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June 22

Category:DYK/Successful nominations

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 22:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category of Category:Passed DYK nominations. The reason not to merge, is that the category should be a container category so the pages should only be in the monthly categories. Gonnym (talk) 21:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs with lyrics by Jack Lawrence

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 July 22#Category:Songs with lyrics by Jack Lawrence

Category:Legislatures of Canadian provinces and territories

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The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. The Legislative assemblies category page is far older, so I will move it over the Legislatures category page. – Fayenatic London 22:32, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. In their current state, the second category holds the articles dedicated to these assemblies, while the first category holds the eponymous subcategories for the same topics. This is not how the category system work, as it confuses the reader in terms of navigation and, per WP:EPONCAT, an article and its eponymous category can be in the same parent category if its scope is defining for both (which is the case here). Per WP:C2D, the merged category should be named after main article Legislative assemblies of Canadian provinces and territories. Place Clichy (talk) 09:36, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that subcategories shouldn't be in a different category than its lead articles. But a bit more cleanup will be required after this merge. For clarification, after Canadian provinces got rid of provincial upper houses, they were left with the odd situation of unicameral legislatures with different names for the lower house and the general assembly. E.g., the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba is the only assembly of the Manitoba Legislature, which used to also contain the Legislative Council of Manitoba. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 15:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 20:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC) [reply]
  • Category:Canadian provincial legislatures
    • Category:Canadian provincial legislatures by jurisdiction
      • Category:Alberta Legislature
      • etc
    • Category:Canadian provincial legislatures by topic
      • Category:Canadian provincial assemblies
        • Category:Canadian provincial defunct upper houses
      • Category:Canadian provincial legislature members
      • Category:Canadian provincial ridings
      • etc
—Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 16:08, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Births in Eure-et-Loir

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:03, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These appear to be the same as "People from...." Rathfelder (talk) 18:35, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:United States regional and state political parties

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match parent Category:Political parties in the United States. User:Namiba 16:11, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian football chairmen and investors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I have no idea what this category is meant to cover. Every club has a chairman. Some invest in their club with sponsorship or donations. Private ownership is no longer a thing. The-Pope (talk) 15:32, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Glee (TV series) songs

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete WP:G4. I will move Category:Lists of songs in Glee up into Category:Glee (TV series). – Fayenatic London 14:09, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: after closing, I found Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_September_4#Category:Glee_(TV_series)_music] which refers to some original songs on Glee. This close is no bar to creating a category for original songs, but it will be necessary to make that purpose clear in the category name, e.g. "Glee (TV series) original songs". – Fayenatic London 15:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Convert Category:Glee (TV series) songs to article List of Glee songs
Nominator's rationale: Far too many songs that have been sung on Glee (TV series) do not have that fact as a defining characteristic. Adding the category in those cases is a violation of WP:CATDEF. The category should be listified. Binksternet (talk) 15:12, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as not defining for any of the songs mentioned and redundant with existing Lists of songs in Glee and the many season lists pointed to. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Reich Main Security Office

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: After a discussion on the talk page, the main article has been re-named to Reich Security Main Office. I am requesting that this category be re-named to match. Thanks. — Diannaa (talk) 11:51, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Reich Main Security Office personnel

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: After a discussion on the talk page, the main article has been re-named to Reich Security Main Office. I am requesting that this category be re-named to match. Thanks. — Diannaa (talk) 11:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Madonna (entertainer)

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ✗plicit 13:44, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per C2D; the category should reflect the name the corresponding page exists at. If consensus deemed Madonna to unequivocally be the primary topic, categorisation should ultimately reflect that for cohesion. Otherwise, that discussion should be reopened, because if ambiguity occurs in categorisation, it would undoubtedly occur in the naming of the relevant articles too. Some will raise the point that the categorisation is ambiguous, and to those I ask, which is more important: consistency and assisting readers/editors in navigation, or a hatnote which raises more questions than it answers? I think some sort of categorisation hatnote (if any such exists) would be appropriate to assist those who intend to find categories related to Mary, the mother of Jesus. The current solution provides absolutely no context as to why Mary is also known by that name, and will only cause greater confusion. Here's a link to the speedy rename request earlier today which was subsequently denied, resulting in this discussion (if there are any other relevant discussions, please link them below). I lack experience in doing bundled nominations, so I would greatly appreciate any assistance here if anyone wants to add appropriate subcategories. Please ping me where necessary, as I don't make a habit of checking my watchlist. Sean Stephens (talk) 11:25, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I doubt so as well. This fact alone could base a necessary Contra! --Just N. (talk) 12:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are two approaches here: deferring to main article names even when that creates imperfect category names which is a consistent and easy approach or generating better category names by making individual exceptions that is less consistent and more time consuming. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
True, but would anyone really say that Category:London, England is a better category name for Category:London? Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:38, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe? Personally I favor blindly deferring to main article names to keep this venue focused on categories and to encourage much needed WP:RMs. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree that there is more than enough work at CFD than to bother with disambiguating categories that are primary topics in article space. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:58, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Birmingham is a better example than London. Blindly following Birmingham would be silly (and one usually finds people in Category:People from Birmingham). Oculi (talk) 15:29, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Birmingham is indeed a better example because there are two major cities by that name so the current main article title is not a primary topic. That poor article naming persists in no small part because CFD is overriding that decision and using a better name in the category space. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:31, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed; cfd is a wiser forum, and should support the retention of Madonna (entertainer), a brief passing fad, as opposed to the proper Madonna, the clear primary topic for the last 2100 years. Oculi (talk) 13:24, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If we support the principle of consensus, it is a difficult to argue that CFD is a wiser forum than others. Other fora certainly get more participation. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I actually really appreciate saying out loud the perspective that CFD is a wiser forum than RM; to me that is the central disagreement here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:04, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • To me that is not the central disagreement, the disagreement rather is following article space at all times vs allowing a few exceptions. I do not have an issue with the article title, because in article space you can easily navigate to other pages with the same name if you wish. So we are having two different discussions simultaneously. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sign-language films

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 July 1#Category:Sign-language films

Category:Bishonen test categories

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The result of the discussion was: Nomination withdrawn. It was certainly not my intention to touch such a nerve. I would benefit from moving on to other WP work; perhaps others would as well. (non-admin closure) UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete I understood that the creation/use of categories simply to capture a single user's categorization scheme (in this case, that of User:Bishonen) was at least frowned upon. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:25, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also like to add that "only one user finds them useful" is an excuse that doesn't appear anywhere in our policies. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Private Secretaries to the Duke of York

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There may well be a titled position called "Private Secretary to the Duke of York", but if there is, there is no WP article about it. Lacking such an article to go by, I suggest we convert this into a descriptive category, de-capitalizing "secretaries" and using the WP name of the person, which is Prince Andrew, Duke of York. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Interviews by interviewee

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The result of the discussion was: merge all (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I suggest dismantling this tree entirely. There are simply not enough articles about interviews to justify subcategorizing them by interviewee. Every nominated subcategory contains just one article, except for Category:Stanisław Lem interviews, which contains two. I suggest merging to the parents. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Law clerks of Judge Learned Hand

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 July 22#Category:Law clerks of Judge Learned Hand

Category:Members of the Council of Fifty

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The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 13:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Being a member of this Latter Day Saint council is not defining for most of those categorized in it. It existed from 1844 to 1884 (de facto) or 1945 (de jure), but as the article Council of Fifty states: "Although the Council played a significant role during the last few months of Joseph Smith's life, particularly in his campaign for President of the United States [i.e. in 1844], the Council's role was mostly symbolic throughout the 19th century within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This was largely because the Council was primarily meant for a time when secular governments had ceased to function. Regular meetings of the Council ended in 1884 after the church publicly abandoned its theocratic aspirations." Mention of membership is uneven across articles, but in most cases it is not mentioned in the lead. I would say listify, but it already exists, as does a membership template for articles. All of the articles (except for the non-Mormons on the Council) are appropriately categorized elsewhere under Category:Latter Day Saint leaders, so there's no need to merge anywhere. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:35, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bishops of Kotor

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:06, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per consistency with the rest of this category tree. Per designation of "Roman Catholic" as members of the Latin Church. Per parent category. Elizium23 (talk) 01:05, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Members of the Motion Picture Association

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:05, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Members of the Motion Picture Association
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT & WP:OVERLAPCAT)
The Motion Picture Association is an industry trade association for the major American film studios: Netflix, Paramount, Sony, Universal, Disney, & Warner Bros. Being an American film studio is absolutely defining which is why we already have Category:American film studios and these are all now global media companies that must belong to a number of different trade associations. The category contents are already listified right in the intro of the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:California Yacht Club sailors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 19:32, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting Category:California Yacht Club sailors
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT & WP:SMALLCAT)
The only article in this category is Hal Haenel, an Olympic sailing athlete that competed in 1988 and 1992 and won medals both times. The infobox for that article has a line that reads:
"Club: California Yacht Club"
That's a pretty thin basis for category. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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