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The result was keep, any subsequent merger is an editorial issue.  Sandstein  17:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Depression and natural therapies[edit]

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Since the first AfD, the consensus is that the article is indeed a WP:POVFORK. In response to discussions after the AfD on the article talk page and on Talk:Major_depressive_disorder, it was renamed to Treatment of depression and it was merged with the content from Major_depressive_disorder#Treatment. An editor that has yet to participate in any of these discussions has reverted the renaming and reverted all edits involving merging of information from Major depressive disorder. Treatment of depression has since been restored, so the only question left is what to do with the POV fork. Ronz (talk) 23:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The point being that the deletion proposed would be improper. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How so? --Ronz (talk) 01:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry that I was unable to find any of your contributions to any of the subsequent discussions. Maybe you could provide a diff or timestamp? --Ronz (talk) 14:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. So you weren't involved in any of the discussions about merging the article, or creating Treatment of depression, or otherwise commenting on anything that led up to the creation of the "bold" editing, correct? --Ronz (talk) 15:39, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"There is way too much information in this article to call for a merge" The article is small and easily merged. Most of the information is already duplicated elsewhere. Further, much, if not all, of the information in the article are just viewpoints that have no balancing viewpoints as required for NPOV. --Ronz (talk) 18:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have noticed that some people around here seem to be biased against natural therapies, and this seems to be behind much of the criticism, but even if one thinks natural therapies are all rubbish, they are still around and they are a valid subject for an article in an encyclopedia. Whether one agrees with them or not is irrelevant. The purpose of articles in this encyclopedia is to tell people about a particular subject, not to agree or disagree with it. Personally, I don't think it really matters whether the article is kept in its present form or merged with an article on the treatment of depression, but it is not POV. I am happy to apologise to everyone if the original article wasn't as impartial as it should have been, but it's impartial now (unless someone's been changing it since I rewrote it).
Sardaka (talk) 10:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note to admin: This vote appears to be Keep or merge given "I don't think it really matters whether the article is kept in its present form or merged with an article on the treatment of depression" above.
Could you give some rationale as to why you don't think this is a POVFORK, either here or on the talk page? NPOV problems are resolved by balancing points of view, not simply removing any "out any statements that implied a point of view" as identified by an editor. --Ronz (talk) 18:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. --PeaceNT (talk) 05:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Final Destination 5[edit]

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Too far in future, no reliable sources indicating it will be made, see WP:CRYSTAL. (Article was recreated after previous deletion via PROD, so I have changed PROD tag to AFD nomination). --Snigbrook (talk) 23:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. John254 00:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Air Transat Flight 961[edit]

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Non-notable routine aviation incident in which nobody was hurt. Fails WP:N, WP:NOT#NEWS.  Sandstein  23:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep[edit] Why delete?: Air Transat Flight 961 Link title

Sandstein, with all do respect, are you a pilot? As an airline pilot myself, TSC961 was a major and life threatening incident, but great pilots on the flightdeck dealt with it appropriately. You say all aviation incidents are too common and not all can have a page, yet you have a page on jetBlue Flight 292? That was a small incident, a malfunctioning nose gear and not life threatening. The only reason it was largely publicized was because it was jetBlue's first major (albeit minor) incident. Another thing far too common is rwy incursions and mid-air near misses, yet you allow a page regarding the JAL near miss with the DC-10 and 747. If this is not enough information as to why not delete the page, I would be glad to explain the situation in far more detail. Imagine being in an Airbus A310 and losing a rudder-not a common event. I would not post anything about the recent 'smoke in the cabin' on that AA 757 at LAX. Those are too common-twice a week maybe. The Transat incident was an isolated event that provided insights into AA 587, and so, sir, I do not think you could tell the 271 pax/crew on that Airbus that it was minor-a dutch roll. Imagine two experienced, widebody Airbus pilots, doing a secondary walkaround, and to their shock, they had no rudder. By the way, I was on that aircraft (not the pilot though). My aritcle has more place here than JB292. This is not a routine incident. We do not practice rudder separation in the simulator, so, with all do respect, please only state what you know and I trust you are not a pilot. I mean no disrespect and hope that we can be friends but please save that for a topic you have experience in. Thank you Oakshade for your comment.

