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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 17:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some Records[edit]

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fails WP:NCORP. Not enough third party coverage that is intellectually independent to surpass CORPDEPTH standards. Graywalls (talk) 18:25, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete on searching {"Some Records Walter Schreifels" -wikipedia} I find a few minor mentions, but not finding anything to meet WP:GNG nor are there any claims in the article of notability. Jeepday (talk) 16:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Thanks everyone for participating and assuming good faith. Missvain (talk) 19:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shine Francis Odigie[edit]

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After noticing it had been flagged for notability concerns, I performed a before search which shows subject of the article is a non notable actor and musician who fails to satisfy any criterion from WP:NACTOR as she hasn’t taken up lead roles in the movies she has featured in or won any notable awards as the award they have claim to have won is very much non notable. Furthermore they certainly do not satisfy any criterion from WP:MUSICBIO. In summary, they lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them thus a major GNG fail. Celestina007 (talk) 23:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: per nom, fails WP:NACTOR CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:22, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep:per WP:NACTOR, Shine played lead in popular Nollywood film in Nigeria(Ododo)

^[1], i suggest writing it better like an essay, with this Newspaper link, i found about the actress NOTICE501 (talk) 13:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - @NOTICE501, you have been warned severally to cease from UPE or COI editing, but apparently you didn’t listen seeing as you have yet created this UPE article. Furthermore your knowledge on WP:NACTOR is horribly flawed, actors are notable if they have taken lead roles in multiple films, you are free to read that up on your spare time. The subject of your article definitely hasn’t achieved that. Look, it’s either you quit covert UPE or you get blocked. It’s your choice really. Celestina007 (talk) 00:36, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - @Celestina007, it seems like a blocking menance from your comment. With due respect, i usually appreciate positive or negative reviews from co-editors , but the idea of you accusing me always of UPE or COI article has became a sort of hobby, without any testimony or an evidence.If for Wikipedia rules, the article can't stand, quite undertood if you say so. I wrote the article and never asked money from anyone, my reasons for writing was the trend on news about the actress.(https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=shine+francis+odigie) We have other Nigerian editors on Wikipedia that also saw the trend. Please stop giving me nick names.

The actress Shine has been trending all over social media than usual, i decided to write from sources i saw online, just like blessed memory Ada Jesus which happened same time. She is highly talked about both on YouTube and AIT Telvision. I haven't been her fan, friend or parent. notice501 (talk) 19:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - does not meet WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Just one lead role and lack of substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject, indicates that a standalone article is not appropriate. --Ashleyyoursmile! 16:03, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to George Floyd Square. Clear consensus. (non-admin closure) EpicPupper (talk) 03:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cup Foods[edit]

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Non-notable as a store, the only coverage is from the chain of events that led to the murder of George Floyd. These events are well covered in Murder of George Floyd, George Floyd Square, George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul and other related articles. This part of this article (the bulk of it) is simply a duplication of content elsewhere John B123 (talk) 22:56, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep or merge - Keep, or merge to George Floyd Square where the content existed previously. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to George Floyd Square, where all the pertinent information is already. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:06, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as it has achieved notability and it has been the subject of in-depth coverage by reliable sources. Minnemeeples (talk) 01:58, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to George Floyd Square per Onel5969.--🌀Kieran207-talk🌀 02:06, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to George Floyd Square.TH1980 (talk) 02:37, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to George Floyd Square. Mccapra (talk) 04:55, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to George Floyd Square, per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. ——Serial 10:34, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to George Floyd Square, per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. RockOften (talk) 12:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No notability other then the murder outside, and that crime's connection to the store is handled elsewhere. The store's history is not important, and the "illicit" activities in the area are not relevant. Kablammo (talk) 12:33, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to 38th and Chicago, which is the geographic location for this store. Having said that, I'm not so sure that 38th and Chicago is independently notable from George Floyd Square. Edge3 (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to George Floyd Square per above; it doesn't need to be merged as the content covered here has already been restored. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 15:43, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to George Floyd Square, the store itself is not notable. Alex-h (talk) 11:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect or merge The store relation to George Floyd murder doesn’t make it notable. Most of the sources only mention the store in relation to the tragic event. Also, it is not a landmark or historical place yet. --Bormenthalchik82 (talk) 22:18, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) EpicPupper 21:30, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regis Pitbull[edit]

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Does not look notable per WP:NBIO. EpicPupper 21:46, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Easily passes WP:GNG. A short search turned up number of articles about the subject, including [1][2][3] Alvaldi (talk) 10:02, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, passes NFOOTY from play in Japan and Turkey [4]. Mvqr (talk) 10:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as passes NFOOTBALL (his soccerway template added to page) JW 1961 ^Talk 14:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above, easily passes NFOOTY. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:17, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• keep: passes NFOOTY as he made 2 appearences in Süper Lig .[5] Poppified ^talk 16:13, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - the coverage of his issues with drugs and subsequent rehab are enough to pass WP:GNG and he has numerous WP:NFOOTBALL appearances on top of that Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:34, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - the article should be moved to Régis Pitbull in my view, as this is how he is known in almost all sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:35, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This guy easily passes GNG and NFooty in my opinion, did the nominator even looking at the Portuguese wiki? [6], Clearly more about him there which could be transcribed over if someone is able to do that. Govvy (talk) 21:11, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as above, clearly notable. GiantSnowman 11:40, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep handily asses NFOOTY and GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:41, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn to re-scope article per suggestion. (non-admin closure) Mottezen (talk) 02:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mexican Indian Wars[edit]

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This article is a mish-mash list of conflicts between indigenous peoples and colonial or settler states from Hernan Cortez to the present day Chiapas conflict, though it marks the end date of the "Mexican Indian Wars" in 1933. The links tying all these conflicts together are very weak. These wars all implicate different actors and circumstances. No sources I saw made the connections between these conflicts the way this article does. Overall, there is very few mentions of this concept in the literature: 2 hits on google scholar, and 6 on Google books. "Indian Mexican Wars" has just as little hits.

Only one book in the hits I got was not simply making a mention in passing of this subject. This book only deals with the period of 1812 to 1900, and makes comparisons with Indian wars in Canada and the United States. The author uses the term "Mexican Indian Wars" just once in the whole book. He titled a relevant chapter "Indian Wars in Mexico" instead. The comparative nature of this books likely why the author even used the term "indian wars" at all; the term is absent in every other works of Mexican history.

Of the sources in the article, only one of them uses the term at all, and it doesn't strike me as a RS. And even then, the author, "History guy", only uses the term to describe three wars in the early 20th century.

