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The article was promoted by Karanacs 01:27, 7 October 2009 [1].

Interstate 70 in Colorado[edit]

Nominator(s): Dave (talk) 05:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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This is easily one of the more notable highways in the U.S., due to the engineering required to build it. This has been a work in progress for over 2 years, hopefully it is ready now. Dave (talk) 05:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Note to FAC director: My work schedule has changed, this change will have a severe impact on my free time (and wiki-time). I knew this was coming, but I did not expect this nomination still be open when the change was to happen. I will attempt to resolve the issues when I can. I have also asked others to assist. I ask for patience; however, I understand if you need to close the nomination due to unresolved concerns. Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--Rschen7754 (T C) 05:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  1. "the Rockies" sounds colloquial.
    My intent was to alternate wordings between Rockies and Rocky Mountains to avoid repetition. Please consider this, and advise if you agree or not that were I to replace all instances of Rockies with Rocky Mountains if the article would sound repetitive.
    On second thought, I suppose I could alternate between Rocky Mountains and just mountains, but this might be too vague. Same with the Eisenhower Tunnel below. Thoughts? Dave (talk) 20:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    If "the Rockies" is a commonly used official term to describe the mountains, then it would be okay. "The Rockies" may work since it is a commonly used term. Dough4872 (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    "the Rockies" doesn't sound any more colloquial than "The Rockies". It would be prudent to establish whether "the" should be capitalized or not in reference to this common name. Rocky Mountains seems to indicate "the" is not part of the common form. If we take that as official, the MOS states that "the" should remain lower case. If "the" is indeed part of the common name, it should be capitalized. --LJ (talk) 09:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Assuming I did the search right, all I currently have is "the Rockies". So should we get an authoritative voice saying it should be "The Rockies" a simple search and replace should do it.Dave (talk) 20:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. "This tunnel is both the longest mountain tunnel and the highest point along the Interstate Highway System." in what? the U.S.? North America? the world?
    In the Interstate Highway System. I've asked a few others, and so far all have said this sentence is clear. Once somebody from outside the U.S. Roads wikiproject chimes in, I'll ask their opinion.
    I also think this is clear, with the term "both" linking 'the tunnel' and 'the highest point' to "the Interstate Highway System". However, changing "is" to either "includes" or "comprises", as well as changing "along" to "on" might better connect the two thoughts. --LJ (talk) 09:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Reworded. Dave (talk) 05:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. "the Eisenhower" also sounds colloquial.
    Same reasoning as above with the Rockies.
    In this case, I would suggest adding "Tunnel" after "Eisenhower" as the tunnel is likely not officially referred to as "the Eisenhower". Dough4872 (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Done.
  4. "however, internationally it has been exceed by more recent tunnels, such as the Fenghuoshan Tunnel", it may be helpful to indicate that this is a railroad tunnel in China. Also, what is the highest vehicular tunnel in the world?
    The Fenghoushan tunnel currently (vehicles include rail). If you mean "automotive tunnel", AFAIK it's still the Eisenhower, but I don't have a source to back that up. I had mentioned the tunnel was in China in a earlier version. I'm not sure why I took it out. I'll play with the wording with the next round of fixes.
    It would help if you could clearly indicate the Eisenhower Tunnel is the longest automotive tunnel, try looking for a source. Dough4872 (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I've looked, most sources still say the Eisenhower is the highest tunnel in the world. The Fengoushan tunnel is a recent development, and most sources have not updated to reflect this fact. As such I have no doubt the sources will exist, but currently they are dated. Dave (talk) 05:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  5. "The Eisenhower Tunnel is also the longest mountain tunnel". Again, in what?
    This is a repeat of point number 2.
  6. I still feel the Great Plains section of the Route description needs some more information. It comprises a significant part of the route in Colorado but is only described in brief detail.
    A couple of people have opined this during peer reviews, etc. The problem is, I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel to get what is there. I'm surprised nobody here has complained about trivial information in this section. I'll scrape some more; but frankly, the sources just aren't there for this section. Even according to CDOT, they spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build the freeway over the Rocky Mountains. The other half, just kinda appeared one day. =-)
  7. "Taylor state road"? Is that what the capitalization should be or is it a colloquial term?
    This is a proper name, thanks for catching that.
