The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No prejudice against the creation of a general article on flying at night — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Night flight in the UK[edit]

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Article has been unreferenced since its creation six years ago, a non-notable subject, fails WP:GNG. Talk page consensus was to allow PROD to run to deletion, but PROD tag was removed. - Ahunt (talk) 22:55, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:12, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the Prod. Surely this is mergable somewhere, to one of the other pages of flight rules. DGG ( talk ) 23:14, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Well if any of it were referenced and you could indicate a suitable place to merge it to I might agree, but I could neither find a ref nor a merge target. The page on Night flying is a redirect to Red-eye flight, which is way off this topic. You can note that the original article creator indicted on the article talk page that it should now be deleted, too. - Ahunt (talk) 23:23, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge - Does not seem to be notable. Maybe merge some text to a more general article on the subject (VFR or Instrument rating articles for example). -Fnlayson (talk) 23:16, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - inherently notable topic and capable of great expansion. For example only just recently there has been considerable media coverage about the increase of night flights at Heathrow [1] and [2], [3]. This is another good more historic cite: [4].Rangoon11 (talk) 00:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- That's good, but the article seems to mainly cover pilot qualification/certification for flying at night now. Changing or expanding the article's scope/focus works. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:48, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment - That is a completely different topic from this and the article for that already exists at Night flying restrictions. - Ahunt (talk) 16:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - I wasn't aware of the existence of that article. In view of this I am happy to change my vote to merge.Rangoon11 (talk) 18:49, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - Merge to where? This article is about pilot licencing, whereas Night flying restrictions is about airport restrictions on airliner noise at night. - Ahunt (talk) 18:53, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        A number of sensible suggestions have been made as to where to merge. I've got no strong feelings on the destination.Rangoon11 (talk) 19:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Certainly not good as it is. It has kicked up the fact though that WP does not appear to have a generic article on night flying, as Ahunt notes. Anything useful from this article could be merged into a bigger article with a worldwide scope to include the history of night flying (who was first to fly at night?) and the techniques used in night flying (celestial navigation, eating carrots to improve night vision before setting off etc!). Could be quite a big job but I would be happy to start a sandbox article. Just need to agree on a title, possibly night flying that is already used as a redirect. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 09:39, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - That would make good sense to create an article out of that redirect, but I am not sure this article or its unsourced content would help much in that job. - Ahunt (talk) 16:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete doesnt appear to be particularly encyclopedic as it is very specific and unlikely to be a notable encyclopedic topic. Visual flight rules means you need to see but not in the dark! MilborneOne (talk) 18:55, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Unacceptable granularity, but information is encyclopedic (although needs rewriting so as not to appear to be a how-to). Should be merged into General Aviation in the UK (which exists) or Private pilot certificate (UK) (which doesn't). ^Bongo_matic 16:21, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:47, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What about Merge to something like Night flight (aviation)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coin945 (talk • contribs)
- How can you merge this into an article that doesn't exist? - Ahunt (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - ..... are you serious?? We create a new article, then merge this content plus other relevant content into it. Seems simple enough.....--Coin945 (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Or to put it another way, rename to Night flight (aviation) and then add all relevant info from other articles/sources relating to night flights in other countries or other related concepts (such as Night flying restrictions) into it. - takes a rather long time to say that though. might've made a few shortcuts. is that such a crime? :)--Coin945 (talk) 14:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - No, it is just that here on Wikipedia when someone suggests merging an article into another one the other article normally exists. Really what you are suggesting is to rename this article and then expand it, not merge it. - Ahunt (talk) 15:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As it fails WP: GNG as there are no sources at all, even though the author has had a substantial amount of time to add sources. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.