The article was written by a now-blocked user mostly interested in American history. The Spanish article of this topic was written last year, and describes the term as a "anglophone concept", "'mostly used in Canada and the United States", and "not used in Spanish". I feel this is a case of circular reporting on Wikipedia. Tales of a totally made up conflict that lasted 414 years are being shared on instagram. Time to delete this aberration. Mottezen (talk) 21:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment what the nominator says about the topic is true if you search for this title. However I am less sure that the topic itself isn’t notable. The article is essentially a list and what are described here as Mexican Indian Wars are described in Spanish as “Rebeliones indígenas en México” and there is plenty of literature about that. Perhaps moving to a title that reflects this term such as “List of Indigenous Rebellions in Mexico” would work? Mccapra (talk) 05:16, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I like this idea a lot. If we were do to that though we'd need to remove all the wars of Spanish/Mexican agression from the list, and keep strictly the rebellions against colonialism. I'd also like to remove the grossly misleading and convoluted infobox. Mottezen (talk) 05:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the info box is nonsense. Mccapra (talk) 08:39, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Colorado Mesa University. (non-admin closure) Ashleyyoursmile! 05:33, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Colorado Mesa University Student Trustee[edit]

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Highly unnecessary WP:CONTENTFORK. A random student government position does not need a separate article. Relevant information, if any, can be merged to Colorado Mesa University as needed. KidAd • SPEAK 20:44, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Colorado Mesa University. I’m not sure there’s any content in this article that needs to be merged. Mccapra (talk) 05:02, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect Same as above. Star7924 (talk) 15:26, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Ivri Lider as an WP:ATD. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 03:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Live CD (album)[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NALBUM notability which require coverage in independent reliable secondary sources. Rusf10 (talk) 20:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete or Merge with Ivri Lider. Non-notable album. Lesliechin1 (talk) 03:32, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Ivri Lider- fails WP:NALBUMS and WP:GNG. The recording lacks significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources. Given that the album has not on national music charts, or received any certifications or major accolades, a standalone article is not appropriate. --Ashleyyoursmile! 05:33, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus is GNG met 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 13:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Badin Hall (University of Notre Dame)[edit]

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Was AfD'd back in 2013, and nothing really has changed since then. While it is part of a historic district, it itself is not on the NRHP. Currently the vast majority of the article is primary sourced, and there is not enough in-depth coverage to pass GNG. Part of several articles which have all be recreated after AfD. I'll be sending them all to AfD, but did not feel bundling was appropriate, since all should be evaluated individually. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:25, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But all highly related AFDs should be linked. And it is generally a waste of time to run many similar AFDs at the same time...test the waters with one or two and drop your quest if you don't get agreement.

To AFD partipants and potential closers, please see, at least (and please notify all of us of any more):

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alumni Hall (University of Notre Dame) (2nd nomination)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Badin Hall (University of Notre Dame) (2nd nomination)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keenan Hall
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carroll Hall (University of Notre Dame)

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• Redirect to University of Notre Dame residence halls. There is no reason for a seperate article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep The residential college is in itself notable. The building, built in 1897, is over a hundred years old and hosted the Manual Labor School of Notre Dame founded in 1843. It was the first residential hall to host women on the campus of the University of Notre Dame. Throughout its long history it has hosted several notable people and events. It was also part of the United States Naval Reserve Midshipmen's School program during Worl War II. The building was listed in the National Register of Historic Places with reference number ID78000053 in 1978. Its long history is well sourced, as well as it role in the university's history. Eccekevin (talk) 17:33, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to University of Notre Dame residence halls: Article does not have SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. None of the above keep votes have been able to show this has SIGCOV or any reason based in guidelines why this should be a stand alone article. The building does not inherit notability from the area it is in or subjects it is associated with. The OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument above is invalid. The keep claims have to resort to OTHERSTUFF exists or inherited notability claims which shows clearly there is no SIGCOV or support in guidelines. This is one of 31 halls, by the above reasoning all these buildings would be notable, even though they do not have SIGCOV. If IS RS with SIGCOV can be found, the subject is best covered in the target.  // Timothy :: talk  09:15, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The page is full of sources, most of them independent from the Hall, that provide good SIGCOV. And the fact alone that is is on the National Register of Historic Places makes it notable, especially given the age of the building.^[2] Eccekevin (talk) 09:23, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to closer about canvasing: Unfortunately Eccekevin is canvasing for participation in this AfD. [7],[8].  // Timothy :: talk  10:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am not canvassing, I am reaching out to project members for help collecting sources in line with WP:APPNOTE. Eccekevin (talk) 10:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Eccekevin, that's called canvassing. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer This is incorrect, I never reached out for anyone's vote, in accordance with WP:APPNOTE and WP:CANVASS.Eccekevin (talk) 18:47, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, the same as with the other 3 dorms that were AfD'd, these dorms are part of the NRHP district that is historical in every sense of the word. There are other sources used, in addition to the NRHP, including the State of Indiana, the NPS, several Catholic publications, and various books, etc. This campus is one of the most visited sites in the state of Indiana, because of its various venues (football stadium included). I don't think that this article should be deleted. Funandtrvl (talk) 18:01, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Funandtrvl, can you point to the sources that provide direct and indepth coverage of the subject required by SIGCOV? It is obvious not everything in a historic district is notable, that this is a popular part of campus does not mean it is notable.  // Timothy :: talk  18:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Just some of them are the 1917 Irish Standard article written about its construction, history, and dedication^[1],1947 South Bend Tribune article profiling the hall for its 50th anniversary^[2], the 1954 South Bend Tribune article describing it and its history^[3], its architectural and historical decription in Recreation in the United States: National Historic Landmark Theme Study ^[4], and its history and description in Arthur Hope's book about the university ^[5], and not to mention the many many articles profiling it, its architecture, history, and traditions in depth from sources connected to Notre Dame (although many of them independent and with no connection to the Hall), including its extensive treatment in Thomas Blantz's The University of Notre Dame : a history (2020)^[6]. Also, it is listed as Historic Structure in the NRHP listing. Hence, it definitely meets WP:BUILD.Eccekevin (talk) 03:18, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to closer: The above editor was canvassed for there vote [9]. // Timothy :: talk  18:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to closer, I was not canvassed., according to WP:APPNOTE, I'm a concerned editor who is a member of the article's WikiProject, and has expertise in the subject. Funandtrvl (talk) 16:36, 17 March 2021 (UTC) --Also, I have taken note that in the one AfD where my opinion matched the person saying that I was canvassed (Keenan Hall), that he did not point out after my commentary that I was canvassed. But, in each article that I didn't agree with him, he did point that out. (Badin, Carroll and Alumni). Funandtrvl (talk) 16:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Everything listed as NRHP is notable per Wikipedia:Inherent_notability#Inherent_Wikipedia-style_notability. Eccekevin (talk) 18:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is in a historic district; not everything in a historic district is notable and that essay is a personal opinion, not a Wikipedia guideline.  // Timothy :: talk  18:50, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but Badin Hall is explicitly listed as a contributing property and has its own description and listing in the NRHP, hence it does aquire inherent notability. Eccekevin (talk) 18:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The essay you are citing is a personal opinion, one that contradicts actual guidelines. Citing an say to set aside something as fundamental as WP:N is not a valid argument. // Timothy :: talk  19:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As pointed out by another editor, WP:NBUILD is an acutal guideline, and Badin Hall falls under it since it is listed as historic structure by the NRHP. Eccekevin (talk) 21:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Very good and interesting article, same as 20 similar ones dealing with University of Notre Dame residence halls. It's not a "personal opinion", as mentioned above. Note: I was NOT canvassed. --Silverije 01:03, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Silverije, Looks like this is your first time at AfD [10], you picked an interesting time and place to start.  // Timothy :: talk  01:43, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