  8. "central New Jersey" should not link to Pennsylvania Turnpike/Interstate 95 Interchange Project, it should link to Central Jersey and a brief mention may be made to say that the Pennsylvania Turnpike/Interstate 95 Interchange Project will complete the route.
    I've got an idea for an improvement. Please advise if this is better. For the record, Rockies is no more colloquial than "Jersey". =-)
    I would suggest saying in parentheses the Pennsylvania Turnpike/Interstate 95 Interchange Project will complete the route. By the way, Central Jersey (along with North Jersey and South Jersey) are commonly used terms in the media to describe these parts of New Jersey. Dough4872 (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I've tweaked some more. To be honest, I'm not a fan of parenthesis, and normally try to avoid them. However, I've tried something else that may work, please advise.Dave (talk) 02:27, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The current revision works, as any parenthetical mention of the I-95 project is not extremely relevant to this article. The current revision also addresses the next point. --LJ (talk) 09:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  9. I believe there are more than two gaps on the Interstate Highway System, see List of gaps in Interstate Highways.
    I guess that depends on how literal you want to define gap. Those are the only to remaining gaps, as defined as unconstructed pieces. I'll clarify.
    Also, the list article you mention does support this, once you filter out all of the freeways that were not included in the 1956 plan.
  10. The sentence "As one conservationist lamented, I-70 "changed rural Colorado into non-rural Colorado"" sounds like a weasel words.
    This is a direct quote. If you don't like it, I can remove. However, I do think it is a good concluding statement. If you don't mind, I'd prefer to get more opinions on this.
    This quote works well as a concluding statement to the Legacy section. Perhaps there might be a slightly better way to state it? I'd look at it in the original source for ideas, but don't feel like searching through 12 PDF chapters to find it right now... --LJ (talk) 09:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Any reason for the source row in the Exit list? Dough4872 (talk) 01:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    As stated above, most people I've asked outside of the roadgeek community have stated they prefer this formatting. I recognize most of the USRD project hates it. IMO we should go with what the at-large community thinks.
    This method has a more professional appearance than the way USRD cites things in the header, so it doesn't bother me too much. Perhaps the shading of this cell should be changed to match the header row, so that it is not viewed as a row of the table (this shouldn't conflict with the "no colors" consensus at USRD, since it wouldn't be considered data within the table). --LJ (talk) 09:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the review. I would prefer to get additional feedback regarding some of these requested changes.Dave (talk) 06:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have made some replies above. Dough4872 (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have provided comments above regarding some points discussed in this review. --LJ (talk) 09:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - My issues have been addressed. However, I would still prefer if you could eventually find a source for point 4. Dough4872 (talk) 00:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have started on this. As I am just now learning about this guideline, and have no practice. I request a review from someone with more experience, to ensure I've done this right.Dave (talk) 19:36, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks; what you've done so far is quite good. The few problems I see are:
  • I found a couple of words that cannot be immediately verified by a non-expert who is looking only at the image, and need to be removed or reworded. These are the "south" in "south canyon wall", and the "car" in "A car is about to pass under a traffic signal" (isn't that an SUV in view?).
  • A minor grammar problem: "A highway near the top of a ridge, on either side ..." surely that should be ". On" rather than ", on" with a period at the end of the next sentence too.
