring the contents of my product or by-product. I wonder if there's somebody who is willing to help me by providing any information for : - method to analyze and determine amount of glycerine in WVO (Waste vegetable oil) or in any oil/fat which being use as raw material for making biodiesel oil - method to analyze and determine amount of methyl acetate (product). - amount of glycerine needed to make best quality biodiesel oil. I am very thankful for any help on providing any information for me. Thank you very much. If you don't mind, please send the information towards my e-mail address at donnywinardi@yahoo.com. thank you
Pursuant to a discussion in Votes for Deletion, I moved some text from the page South Orange Grove Boulevard (Pasadena, California) and made it into a section in the article on Pasadena, California .
I then replaced the text on the South Orange Grove Boulevard (Pasadena, California) with this:
#REDIRECT [[Pasadena, California#South Orange Grove Boulevard]]
Within the page that you are now reading, the link Pasadena, California#South Orange Grove Boulevard takes you directly to the section on South Orange Grove Boulevard . And that is what I expected the REDIRECT command to do. However, if you click on South Orange Grove Boulevard (Pasadena, California) you will see that although it does take you to the Pasadena, California page, it take you to the top of the page, not to the section where I wanted it to take you.
Am I doing something wrong? Or can't you REDIRECT to a section? Dpbsmith 03:49, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
does firehouse have a web site?
I would like the mediawiki software to notify me via watchlist when someone creates a redirect to any article on my watchlist. The problem is that this would take a lot more bandwidth possibly. Why is there no Wikipedia:requests page? Green Mountain 19:20, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I would also like the software to create a subject, if the subject line was left blank, possibly using a changed sentence as the topic, or if a new heading is added, include the new heading as the subject. Green Mountain 19:23, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
does firehouse have a web site?
Hello, In a Danish recipe for "Breakfast Horn Bread" the amount of flour required is "250 g". To what does the "g" refer? It cannot be grams because this would equal only a half cup of flour or so, whereas most bread recipes call for 5 or 6 cups of flour. Thanks for your help. Steve
Sir/Madam, Is Lord Rama, Hindu god and avatara of vishnu, is of mobite tribe. If he is can you send me web site link or scriptures name. I really appreciate you.
Thank you
For the article on the Romanian Gypsy musical ensemble Taraful Haiducilor: there is apparently a book (in Romanian) Hopa, tropa, Europa (Hop and trot around Europe) by Speranţa Rădulescu, about the group's first European tour. I don't imagine I'm going to track that down from Seattle. If anyone has a copy of the book and would like to contribute relevant material to the article, (or if anyone knows where I might get a copy) that would be greatly appreciated. -- Jmabel 20:29, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Hello, I read your article about the Pnyx with is realy detailed but I'm searching for ancient maps of athene within the pnyx. Where can I get any?
Please mail to Iscander@gmx.net
thankfull Iscander
Please note image uploading is temporarily disabled while we're in server limbo because it's harder to move the images around in sync, since they're separate from the database. Should be back up sooner or later; sorry for the inconvenience. --Brion 00:06, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Once carbon dioxide is extracted from the methane digester via lime water, what is the methos(s) for extraction the carbon dioxide from the lime water?
Dear Sir, Please can you help me to find a St. Bernard female puppy long haired. I want this puppy as a pet, but it has to be shipped to Malta. Please can you help me with some contacts? Waiting for your answers.
Thanks Marlon
Hi! This is taken from the Request for adminship page:
"After a 7 day period for comments, if there is general agreement that someone who requests adminship should be given it, then a developer will make it so and record that fact at Wikipedia:Recently created admins. "
My question is: what exactly does "general agreement" mean? Can you become an administrator by only having one person that has reviewed your work and that was positive about it? (--130.236.224.35)
Looking for contact details for former World Heavy Weight Champion Max Schmeling. Can you help? Ernst F. Kriesner efk@danzig-freestate.org
(William M. Connolley 10:18, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)) There are a whole pile of "geography of ..." pages which contain links to "Climate Change" (http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Climate_Change) under the heading of "international agreements", and Climate Change is a redirect to United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. Meanwhile, under "Climate change" (small C) there is a page that is actually about climate change. This seems a bit silly... could one of those nice auto-robots convert the "geography of..." pages to point stright to unfcc, and then "Climate Change" (big C) can be deleted?
In the article "Electron Spiral Toroid", there is a mysterious space at the very beginning. When I went to edit it, and previewed it, nothing showed up in the source, but when I saved it, it still showed up.
