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Category:Comptrollers

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename, parallel to Government audit officials etc. The present category is over-categorisation by WP:SHAREDNAME, mixing political and general management positions in with government accounting officers, see Comptroller. (Note: for several recent CfDs that removed some Comptroller categories, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 September 21.) – Fayenatic London 23:07, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm a bit hesitant about this, since these government officials are actually named Comptrollers. What about the following alternative rename: Category:Comptrollers (government officials) ? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, because some of those have nothing in common apart from the name of their position. There may be others who should become part of this hierarchy, even though known by other titles. – Fayenatic London 14:04, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Church

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The result of the discussion was: convert to category disambiguation page. – Fayenatic London 15:24, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominators rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME, very different entries are brought together in a category based on the word "church". This is a follow-up on an earlier proposal to delete, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_October_4#Category:Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • As it's not going to be just deleted, would you then support the nomination instead? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would prefer to it be deleted. If it can't be deleted, it should be unusable as category, so a disambiguation category would do so. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 09:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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International association football competitions by host

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The result of the discussion was: Rename according to option A. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:04, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming...
Option A: "Association football"
Option B: National variant ("football", "soccer", etc.)
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Antigua and Barbuda to Category:International football competitions hosted by Antigua and Barbuda
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Bangladesh to Category:International football competitions hosted by Bangladesh
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Botswana to Category:International football competitions hosted by Botswana
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Burkina Faso to Category:International football competitions hosted by Burkina Faso
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Cameroon to Category:International football competitions hosted by Cameroon
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by China to Category:International football competitions hosted by China
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Costa Rica to Category:International football competitions hosted by Costa Rica
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Cuba to Category:International football competitions hosted by Cuba
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Egypt to Category:International football competitions hosted by Egypt
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by El Salvador to Category:International football competitions hosted by El Salvador
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Ethiopia to Category:International football competitions hosted by Ethiopia
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Ghana to Category:International football competitions hosted by Ghana
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Guatemala to Category:International football competitions hosted by Guatemala
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Honduras to Category:International football competitions hosted by Honduras
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Hong Kong to Category:International football competitions hosted by Hong Kong
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by India to Category:International football competitions hosted by India
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Indonesia to Category:International football competitions hosted by Indonesia
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Iran to Category:International football competitions hosted by Iran
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Iraq to Category:International football competitions hosted by Iraq
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Ivory Coast to Category:International football competitions hosted by Ivory Coast
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Jamaica to Category:International football competitions hosted by Jamaica
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Japan to Category:International football competitions hosted by Japan
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Jordan to Category:International football competitions hosted by Jordan
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Kenya to Category:International football competitions hosted by Kenya
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Kuwait to Category:International football competitions hosted by Kuwait
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Laos to Category:International football competitions hosted by Laos
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Lebanon to Category:International football competitions hosted by Lebanon
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Libya to Category:International football competitions hosted by Libya
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Malaysia to Category:International football competitions hosted by Malaysia
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Mali to Category:International football competitions hosted by Mali
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Morocco to Category:International football competitions hosted by Morocco
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Nepal to Category:International football competitions hosted by Nepal
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Nigeria to Category:International football competitions hosted by Nigeria
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Oman to Category:International football competitions hosted by Oman
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Pakistan to Category:International football competitions hosted by Pakistan
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Palestine to Category:International football competitions hosted by Palestine
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Panama to Category:International football competitions hosted by Panama
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Qatar to Category:International football competitions hosted by Qatar
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Rwanda to Category:International football competitions hosted by Rwanda
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Saudi Arabia to Category:International football competitions hosted by Saudi Arabia
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Senegal to Category:International football competitions hosted by Senegal
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Singapore to Category:International football competitions hosted by Singapore
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by South Korea to Category:International football competitions hosted by South Korea
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Sri Lanka to Category:International football competitions hosted by Sri Lanka
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Sudan to Category:International football competitions hosted by Sudan
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Syria to Category:International football competitions hosted by Syria
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Taiwan to Category:International football competitions hosted by Taiwan
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Tanzania to Category:International football competitions hosted by Tanzania
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Thailand to Category:International football competitions hosted by Thailand
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Category:International football competitions hosted by the Democratic Republic of the Congo
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by the Maldives to Category:International football competitions hosted by the Maldives
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by the Philippines to Category:International football competitions hosted by the Philippines
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by the United Arab Emirates to Category:International football competitions hosted by the United Arab Emirates
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Trinidad and Tobago to Category:International football competitions hosted by Trinidad and Tobago
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Tunisia to Category:International football competitions hosted by Tunisia
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Uzbekistan to Category:International football competitions hosted by Uzbekistan
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Vietnam to Category:International football competitions hosted by Vietnam
  • Category:International football (soccer) competitions hosted by Yemen to Category:International football competitions hosted by Yemen
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by Canada to Category:International club football competitions hosted by Canada
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by China to Category:International club football competitions hosted by China
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by Gabon to Category:International club football competitions hosted by Gabon
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by Hong Kong to Category:International club football competitions hosted by Hong Kong
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by Iran to Category:International club football competitions hosted by Iran
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by Japan to Category:International club football competitions hosted by Japan
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by South Korea to Category:International club football competitions hosted by South Korea
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by Malaysia to Category:International club football competitions hosted by Malaysia
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by Morocco to Category:International club football competitions hosted by Morocco
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by Saudi Arabia to Category:International club football competitions hosted by Saudi Arabia
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by Thailand to Category:International club football competitions hosted by Thailand
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by the United Arab Emirates to Category:International club football competitions hosted by the United Arab Emirates
  • Category:International club football (soccer) competitions hosted by the United States to Category:International club soccer competitions hosted by the United States
Nominator's rationale: Within Category:Association football, there is an established convention to use "association football" for international or general-topic categories and the national variant (either "football" or "soccer", typically) for national-level categories. How should this convention apply to Category:International association football competitions by host, which categorizes international competitions by host country? Should the subcategories use the national variant of the host country, or should they use "association football" because they contain articles about international competitions?
There is a drawback either way... With Option A, a category such as Category:International association football competitions hosted by Costa Rica would be housed within Category:Football competitions in Costa Rica, leading to a naming discrepancy within that category tree. With Option B, international competitions involving multiple nations would be categorized under the variant of one particular nation—for example, a competition hosted by England and involving the United States would be categorized as a "football competition", and a competition hosted by the United States and involving England would be categorized as a "soccer competition". (WikiProject Football has been notified.) -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:13, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Prince-Bishops of France

