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Category:Simon Fraser soccer players

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Simon Fraser soccer players to Category:Simon Fraser Clan soccer players
Nominator's rationale: Simon Fraser University sports teams are known as the Simon Fraser Clan and as per naming convention with North American college (ie. university) sports teams (eg. Category:Duke Blue Devils soccer players) Mayumashu (talk) 22:26, 10 August 2008 (UTC).[reply]
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Category:Nuclear Rabbit albums

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The result of the discussion was: delete; only article was deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It only has one article in it. I think it is therefore redundant. Hiding T 21:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Beach Records albums

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The result of the discussion was: delete; only article was deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It only has one article in it, and we have no article on Beach Records. I think it is therefore redundant. Hiding T 21:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arabic Music

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The result of the discussion was: delete. All the articles are already in subcategories of the target. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest merging Category:Arabic Music to Category:Arab music
Nominator's rationale: Merge, Duplicate category. Ian Cairns (talk) 21:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Districts of Helsinki

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The result of the discussion was: close per CharlotteWebb. Nothing for CFD to do. Kbdank71 14:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Split into Category:Districts of Helsinki and Category:Neighbourhoods of Helsinki. As per the article Subdivisions of Helsinki, "district" is a larger entity consisting of several "neighbourhoods". In Finnish, a "district" is "peruspiiri" and a "neighbourhood" is "kaupunginosa". All this time I have been thinking a "district" meant "kaupunginosa" but apparently the official terminology is different. This is a massive undertaking as it needs reviewing, and potential rewriting, of every article in the category. The article Subdivisions of Helsinki should be consulted as an official guideline. JIP | Talk 18:26, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Freemasonry categories

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 14:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Per yesterday's Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 August 9#Category:Spanish freemasonry (note: moved from speedy as there does not seem to be an established convention for freemasonry by place). — CharlotteWebb 17:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Univerity of Pisa

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The result of the discussion was: speedy re-cat/delete. — CharlotteWebb 14:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest merging Category:Univerity of Pisa to Category:University of Pisa
Nominator's rationale: This should be a speedy, but I didn't find an appropriate template for merging. Admiral Norton (talk) 14:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople from Singapore

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 14:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sportspeople from Singapore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:People from Singapore by occupation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  • Actually, issues of this sort are resolved right here at CFD every day, Jacklee -- there's nothing particularly unusual about this one. It's pretty amazing what goes on here in the basement! Cgingold (talk) 21:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, right. Has this matter been discussed and resolved before, then? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 06:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roads in Hamburg

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Unfortunately the category has been emptied, which will require some repopulation efforts. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Roads in Hamburg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Hi, I think the correct category is Category:Streets in Hamburg, I have been bold and moved the roads into the category street. Thank you. Sebastian scha. (talk) 13:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs written by Leslie Satcher

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. A repeated CfD this soon after the last one might usually warrant a procedural keep, but in this case it's understandable how the nominator could have been confused by the CfD for Category:Songs written by Anthony Smith or thought that consensus had somehow changed about these types of categories in general. But in this case, there's no consensus to delete and the Anthony Smith CfD may indeed be seen in the future as an out-of-the-ordinary "outlier" result. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Songs written by Leslie Satcher (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Last time I CFD'ed this, it got kept on the basis that it's part of a grander scheme; it was compared to the "Songs by artist" and "Albums by artist" categories which often have singular entries. However, I should point out that Category:Songs written by Anthony Smith was deleted even though it had two entries, so I see no point in this category sticking around either. I think that songwriters have to work harder (usually) to gain recognition. Furthermore, some acts are only part-time songwriters (for instance, Keith Stegall occasionally writes songs, and at least two of his songs have pages, but I don't see a need for a cateegory, as he's more known as a producer than songwriter). Therefore, I feel that one-shot songwriter categories like this are overly narrow in scope and should be deleted. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 12:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Footballers from Singapore

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 14:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Footballers from Singapore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Please check out more carefully how new categories will fit into existing structures. Cheers Johnbod (talk) 18:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Timor-Leste

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 14:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Timor-Leste to Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in East Timor
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The English WP uses "East Timor" over the alternate name, "Timor-Leste", almost invariably. Timor-Leste redirects to the main article East Timor, and the main parent category is Category:East Timor. (The only exception to this that I can find is Template:Country data Timor-Leste.) Notified creator with ((subst:cfd-notify)) Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Inter-Earths