really? and how is this relevant to the afd? Coolabahapple (talk) 01:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment, WP:NBUILD, that is not an essay or personal opinion, states "Artificial geographical features that are officially assigned the status of cultural heritage or national heritage, or of any other protected status on a national level and for which verifiable information beyond simple statistics is available, are presumed to be notable.", so if it is listed, and with the references present in the article (not necessarily having to be WP:SIGCOV), it is wikinotable and this afd is a waste of time. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, and no one voting delete has yet given a reason for which NBUILD does not apply. Eccekevin (talk) 22:37, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep passes GNG as notable historic building w/ refs Djflem (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Well-sourced article on an historic building. I can't see any useful reason for deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:46, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep notable, historic building. Rjensen (talk) 23:57, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. And I did not see any canvassing, I just periodically visit Category:AfD debates (Places and transportation). --Doncram (talk) 04:41, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 00:57, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. passes GNG Rajuiu (talk) 00:09, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to University of Notre Dame residence halls. Not an especially notable crusty building KidAd • SPEAK 20:48, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep passes GNG as notable historic building and has a unique history in multiple roles. Rjensen (talk) 21:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)Strike duplicate !vote. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:20, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per the cogent reasoning of DGG at the DRV this misses GNG. --Randykitty (talk) 22:02, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The issue with that reasoning is that Badin Hall is explicitly listed as historic structure by the NHRP, it is not just geographically part of a district, as the example DGG made (of a house in a district, but not explicitly mentioned by the NRHP). Hence, there is a substantial difference and in this case and WP:NBUILD applies, since this structure has "protected status on a national level and for which verifiable information beyond simple statistics is available, are presumed to be notable." I have not seen any reasoning by which NBUILD does not apply here.

In addition, the reasoning that local news sources like the South Bend Tribune (which has two features profiles of Badin hall ^[1][2]) should be discounted is not found in any Wikipedia policy, but is arbitrary. It is independent, reliable, and the fact that is is based in a town close to where Badin Hall is doesn't take away from neither of those things. Eccekevin (talk) 22:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep While I do not feel that every place within a NRHP historic district, I'm satisfied that in this case there are enough sources for GNG. MB 22:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect, to University of Notre Dame residence halls Alex-h (talk) 11:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Meet general notability guidelines and is a historic building in a historic district. Star7924 (talk) 14:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:13, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Corey Hill (cricketer)[edit]

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Non-notable cricketer, fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 20:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails NCRIC and an internet search brings up no results. There may be some coverage in Wisden or in local press but I'm not sure given his record. No suitable list to redirect to exists. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:19, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No matches at FC/LA level. His football doesn't appear to amount to anything more than a hobby, he didn't play for Bermuda or anything. StickyWicket (talk) 13:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Completely non-notable. Fan cruft to the extreme. Fails WP:NCRIC. scope_creep^Talk 21:49, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Doesn't meet notability criteria. Fails GNG. TheDreamBoat (talk) 03:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, Per above, fails WP:GNG. Alex-h (talk) 11:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 17:43, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Danish Kaneria[edit]

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Failed to find any sources where his fifers are discussed as a set or group, so fails WP:NLIST, WP:RAWDATA. Also, note that User talk:Vibhijain who created this list has been blocked for socking. Störm (talk) 16:01, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge to Danish Kaneria after removing all trivial/incidental details (list of batsmen dismissed, match results, economy, etc.). Per WP:SPLIT there are no issues preventing inclusion in the main article. Per nom, the article also fails WP:NLIST and does not stand on its own. As such this comprehensively fails criterion 3c of Wikipedia:Featured list criteria ("...meets all of the requirements for stand-alone lists; does not violate the content-forking guideline, does not largely duplicate material from another article, and could not reasonably be included as part of a related article."). _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 16:25, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep There have been a few instances where the subject took 5 wickets in a single match. It needs to be detailed in a separate page. Riddhidev BISWAS (talk) 12:02, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep there's a reason it's a featured list, which is because the article presents the information well in the lead. It's not just a list of random stats, it's a list with clear inclusion/exclusion criteria which is summarised in the text. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing is set in stone, we can't keep just because it is FL while it is clear this badly fails WP:NLIST. Fate should be same as was in previous discussions such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Terry Alderman, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Vernon Philander, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Rangana Herath, etc. Störm (talk) 20:26, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep. Featured material which failed inclusion guidelines wouldn't be featured material otherwise. Unless his name is Lewis. StickyWicket (talk) 16:53, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where are published sources, not generated queries from statsguru, that discusses the subject as a set or group? Please cite a single such source and I'll happily withdraw. Störm (talk) 20:30, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I understand that this is a featured list. The problem is that the sourcing is largely confined to individual match scorecards (not even reports), data lists that have had to be extracted from CricInfo's search function and the CricInfo profile of the player. Those aren't really suitable in my view - match reports might actually discuss that this is his Xth five-wicket haul, for example. Beyond this, is there anything that discusses the five-wicket hauls taken by him in one place? A bunch of non-featured lists with similar titles were deleted not so long ago - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Alec Bedser for example. I'm no longer certain of my decision there, but the list would have been deleted anyway. The level of sourcing on many of those articles would have been little different to this one: the leads won't probably be as good, but they could easily have mimicked the sourcing here with about half an hours work - it's only a summary of the stats using scorecards and the profile afterall. I can't see why those articles aren't notable if this one is - if it's just a case of improving the lead to make it longer and use the same scorecards then let me know and I'll make a start recreating some of them I guess and send them to FL.

If this were to be merged, can we please remove the lists of batters dismissed and the economy rate - there was a discussion about this at the cricket wiki project some time ago and the general consensus was that they were unnecessary (see here and here (with a bonus previous discussion here)) Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:50, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BST, a bundle of thanks for linking previous discussions here. Störm (talk) 18:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Per Joseph2302, being a featured list seems to suggest that the sourcing is good enough to pass guidelines. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Also get uneasy when G3 is possibly hinted at in the nom. Don't know if you're letting us know the article creator is blocked or if because they're blocked it should be a reason to delete, only this was hinted at by another user the other week (though that was a clear case of keep and their suggestion of G3 was done out of desperation to bulldoze consensus). If G3 is the hint, the problem is if, say I were to be blocked, would that mean John Manners (cricketer) would be deleted? Also having looked at this list, it isn't the best FA I've seen (and that's no disrespect to the user who nominated it who does great work on subcontinent cricket), but the lead is a little lacking so I'm changing my vote to merge to Danish Kaneria. And as BST alluded to, better FA lists have been deleted of late. StickyWicket (talk) 22:00, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete (or merge) Nowhere is "being a featured list" in our deletion policy. Sources 4-5 and 7-28 are primary sources reporting statistics. Of the other 4, 2 don't even mention him, 1 doesn't mention his 5 wicket hauls (in the section that is a secondary source), and the last one, the only secondary source to mention his 5 wicket hauls, devotes two sentences to it. The sole claim to notability for this list rests upon those two sentences. Needless to say, 2 sentences in an article is not enough to pass WP:NLIST regardless of its featured status. Zoozaz1 talk 22:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I'm thinking along the same lines of Blue Square Thing - are there any additional sources out there which support this being a stand-alone article? SportingFlyer T·C 22:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nominator. Other than references to matches covered by ESPNCricinfo, this article is just statscruft. Ajf773 (talk) 08:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge All such individual lists should be merged into one page, "List of international cricket five-wicket hauls". The significance of individual lists is not great enough for them to have separate pages. Santosh L (talk) 11:34, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Joseph2302. extra999 (talk) 15:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep as per Joseph2302. CreativeNorth (talk) 15:48, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Meets minimum 15 international cut-off agreed by WP:CRIC for lists of individual international five wicket hauls. The player has total 15 five for. — A.A Prinon  ^Conversation 14:06, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And Störm said to show any source that displays his five-wicket hauls in a group. I have found a source. This is as follows:

