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Article | Shattered Consensus: The True State of Global Warming |
Status | closed |
Request date | Unknown |
Requesting party | Frederick Davies |
Parties involved | William M. Connolley, Guettarda, Sympa, Mostlyharmless Stephan Schulz |
Mediator(s) | nkayesmith |
Comment | Page has been deleted |
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I'll try this one. See talk page. --nkayesmith 09:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Closing. --Ideogram 16:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Has this page been deleted? If so, can I close the case? --Ideogram 09:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Page has been deleted. Closing. --Ideogram 10:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This section is for listing and discussing compromise offers.
Note: Discussion is now taking place on the talk page of this article. --nkayesmith 09:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Suggested compromise: Have Criticism section with William's text within Chapter 4 section. Fredrick indicates that he wishes the tone of the criticism to be more passive - can he please indicate how he thinks this should be done? Also, shouldn't the balance of the article be corrected by expanding the other sections, not *removing* information or disrupting the flow of the article? --nkayesmith 11:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
One question: do you want me to answer the above in this page or in the article talk page? I just saw this and your intervention in the talk page and wondered... Frederick Davies 22:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
How does this sound: Create a criticism section in Chapter 4, with the following text (as suggested by Fredrick Davies):
This chapter does not mention recent work on biases in the radiosonde network [1] and errors in the satellite temperature record [2]. Nor does it mention the recent CCSP report "Temperature Trends in the Lower Atmosphere: Steps for Understanding and Reconciling Differences" [3], on which Christy was an author, which concludes "Although the majority of observational data sets show more warming at the surface than in the troposphere, some observational data sets show the opposite behavior. Almost all model simulations show more warming in the troposphere than at the surface. This difference between models and observations may arise from errors that are common to all models, from errors in the observational data sets, or from a combination of these factors. The second explanation is favored, but the issue is still open.
with an understanding that future criticisms will be handled in the same manner, unless criticisms are similar enough to merge into one section, which will be decided when all or most sections have criticism sections. --nkayesmith 08:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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I've only just found this page. I'm surprised: both that this page exists, and that I wasn't notified. I don't see the arguments there are being nearly serious enough in dispute to hit mediation William M. Connolley 23:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
-Sorry for the delay in answering, but real life got in the way... -I have already offered Mr. Connolley the possibility of moving his criticism to a section so named, and I even edited the test to make it as neutral as I could (see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shattered_Consensus:_The_True_State_of_Global_Warming&oldid=87114158). -Are we to have a criticism section for each chapter of the book? I have no problem in having a criticism section in chapter 4, as long as it is understood that should others be added to other chapters, they should be grouped together; if not the artcle is going to have too-many too-small sections to be readable. -As for the expansion of the other sections, I have already ordered the book and after reading it I will be thinking about it. At present only Sympa admits to reading the book and Mr. Connolley et al have scared him away, so there is not one with first-hand knowledge of the book to expand it.
Nkayesmith: Each chapter is written by a different author, and they address a separate detail of the argument; what binds them together is their divergence from the "Climate Change consensus", hence the title. On the other hand, the article on The Skeptical Environmentalist, for example, has a single Criticism section even though it addresses issues even more varied than Shattered Consensus does. And an article of another controversial book with a single theme, The Bell Curve, also has a single Criticism section.
Mr Connolley: It is too early; why? We clearly have a disagreement, are we to wait to ask for mediation until we have had a revert-war; is that what you consider grave enough to warrant mediation? Frederick Davies 20:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
By the way, Mr. Connolley does appear as one of the members of RealClimate [1], so his linking to it (even if he is linking to articles not written by himself) breaks point 11 of [2]. Frederick Davies 01:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
If one wants to have an idea of what this book is about, please revert to the original version of the article. Chapters 2 and 4 have been completely dismantled under the disguise of NPOV. But, it was more an exercise in censorship and POV on WMC's part. I have rewritten these two chapters in their entirety already twice. But, nothing short of scathing rebuttals or complete censorship of what these two respective authors stated would satisfy the mentioned editor. In view of the above, I certainly applaud the efforts of the mediators to redress this situation and instill any sort of NPOV back into this article. Only WMC thinks this is a premature effort on this regard. He has confused this article with his own soap box. For that he has his own blog that he shares with like-minded groupthink scientists on the subject. And, he should stick to that. I understand some of the mediators have ordered and will read this book. I am confident that their upcoming reading of this book will confirm in their respective minds my perspective. In other words, in the original article I did not make much up.Sympa 18:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)