Just as a heads-up, the highway shields are all purely decorative as they merely repeat adjacent text, so they do not need alt text and instead should be marked with "|link=" as per WP:ALT #When to specify. The one possible exception is the lead shield at the top of the infobox, where you may prefer alt text. You can see an example of all this in Template:Infobox road/doc #Example. The map in the lead infobox will need alt text, though; use the "map_alt=" parameter. Eubulides (talk) 03:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What would you suggest for alt text for the map? (WP:ALT is news to us at USRD, so we're trying to figure out how to update the standards / articles). Also, the example on ((infobox road)) is very atypical of most implementations; look at the code for ((infobox road)) and ((jct)) in Interstate 70 in Colorado. I'm not saying that we're not open to compliance with WP:ALT; it's just going to take some time to figure out how to do this. --Rschen7754 (T C) 03:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
An update: I believe the only things not in compliance on this particular article are the large shield at the top and the map, both in the infobox. --Rschen7754 (T C) 07:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I found 3 images other than that, all generated from templates, which I fixed with this edit and this edit. As I wrote in WT:USRD #WP:ALT it seems that the simplest thing may be to generate the alt text automatically for the large shield at the top. For the map, I suggest something like "I-70 runs generally east-west through Colorado, and intersects a north-south Interstate at a spot a bit northeast of the state's center, from which spot a third Interstate heads northeast." Eubulides (talk) 09:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(od) Thanks for checking. I have made your requested changes. All images now have alt text except for the I-70 shield in the infobox. This will be generated at the infobox level, so no changes will be required to this article. This will be implemented shortly. The reason why this isn't done yet, is this template is used in over 10,000 articles for highways all over the world. There are a lot of scenarios to check to ensure nothing gets broken. However, this has been discussed on several talk pages and the IRC forum. Everybody (so far) is supporting the change, just need to make sure it's done right.Dave (talk) 20:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And done, if I would have waited 10 minutes before posting that. =-) Dave (talk) 21:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all that work. I tweaked the map alt text, which was simply "Map of Colorado" and not that useful, and the resulting alt text looks good to me. Eubulides (talk) 02:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Got 'em, Thanks. Dave (talk) 21:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--Rschen7754 (T C) 22:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes Janitor, a most under-appreciated yet utterly necessary part of modern civilization. Fair enough, if credentials rule, the easiest fix would be to change the word employee to a more specific role. I'll play around with it.Dave (talk) 02:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I could, but doing that would force someone with a slow internet connection to download a gigantic file. By linking to the menu page, everybody's needs can be accommodated with an additional mouse click. Dave (talk) 02:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
--Andy Walsh (talk) 20:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Being the one who initially called many of the sourcing issues of the article into question, I agree with Laser brain that the problems have not yet been addressed. As per my standard, I will not "oppose" over sourcing concerns, although I feel that such must be remedied in full before the article can be promoted. It seems that many of the passages have little to do with the article or have reliability problems. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Again, your concerns were with a different article. Three other people also checked the sources with that article and concluded that the accusations made against me of falsification and plagiarism were exaggerated at best. Issues were found, yes, but they were minor, not major.Dave (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Dave, just to be clear, I know OR to be thoughtful and to act in good faith, so I will feel better about this article once I have checked a majority of the sources. I will do very shortly. I'm not opposing based on his earlier comments, only on my own findings. --Andy Walsh (talk) 01:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would hardly call screaming plagiarism, with nothing to back it up, good faith. But that's for another talk page. Bringing this back to topic, Ottava's review was for a different article. His review was for Interstate 70 in Utah, the article under review here is Interstate 70 in Colorado. Dave (talk) 01:58, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, am I seriously that dense? I need to lay off the Sterno. I sincerely apologize for the mix-up.--Andy Walsh (talk) 02:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're right; I think I did that wrong. They enter Grand Junction as a merged route, but leave the city as separate routes. Can you give me a suggestion? Thanks for bringing that up.Dave (talk) 00:40, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I played with it a couple of ways. Currently I have it with the / replaced with "and". Please advise if you think that's better. Dave (talk) 04:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, no great detail is needed as they are not the article subject.
This is covered in some detail in Interstate Highway standards, which is also wikilinked. Is that sufficient?
I saw stuff about shoulders and camber in there but I couldn't see anything about curvature in terms of how bendy the road is, not even a ban on hairpin bends on Interstates. Is it possible that the road is windier than the norm but there is no standard, or is it simply that our article omits that particular standard? ϢereSpielChequers 12:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Interstate highways are supposed to be designed for 75 MPH driving speeds. The specification that documents this, as well as the shoulder widths is [3]. Unfortunately, worldcat does not show any library that has a copy in a city I'll be likely to visit soon. So I'll strike for now. I do know some of our wikipedian roadgeeks have purchased this standard. As soon as I can get the page numbers, I'll re-add.Dave (talk) 15:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I know we use the same definition. The hairpin turn is on the right side of the photo, about midway. There is also a second hairpin turn, not directly visible, but deducible from where US disappears descending from the previously mentioned hairpin turn and re-appears in the bottom left corner of the photo. If it helps, what the photo is depicting is visible here: [4], with the hairpin bend to the left of "Mt. Sniktau" visible in the photo.
OK I see it now. Despite the loss of aesthetics I think I'd suggest a closeup that shows this more clearly. But others may have a different view. ϢereSpielChequers 12:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Who paid for the I70 and how much
  1. This is a complicated question, as the freeway was built in segments over a 40+ year span. I have provided costs for the Glenwood Canyon piece, and do have the information for a few other pieces, but not for the entire length. Would adding costs for the other pieces that I know be sufficient?Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. I have added construction costs and funding source data for the Eisenhower Tunnel. Dave (talk) 04:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. What is its the capacity (lanes and/or maximum projected vehicles per day) and typical traffic flow
  1. I can easily provide AADT data the next time I'm on wiki. Unfortunately read my note above. Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. AADT data added Dave (talk) 04:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Accident statistics and any notable incidents
  1. Several of the sources used mention an accident in the 1980's where a truck hauling missiles overturned at the Mousetrap, that forced a partial evacuation of downtown Denver. However, I was planning to include this in the article for the Mousetrap, please advise. (That article already has a brief, un-sourced mention).
I see no harm in mentioning it in both. ϢereSpielChequers 12:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a paragraph about the incident in the "Legacy" section of this article. As I am a notoriously crappy writer that requires about 8 tries to get things right, would you mind giving this paragraph a once over, and reporting anything you find? Thanks in advance. Dave (talk) 05:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Speed limits (I'm assuming most of it is at whatever the US national limit is, but the stretch with severe grade warnings and the bendy bit may be lower).
  1. Unfortunately, I haven't found a reliable source for this yet. From personal experience I can tell you that through the tunnels and Glenwood canyon, the speed limits are displayed on the variable message signs and adjust per conditions.Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Any extreme weather closures - I'm assuming that high in the Rockies gets a fair bit of snow, does this ever close the road and if not how do they prevent this.

Would your sources cover any of that? ϢereSpielChequers 13:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  1. I don't recall coming across any, but I'll double check. I agree, there has to be at least one surprise blizzard that caught the state off guard =-). Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for looking through your sources for the areas I considered missing. Obviously we can't add what we can't source, but I think that gives some pointers as to some aspects worth incorporating. Featured Articles only need to be as comprehensive as the source material allows. ϢereSpielChequers 12:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please clarify, I don't see the violation.Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ACCESS describes how left hand images directly under a third level header can disrupt the text, making it harder for those with non-standard viewers to read the text. So, images are not supposed to be on the left in such situations. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you are mistaken, the word "left" does not appear anywhere on the WP:ACCESS page. Please advise. Dave (talk) 15:32, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant policy is the 7th bullet at MOS:IMAGES. --LJ (talk) 18:56, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done, got it, thank you. Dave (talk) 03:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1. "This portion has been recognized by both the federal and state departments of transportation as an engineering marvel and one of the most scenic features of the Interstate Highway System" Ottava Rima (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1. Source - This link says that it was hailed as a marvel. At no time does it say that the state of Colorado hail it as a marvel. The link also does not verify that the state called it "one of the most scenic features". There is no evidence for the state department doing any of the above claim. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"The final link of I-70 through Glenwood Canyon has been hailed as an engineering marvel". The federal source is the one making the superlative claims. The state source does mention it is a scenic drive (i.e. "..spectacular Glenwood Canyon , with its cliffs towering a maximum of 2,000 feet above the Colorado River") but does not mention the superlatives. I'll tweak this later. Unfortunately I have to run (see above). However, if you can do it, I'd be grateful. Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Could you separate the two more - use the explanation you have above. As of right now, it seems that the State and Fed both say both items. Not a big deal, but it was something I didn't pick up on. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done, better?
