The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and salt. This AfD is a mess, only one person objects to deleting the articles, and he seems to be more interested in shouting admin abuse than sensibly arguing to keep. -- Steel 00:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WebAPP[edit]



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Contested speedy (after, I believe, three previous speedies) and guaranteed to be a contested PROD, so direct to AfD. Apparently non-notable freeware. Commonness of name makes it difficult to Google, but the related official site garners 111 Ghits, none immediately apparently from reliable sources. Appears to be strong content pushing from those associated with the product. I'm far from expert in the field, and so leave it to fellow editors to determine the product's notability or lack thereof. Robertissimo 21:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following comments have been moved from the top of this page and back again there; please note the common sense that when submitting an issue for discussion one needs to provide complete references to the issue before the discussion start. I am afraid that by insisting on hiding the true facts you show that you are not interested in having an unbiased discussion in an issue in which you admitted self not to know much about, you will not win this consensus you are after by playing techniqual edit/delete games (you= the sysop who started this process here). Monty53 16:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please note, the logs and links under refers to the last delete made on an article that was made fast and not to the original article that was there before (for two months) and approved by sysops. Monty53 02:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article is updated, kindly visit and advise on other required changes. Thank you Monty53 02:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thirdly concerning personal attacks: I do not buy this "heart breaking" story. To have a personal attack, a name of a person should be subitted on some framing information to who it may be, I never did so, but this person did it himself (above) he also suggested that he was attacked for being belonged to some sort of "anti-open-source conspiracy", very interesting too, I never wrote that either. All I did was quoting few words from his personal page, the explanation for these words was given by him above and NOT me.
Next, I never blanked anyones userpage, this is complete nonesense!
Monty53 23:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application contributors meant that since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/webapp is redirected to the article about Web_application there was a need to start a new article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAPP with a redirect link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAPP (please check discussion at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application for more information.
2.) An article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAPP was added as requested and a sysop made a redirect link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web-APP too.
3.) Some sysop added a request for instant delete which was changed by another sysop for a request for more contribution as well as editing. After a long discussion and editing the article was accepted and one removed the tags asking for those.
4.) The original article was surviving without any troubles whatever for over a month and was further edited and added text. Presumingly a user by the name "webapp" added some text he copied from the development site at www.web-app.net a text written by him which consisted on one sentence.
5.) A sysop suspected a copyright violation and deleted the entire article (!).
6.) I came into the picture and since I had no backup whatever of the original article, I decided to submit my own (new) article instead and remove these irrelevant tags about spam and requests for delete, since "we have allready been there and allready did that".
7.) One has decided to restart the discussion of having/deleting/editing the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAPP
8.) One has decided to add a vote for deleting of this article without even considering to edit out the original article or teh new article, an action that goes in contradiction to the original guidance of how and when one should add "delete vote".

My question: what is the point to have a new discussion and vote if we have allready been through this! If you guys decide yes/no and tomorrow one sysop will have a bad day (as it happened in this case) and will decide to delete the entire article because some small editable issue what does this discussion above worth? Can any sysop overrule earlier discussion and turn up side down the entire democratic process in Wikipedia? How many more times will we need to go through this deleting discussions? This makes no sense at all.Monty53 19:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phpbb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YaBB

meet the criteria for deletion. I don't think they should be candidate for this either. Are there more? Probably, but let's look at this with an open mind and understanding that people are a complicated creature and we must control our inherent emotions for the good of mankind. I'm sure that once a decision is made we can move forward and that's really what everyone wants to do. Now the question is, will the WedAPP article be given the same amount of leaniency as other articles or will the article be deleted which, in itself, make for an interesting article.Tedcambron(UTC)

I stand corrected. Neither article establishes notability. Neither has reliable third-party references. But back on-topic: I am withholding my keep vote pending reliable secondary sources that establish notability. The Kentucky Lake Times article sounds interesting, but the original apparently has gone missing and it is impossible to know what it may have said. The alert of a security problem doesn't do it for me either; Symantec doesn't rate the risk at a particularly high threat level. Has anyone else written about this software? I find the behavior of the defenders of this article, including the recent delete of the AfD notice, disappointing. If more energy continues to be put into contesting and disrupting the process, I will conclude no sources are forthcoming and add my support for deleting the article. ✤ JonHarder talk 15:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am afraid it is no reason for a party, this guy means business, he will delete YaBB!. Gentlmen I withdraw back my challenge, please do not delete them. YaBB can be improved so can WebAPP, phpBB is so bugged (the code) so it is a service to the public if you delete it, phpBB websites is defaced by dozens everyday. But again this is about the article content, and not the source code. But seriously if we are to discuss notability, please check the forumboards on WebAPP forum support there are over 10,000 well noted posts there by several thousands webmasters from several thousands websites who happened to use the WebAPP free, open source script, its still not the hundreds of thousands, who happen to use Wikipedia, but soon.. Monty53 03:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"If more energy continues to be put into contesting and disrupting the process, I will conclude no sources are forthcoming and add my support for deleting the article" If I read this at face value it states that a decison will be based on a condition that has little to nothing to do with the subject. I don't know how wikipedia works but for a decision to not be contested would be indigent of a dictatorship. Not that there's anything wrong with that type of political system. It's just not widely accepted. To state that anything I may have said as disruptive is debateable. I've only tried to help out a worthy cause. If helping the decision making out by contesting a decision is not acceptable here, then I stand corrected and I appologize for any inconvinience but too conclude "no sources are forthcomming" because of it, is deplorable. It's a completely different subject and should not be deluted to make a point. Let's also take a look at how the article has continued to grow not knowing if it will ever be accepted. That should speak volumes. Most people would have given up. Living in uncertainty is not anything I wish on anybody. Gentlemen, please do unto other as you would have done unto you.Tedcambron

You have a (very slight) point there; I was removing the message from the article (we do not post messages in this way, but use the discussion pages and project pages like this one instead) without realising I was also taking out a couple of external links. THere are really too many external links already but I've put them back anyway. Best wishes --Guinnog 22:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have "point", is this why you blocked my ip there now? This is a clear vandalism, you removed the link to Wikipedia article where it was suggested at the first place to make this article. It is a very important link. And you removed it without even discussing it with the article editors, shame on you. You are abusing your power as a sysop. You also removed an important message at the top of the article with important information. This are very cheap tricks to win arguments in. Monty53 22:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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