1. http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/players/PlayerNotables.asp?PlayerID=2252&s=1. Retrived from HowStat and its reliable. Besides, there are in ESPN Statsguru. I will also try to find more and inform later.A.A Prinon (talk) 14:12, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Such thresholds for lists were never formally agreed upon; even if they had been, WP:LOCALCONSENSUS does not overrule wider community consensus as laid down in policies and guidelines. Secondly, we require sources that cover the subject in depth, i.e. they must provide more than bare statistical listings. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 14:31, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's just another list of stats. It's almost one that we could provide a link to in the player's article rather than, err, have an article that essentially copies and pastes the list (and, of course, adds some more OR at the same time). Given the way this is headed, I'll start work on re-creating some of the deleted ones shall I? Cause if this is a FL quality article, any of those could be with half an hours work. Blue Square Thing (talk) 18:08, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Morris[edit]

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Non-notable cricketer, fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 20:02, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails NCRIC and a search doesn't bring up any significant coverage. There may possibly be coverage offline or in Wisden though. No suitable list to redirect to as none exist. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 21:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. One-day matches he played in did not hold List A status, fails CRIN. StickyWicket (talk) 21:54, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Doesn't meet notability criteria. Non notable player. Fails GNG. TheDreamBoat (talk) 03:54, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Juarez[edit]

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Non-notable cricketer, fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 20:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails NCRIC and a search brings up no real sources. There may be coverage offline or in Wisden but I think that's unlikely given his performance. No suitable list to redirect to either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:27, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails CRIN as has not played at FC/LA level. StickyWicket (talk) 14:03, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV. Sythetic profile ref. scope_creep^Talk 21:45, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Doesn't meet notability criteria. Non notable player. Fails GNG. TheDreamBoat (talk) 03:55, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad Zubair (Hong Kong cricketer)[edit]

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Non-notable cricketer, nothing in coverage, fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 19:46, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails NCRIC and an internet search brings up no real sources. There may be coverage in Wisden or locally as he was the leading wicket taker in the 1997 tournament. No suitable list exists for redirect. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No matches at FC/LA level, fails CRIN. StickyWicket (talk) 13:22, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:NCRIC. scope_creep^Talk 21:45, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Doesn't meet notability criteria. Non notable player. Fails GNG. TheDreamBoat (talk) 03:56, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete and redirect to Rawalpindi cricket team. Randykitty (talk) 17:44, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad Zubair (Pakistani cricketer)[edit]

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Non-notable cricketer, fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 19:44, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Rawalpindi cricket team 6 FC and 5 LA games but as usual for Pakistani domestic cricketers we're struggling for sources. Sources may well exist offline or in local language sources. Redirect a suitable WP:ATD for now unless someone can find anything else. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:23, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Possibly passed WP:NCRIC but doesn't pass WP:SIGCOV. There is no references? scope_creep^Talk 18:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Thanks everyone for participating and assuming good faith. Missvain (talk) 18:58, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fenchuganj Mohammadia Kamil Madrasha[edit]

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Non-notable education institution. Earlier PROD by Robert McClenon was removed by the creating editor without explanation, and previous attempt was rejected and now exists in drafts; hence this AfD. Unsourced, and a search finds nothing beyond the usual social media and directory listings. Fails WP:GNG / WP:ORG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:31, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - not enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show it meets WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:56, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Without references, this is unverifiable and does not meet general notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment to the author - You may remove a template that says that it may be removed, such as a Proposed Deletion tag. If a template says not to remove it, such as the Articles for Deletion tag, that means not to remove it. Also, removing an Articles for Deletion tag is not useful, because a bot will put it back. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Removing an AFD tag from an unsourced article is sometimes a sign of sloppy efforts to use Wikipedia to promote. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 18:42, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Fables characters (Thirteenth Floor Fables)[edit]

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Waste of time AfD due to someone who clearly cannot read. Duplicative content of List of Fables characters that is not a justified split. TTN (talk) 18:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Duplicative of List of Fables characters#Thirteenth Floor Fables, and no sources whatsoever on this subset of the characters that would justify a needed split into a separate article. As the content is not only unsourced, but exactly the same, merging is not needed, and as this is not a particularly plausible search term, a Redirect would not be helpful. Rorshacma (talk) 20:57, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• If it were down to me, I would just delete List of Fables characters as a pile of cruft. but that is just my opinion. I am not sure why the there is a slightly uncivil tone to the deletion rationale. The article was still prodded when I looked just now. It is deprodded because I don't think it should have been prodded. We are just having a difference of opinion. When I split the article 7 years ago and created this article then I did it properly and it was not a duplicate. That was done by someone botching a reverse of the split. Being a duplicate is not by itself a reason for deleting the article, it can be solved by editing. If we cannot do my preferred idea of getting rid of List of Fables characters entirely then I think the article should have the deleted sections removed and replaced with redirects to this article like I did in the first place. Op47 (talk) 14:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• You didn't remove the PROD. It was another user doing a pointless driveby of the majority of my active PRODs without actually addressing anything. That's entirely their right to do with how PRODs work, but it doesn't make it any less lazy and disruptive (especially considering how cut and dry this case is). As to the actual content, the splits are arbitrary (we do not continuously expand on plot content, we trim it), and nobody ever actually edited them in any capacity in comparison to the main article. There is really nothing to be solved other than their removal duplicative material. I plan on very minimum cutting down the main character list, if not simply nominating it for deletion, after these duplicate lists are removed. TTN (talk) 15:51, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• It looks like what you removed is the talk page PROD notice, which is simply a record of the PROD to allow for no future duplicate PRODs to be placed via Twinkle. TTN (talk) 15:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete- duplicates already existing content (badly), and the title is no use as a redirect. TTN is right that the deprod rationale missed the point entirely. Reyk _YO! 12:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• • Comment- further to that, this was one in a series of nine rapid-fire deprods within the space of about 12 minutes- all of TTN's PRODs. I argue that deprodding based on targeting a single editor and without taking the tiniest glance at the articles themselves is disruptive. Reyk _YO! 12:15, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: obvious redundant CFORK is obvious and redundant. SITH (talk) 01:26, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Delete. Not a notable grouping, fails NLIST/LISTN, whichever is relevan. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:28, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 14:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ANADIGICS[edit]

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Dead company. No independent sources but dead links to its websites an a couple of pres releases Lembit Staan (talk) 17:19, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Yup, acquired by II-VI Incorporated in 2016 [11]. No notability prior to that, and no hope of any notability thereafter. JBchrch (talk) 18:04, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Thanks everyone for participating and assuming good faith. Missvain (talk) 18:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Strachan[edit]