2. "Through Glenwood Canyon, I-70 is not compliant with Interstate Highway standards for curvature and shoulder width. To minimize these hazards, a command center staffed with Colorado State Patrol officers and tow trucks on standby monitors cameras along the tunnels and viaducts in the canyon" Ottava Rima (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2. Source - This does not seem to say any of the above. I could not find "complaint", "curvature", or "Interstate Highway standards". The word "standards" never appears. I could not find the term "state police" appears once and "state patrol" never. If anything, these would be CDOT employees, which are not "state patrol officers" (at most, you could say "transit cop", but there is no evidence that these are officers to even allow for that). Ottava Rima (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The term used in the source is "emergency vehicles". There are state troopers on-call, as my DMV records will attest (does that count as a reliable source? =-) ) I will attempt to find a more specific source. In the interim, I'd be ok with changing state police to emergency vehicles. The source does support that it is not built to interstate highway standards, but that requires knowing that Interstate highways standards call for a design speed of 75 MPH, with a few exceptions allowed. This is common knowledge for most people with even a basic understanding of US transportation infrastructure. Point is duly noted, that this should be clarified for people who don't. Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I did not notice that, and emergency vehicle would count, but I would suggest possibly using the term above as you offer, or you could break it down to all three (as it would also include fire and ambulance, which would give you -three- aspects that are interesting instead of just one). Ottava Rima (talk) 01:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the specification I need: [5]. No library in my neck of the woods has this, so I can get the exact wording. In the interim wording I have removed the claim of violation of standards.Dave (talk) 15:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3. Article - This portion features grade warning signs with unusual phrasings, such as "Trucks: Don't be fooled", "Truckers, you are not down yet" and "Are your brakes adjusted and cool?" Ottava Rima (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
3. The source is a database and I could not find the above. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is discussed above, in Rschen7754's review. Please see my response there. Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
4. Much of the information, upon looking at the source, in "Earlier routes" is off topic. It deals with history of the highway system as a whole and provides little evidences to a direct connection to I 70. Instead, the history deals with other roads. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is not off-topic. It is providing background for the next section discussing how I-70 came into being through Colorado, as it was not part of the original plans. Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If the highway was not part of the original plans, could you start off the section saying that very thing and then cite it? That way, the information that follows would explain what the original plans were, thus, being more blatantly connected to the rest. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The content was there. However, your point is noted, I have re-arranged the content for (hopefully) better flow.Dave (talk) 21:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5. Article - "They later expressed concerns that the construction would drain resources from completing Interstate Highways they deemed to have a higher priority." Ottava Rima (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5. Source - The closest thing I could find in the source is this "(3) the parallel Interstate across Wyoming in the U.S. 30 corridor (future I-80) was too close," which is very different than what the article suggests. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See the section (of the source) titled "Utah's I-70, an Engineering Marvel". That is the section I was attempting to summarize. Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are many other concerns, but others have expressed quite a bit so I will let them fill in the rest. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Briefly addressed some, please see my note added to the top of the page. Dave (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've made some comments, which should be easy enough to address. As I said above, I only looked at sections others did not talk about or aspects others didn't. Overall, this page is much better than the others I reviewed of yours before. Minimal use of maps, strong use of historical texts, lots of notability without throwing in things that don't seem to logically fit, etc. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles used similar sources; For example, the FWHA article was one of the primary sources for the history sections of both articles. As the Utah article was my first FA nomination, I would certainly hope this one is better. However, I think another part of the equation is the difference in your attitude between the two reviews. With that said, the feedback on this review was good, usable feedback, and for that I thank you.Dave (talk) 03:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Support

Hats off to the author for putting this together. Clearly a labor of love, packed as it is with so much detail. However, such rich detail needs matching clarity of exposition. This the article doesn't have yet. I have left detailed comments on the lead and the first few subsections on the article's talk page. Among other things there, I am urging the author to avoid both redundant or confusing information and "tourist brochure"-sounding formulations such as "X is the highest, the longest, the most awarded, ...." In my view, the article needs another week or two's work. Perhaps the author can work with an external copy editor to achieve these goals. I will then be among those cheering the author (and the article) on. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your review. I like some of your suggested changes. I only have a minute now, but will try to incorporate your suggestions later. Some of your suggestions may require further discussion or a second opinion. For example, I agree that "engineering marvel" does sound more promotional than encyclopedic. However, this is the term used in the sources. The sources used are engineering in nature, not promotional. As such I would say the term is appropriate. Also, while the Eisenhower Tunnel section is written with a lot of superlatives, this is what gives the road notability. I agree it could be toned down a little.

Thanks for the review, Dave (talk) 18:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at some of the comments on the article talk page, and would agree with some of them. However, some of the superlative mentions or "tourist brochure" formulations are directly related to the notability of this highway. These statements are attributed to sources that are technical in nature, so it will be difficult to tone them down to sound less "touristy". --LJ (talk) 20:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fowler, thank you for the review and kind words. I have implemented many of your suggestions verbatim, some with some additional wording tweaks. I have not yet implemented a few of your suggestions, pending some second opinions and or additional research to provide the requested clarification. Thanks again. Dave (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Many apologies, I forgot to check here! The text is much improved. Changing to support. Congratulations on writing a very informative article! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - File:I-70 (CO) map.svg - This map needs a source. All other images are fine. Awadewit (talk) 03:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks for checking. Dave (talk) 04:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All images are now fine. Thanks! Awadewit (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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