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:35, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: the Prince-Bishoprics of Strasbourg and Metz were part of the Holy Roman Empire at that time, not part of France. The respective bishops of Strasbourg and Metz are already parented to Category:Roman Catholic Prince-Bishops of the Holy Roman Empire. (See also three discussions starting from Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_November_16#Category:Prince-Bishops_of_Latvia.) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:29, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bishops of Dié

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Roman Catholic bishops in France. – Fayenatic London 15:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Roman Catholic Diocese of Saint-Dié. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:53, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American female pop singer-songwriters

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:American female pop singer-songwriters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American female pop singers and Category:American female singer-songwriters
Nominator's rationale: Like the rock one, a decision was already reached on Category:American pop singer-songwriters to triple-upmerge it. This child category was missed in that nomination, and would be made an orphan by that action. Count me as Neutral but the current situation makes no sense, Courcelles 17:11, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American female rock singer-songwriters

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The result of the discussion was: merge; each article will have to be assessed individually for target; will place at WP:CFDWM. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:38, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging Category:American female rock singer-songwriters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American female rock singers and Category:American female singer-songwriters
Nominator's rationale: This child cat seems to have been missed in the decision to delete its parent, and therefore should be discussed. Count me as Neutral but the current situation makes no sense. Courcelles 17:09, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Contemporary music