Thanks very much, Captain Cody Diamond —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boeing747200 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Mr Diamond. No, I am not a pilot, just an encyclopedia editor. I apologise if my nomination of this article for deletion surprises you, but since we are an encyclopedia aimed at the general public, our criteria for inclusion are somewhat generic and do not necessarily take into account what the experts in a particular field consider notable. According to our general notability criteria, a topic is notable for inclusion as its own article if it has received substantial coverage in independent reliable sources, such as mainstream media or relevant, preferably peer-reviewed expert publications. The article is currently sourced to a website by the Flight Safety Foundation, a website called airdisaster.com, and a website called airdisaster.net. It is not immediately clear that these meet our requirements for reliable sources. Moreover, we as a community of editors have come to an agreement that not all that is newsworthy is also worthy for inclusion, as noted at WP:NOT#NEWS. For these reasons, we have recently agreed to delete a number of articles about aviation incidents as unsuitable for inclusion in a general purpose encyclopedia, inclunding American Airlines Flight 31, XL Airways Flight 237, Flybe Flight 7016, Air Mauritius Flight MK745, Qantas Flight 692, AirAsia Flight 104 and United Airlines Flight 858. If, however, there does turn out to be coverage in multiple reliable sources that indicates how this incident is substantially more notable than other incidents in which some malfunction occurred aboard an aircraft, I'll be happy to withdraw my nomination. (I do admit that I did not notice at first glance that the problem was that the aircraft lost a whole rudder; I recommend writing an effective article lead to avoid this.) Thanks for your understanding,  Sandstein  07:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind response Sandstein. I understand what you have said but still disagree. You also have a story about Richard Reid and American Airlines Flight 63. Now that is a regular story. Today, there was a SWISS A321 that diverted to GVA b/c of a bomb threat. And another thing, just because this was not in the news does not mean people should not know about it. Without people coming out with something as important as this, there would be no journalism. Why should we only focus on things in the news-half of it is wrong anyway. So, why not post something that is newsworthy but not discovered yet. It keeps things going. All of the above articles listed are 'normal' emergencies paracticed in simulators and have published procedures on how to deal with them. There is no procedure about how to fly a plane, let alone an Airbus A310, without a rudder. So, I ask of you to please not delete the article based on what I have said. I hope we can have a friendly relationship on wikipedia. If you need any more reasons/examples as to why not to delete, please do not heitate to ask.

Thank you for your time, Captain Diamond —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boeing747200 (talkcontribs) 21:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also Sandstein, Aviation Safety Network is a trusted source with CNN. Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boeing747200 (talkcontribs) 21:11, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm not sure that I understand you correctly. We do not have an article about American Airlines Flight 63 as such; the title redirects to an article about the 2001 Shoe bomb plot. We're also not allowed to write about "something that is newsworthy but not discovered yet": that's called "original research" here on Wikipedia, and it's forbidden.
I've noted, however, that Gatoclass has added a "Guardian" report on the incident to the article, so I'm neutral on the deletion right now. It would help if we could show that another reliable source (i.e. one with a verifiable reputation for fact-checking) has dedicated substantial coverage to the incident.  Sandstein  21:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • That there were no deaths or injuries has absolutely nothing to do with notability and doesn't mean it wasn't the in-depth subject of independent sources which is the core criteria of WP:NOTABILITY. Many flights with no deaths are in fact very notable, like Air Transat Flight 236 and JetBlue Airways Flight 292. --Oakshade (talk) 02:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's more than that. Heavier-than-air flight requires 3-axis control. The rudder controls "yaw", or rotation about the vertical axis. (See the article on Aircraft flight control systems.) Loss of any axis of control is a very dangerous reduction in the pilots' ability to fly the aircraft at all. That's what was missing following the catastrophic structural failure of the rudder on that flight. Ikluft (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