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Unsourced, and presumably autobiographical (based on the article's content, and the author's username). It would need rewriting from scratch, but I'm not seeing the sources to do it - I can find an actor of that name mentioned on IMDB as having played a small role in the 2020 film 'The Grudge' (not the film linked to from the article); I can't quite make the connection with 'Fear the Walking Dead', the character mentioned in the article seems to be played by somebody else, but maybe he plays an older version of that character or something? Anyway, based on the sources I can find, the subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. (Note - there is another actor of this name, from Winnipeg - most of the sources I came across were about that person, not the subject of this article) GirthSummit _(blether) 17:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• del nn minor actor, no coverage. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:21, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have to disagree on everything that is saying Ray Starchan Wikipedia page is very accurate everything on there is 100% true I don’t know why this page is going up for deletion when I provided every single link every single proof that this account this Wikipedia page is correct now if you would like for me to submit more information regarding this person in this Wikipedia page I can and I will so I don’t believe that this patient needs to be deleted at all if he can provide more information regarding this page and why it should be delete it please Inform me and I will gladly take it down but I am this person I have provided you guys would fall in accurate information like I said earlier I would like to provide you guys with the information regarding myself if it’s links on a contract I can also provide my management I can also provide my agency and my legal Representative thank you for your time and hopefully this page when I get taken down at all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyveon L. Ray (talk • contribs) 23:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I’m Going To Have To Disagree With The Take Down Of This Page I Searched This Person Up And Everything On This Account Is Right I Keep Up With This Actor I Watch Him On Tv And I Follow Him On Instagram Everything On This Page Is Right I Have Seen Him On Fear The Walking Dead Ever Since Season 5 Of The Show And He Has Played Duane Jones wry Good And If You Keel Up With The Show You Would Know That The Original Person That Play Duane Jones no Longer Play Him Anymore So I Would Keep This Page Up And Running. Sock GirthSummit _(blether) 17:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Delete: No indication of notability and almost unreadable to boot. - Sumanuil (talk) 04:55, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Clearly a WP:COI issue, among other serious problems–nothing is sourced, no indication of notability; information regarding Fear the Walking Dead is fake, I actually watch the series and that actor and character have never appeared; and the content in the "Early life" section is copied and pasted from Jude Demorest with just being slightly altered. The quote used in that section is directly lifted from this source with an interview with a different actor. Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:23, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. No significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent to indicate that the subject is notable. Page seems to be written by an account with potential COI. --Ashleyyoursmile! 14:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Potential COI and then some. The author of the article claims to be the subject of the article; the account and the IP commenting above are obviously the same person and have been blocked for sockpuppetry {relevant SPI), so I have struck through their comment. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify. The article has been moved to Draft:Closed for Storm by its creator. . ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:15, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closed for Storm[edit]

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Non notable future documentary, appears to fail WP:NFF as production wasn't notable. Should be deleted or moved to draftspace until it is released and notability can be established. Donaldd23 (talk) 16:50, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Draftify until release. Insufficient independent coverae. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:24, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:15, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dlala Lukid[edit]

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Non notable “Dj” who lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them, thus do not satisfy WP:GNG and also doesn’t seem to satisfy any criterion from WP:MUSICBIO or WP:ENT. Celestina007 (talk) 16:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• del no independent coverage; very small number of google hits. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• strong delete, easily WP:A7 -Xclusivzik (talk) 10:03, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - non-notable musician, the only Google hits point towards self-published and user-generated sites and does not turn up any reliable independent sources that substantially talk about the subject. --Ashleyyoursmile! 16:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 14:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jonah Trinnaman[edit]

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Fails WP:NGRIDIRON, having never played professionally. Fails WP:NCOLLATH with a non-notable college football career ([12]). Fails WP:GNG, as this is the only significant coverage I can find on the subject. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:05, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. Cbl62 (talk) 23:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom - Nothing in my searches, routine college football career. RolledOut34 // (talk) // (cont) 18:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Forgotten Tears[edit]

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Unsourced, appears to fail WP:MUSICBIO. I can't find any significant coverage of this band, or other clear indications of notability; they've released two albums on a relatively obscure label and opened for notable bands, but that's about it. The Italian wiki doesn't have an article on them. Lennart97 (talk) 16:05, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Nothing in the first five pages of a Google search except sales sources and web zines. AllMusic does not know anything about the band either. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. Notability is not established. COI also applies, as Dudewikihb only edited this page. It is also not clear whether they formed in 2005 or 2008. The infobox states the former, while the article itself states the latter. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 11:37, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Thanks everyone for participating and assuming good faith. Missvain (talk) 18:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Nepomuceno Flores[edit]

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The user who created this article turns out to be a pathological liar. Assuming Juan exists, is any of the history (conveniently sourced to paper books without URL) true? Is this person notable? Are we better off using WP:TNT rather than risk WP:CITOGENESIS?

Whpq tried to speedy this but was contested. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:32, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment He seems to be real- I found this [13] in google books. There appears to be another Juan N. Flores around the same time; not sure if this one is notable or not yet. Curdle (talk) 16:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I don't doubt that this is a real person. What I doubt is notability. At the time I nominated this for speedy deletion, the article just asserted that the subject participated in a couple of notable battles. Since then, there is an assertion that he "was instrumental in organizing and commanding Texian volunteers in support of the Texas Revolution" but that is not backed with any sources. Note that this phrasing looks to be copied word for word from Salvador Flores. There are no inline sources. The three given sources provide no page numbers. The first source is a muster roll. That may serve to verify that this person was in any given unit or battle but as a primary source, it does nothing to establish notability. The second is a book which is searchable at Google books. I cannot find this person mentioned in the book at all. The third reference is an eight volume collection of the writings of Sam Houston. Although it might usable to verify facts, it would not establish notability. A substantial potion can be viewed here. I searched the available text and could not find this person mentioned. I also found the entry in the same book mentioned by Curdle. However, the Daughters of the Republic of Texas are going to document everybody so that just establishes the person exists. I'll also note that the subject "was noted for heroic actions during the Siege of Béxar and during the Battle of San Jacinto" but does not provide any detail as to what these heroics are notr can I find any record of them. All of the claims for notability are unverified and all we have left in terms of verifiable information is that the subject was a soldier. -- Whpq (talk) 18:38, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I agree with the assessment put forth by Whpq. Even if verifiable, the assertions of notability are vague and do not appear to merit an article. All the article says is that he was born, served in the Texian army, and died (in a city that was named for more notable members of his family). That's not enough. --Kinu ^t/_c 19:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Global Public School[edit]

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A private school which fails NORG. No significant coverage and thus fails GNG also Poppified ^talk 15:15, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Nothing useful were found on my WP:Before. Fails to establish GNG. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 15:21, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:GNG Lacks indepth coverage. Frigidpolarbear (talk) 15:47, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: per nom, no significant coverage in multiple reliable sources to be found. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 15:08, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: coverage is weak and reliable sources not found. Fails GNG. TheDreamBoat (talk) 03:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Da Great (singer)[edit]

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:GNG; only copy and pasted press release coverage available. Very lazy copying and pasting as well. If you don't believe me, see how they all contain the line "He started music professionally at the age of 17 having drawn great support from his mother who he describes as his number one fan." somewhere in the article.

