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Category:Ancient Jewish villages in the Land of Israel

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 13:24, 4 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Less POV title. A classic trope is to claim that "we were here first", which is what this category is effectively doing for places which have been inhabited by many different populations over in some cases thousands of years. Let's be neutral and just call them "villages". Note: different arguments may apply to villages of more recent history, I just think asserting these 2-thousand-year-old sites are "Jewish" villages, when in several cases I've looked at the villages had overlapping populations of jews, muslims, christians at different time periods- may be problematic. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 21:12, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Shalom11111 (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Shalom11111 (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can't disregard whole fields of knowledge to make a point. Some Jewish populations are cross referenced by writings like the gospels and Josephus. Some Archaeological sites have Mikvehs in addition to trash. It's probably harder to make out a pure population, but that just mean the cat should be wider. So I propose Category:Ancient Jewish populations, and try to break down by period or polity. trespassers william (talk) 12:45, 29 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
this is a category talking about sites which exist today in a country called Israel. No need to worry about what the land was called at the time - we categorize archeological sites by the country they currently reside in.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:35, 2 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Organizations that oppose LGBT hate-crime legislation

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 19:58, 6 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Better to merge this up, rather than have finer and finer divisions of which particular part of LGBT rights these groups oppose. There is no such Category:Organizations that support LGBT adoption nor Category:Organizations that support LGBT hate-crime legislation and this is hardly defining for these entities.Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think it's a bad idea to use categories to write an article. We should focus on things which are WP:DEFINING, and slicing a broad-based advocacy group like Australian_Christian_Lobby into all of the things it supports and opposes at a micro-level like this is a bit exaggerated, and it's not what categories are for. We don't have Category:Organizations opposed to logging the Brazilian rainforests and Category:Organizations that want to save Yellowstone's wolves, and so on - we generally group them by broader themes. These are too specific.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When this first came up, there was some level of consensus that an article that fit multiple categories (adoption, survivor rights, etc.) would be placed in the parent category. I will post a link to the discussion when I have an opportunity to search for it.- MrX 20:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
but that's the point of the nom - these are so fine-grained, any org which JUST opposes gay adoption but which is otherwise a staunch supporter of gay rights will not be DEFINED by such opposition on one point. Again, I pointed out that we don't even have a cat for those orgs which Support this - and I'm not convinced we need one either - if we Start breaking down political advocacy orgs with cats for their stance on every issue it will lead to massive category clutter. Cats are not meant to write an article, they are meant for navigation.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 12:28, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Rangers F.C. captains

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge all 3 to players categories. – Fayenatic London 13:12, 4 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDEFINING; WP:OC#TRIVIAL. The defining characteristic of a football player is whether or not they play for the team, not whether they captained it. The team captain in football is largely a ceremonial / honorific role (unlike, say, cricket) and changes frequently between and even during games, due to injuries, suspensions, loss of form, etc.. For most club sides there are insufficient resources to accurately record who has captained the team; most statistical sites and books will record appearances and goals, but not necessarily the team captaincy. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also nominating:

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 19:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In addition if you truly believe a captain is a ceremonial / honorific role and doesn't define a footballer, what makes you think List of Scotland national football team captains is notable? I ask because equally your rationale can be placed on this article you created.Blethering Scot 19:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You cannot compare club captains to country captains. GiantSnowman 19:46, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I most certainly can and will. There is no difference in terms of a defining characteristic or an honour roles JM states that a captain is. Sorry but the rationale applies equally to both. Your hardly going to find evidence Rangers captains meet GNG in a cat, and in addition GNG doesn't apply to categories as you well know.Blethering Scot 20:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, GNG applies to the topic; and if the topic is not notable then a related category certainly is not. If you can find the sources to create List of Rangers F.C. captains then we might have basis for the category. GiantSnowman 20:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Strongly disagree with you, but well leave it at that. I think it wouldn't be difficult to create an article that would meet GNG, however i have absolutely no desire to do so. The point stands however and the rationale is flawed on a number of counts.Blethering Scot 21:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Jamaican people of Syrian-Jewish descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:25, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This entire cat seems to exist just for the Marley family based on a MAYBE they had distant Jewish-Syrian ancestry. Someone said They MAY have had something. And hence and entire cat is now on all the son's of Bob Marley's page. (and obviously Bob). Have not filed this before so not sure if i am doing it right.--Inayity (talk) 18:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've tagged it.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:06, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Persecution of gay and lesbian people

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per the contents, we should just use the broader 4-quadrant version here. One parent is Category:Discrimination_against_LGBT_people and one child is Category:Violence_against_LGBT_people, and this already contains Category:Transphobic violence (and I don't think it is meant to exclude same), thus the rename is more inclusive. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As per these CFDs ([1], [2], [3]) regarding the term "repression", the container category wording is overly broad, subjective and emotive, and should be reworded. Quis separabit? 12:22, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Trans is not considered a "sexual orientation", but I don't see any reason to keep it out, so your formulation is less broad and would exclude transphobic violence.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:07, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Reworded; wish I could think of a better word than "persecution", which is subjective terminology. Quis separabit? 14:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Treaties in Geneva

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The result of the discussion was: listify at Geneva Conference and delete. – Fayenatic London 08:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category appears to be for either (a) treaties that were concluded/signed in Geneva, or (b) treaties that include the name "Geneva" in the common name of the treaty. If (a), this is not part of an overall scheme of treaties by place of conclusion; such information is probably largely trivial and certainly not defining for the treaties. If (b), this is just overcategorization by shared naming feature. Either way, I think it should be deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Prime Ministers of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same as below. Tomcat (7) 13:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)----Reply[reply]
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Category:Prime Ministers of the Russian Federation

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same as below. Tomcat (7) 13:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Alternatively: Chairmen of the Government of the Russian Federation--Tomcat (7) 13:32, 23 April 2014 (UTC)----Reply[reply]
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Category:Prime Ministers of Russian Provisional Government

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same as below. Also, an article was left out. Tomcat (7) 13:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)----Reply[reply]
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Category:Prime Ministers of Russian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same reason as in Category:Heads of government of Russia. Also, article was left out. Tomcat (7) 13:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Category:Audacity Innovative

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Propose deletion of Category:Audacity Innovative
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category created by COI/SPA editor in order to popularize two newly created articles. -SFK2 (talk) 08:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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