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Category:Masters of foxhounds

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The result of the discussion was: keep. It would of course be appropriate to purge any members for whom this is non-defining or unreferenced. – Fayenatic London 06:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT and WP:PERFCAT
According to the header of this category:
"Masters of foxhounds were originally the owners of the packs of hounds used for fox hunting and the employers of hunt servants. Now they are more often the members of fox hunts with control of the hunt. ..."
With the earlier biographies, this appears to be a traditional responsibility of nobles, which is why there are no less than 10 Dukes of Beaufort in this category. For more recent people that lived in the 1900s like George Bullough and George Bevan Bowen, this appears to be a passing hobby function. (There are a few that mention this role in the lede, like Cecil Aldin and Andrew Allan (shipowner), but they are the exception.) Having owners in sports certainly can be defining, like with Category:Canadian Football League owners, but this doesn't seem as defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are a lot of other nobility in this category though, like Henry Lowther, 3rd Earl of Lonsdale and John Manners-Sutton, 3rd Baron Manners who presumably were the hound owners but I'm just guessing since their articles don't mention fox hunting at all. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It’s hard to say without looking into the detail. Most landowning peers used to have plenty of leisure for such a demanding role, and some still do. Moonraker (talk) 17:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ideally, there would be a more narrow category that captured people who did this as a vocation but exclude wealthy landowners that just owned hounds. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Owning the hounds doesn’t make you an MFH. Some are rich, some not, but there’s no pay. The huntsman is paid. Moonraker (talk) 03:13, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Master of Foxhounds section says they're often the largest financial contributor and the category header says they typically own the hounds. There appears to be, at least, a financial component. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:48, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Often the largest financial contributor may be true, but the header says originally owning the hounds, not typically. Not sure where money comes into the discussion here! Moonraker (talk) 02:40, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some people are repelled by fox hunting, Just N., but the question is whether being an MFH is a defining characteristic. (You may not have noticed that many are from outside the British Isles.) Moonraker (talk) 06:21, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Whether it is repelling or not is of course an aside. Whether this is a non-defining obligation of nobles, is the central point of disagreement. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If it was ever an obligation, RevelationDirect, which I doubt, that was a very long time ago. Until about 1900 most MFHs did come from the landed gentry, but not now. There are a lot of peers in this category because almost all of them were notable until the House of Lords Act 1999 came along, so most have WP articles. See the list of MFHs at Quorn Hunt, only one peer since 1898. But I do not see that the social rank of anyone makes any difference. This is a nearly full-time job for about half the year, even if unpaid, and jobs are defining. Moonraker (talk) 02:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
— Duplicate vote: Moonraker (talk • contribs) has already cast a vote above.
No, Just N., the second “keep” is for the US category added by Good Ol’factory, please see above. If there is any fire-breathing, it is not coming from me. Moonraker (talk) 11:19, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I would like to see more discussion on whether this is defining according to the definition and criteria provided by WP:DEFINING.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 21:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Revisionist Western

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 06:54, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename for consistency and to avoid any confusion because all the other sub-cats of Category:Western (genre) films by genre are defined as containing films. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:44, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, but Revisionist should be singular. Have amended proposed target in nomination. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:55, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lawrence Vikings athletic directors

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:50, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to Category:College athletic directors in the United States. Contains only 1 article. User:Namiba 15:08, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sports in Hot Springs, Arkansas

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:53, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contains only the category for sportspeople from the town. User:Namiba 15:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sports in Fort Smith, Arkansas

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:56, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: contains only 1 article and a category for sportspeople from the town. User:Namiba 15:03, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sports in Aliso Viejo, California

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. It contains only a redirect and a category for sportspeople from the town. User:Namiba 15:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Members of the Guild of Saint Luke

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 23#Members of the Guild of Saint Luke

Category:Law clerks of Judge Learned Hand

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 13:00, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We generally do not include titles of persons in category names. Category:Works by Barack Obama, not Category:Works by President Barack Obama. The article about the person is Learned Hand. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC) [reply]
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Category:Myrath

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 13:02, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Articles for two albums only which are already in an appropriate "albums by artist" subcategory. Zero point for this eponymous parent. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:28, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Derek Chauvin

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 13:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Subject committed only one crime. This cat is unnecessary. WWGB (talk) 04:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Serie E clubs

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 7#Category:Serie E clubs

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