Once you remove this single press release, that has been copied and pasted across numerous Nigerian websites, there appears to be no coverage of him. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom, as another case of press release repetition. Vaticidalprophet 15:34, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, fails WP:GNG lacks indepth coverage. Frigidpolarbear (talk) 15:48, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - promotional article which fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: per nom, should be speedy per CSD G11, clearly promotional CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:01, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete — blatant promotional UPE article on a non notable singer. Celestina007 (talk) 15:49, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Doesn't meet notability criteria. Fails GNG. TheDreamBoat (talk) 04:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:36, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fuzzy (composer)[edit]

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Unreferenced biography of a living person which has been in CAT:NN's backlog for 12 years. He existed and had some success, but I couldn't find anything to establish he is notable. Boleyn (talk) 14:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: The Danish equivalent article seems to indicate notability - many film and tv music credits, a literature section which Google translates as

• Nicolas Barbano: Fuzzy and the Film Music, in Live Pictures No. 1, 1980
• Thomas Vilhelm: The visual ear - the history of film music (Systime, 2005)
• Brian Christensen, My Roskilde - 10 personalities tell, Roskilde 2011
• Fuzzy and Tore Leifer, Echoes, Fuzzy's memories of his life as a musician and composer. (Forlaget Klemmerdu, 2019)

It looks as if a fluent Danish speaker could substantially expand this article, and I've tagged it accordingly. The two External Links, his own website and Naxos record company's bio, offer scope for expansion. PamD 15:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep As per PamD has many film and TV music credits. Passes WP:GNG. Frigidpolarbear (talk) 16:02, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per the reliable sources book coverage that show WP:GNG is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 01:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 16:00, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thumbelina (soundtrack)[edit]

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Was originally nominated as part of a bundle nomination of equally non-significantly-covered animated soundtrack albums, but commenters ignorant about the coverage of the topics tried to convince me they were somehow individually notable. The commenters used lousy reasoning, or WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, in trying to suggest certain topics in that nomination had individual notability. One suggested a couple of albums were by notable artists, which didn't make them notable as Notability is not inherited. Another agued "some of these articles are getting 100+ views/day", which is an invalid WP:POPULARPAGE argument. Another agued "Deleting the articles in question would delete the not insignificant article histories and revisions that could serve as rough drafts for future versions of these pages if they hold up to notability standards at a later date", which is invalid as most of these soundtracks never do and even so, we are not a WP:CRYSTALBALL.

With all fairness, I could understand how one could argue the song's Razzie nomination would make this topic significant, as not only is that a major (albeit comedic) award it is also the only time in history before The Emoji Movie anything animated was even Razzie-nominated. However, that only gives the song itself significance, and even then there isn't anything to find for that. Other coverage is one Allmusic rev, a self-published fansite, and retail pages. That does not establish WP:SIGCOV 👨x🐱 (talk) 14:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Difficult one to search due to the name, but on newspapers.com I found sigcov in the Town Talk (31 March 1994, page 26), Pasadena Star-News (18 March 1994, page 70), and, just barely, the Los Angeles Times (17 April 1994, newspapers.com insists it's page 347 but I'm not sure that passes sanity-checking, and it appears to be split across several pages). This is in addition to the Razzie stuff (which comes up in places like here and here) and coverage of multiple songs at once (e.g. here), which as you note is easier to source on non-archival online sources. Vaticidalprophet 15:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't find the newspapers.com articles, but are you sure they're specifically about the soundtrack? EW.com only discusses one song for a paragraph, with only that Razzie-nominated song as a honorable mention. Also, is Rotoscopers.com a HQ reliable source? 👨x🐱 (talk) 12:16, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I can't find the newspapers.com articles, but are you sure they're specifically about the soundtrack? The Town Talk piece is literally a two-page spread about its recording. newspapers.com is theoretically paywalled, although accessible through The Wikipedia Library. This is what I meant at the time about the issue with having nominations so close together even if they're unbundled -- I've done BEFORE on three of the nominations and found two of them had sigcov that wasn't found already. There are 31 nominations. You're a reasonable and likable person, I know you have no intent to foster that workload on AfD !voters, and I know you in all likelihood genuinely didn't realize that !voters need to do their own BEFOREs rather than taking the nominator's for granted and that anything before really about 2005 has way, way more accessible on archival sources than the open internet. I don't know who's going to comb newspapers.com for the remaining 28, and I don't know if it's me. (As for HS RS, the HS is a FAC standard, not an AfD standard. I'm not sure I'd use it in an FA, but they have editorial control and appear to fact-check.) Vaticidalprophet 13:30, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Honestly, what's the difference between high-quality and reliable? Wouldn't it automatically be unreliable if it was low-quality? I really don't know why there's two separate distinctions. 👨x🐱 (talk) 14:52, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's not a distinction I'm sold on either, but I suppose there's a point to "let's use what the books say before what the news says, and what NYT say before Vice says" at FA level, even if it's a bit of a blunt instrument. Vaticidalprophet 14:54, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - There are some issues with the copy/pasted reasoning in the rush of 21 different AfDs for cartoon soundtracks by this nominator. In short, blanket reasoning for an attempted bundled AfD has been applied to every individual album therein. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Pebble and the Penguin (soundtrack) for more details. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:10, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep in agreement with Vaticidalprophet above, and kudos to that voter for the search of obscure 1990s newspapers. I was able to track down a couple of those myself, and extracting some album-specific content from them would help improve this album article. There is also some minor coverage of the Razzies "awarded" to contributors, see e.g. [14]. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:24, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I am not withdrawing the nomination, but I am changing my vote to a Weak Keep or Merge to film artciles if those newspaper sources are about the music of the film. Given how little production info there is to find of this film (all I could remember finding was an interview from the Nostalgia Critic with Don Bluth, which I don't know if others would find a RS), It could just as easily be discussed in the film article 👨x🐱 (talk) 17:54, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep so that the article can be merged or kept as appropriate. I really think the content should have been merged to Thumbelina (1994 film) and this AfD nomination should not have been made at all. A merge can be appropriate (as it is in this case) even if there is not notability for this as a separate article. Likewise, even if notability can be established, it can be editorially sensible to have a single merged article (as it is in this case). I expect I would have the same view on many (all) of this batch of nominations but it takes me at least 15 minutes to investigate each one and I don't want to spend all that time. We should not be deleting referenced material merely because we disagree with the pigeonholing. Thincat (talk) 10:04, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. NCORP failed Nosebagbear (talk) 15:12, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Flutura Decision Sciences and Analytics[edit]

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Does not meet NCORP. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources beyond routine stuff like fundraising, partnerships and self-published articles. M4DU7 (talk) 14:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: No significant coverage to establish GNG. Fails NORG also. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 15:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The sources don't satisfy WP:ORGDEPTH and WP:ORGCRIT. VV 15:54, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Sources don't satisfy WP:ORGDEPTH. Frigidpolarbear (talk) 16:06, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails NCORP.Poppified ^talk 14:20, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Does not meet notability. Webmaster862 (talk) 05:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, not notable. Heart ^(talk) 06:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to The Proud Family. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 16:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Proud Family (soundtrack)[edit]

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Was originally nominated as part of a bundle nomination of equally non-significantly-covered animated soundtrack albums, but commenters ignorant about the coverage of the topics tried to convince me they were somehow individually notable. The commenters used lousy reasoning, or WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, in trying to suggest certain topics in that nomination had individual notability. One suggested a couple of albums were by notable artists, which didn't make them notable as Notability is not inherited. Another agued "some of these articles are getting 100+ views/day", which is an invalid WP:POPULARPAGE argument. Another agued "Deleting the articles in question would delete the not insignificant article histories and revisions that could serve as rough drafts for future versions of these pages if they hold up to notability standards at a later date", which is invalid as most of these soundtracks never do and even so, we are not a WP:CRYSTALBALL.