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The result of the discussion was: delete per consensus here and at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inter-Earth. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Inter-Earths (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This type of planet doesn't exist, it's been made up. The related articles are up for deletion at AfD. 70.55.85.40 (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Inter-Jupiters

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The result of the discussion was: delete per consensus here and at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inter-Jupiter. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Inter-Jupiters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This type of planet doesn't exist, it's been made up. The related articles are up for deletion at AfD. 70.55.85.40 (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Interplanets

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The result of the discussion was: delete per consensus here and at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Interplanet. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Interplanets (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This type of planet doesn't exist, it's been made up. The related articles are up for deletion at AfD. 70.55.85.40 (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People by country by status

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 14:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:People by country by status to Category:People by nationality and status
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Using "people by country" instead of "people by nationality" was recently discussed, but there was no consensus for making the change at this point. The subcategories are people by nationality categories. Using "by foo by goo" is a bit confusing, and most categories simply use "by foo and goo", where "foo" is the first attribute in the subcategories (nationality) and "goo" is the second (by status). See, e.g., Category:People by nationality and religion, Category:People by nationality and occupation, etc. Notified creator with ((subst:cfd-notify)) Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)))[reply]
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Category:Prime Ministers of RSFSR

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Prime Ministers of RSFSR to Category:Prime Ministers of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
Nominator's rationale: Full name, per main. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jewish Singaporeans

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Kbdank71 14:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming/merging Category:Jewish Singaporeans to Category:Singaporean Jews
Nominator's rationale: Rename/merge. Per standard conventions of Category:Jews by country. The creator inexplicably emptied the target category and replaced it with the new category, essentially performing a manual rename. Notified creator with ((subst:cfd-notify)) Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Canals of London

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Canals of London to Category:Canals in London
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Consistency with other members of Category:Canals in England. Tim! (talk) 08:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musical groups from Birmingham, England

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Musical groups from Birmingham, England to Category:Birmingham, England musical groups
and Category:Musical groups from Manchester to Category:Manchester musical groups
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The general naming convention appears to be Foo musical groups. As for Manchester, the whole tree for Manchester is not disambiguated please let's not rehash the tired old arguments to include disambiguation. Tim! (talk) 08:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – I see that in Category:British musical groups the formulation 'Category:Musical groups from Foo' is used consistently apart from Leicester. Please renominate Leicester (as you did yesterday). I can see that in the US category it is mainly 'Foo musical groups'; I assume 'Birmingham, Alabama musical groups' sounds fine and easy to parse to a US ear, and have no wish to interfere. Occuli (talk) 03:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I assume 'Birmingham, Alabama musical groups' sounds fine and easy to parse to a US ear ← actually, it doesn't. But I'm afraid turning the tides the other way, in favor of "Musical groups from Foo", would require nothing less (or more) than a potential genre vs. city naming collision. Please help me find one . — CharlotteWebb 03:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nonethless you are not nominating the other British sub-cats, so you are proposing inconsistency. Many categories use different forms between UK & US, per WP:ENGVAR. Personally I would oppose a group rename of the UK ones & support a global rename to "Musicians from Foo", unless Americans etc object on language grounds. "Category:Birmingham, England musical groups" in particular shows the problems caused by putting a disamed name first. Johnbod (talk) 16:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • To which other British groups are you refering? I cannot find any others.Tim! (talk) 17:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also ENGVAR does not mention categories. I feel that the only variation should be spelling eg. organisations/organizations not in form between countries. Tim! (talk) 17:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is plenty of precedent here (alumni cats for one) for trans-Atlantic inconsistency in cat names being upheld. ENGVAR does not exclude categories, which in my book means they are covered. The Brighton & Bristol "music from" categories (sub-cats of groups) are the ones you are not nominating - only Leicester follows your desired pattern. Johnbod (talk) 17:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bristol and Brighton are actually Category:Music from Bristol, England and Category:Music from Brighton, England, not Category:Musical groups from Bristol, England or Category:Musical groups from Brighton, England and are currently miscategorised. Tim! (talk) 17:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good point. I also note that the global parent Category:Music by city uses variants of "Music from/of/in foo" with a couple of US dissidents. Johnbod (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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