What causes this to happen? How might one get rid of it?
—Vespristiano 22:49, 2004 Jan 8 (UTC)
just wondering why your site is so slow other wise great site tkthecorr@yahoo.com
Is it just me or is it particularly slow today? Bmills 16:05, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, that's better. I've lost so much work today!!! Bmills 16:21, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I was looking around the metapages and whatnot for a page that talks about what articles are "encyclopedic" - that is, articles that we want on wikipedia. I could not find one, but I think that one should absolutely exist. So here's my initial draft:
What is encyclopedic?
What is not encyclopedic
What else? Wikipedia does take some non-encyclopedic articles:
--Raul654
Add
Those are too broad. For example, Jesus's quote in the Talmud (or something clos to that) was just deleted, and rightly so - but I could argue that it is religious, and by your catagories, belongs here. What about a language I make up? It's a language, all right, so why not include it? --Raul654 12:46, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I could make up a famous person or a college and they would also likely be deleted. In fact, there was a made-up Political entity only yesterday, as I recall. I don't see that my categories are any more vague or broad than the ones you put up at first, just addressing other, and equally important, areas of content. Bmills 15:09, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
When filling out the list of of Sanrio characters, the character "U*SA*HA*NA" wouldn't link, because you can't have a "*" in an article name. However, the "*"s are actually a part of the name, as decreed by Sanrio. So, what do we do in cases like this? Make it "U-SA-HA-NA"? -- Khym Chanur 07:31, Jan 7, 2004 (UTC)
The accessory articles of votes for deletion (images for deletion, redirects for deletion, lists for deletion, etc.) seem neglected. Here's a request that I moved from Lists article:
--Jiang 06:57, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I don't know y, but it seems that wiki can't encode Chinese translation for foreign names as interwiki in English wiki well, esp. when the name in Chinese contains the mark "·", it will links to a nonsense page. Is that a bug? --快艇 (Talk)☺ 05:45, Jan 7, 2004 (UTC)
This issue was first brought up by User:Stardust in connection with a painful and bloody debate regarding Settlers of Catan and related pages. How familiar is the average wikipedist with wikipolicy? Do wikipedists (and more importantly, sysops) routinely take action based on limited and imperfect knowledge of wikipolicy? Is brilliant policy formulated on pages that nobody ever reads? A quick examination of the Wikipedia:Policy page reveals that it is far from complete, listing only the most basic, fundamental and common-sense policies. -Smack 00:56, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I've never quite understood why Wikipedia allows anonymous edits - the list of vandals almost entirely consists of anonymous IPs. Is there a policy reason for this? Wouldn't it be better to require everyone to have an account so that there can at least be some accountability for edits? -- ChrisO 16:45, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I have a sense that this was addressed before, but cannot find on archives: why doesn't my You have new messages message go away after I click it? Bmills 12:11, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Is there a way for someone to find out what new articles they have created? The contributions page only lists articles by major or minor edit, nothing about new ones. --Raul654 10:11, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I notice that the standard interface includes a disclaimer at the bottom of each page. Does this mean that other disclaimers added to article content are no longer necessary? Or, when is an additional disclaimer necessary?
Also, in my opinion, putting the disclaimer link at the very bottom of the page (on a line by itself) is not prominent enough. We don't have to shove it in anyone's face, but this almost seems to be hiding it. -Anthropos 04:49, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I started a vote at MediaWiki talk:Risk about this disclaimer. ilya 02:38, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
(Moved to Wikipedia:Reference desk) --snoyes 03:34, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
http://wikipedia.walon.org: Is this a wikimedia project? Do inter-language links to this encyclopedia work? Thanks to Dori for pointing the site out. An anon added it to the list of wikipedias on Wikipedia:Multilingual coordination. --snoyes 21:04, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
According to your web page, the first ionization energy of astatine is 20KJ/mol. But i have contacted many universities to check if the first ionization energy has been discovered, and so far all of them have denied of the idea. please contact me to tell me where you got your source for this info. My name is Maulik Shah and my email is: shah_maulik23@yahoo.com
Thanks
I have been trying to upload some images but every time I press the upload button it sends me to the "This page cannot be found" page. G-Man 19:44, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Decision time approaches. Lots of votes cast and the picture is a bit clearer. Here's a proposal:
Anyone got a better idea?
