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Category:Country location map templates

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Category:Fireboats of North America

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:27, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Fireboats by country which is the same as this cat + Category:Fireboats of the United Kingdom. --Trialpears (talk) 19:07, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:One Buck Short

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:28, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Complete content includes one album, a song from the album, and the cover of the album. Insufficient per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:52, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:External services (broadcasting)

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match the main article. Also, "external" is a bit confusing...external to what? They are all external to different countries, but sometimes also available domestically. Beland (talk) 15:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Austrian Empire military leaders of the French Revolutionary Wars

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Category:Android (robot)

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. MER-C 09:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Less clumsy name. The currently existing Category:Androids should be moved to Category:Individual androids. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:56, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • We are not yet at the point in real life where the issue of defining a "series" of androids is pertinent. All the androids that exist today are one-off creations. If that point comes, we can create a new category called Category:Android production models or something. In any case, the proper category name should be plural, there is plenty of precedent, like Category:Cars, which is not Category:Car.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:35, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You are incorrect. You should have clicked on some of the androids in that category ... ASIMO, EveR, HRP-4C, Telenoid (and it's predecessors on that page "Geminoid"), and the Actroid all have more than one model. Some have three or more. Chaosdruid (talk) 18:42, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
They can be named similarly and be related, but there is no mass production of androids currently happening anywhere. Calling them models would be a stretch, as opposed to successive prototypes.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:51, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Android (robot) fiction

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Androids in fiction. – Fayenatic London 12:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Android (robot) fiction to Category:Fiction about androids
Nominator's rationale: Far less clumsy naming scheme. Also nominating all child categories by extension. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:54, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per WP:NONDEF, the scope of the category should never be "anything that contains androids". The category has to be a defining characteristic of the work. Whether it's defining should preferably be dependent on an external source saying something like, "this is a book about an android who...", not totally subjective on the Wikipedian's opinion.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:10, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree in part, but that's why I suggested the proposed category would be either a small set or one that is subjective, arbitrary, or trivial. Fiction is rarely about a single topic, and so there will be few works (i.e. a small set) that are meaningfully identified in an external source as being about androids. Relying on the presence of a formulaic expression in an external source along the lines of "this work is about an android" addresses the previous issue, but it renders the category arbitrary and, in my view, trivial. Over time, because finding sources to support categories requires effort, what will most likely happen is that the category will become bloated with articles on fiction that includes androids to varying degrees (i.e. subjective). -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The subcategories are already being used as subcategories set categories, the rename will not change that. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • (I assume you meant "set categories"...) That is not entirely so. Some are, but others are not. Consider, for example, the films subcategory, which should be renamed to Category:Androids in film. As a category for the topic of androids in film, it would contain the article Alien: Covenant, which includes prose (see Alien: Covenant#Analysis) devoted to analysis of the android character in the film. As a category for the set of films about androids, it would not, because the film is plainly not about androids. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok this is an example of some prose about the topic (not enough prose to consider it a defining characteristic, I would say), but anyway it is highly exceptional. If your goal is to just keep articles with prose about the topic in the categories then we might just as well delete the categories because too few articles will be left. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Trialpears Thanks, I agree. CfD discussions often result in a dual upmerge or downmerge result, or the result is conflicted in the discussion, so I agree with you they're tricky in that respect. I'm glad I didn't close this one...it was better that I added my support to help solidify the consensus further. Doug Mehus T·C 16:14, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Transformers Alternators

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I'll list this on the manual page to verify that merging and deletion are equivalent. MER-C 09:23, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overly specific category. All articles are present in other series-related categories. TTN (talk) 14:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Headmasters (Transformers)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I'll list this on the manual page to verify that merging and deletion are equivalent. MER-C 09:23, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overly specific category. All articles are covered under multiple other categories based on the franchise. TTN (talk) 14:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Cyberjets

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:30, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Defunct category with only a single article, and no real categorization use in the first place. TTN (talk) 14:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • As with all the other categories I nominated, almost every article is covered by other in-universe categories, so there is no reason to upmerge them. TTN (talk) 15:48, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • @TTN: It is not sufficient to check that articles would not be orphaned by deleting a category. It is also necessary to check whether they are otherwise contained within the specific parent categories of the category proposed for deletion. – Fayenatic London 09:18, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Literally every Transformers category is covered under a single parent category, so they will always be covered no matter what is removed, with the exception of a few major categories in another subsection. TTN (talk) 10:20, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Disney voice actors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:28, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT – Muboshgu (talk) 04:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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