All I could find was one Allmusic review and a mention of one song being in the show for Jet magazine. That is not WP:SIGCOV and does not establish notability. 👨x🐱 (talk) 14:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - There are some issues with the copy/pasted reasoning in the rush of 21 different AfDs for cartoon soundtracks by this nominator. In short, blanket reasoning for an attempted bundled AfD has been applied to every individual album therein. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Pebble and the Penguin (soundtrack) for more details. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:10, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to The Proud Family. The soundtrack is mentioned briefly once in a while in articles that are actually about the show, but that does not add up to enough coverage for a stand-alone album article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:33, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to The Pebble and the Penguin#Music. (non-admin closure) Ashleyyoursmile! 05:40, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Pebble and the Penguin (soundtrack)[edit]

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Was originally nominated as part of a bundle nomination of equally non-significantly-covered animated soundtrack albums, but commenters ignorant about the coverage of the topics tried to convince me they were somehow individually notable. The commenters used lousy reasoning, or WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, in trying to suggest certain topics in that nomination had individual notability. One suggested a couple of albums were by notable artists, which didn't make them notable as Notability is not inherited. Another agued "some of these articles are getting 100+ views/day", which is an invalid WP:POPULARPAGE argument. Another agued "Deleting the articles in question would delete the not insignificant article histories and revisions that could serve as rough drafts for future versions of these pages if they hold up to notability standards at a later date", which is invalid as most of these soundtracks never do and even so, we are not a WP:CRYSTALBALL.

Having one allmusic review does not establish notability. Being a soundtrack of a Don Bluth film does not establish independent notability. Having the kick-ass Tim Curry on your soundtrack album doesn– yeah, you get the idea. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. 👨x🐱 (talk) 14:14, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - There are about 21 AfDs by this nominator on cartoon movie soundtrack albums, mostly featuring repeated rationales. Those various AfDs can each be handled on their own merits, but the nominator is using WP:CRYSTALBALL incorrectly. That guideline is used to delete articles on things that have not yet happened. All of these cartoon soundtracks were released in the past, some decades ago, so they are not future items that violate WP:CRYSTALBALL. The nominator has accused someone of arguing that sources might exist, which is actually a violation of the WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES fallacy. That fallacy also happened for a previous bundled nomination and cannot be applied to ALL of the separate nominations that are now waiting for votes. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:57, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You didn't read my comments carefully. I didn't use WP:CRYSTALBALL as a reason to nominate the article. I used WP:Crystalball in response to another commenter's argument suggesting to keep them for their revision histories in case they became notable in the future, which is WP:CRYSTALBALL to assume they will. 👨x🐱 (talk) 15:59, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You'd also want to watch your other allegations. Only the introductory paragraphs have I copied for all of the cartoon soundtrack Afds, and they all end in a second paragraph commenting about the specific nominated topic. 👨x🐱 (talk) 16:03, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • All of the AfDs start with the same lengthy paragraph, with perhaps a few minor modifications, applying your dissatisfaction with your procedurally disastrous bundled AfD to every single one of those albums regardless of their individual merits. Your second paragraphs are valid but with far less detail. And you totally used the CRYSTALBALL standard incorrectly, and since it appears again and again and again (x21) in all of your AfDs, you can't say you didn't use it as a rationale for all of them. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • (1) Please stop WP:GASLIGHTING and saying I used it as a rationale for all comments. You're well aware I responded to a comment of that bundle discussion and didn't use WP:CRYSTALBALL as a rationale. (2) Listen, all the articles were nominated in that bundle, so of course I'm gonna use the same introduction to that bundle nomination in those other articles I later individually nominated for commenters to get context that will help them make their comments. It's a more efficient process than repeatedly typing differently-word paragraphs stating the same message. 👨x🐱 (talk) 20:43, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge without comment, that I have made elsewhere, on the merit of the nominations. Archival searches find passing mentions as an aside to the Thumbelina soundtrack, which Manilow made contemporaneously and appears to have gotten far more attention from mid-90s media sources. Nonetheless, the article isn't in bad shape, and if current policy insists it is unacceptable as a stand-alone article its verifiable content should be preserved nonetheless. Vaticidalprophet 15:18, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to The Pebble and the Penguin#Music. The soundtrack received some notice due to Barry Manilow's involvement and it has a basic AllMusic review. Vaticidalprophet (above) may be able to find some obscure newspaper reviews, but it appears to me that soundtrack-specific coverage is limited. Therefore the soundtrack can be covered with some viable sources at the film's article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:37, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Fails to show notability Nosebagbear (talk) 15:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Amateurs of Lebanon[edit]

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Fail of WP:GNG. nearlyevil665 09:14, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. Also fails WP:NORG and WP:NRADIO Dudhhr (talk) 19:03, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 13:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Big Six International beauty pageants[edit]

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I removed an A11 on this, as it wasn't quite one, but I don't think this is something discussed much in RSes. The Big Four international beauty pageants seems to be a notable topic, but the expansion with the other two seems very peripheral. There's a little bit of discussion, but I can only find one that appears even possibly RS, and I'm unsure it constitutes SIGCOV. There may be room for this article in a couple years, because the additional pageants look very new, but perhaps just WP:TOOSOON. Vaticidalprophet 12:47, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Which independent, reliable sources say that there are six major international beauty pageants? In other words, what independent sources place Miss Supranational and Miss Grand on the same level as Miss International and Miss Earth, much less Miss Universe and Miss World? I'm barely convinced that there are two major international beauty pageants, much less six. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and Salt. The term "Big Six International Pageants" does not exist, there is only Big Four international beauty pageants. The Big Six was invented/coined/discovered by the article's creator, and does not credibly indicate why its subject is important or significant. There is no independent reliable source to support "Big Six". The article is a "copy and paste" obviously from the Big Four Pageants. This article has no verifiability and does not meet WP:GNG.On the other hand, the Big Four are considered the most prestigious,^[1] widely covered and broadcast by media.^[2] The Wall Street Journal,^[3] BBC News,^[4] CNN,^[5][6] Xinhua News Agency,^[7] and global news agencies such as Reuters,^[8][9] Associated Press^[10] and Agence France-Presse^[11][12] collectively refer to the four major pageants as "Big Four."---Richie Campbell (talk) 21:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete agree with above Delete arguments, no need to say what they said. Webmaster862 (talk) 09:13, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 13:38, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2013 Montenegro Trophy[edit]

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I am concerned that this does not meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSEVENT. This may not even satisfy basic WP:V as there are no sources in the article at all and there never were any. Searches relating to this, its teams, Spuž and Ulcinj are coming back with no useful results at all. This would require multiple independent and reliable sources reporting on it in depth to qualify for an article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 07:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: per nom, fails WP:SPORTSEVENT CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:02, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Delete G3. Article was deleted as WP:CSD#G3 by Stwalkerster (non-admin closure) McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 18:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mikhail Alchenko[edit]

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Would be presumed notable if his role can be verified. I have attempted a WP:BEFORE search but can't find anything to verify the article's statement. Fails WP:V as well as WP:N as far as I can tell. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:34, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. President of an uninhabited Antarctic island, which by definition doesn't even have residents let alone a government? That's not a thing, and this should probably be speedied as a WP:HOAX. I'm also blocking the creator on WP:NOTHERE grounds, as other than this their only Wikipedia contributions have been vandalizing the island article and posting patent nonsense of the "also emmanuelle also can be want you also can be want you also can be want you also can be want you also can be want you ??????" variety on their userpage. Bearcat (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Present coverage fails in passing GNG. Purosinaloense T/K 14:34, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• CSD G3 This is a pure and simple hoax as Antarctica is under international treaty and has no form of government. As stated earlier the author of this article has been blocked as a vandal and is now wasting people's time by trying to force this discussion. Just get rid of it. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 14:41, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Closing since nominator is a sock.. The nominator was blocked for sockpuppetry. Feel free to renominate, etc, if necessary. Missvain (talk) 18:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Girija Shankar Sharma[edit]