To view the votes so far:
So how about:
???? Bmills 13:51, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Is there any indication to what extent people are using Wikipadia as a source of information, people other than Wikipedians that is? ping 07:38, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, ping 10:01, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I have read several interesting articles that include portraits of historical figures - Diane de Poitiers, Catherine de Medici, Elizabth I of England and more, but I do not know who the artists are who painted the portraits so I can locate these pictures for teaching purposes. Is there some way to identify who created the art included in the articles? Please respond directly if possible as I am a novice at the mechanics on Wikpedia beyond searching for informative articles.
Thanks, Janet LeBlanc <JBFLeBlanc@aol.com> Associate Professor of Art History
Apologies for my ill-conceived and poorly executed Sock puppet escapade. Proof, if it were needed, that Opera and mediawiki do not play very well together. -- Finlay McWalter 02:41, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Is there somewhere, where common jargon used in Wikipedia is listed? I have been here since April 2003, and still have absolutely no idea what a troll is, or a definition of the term 'trolling'. -- Graham :) 00:36, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I've tried to initiate a discussion/vote on the spelling of Swiss cantons at Talk:Switzerland. I've used Google to establish common use and now wish that those with an interest join in. Kokiri 00:11, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
[moved to the Reference desk]
This may be a FAQ, but:
Is there any mileage in obtaining an out-of-copyright copy of e.g. the Encyclopaedia Britannica (such as, I believe, the 1910 one currently in my parents house in the UK), splitting it up, distributing the pages to volunteers and OCRing articles of importance on subjects whose important content was fixed at that time (e.g. the Wars of the Roses)?
Would this way of expanding the content available in Wikipedia (or, at least, providing a base for people to edit) be better than writing articles from scratch?
Gerv
In any case, presumedly even if there are restrictions on the use of text produced by the project, we could still use your original scans for wikipedia..
Silverfish 23:30, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
From Wikipedia talk:Announcements
As a web site operator I can answer questions about Wikipedia's Google Page Rank. The homepage rank is currently 7/10. Medicine has a rank of 5/10 which incidentally is the rank of the homepage of my small website.
Google has its own private system of ranking. The ranking of the homepage is relatively meaningless as nobody really uses the homepage unless you are trying to sell advertising for it, for which you are not. What counts is the ranking for each individual article. When somebody searches in Google for medicine the Google Page Rank determines where the Wikipedia hit will show up. The higher the rating the higher on top the hit will show up. But, since there are tens of thousands of web pages that uses the word medicine a rank of only 5/10 could mean that the person searching for medicine on Google might have to wade through several hundred hits before coming across Medicine.
I have noticed that Wikipedia has not joined the relatively new Open Directory Project at: http://www.dmoz.org/ Most of the major search engines are now using the Open Directory Project. Joining simply means classifying your web site by their classification system and providing a brief description. As this description is not displayed on Google search Hits, Wikipedia is NOT a member.
By joining, Wikipedia could up its page rank automatically by a couple of points. Only the owner or webmaster of Wikipedia can join the Open Directory project. But, once Wikipedia has been accepted into the Open Directory, it may take anywhere from 2 weeks to several months for your site to be listed on partner sites which use the Open Directory data, such as AOL Search, AltaVista, HotBot, Google, Lycos, Netscape Search, etc. -- Mr-Natural-Health 15:45, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Websites don't join ODP. Individuals can join if they want to edit there, but anyone whether connected with ODP or Wikipedia or neither can submit a page or a site for review by the editors there. Wikipedia is already listed 750 times in the directory according to a DMOZ search. Angela. 22:35, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)
The amount of misinformation posted under this simple topic is truly amazing. -- Mr-Natural-Health 03:38, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)~
I went to help - looked at adding images - totally useless - it discusses stuff about images but NOWhere does it tell you actually how to upload an image. So how do you do it then? I even edited the page to make this point but someone reverted it rather than fixing it -- Kevin Flude
I have a login persona but absolutely no reference to uploading images appears on a page either when editing or not. Can you give me further information?
The instructions are here Wikipedia:How to edit a page#Links, URLs, images. They are clear to me because I have been doing it for a long time, but it will quickly make sense to you too once you try it a few times. Unfortunately, you will have to wait until that feature is reenabled - Marshman
See m:Talk page proposal - Hemanshu 16:34, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Anyone know the link for a list of the MSG's like ((msg:stub)). I suggested to a newbe that they would find a link here, but I was wrong.... - UtherSRG 01:02, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
...is there anything that can be done to merge the histories? Los Macheteros was recently moved to Puerto Rican Army of the People. Unfortunately, the person who moved it apparently didn't know about "Move this page" (hey, I didn't the first time I moved a page, either). I've used "Move this page" to get the talk page where it belongs, but it would be a very good idea if we could somehow move the history over as well; since this is an article that has raised POV and factuality issues in the past, it seems more than routinely important to have the history available. Jmabel 00:37, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
When will Image Upload be re-enabled?