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 15:20, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per main article: contemporary music/contemporary classical music. Alternate proposal: Delete as an arbitrary mish-mash of 20th/21st-century musical styles, including contemporary R&B, Pop, psychedelic, etc. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 12:44, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would assume that 'contemporary' is a documented term, preferably based on an article. For classical music this is the case, for Christian music as well. So for those types of music it would be okay to use 'contemporary' as a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:55, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People educated at Marple Hall School

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The result of the discussion was: } no consensus; category re-populated with a total of 5 articles. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:37, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nothing here that isn't on the school's main page. One Of Seven Billion (talk) 10:24, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unfortunately we have thousands of 1 member categories, let's get rid of them if they can't be populated as they just hinder navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:31, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I can't really assess this nomination since the category has been largely purged. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:33, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Television series involving disabilities

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:33, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too vague to be of any meaning. Virtually every show in the 19080s had a "very special episode" revealing a character's ADHD, blind neighbor, etc. Shows often include characters with various impairments of varying severity. How bad was George Costanza's vision? Velma Dinkley's? Geordi La Forge's? Does Scooby Doo have a speech impediment? There is no clear line. SummerPhD (talk) 07:29, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Velma is nearly helpless when she drops her glasses. Geordi is blind without his visor. Both sets of eyewear are more essential than Dr. House's cane, but we don't have sources calling any of them "disabled". It all comes down to original research. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@SummerPhD: Geordi La Forge is described as blind and we generally consider blindness a disability. I don't see original research entering the equation. Velma illustrates my point well – she has poor eyesight but is not considered disabled, just like I've never been described as disabled (though I'm similarly "Velma-helpless" without a visual aid). Also, please find attached an academic source discussing La Forge and disability. Ultimately it boils down to economic utility in modern society, but discussing this fully will simply derail the discussion! SFB 20:07, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Were Velma to apply for a job at a lab and the protective eye wear provided didn't work with her glasses, she could demand protective eye wear that does under the Americans with Disabilities Act. This would also apply to George Costanza. Category:Television series involving presbyopia and other disabilities? I'm willing to bet every episode of every medical show includes someone with a disability. Looking up a list of popular TV shows, I found list. Of the shows listed, I've seen only a handful: The Walking Dead, The Big Bang Theory, Breaking Bad, Orange is the New Black, Downton Abbey and Dexter. As far as I can see, ALL of them would qualify for this category, even if we don't count glasses. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:31, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We're still in WP:OR territory here. What is a "disability" and is it "central"? Is Dr. House's cane use a disability that is "central"? It isn't mentioned in the introduction. The intro to Star Trek: The Next Generation doesn't mention any characters, so that one's out. Ditto Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood. "A key recurring character was Geri Tyler...who has cerebral palsy" is not in the intro at The Facts of Life (TV series). Heck, most of the current members of the poorly populated category don't mention anything that might be a disability: Alphas, Blind Justice (TV series) (other than it being in the title!), Covert Affairs, Criminal Minds, Daredevil (TV series), George Lopez (TV series), Ironside (2013 TV series), John Callahan's Quads!... I'm just not seeing a way through this that gives us objective membership in the category without rewriting articles with the aim of including them in the category. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I won't argue with some of the ones you singled out — but the very first sentence of Blind Justice is "Blind Justice is an American television series created by Steven Bochco about a blind New York City police detective", so it's not just in the title. Daredevil is about a blind lawyer slash superhero, if you read the "premise" section. Ironside is a literal remake of the 1967 series that's sitting right next to it in the same category, and the introduction contains the phrase "wheelchair-using". John Callahan's Quads! needs some major improvements as written, I admit, but the show's core premise was all about a guy in a wheelchair and his support system of other friends who were all also disabled in one way or another (including a blind guy, a double arm amputee and a disembodied head) — depicting disability was the show's entire raison d'être.
I'm not disagreeing that there are some cases where it's OR as to how central the disability is to the premise — but there are numerous other cases where there's simply no actual debate to be had at all, and a category is warranted for those unequivocal no-OR-necessary cases. I argued in favour of removing those subjective and/or OR cases, not leaving them untouched. Bearcat (talk) 21:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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