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The result was Keep and tag refimprove. JERRY ^talk _contribs 02:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sholf[edit]

Sholf (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Non-notable game; article created in order to promote a company's product (see talk page). Article's creator Phauber (talk · contribs) shares a name with the company's contact person (Paul Hauber). While not written as an advertisement, the article is only here to promote the product. Precious Roy (talk) 15:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. I could only find one reference to Sholf other than online shops, and that was from the Hudson Reporter[1], which is fairly local to where the game was invented. It needs more coverage before it can justify an encyclopedia article.--Michig (talk) 18:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Precious Roy wrote: Article's creator "Phauber" shares a name with the company's contact person
I'm not trying to hide that. I disclosed that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sholf
Michig wrote: It needs more coverage before it can justify an encyclopedia article
How about an entire 1/2 hour television show[2] devoted to Sholf and the good it is doing to the community? It isn't 20/20 but still :-).

Either way... Ya'll know what's best so I'll understand. I respect your work and will try again in the future.
Best, Phauber (talk) 19:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The TV show may help, but verifiable details of the channel that it was on and when it was broadcast would help. Some coverage outside of NJ would help too. If the coverage is out there, I would be happy to support keeping the article.--Michig (talk) 19:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response. The TV Show is called "Spotlight NJ." It is a show on the NJ version of News_12_Networks. The show is hosted by Della Crews[3]. This can be verified by seeing the News 12 logo after the first 6 seconds of the video[4] (and that is probably all you'll want to watch, for it is a borefest if I do say so myself). Verifiable details of when it was broadcasted can be found doing a browser search of "sholf" on this page[5] (Dates: July 14 & 15, 2007). Don't have coverage outside of NJ just yet, but should soon... so like I said... I'll try again for a wiki page in the future if this isn't sufficient. Regards, Phauber (talk) 21:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep. Notability in this case sucks as a criteria for inclusion. It has had some third-party coverage (enough? - I don't know). I'm for giving it a chance and tagging it with ((refimprove)). The sources you found need to be added to the article by the way (otherwise, it's a delete). Enviroboy^Talk_Cs 03:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response from the game's and article's creator: I'm for giving it a chance too :-). I added my (limited) third party references to the article (i hope my formatting is correct. I've tried hard to follow the standards). Are they enough? I'll let ya'll decide. I use and love wikipedia much so I wouldn't want to an article not meeting the criteria to be here. So do the right thing. Please provide more feedback. Thanks - Phauber (talk) 06:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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