Adrian Pingstone 23:31, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Mediawiki feature request moved to Meta Green Mountain 19:37, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I'm no longer on the ML's and was wondering where on W a feature request should be posted?
The request is for a flag which may be set on a page which will switch the TOC display to a horizontal display with items unnumbered and separated by pipes |. This would be a far better rendering for lists with many sections, e.g. List_of_aviation,_aerospace_and_aeronautical_terms or just about any alphabetically grouped list. dramatic 17:29, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
in your movie studios webpage you have our company, American mutoscope and Biograph Co. in historical movie companies. we are also an active movie company. please list our link in the active studios area.
www.biographcompany.com
Thanks,
I like the way the Disclaimer notice is now presented to users. However, it is much too small. I never would have seen it myself if I hadn't heard someone else talk about it. There may have been a discussion that I neglected to notice about this issue. Maybe a Disclaimer link could also be placed on the left-hand toolbar, under Contact us and above Donations. Just a thought. Kingturtle 08:53, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Do we really want detailed financial information on companies? International Paper. --snoyes 04:55, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I'm encountering the term 'sub stub' on various pages in WP, but Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub or the Wikipedia:Glossary do not mention the term. In what way is a sub stub unlike a stub, and if this is an official term, shouldn't it be added somewhere? Jor 03:26, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)
Why does everything seem to be so slow tonight (although it seems to have improved) Has something crashed?. I was under the impression that the technical problems had been fixed by the new fancy database (obviously not) G-Man 00:54, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Throughout the Wikipedia there are quite a few articles which have a statement like 'Alternate names are in italics', referring to text marked up with two apostrophes. This does not add an <i> (italics) tag, but rather adds an <em> (emphasis) tag.
All nice and well, but http://en.wikipedia.org/style/wikistandard.css does not contain any rule for EM, so EM is styled according to browser preferences — which does not have to be italics. Surely it'd be best if the rule
were added to the CSS file? — Jor 21:58, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)
Many writers and reviewers are redirecting poorly to false articles - e.g if you are looking for "graphics" then you will be redirected to computer graphics. Engineering graphics and computer graphics are different topics and I don't understand [why this is so]. If anyone writes a short intro to start such an article, you will find those articles deleted immediately and redirected to other releavant artilces. There is no need for redirection. You can keep that space blank. I dont know why the heck [you] guys are doing it. This will definitely distract users from using wikipedia, and those writers who want to show their articles on wikipedia are doing this redirecting thing. Also, some of people from here are actually behaving like they are moderators or something like that. Also deletion of articles is very burning issue here. Why are articles deleted if they are not copyrighted? Could [it] be due to gramatical mistakes? If [you] guys from here are deleting articles constantly due to grammatical mistakes and lableing the article as stub then this is very poor thing. Wikipedia is just born project and not taken seriously, and as this project is in [an] immature state then this very serious matter. Well I think if there are any moderators here should take this thing seriously because if this continues then many people will sign up here to delete articles and label it a stub. Well this will be fun for these guys, and wikipedia will be destroyed in few days as this project took 2 years to reach this position it will be deleted in 2 weeks. As nupedia is down otherwise there is no need for this question. Also I will immediately move to nupedia if it starts, and tell others to do the same because when nupedia was there I hadn't found such issue. It's up to you whether to take this seriously or not but let me tell you that this is not good. (--61.1.112.99)
--Raul654 14:10, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Hi!
I love this site/project! And, to help I would like to create two sites using Wikipedia data, and I want to make them RIGHT in the first place (vs. just making them and leaving out anything important). I have been reading as much as possible... but to be 100% honest, the licence isn't all that clear so I thought I would describe the two projects and see if I can get some quick feedback on what I would need to do to be a "good wikipedia content user".
Project 1 BrainyEncyclopedia Use the entire HTML content in a full mirror of Wikipedia from the content at: http://www.tommasoconforti.com/wiki/
This is perfect and easy for me since it's just plain HTML, I am not a programmer. Now, the big question is this data in the format that would be in 100% compliance with the licence as is? It contains a link to the GNUFDL on every page and a link to "Edit this page" on every page (that is hard-coded back to Wikipedia). From looking at the non-compliant sites - these seem to be the major problems that people seem to create when using your content. I don't want to make that mistake (I'd rather make new mistakes!).
I would have a nice little statement about the copyright of the data on the site and how it's GNUFDL (the only things that wouldn't be would be our site name/logo). I would also be adding headers/footers/navigation for the site.
Project 2 BrainyBiography Use only the Biographies on the site and reorganize them to be an easy to navigate biography site. The articles would not change - just the navigation. In addition most links that were not biography-related would be taken out.
This site would keep the link to edit the page and to the GNUFDL licence as well.
So... after all that: are these projects OK? Is this what you intend people to do with the content? Is there anything else that is necessary on my part? It seems so simple... but a good portion of the sites that use this content seem to be screwing up their usage in some way.
Thanks for the help,
Jeff
Thanks!
I just wanted to say THANKS to Raul654, Dori, Alfio and ilya for the quick responses to my question titled "Two questions..."
I'm going to get cracking and get the new sites up this month. I'll post again when they are finished before going live. I may be able to work with the database files... if I can import them into FileMaker. I actually manage about 500,000 pages of content right now in custom FileMaker databases that I designed - so don't make fun!
Have a Happy New Year!
Jeff
What's this SpellBott that's running? Is there any way to protect words that are already correct, but might be candidates for alteration? Something like <nospellfix>misspellling</nospellfix>? Anjouli 05:23, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Hi,
I think I've managed to b0rk the redirect from Northern Territory University to Charles Darwin University -- I think I managed this by deleting the redirect from CDU to NTU, then doing a "move" from NTU to CDU, when I should have left CDU alone initially, from what I can tell.
First question: did I really muck it up?
In short, could I have it fixed?
Cheers, Jonathan.
--Jonathan Ah Kit 03:40, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Working on topics related to Eastern Europe, I have found it inconvenient that, for ethnicities/nationalities that have a nation-state associated with them, we always have an article about the nation-state and never, it seems, about the ethnicity. This is not a problem a single person can even begin to address -- I can tell that just by looking at some of the conflicts that have arisen about related issues such as German vs. Polish place names -- so I thought I would raise it here.
For example, the article Ethnic German (one of the few articles about an ehtnic group) is just a disambiguation page. When referring in the List of political parties in Romania to Forul Democrat al Germanilor din România, the political party of ethnic Germans in Romania, a link to Ethnic German is what is I would presume is called for. However, someone recently (and probably appropriately) changed that to link to Germany instead. Why? Presumably because Germany has a real article and Ethnic German does not.
Nonetheless, I would argue that these two concepts are separate enough to merit separate articles (and the same for ethnic Hungarians, Romanians, Poles, you name it). We would never conflate Jews and Israel. We would never conflate Celts and, say, Eire.
I admit that I have something of an axe to grind here: I am not a fan of ethnic nationalism. I feel that Wikipedia's current organization of this material constitutes an implicit endorsement of an ethnic nationalist point of view.
I am not sure if this page is the best forum for this discussion, but it seems to be at least the place to open it. If someone wants to suggest a better forum, I'm totally open to moving this.
-- Jmabel 02:07, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I have a little device on my desktop called GuruNet TopicBar. It's really quite a good idea, it lets you right click on any word in any document (web browser, word processing...), or you can click on its icon in the system tray (near your clock), or a little arrow docked on the side of your screen, and search for encyclopedia articles or dictionary definitions, relating to a chosen word.
It's a wonderful concept, except after the first two months or so, you have to be a paid member of their service to get the full article on anything. And the resources are stubby, most articles quite honestly pale in comparison to Wikipedia's. Still, it's gathered lots of good press, and the endorsement of Donald Sutherland, who claims to be an active user.
Would it be possible for us to create a similar tool, available for download off Wikipedia. It would search all of the Wikimedia family: Wikipedia, Wikitonary, Wikiquote, Wikisource and Wikibooks. If we ever endorsed it, Wikitravel could be another member, September 11th Memorial Wiki would also be in the search results, just not promoted. Also, users could set it to search other language Wikipedias, if so desired.
Like GuruNet, results would be delivered in a little program; alternatively, we could make it more like Google Toolbar. The device, in which ever form, would be targeted entirely towards a viewing audience; those wanting to edit would be directed towards the actual webpage.
I really think there would be a market for this. If we don't do it, someone else surely will; already there's a research device using Wikipedia in its searching plug-in. [11] It would take the developers away from other important projects, however, I'd be willing to scout out software developers on other Wikis.