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No reliable sources found on a WP:Before and no sources to establish GNG. ♠Devan Lallu ^Talk 14:35, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per WP:BEFORE. –Cupper52^Discuss! 15:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep -- It should not be difficult to verify that the books listed exist. His status as a state archivist might be notable (though I suspect not). It is thus a question whether his output as an author is enough to make him notable or whether two things bringing him near the threshold are enough to push him across it. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:51, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: The nom has been blocked for sockpuppetry. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 07:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment Wait, is that my sig? –♠Vami_IV†♠ 04:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  @Vami IV Checkuser-blocked two weeks ago, no wonder. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:49, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator, only !vote was to keep, and sources were added. XOR'easter (talk) 17:47, 24 April 2021 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Walter Scott Story[edit]

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Biography of a pulp fiction and children’s writer unsourced since 2003. A search is hard because it throws up only false positives for me and I’m not even finding unreliable sources. The article looks like it was based on an obituary but maybe others will be able to find sources demonstrating notability. Mccapra (talk) 11:34, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Well, I looked at the dates in that article, went "If there's anything here, it's not on Google", opened up newspapers.com, and found there was indeed a there there. I'm happy to say I've sourced something unsourced since 2003. His work is fairly extensively reviewed, enough for WP:NAUTHOR, and his death was front-page news. Vaticidalprophet 13:00, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hah! A likely Story! Uncle G (talk) 13:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Withdrawing nomination with thanks to Vaticidalprophet. Mccapra (talk) 16:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 18:49, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Messe München[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP, the history section and only reference are nothing to do with this exhibition centre operator. WP:BEFORE reveals only trivial coverage. SailingInABathTub (talk) 19:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• It's worth looking at Special:Diff/731924161 where an obviously paid PR editor, from the account name and edit summary, removed all source citations from the article. Have you looked at those sources too? Uncle G (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, three dead links (two to the company's own website), and two presumed reliable sources containing trivial coverage. This one reporting record profits, and this one reporting on a new chairman. SailingInABathTub (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, major trade fair operator, organizing Bauma (trade fair), Expo Real, Transport Logistic, Internationale Fachmesse für Sportartikel und Sportmode and others. (At the very least, consider merging with Neue Messe München, their main ground). Nontrivial WP:RS coverage (from easy Google searches: [15], [16], [17], and of course lots of coverage of individual trade fairs. —Kusma (𐍄·𐌺) 20:17, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• There are reliable sources related to this company but none of them offer significant coverage per WP:NCORP. They are all standard notices (trivial), covering losing money, cancelling events, new appointments etc. SailingInABathTub (talk) 21:17, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not hard to find more and better examples. corruption, overview of company history. Scheduled to host the International Motor Show Germany (world largest motor show), RS discussion. Basically, for a company of this size (especially one intimately connected with large grounds in a major city), there are always sufficient sources. The Süddeutsche Zeitung even has a subtopic for the company on their we page: [18]. I don't think "notability" is a concern worth discussing for this company. —Kusma (𐍄·𐌺) 21:36, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Except none of those meet the criteria either. We need in-depth information about the company, not mentions in passing. We need "Independent Content", not rehashed company information. This Spiegel article does not provide any in-depth information on the company not provide any "Independent Content" as per WP:ORGIND. This Sueddeutsche Zeitung article discusses the buildings and the site with only a mere passing mention of the company and fails to provide in-depth information, fails WP:CORPDEPTH. This Frankfurter Allgemeine article also fails to provide any in-depth information on the company and discusses the suitability of Munich to host conferences. As can be seen, the criteria for establishing notability has not been met. HighKing⁺⁺ 19:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • HighKing, in depth discussion of importance of company for the German economy. This is a company with 300 million euro turnover in a normal year, but much reduced recently. The main difficulty in finding sources is that the company has a stupid name and there are thousands and thousands of "in passing" references. The Sueddeutsche subtopic I linked to above is the "ongoing media coverage focusing on a product or organization" that WP:NCORP asked for, and there are also at least two dissertations about Munich trade fairs, but I don't know how much they focus on the company versus on its interaction with others. (And now I'll go back to working on some far more obscure topics that for some reason don't get hit with deletion requests). —Kusma (𐍄·𐌺) 21:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Kusma For me, the report looked impressive until I saw the report was commissioned by the topic company - "Im Auftrag der Messe München GmbH führte das ifo Institut nach 2001, 2007 und 2013 zum vierten Mal eine Studie zu den wirtschaftlichen Wirkungen durch". In my opinion, this fails ORGIND as it cannot truly be regarded as "Independent". As I've already stated, references need to meet both CORPDEPTH and ORGIND and the other sections of NCORP too - there's no point in saying that a reference meets one part (e.g. "ongoing media coverage") of the guidelines if it fails another part. HighKing⁺⁺ 12:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Agree with Kusma. Expertwikiguy (talk)

• Merge to Neue Messe München as WP:ATD. The criteria for establishing notability for companies/organizations as per WP:NCORP is for multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. None of the references in the article meet the criteria and having searched I am unable to locate any references that meet the criteria. The exhibition centre has its own article and most of the references are in relation to either the facilities or to conferences hosted there. Topic company fails WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 19:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Instead of trying to delete this article, how about we see what the German-language counterpart of it is like, then try to expand the English article with text translated from its German counterpart? It's always tough to find a user who will handle such translation jobs, considering the number of active translators can be limited at times. If the German Wikipedia article has separate articles for the company and the facility, why can't the English version? Jim856796 (talk) 01:45, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment, my analysis of the sources presented so far, in the article and in this discussion:

Source	Significant?	Independent?	Reliable?	Secondary?	Pass/Fail	Notes
#1 Süddeutsche Zeitung	N	Y	Y	Y	N	An article about the company losing money and cutting jobs due to COVID-19 - routine coverage.
#2 Augsburger Allgemeine	N	Y	Y	Y	N	An article about the company losing money due to COVID-19 - routine coverage.
#3 BR24	N	Y	Y	Y	N	An article about the company cancelling 'Expo Real' due to COVID-19 - routine coverage.
#4 Die Spiele	N	Y	Y	Y	N	Report on the 1972 Olympic games. No mention of the company.
#5 Spiegel Politik	N	Y	Y	Y	N	An article on suspected corruption at the Munich trade fair by employees of the company. Routine coverage per WP:EVENTCRIT.
#6 Süddeutsche Zeitung	N	Y	Y	Y	N	An article about the company expanding its exhibition space - routine coverage.
#7 Frankfurter Allgemeine	N	Y	Y	Y	N	An article about Munich hosting the International Motor Show. No mention of the company.
#8 IFO Institute	Y	N	N	Y	N	A report on the company's economic importance, commissioned by the company.
#9 statista	N	Y	Y	Y	N	The company's annual sales history - routine coverage
#10 Merkur.de	N	Y	Y	Y	N	An article about the company cutting jobs due to COVID-19 - routine coverage.
#11 University thesis	?	?	N	?	N	A university thesis. Not considered to reliable per WP:SCHOLARSHIP
#12 University thesis	?	?	N	?	N	A university thesis. Not considered to reliable per WP:SCHOLARSHIP
Total qualifying sources					0	There is no significant coverage in multiple reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject.