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The result was Delete, and possibly mention at Anderson High School (Hamilton County, Ohio). —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-22 13:40Z

Southern Ohio Patriots[edit]

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Non-notable minor league (American) football team. Their league, the United States Football Alliance, does not have a Wikipedia article. They return only 19 unique Google hits. They were only founded in 2006 and play their games at a high school. I see nothing in this article that supports this team having any sort of notability. The article was speedied before, but the article was evidently blank at the time, so that is probably not relevant to this discussion. Elmer Clark 01:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • That's not the logo on their website, but their website does include small copies of the NE Patriots "flag" bit (without the lettering) as decoration. I searched for any indication that they have some claim to being a farm team, but without luck. The NFL hasn't had a farm system for years. --Dhartung | Talk 07:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Delete! Why?! Why are you trying to delete the page on the Southern Ohio Patriots?! The article is not nonsense as you may believe. I can show you so many pages like that page that it is not even funny! Some pages like Southern Ohio Patriots have ten times less information and have never been considered for deletion. The list:

This list is only of football teams like the Southern Ohio Patriots!!!!!--Sportman2 20:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that no reliable sources exist to verify that the article contains true information. We need a reliable third party source in order to confirm that the information in the article is accurate (and that any future information that might be added later is accurate as well). Since no such reliable sources exist, this article does not pass the requirements set forward in WP:V. Even if it the article was verifiable, there are many who believe that articles on Wikipedia should meet a certain threshold of notability. If you believe Wikipedia should have articles about football teams in America, where do you stop? Are adult amateur teams notable? intramural college teams? How about Pop Warner?? Even though Wikipedia is not paper, it does rely on a an all volunteer group of editors, and they would be quickly overwhelmed by tens of thousands of articles that would need to be evaluated against the basic Wikipedia criteria. The system would quickly break down, and would turn into another clone of Myspace, without the ugly backgrounds and annoying music. Notability is determined by consensus, which is why I feel like a discussion should be started. I personally believe that only current and defunct teams in the top professional league of any given variant (turf, arena, Canadian rules) are notable, including officially associated farm leagues like NFL Europe. I can't think of any reason to include any other semi-pro or amateur team. You may disagree, and thats a discussion that should be had, either at the American Football Wikiproject or other suitable venue. But even so, that discussion will have no bearing on this debate - if the article can't pass WP:V, it wouldn't measure up to any other criteria, present or future. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 20:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sportman2, see It doesn't do any harm and It should be about everything. --Dhartung | Talk 22:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those are all liable sources. You (CosmicPenguin) state that you think only major league or affiliated minor league should be noted here. There are many non-affiliated leagues and teams listed here at Wikipedia. Just take the Frontier League for example. If you think only well-known teams should be listed here then take Wild West C.O.W.-Boys of Moo Mesa. That is a TV show I didn't hear about until today. Sure it could be big among people who like that kind of stuff but I don't like that kind of show. So I wouldn't be the one watching it. Maybe you wouldn't watch the Southern Ohio Patriots but that doesn’t mean their unpopular.--Sportman2 22:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never said that they were unpopular - and even if they were, Notability is not popularity. I also didn't say that only well-known teams are suitable for Wikipedia, I said I thought that only full-time professional teams qualified. That the NFL and AFL are also quite popular isn't part of that equation. Regardless, as I stated before, the threshold for your article is simply WP:V. And as per WP:V - the team website and the fan site are not reliable, since they are self published (and the fan site seems to be more about the USFA then the Southern Ohio Patriots). The League official website is the strongest of the three - I would be inclined to use it, especially if there existed other reliable sources to bolster it. -CosmicPenguin (Talk) 00:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He's saying that the community should decide what "level" a football team has to play at to be considered notable. It's just a general comment regarding that list you posted, not specific to this discussion. -Elmer Clark 21:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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