I made two Wikipedia bookmarklets based on other bookmarklets I have seen on the net:
Wikipedia First: javascript:Qr=document.getSelection();if(!Qr){void(Qr=prompt('Text:',))}
if(Qr)location.href='http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?search='+escape(Qr)+"&go=go"
Wikipedia Search: javascript:Qr=document.getSelection();if(!Qr){void(Qr=prompt('Text:',))}
if(Qr)location.href='http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?search='+escape(Qr)+' '
To use them bookmark those URLs. These make use of JavaScript and DOM. If you have a word or phrase highlighted when you click on one of them, it searches for that word or phrase. Otherwise, a window or sheet appears asking you what to search for. Wikipedia First corresponds to the Go button and Wikipedia Search corresponds to the Search button. When the Search button breaks, so is that bookmarklet. Whether these work depends on your browser. If they do not work you can try another version that always asks you what to search for rather than using the selected word or phrase:
Wikipedia First: if(!Qr){void(Qr=prompt('Text:',))}
if(Qr)location.href='http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?search='+escape(Qr)+"&go=go'"
Wikipedia Search: if(!Qr){void(Qr=prompt('Text:',))}
if(Qr)location.href='http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?search='+escape(Qr)+' '
Mozdev: Mycroft downloads has Mycroft plug-ins to search Wikipedia. The Mycroft plug-in format is based on the Sherlock I & II format.
--Ellmist 22:40, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I'm working on a page that has a lengthy history, and the associated discussion page is pretty long. The main problem is that it's hard to see the new comments, and the old, now-irrelevant stuff is cluttering it up. Is there an established policy about erasing old discussion comments?
For example there are comments that say things like "Hey, you need to work on this some more", followed by, "OK, I worked on it". I'm inclined to erase that stuff, and without making a backup or archive page, since all the original comments are saved in the page history anyway. Wile E. Heresiarch 16:28, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
As some of you know, Wikipedia (through its underlying MediaWiki software) already supports embedding mathematical formulas, currently using the <math> syntax. Peter Danenberg is working on a complete redesign of the code to allow for much more flexibility, so that additional backends can be supported. His new scheme, called Wikitex, will not only allow embedding mathematical formulas , but also music notation (using GNU LilyPond) with auto-generated MIDI files, chemical formulas, TIPA phonetic symbols, chessboards, polytonic Greek, attribute-value matrices and parsetrees. This is very much droolworthy and there's probably more to come.
However, there is still an open question as to which "wrapper syntax" to use for the new scheme. Some (including myself) favor a simple syntax like <math>..</math>,<music>,<greek>,<chem>,<tipa> etc. Peter currently favors a more complex syntax: <rend math "..."/>, <rend music "..."/> etc.
If you prefer the simpler syntax, now is a good time to make your voice heard on the discussion page. It will likely be difficult to change once we have adopted a particular syntax.—Eloquence 02:38, Jan 1, 2004 (UTC)
Are all 142.177.?.? IPs hard-banned? I believe the user has returned....none of his actions so far have been detrimental that I can tell, but if I am supposed to block him I will do so. Can someone who knows more about the history of this let me know? Jwrosenzweig 22:54, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I have a Wikipedia-philosophy question. I'm trying to figure out how much duplication there should be between articles. Do we expect people to read the most important links in a page, or should the crucial elements be repeated? As a specific example, I was trying to write Aerodynamics and put a lot of stuff in there about basic assumptions, classes of problems etc., then realized that much of that should go in Fluid mechanics. So I rewrote fluid mechanics to contain that kind of information. But now much of what's in aerodynamics is a duplication of fluid mechanics. Aerodynamics could now simply read "Aerodynamics is fluid mechanics applied to gases" and with the links, that's almost enough information. But aerodynamics is much too important a topic to have a supershort article. Thoughts? moink 18:31, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Thanks all for your comments. I think my personal opinions are most closely aligned with Viajero's. Articles should be complete on their own, without being cut-and-paste copies of one another. I'm surprised there isn't more consensus on this issue around here; I thought this would have been something to come up pretty often. I'll fix aerodynamics when I have a free moment. moink 20:16, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Can markup be used to create an image that is smaller in size than the one that has been uploaded? (Am formatting Diving_insects.)--azwaldo 18:03, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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My family watched the movie, The Verdict, on TNT a few years ago and really enjoyed the version that your station aired. I've checked listings from time to time trying to see if it was being aired again but haven't seen any mention of it. I know that movies are frequently aired and would like to know if this movie will be aired any time in the near future.
