The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zembly[edit]

The creator and major editor of the article has a WP:COI with the product, being the products creator. The product is in beta, and no sources have been offered to indicate it is notable. Ronz (talk) 15:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ronz: As someone involved with zembly, I recognize that there is the potential for a COI. However, with this in mind and to allay any concerns, I have written the base article based solely on factual information and from (I believe) a NPOV, and have added external references from noted media sources. I also want to point out that I am not trying to shill and have edited the article clearly as myself in good faith. My intent is to standardize the factual information about zembly from the beginning using what I know of the project, much like you can see in the Popfly article. I hope that the content of the article can stand on its own, and if there are further suggestions for improving NPOV or allaying any concerns, please let me know.Toddfast (talk) 03:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sun just published a press release yesterday. It is something new, and thus this explains why it is "not notable". Raysonho (talk) 04:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wizardman 18:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's been around a little longer than that. It was launched in June, was showcased at OSCON, and was covered in a couple other places, like SitePoint. I undid quite a bit of Toddfast's canvassing of Zembly links to various articles, so I understand the part about conflict of interest, but that shouldn't color an assessment of the subject itself. I can say from experience dealing with other new articles that in terms of neutral point of view, this isn't a bad start. It could use some in-text citations, but I think that can be accomplished with a little work. Dancter (talk) 18:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - COI is not a reason for deletion, and neither is lack of indication of sources that prove notability. A quick search yields some relatively reliable sources: an article on the Inquirer, another on System News, and another on an IT management site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuel Tan (talk • contribs) 18:40, 8 August 2008

Does anyone think these are anything more than just press releases with a few edits? --Ronz (talk) 16:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While not direct copies of the press releases, yes, the sources Samuel Tan point are essentially rehashing the same information. That does not mean that independent commentary does not exist for the subject. If SitePoint piece I mentioned above doesn't work for you, O'Reilly Radar is a well-respected site. Dancter (talk) 22:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the sources offered by Samuel Tan. As he says, lack of indication of notability is not a deletion criteria except in the case of speedy deletion (which this doesn't qualify for as non-web-content software). Olaf Davis | Talk 00:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.