Thanks, Jean Mitchell jermit1@hotmail.com
I find Lir impossible to deal with, and my impression is that this is a common experience. Meanwhile, although I haven't made a conscientious study of Lir's edits, among the ones I've seen I haven't regarded any of them as having improved the articles that Lir made them to. On the science pages I watch, Lir's edits sometimes create mistakes of fact where there were none before, and I have only seen Lir refuse to accept evidence that they are mistakes. I have read several other users on the talk pages comment angrily about the same phenomenon. I suggest Lir be banned. If Lir is not banned, I would be grateful if someone would explain to me what a user has to do to be banned.
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I find Lir impossible to deal with, and my impression is that this is a common experience. Meanwhile, although I haven't made a conscientious study of Lir's edits, among the ones I've seen I haven't regarded any of them as having improved the articles that Lir made them to. On the science pages I watch, Lir's edits sometimes create mistakes of fact where there were none before, and I have only seen Lir refuse to accept evidence that they are mistakes. I have read several other users on the talk pages comment angrily about the same phenomenon. I suggest Lir be banned. If Lir is not banned, I would be grateful if someone would explain to me what a user has to do to be banned.
[Peak:] The main problem with Lir is not so much the multiplicity of mistakes or the frequent refusal to accept evidence, but the pattern of behavior that has resulted, for example, in the DNA page being Protected for an extended period. This behavior has probably wasted more time of more people than the average vandal. If Lir would agree to desist from re-inserting changes that others have explained are deleterious, then perhaps there would be no need for a ban. Alternatively, if Lir is unwilling to make and keep such a commitment, then it might suffice to prevent him or her from editing specific articles. Is that currently possible? Peak 07:48, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I am just wanting to know about a picture i have of Janet. It's a black and white photo graph, It was sent to my great aunt from Janet in 1939. It has been hand written on and signed by Janet her self. It is in mint condition. The thing I would like to know is, would it be worth any amount of money. I also have have a black and white photo of Anna Neagle and three hand painted photographs in colour of Peire Trevor, Alice Faye and Sonja Henie. These photo's are all in mint condition and were all hand signed by the stars them selves between 1939 and 1942. I also have a hand written note from Janet Gaynor and a typed letter from Anna Neagle's secretary in 1941 with a money order for one shilling and six pence. Is it possible for you to e-mail me back and let me know what they are worth approxamently.
Yours Sincerely Terri Giles
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT AUDRY TOTTER THE ACTRESS. THANK YOU SAMUEL SMITH ANNISTON AL. 3620 E-MAIL SAMUALS@BELLSOUTH.NET
Try her IMDb entry at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0869429/. RickK 19:34, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)
a form of art in which lengthy,thin strips of colorful paper are wound into tight circles(?) and "molded" into things like petals which are eventually glued together to make things like paper flowers or snow flakes? my mom called it "quilling", but i can find no specific mention of this type of "quilling". probably cuzz it's called something else. let me know at
randymetscher_3@hotmail.com
if you have any insights. thanks
I was just wondering if you can e-mail me more recent issues on school killings because i am a 10th grade and i am doing a speech on how we can prevent kids from killing eachother and i would appreciate the help...Thanks..Bye
My e-mail is
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Does anyone have more information on what was happening to the world during the year 1724 ? pure.dew@noos.fr
Someone please revert the edits Angela made to the protected page Wikipedia:Conflicts between users. --Wik 10:59, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)
Im working on a gentoo ebuild ebuild for mediawiki. I have never made an ebuild before, so I really need help. Thanks in advance, Alexandros 17:57, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Since I suggested banning Lir yesterday, I have noticed that I am way behind the times in this regard, and that the idea has been going around and around for ages, even though Lir has been banned before and so arguably it shouldn't take much misbehavior for Lir to earn a ban again. This makes me wonder: Why is it so hard to ban people from Wikipedia? What are the criteria?
To me there's an obvious rule of thumb that should apply: If a user has lots of complaints against him or her about behavior that is documented and verifiable in the histories; and if no one with a good reputation speaks in favor of keeping that user around--citing some verifiable good behavior like "so-and-so made a nice contribution to article X while I was there on such and such a day" or "so-and-so discussed an issue reasonably over at article Y while I was there then"--then the person should be banned.
Could such a rule work? Is that in fact what we do? I ask just because it doesn't seem like that's what's being done. Instead I get the impression many people regard banning as almost too harsh to contemplate, as if nothing short of verified 24/7 beligerence and vandalism with no redeeming or ambiguous behavior deserves a ban. But the way I react to users is that after I experience a certain amount or a certain consistency of unreasonableness and/or incivility from them, I just don't trust them anymore. But of course there's no avoiding such users on Wikipedia, if they take an interest in the same articles as you.
At the very outset of discussions Lir has had with other users on Talk pages, I have noticed them address or respond to Lir with skepticism and or sarcasm. I imagine that's because they've interacted with Lir before and they no longer assume good faith. Why on Earth should we put up with users of whom nobody with experience assumes good faith? (Not that I'm positive that Lir in particular falls in this category). Does Wikipedia have any obligation or responsibility to people like that? If people think so, I can't imagine why. 168... 02:31, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there seems to be a kind of "complicated vandalism," besides the simple kind. That's what concerns me and what I feel most victimized by. Simple vandalism you can revert with a mouse click. Getting into discussions with antisocial users costs you hours of aggravating and often pointless discussion which leave you feeling worse about the world and your fellow human being. I'm sensing that there's not much hope or interest in reducing this kind of thing, but I'm trying to see if I can generate a little. 168... 07:26, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)
BTW, a policy of imposing bans for bad behavior doesn't necessarily exclude anyone. Some people it would deter from being antisocial in the first place. Others who end up banned can always come back under new names, hopefully inspired to establish a better reputation the next time. I guess there are some people who enjoy watching dust-ups and bad behavior, and clearly there are some that enjoy behaving badly themselves, but I imagine most people would enjoy Wikipedia more if there were less bad behavior. 168... 07:41, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I have a fuzzy recollection of a proposed "Category" link to replace the many and varied lists. Is that still a possibility? and where is the discussion? WormRunner 04:19, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Discussion about a photograph moved to Wikipedia:Reference desk by .'. Optim 18:20, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC) .'.
Like to Kow moved to Wikipedia:Reference Desk by .'. Optim .'.
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I am involved in a foolish argument/discussion with my neighbour. She claims that, under certain conditions, one can walk from Cornwall to Mont St. Michel on a sandbar. Of course this is balderdash, however, I would like some hard data to lay my case to rest. Can someone direct me to a website where I can print out a depth chart of the Channel? Thank you.
Chinanose
Bakkah is an example of why I love how the Wikipedia works. I post an article based on what I know about it, and based on some comments and editing help am able to turn it into a very NPOV article that tries to show both sides of the issue. If I were to have posted it elsewhere instead the result would've been a POV article that does not give the other side at all, and it would be a lot less useful for others. ☺ — Jor 15:58, Jan 12, 2004 (UTC)
Although I added Fischer to Wikipedia:Links to disambiguating pages it doesn't show when I click on "What links here". (It also takes up to three minutes to load). Any reason(s) for that? --KF 15:56, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Please would some of the regulars give this newbie some guidance? The Wikipedia:List_of_common_misspellings has Mohammedan (Muslim), Mohammedans (Muslims), Muhammadan (Muslim), and Mecca (Makkah).
As part of my on-going efforts to fix spellings - with reference to that list for anything doubtful - I recently corrected Mecca to Makkah for articles where it was clearly in an Islamic context. I was told by Salsa Shark via my talk page that Mecca/Makkah "It isn't now and isn't going to be" on the list. This seems to be a personal view as the spelling is currently the subject of an edit war on Wikipedia:List_of_common_misspellings.
Wiki articles (before my changes) seemed divided about 50/50 on the spelling, and strangely the Mecca page uses the spelling Makkah internally, but is titled Mecca. Apparently this was the unhappy state in which it was protected at the end of a previous edit war.
It seems to me that Makkah is certainly correct for Islamic articles, and other uses are arguable either way.
My question is should I change the spelling to Makkah where I am sure that is proper, or should I defer to Salsa Shark. If I persist in my viewpoint, would that be considered vandalism, or is that normal behaviour on Wiki? Is there any formal voting process (I can't find one). At the moment my impression of Wiki is that the loudest and most active tend to win-out, even if they are not in a majority. (Perhaps an analog for life).ّ SpellBott 12:20, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
At the High School where I teach (in California, U.S.) there is a school-wide program that allows me to assign outside reading to students. I am amassing a reading list. Last semester I focused on the 11th grade U.S. History students. I asked Wikipedians to make suggestions, and that process was very helpful for me.
This semester, I will focus on the 10th grade World Cultures students. I ask you Wikipedians again for some recommendations. Please visit Reading List Recommendations and make some suggestions.
Thanks in advance, Kingturtle 07:27, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)