keep. Hardly a 'routine' incident. Was investigated by Transportation Safety Board of Canada - TSBC Report. Number of recommendations made by TSBC and acted on by, variously, TC, EASA and Airbus. Looking at the notability guidelines for Aviation accidents, we find: unusual circumstances (control surface total detachment is definitely unusual) and "It is a non-injury incident which materially contributes to a change in industry or aircraft procedures". So it seems that two of the criteria suggested are met. --MadScot666 (talk) 00:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve. Safe return without rudder is remarkable itself. NVO (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral It looks like the notability lies in the airworthiness directive issued by the French and later other authorites, problem is the article fails to mention it! A few inline citations would help. I would suggest give it a chance to improve as it is written it is not notable! and could be deleted. MilborneOne (talk) 09:39, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep Meets notability and reliable sources requirements by current refs, which appear to have been added since the AfD nom. A Google search for "Air Transat Flight 961" clearly indicates potential for more refs to be found and added - so the development of the topic appears to have a path forward. When trying to determine if an aviation incident is significant, I think other editors are trying to determine whether it was a routine event within the training of the flight crew. This is similar to Air Transat Flight 236, China Airlines Flight 006 and the Gimli Glider in that passengers experienced injuries and the plane was damaged, but the plane was eventually repaired and returned to service. The photo of the broken/missing rudder in this case is enough to indicate that this event is significantly different. The fact that procedures were changed at the airline and the aircraft manufacturer as a result of it make it significant. Actually, this story is even more outside of the routine due to its origination in Cuba, event in US airspace and return to Cuba. Ikluft (talk) 18:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After making the above comment, I added the TSB Canada accident investigation report as a ref. So notability and reliable sources shouldn't be issues at all for anyone any more. Ikluft (talk) 20:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete as he fails WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 57 19:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cem Sultan (footballer)[edit]

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Player fails notability at WP:ATHLETE having never played in a fully-professional league/competition Hubschrauber729 (talk) 23:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. PhilKnight (talk) 20:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Technical Metal[edit]

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    There is no such genre as "technical metal". Some seem to be confusing a quality or trait of music with a true genre. As Leon Sword rightly said, any metal genre can be considered "technical": For thrash metal we have Artillery and Coroner; for power metal we have Symphony X or Wuthering Heights; for sludge metal we have Mastodon; for death metal we have Atheist; for progressive metal we have Dream Theater, and so on. Any subgenre can be technical. Technicality is not a genre, it is just a single quality that can apply to any real genre and says nothing about the music other than "It's technical". In addition to this, it is not a "genre" I have seen used or verified anywhere at all (note: it's used as a term, but not a genre). It has no logical reality, and no sources to back it up. A google search for the term turns up 97,500 hits, less than half that of "Battle metal". There is no good reason for this to exist as an article, it is quite simply and quite obviously just something someone has made up, as the lack of any source attests. Prophaniti (talk) 22:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Well the watchtower one claims it's a genre. Nevertheless, one stray reference does not a genre make. I agree this is going a bit overboard and cobbling together a genre out of a few stray uses of the term "technical metal". it would really need a lot more than the current referencing to make a convincing argument that this really is a genre of metal. The nom says it well, this seems to be confusing a "quality or trait of music with a true genre". --Rividian (talk) 23:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    In this case it would come out with much the same result, as what I (and I believe most) are arguing for is that the article and it's (flimsy) content be removed. A redirct to an existing page would still remove what's on the "technical metal" page. Prophaniti (talk) 21:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. Wizardman 00:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Not Like Them[edit]

    Not Like Them (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

    Fails Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Albums and WP:V, in that there is no official confirmation of the album's name, release date or tracklisting. I have been unable to find anything on the artist's official website/MySpace or on the Geffen Records website other than confirmation that an album is being recorded. Tracklisting is speculative and is a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. Even the sourced entries are dubious - an entry in the ASCAP database is not a reliable indication that a song will definitely appear on an album (original research too?). Proposing deletion without prejudice for recreation in the future following any official announcements. Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete, per WP:CRYSTAL. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 23:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Redirect top NLT (band). Album fails WP:MUSIC#Albums, I too didn't find any reliable confirmation of the album title, track listing, release date, or the Background section. Redirect since it's a very plausible search term for the band. --AmaltheaTalk 11:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete. While a headcount alone would be a no-consensus result, the overarching issue is that the page is completely bereft of references and is more or less original research. Stifle (talk) 11:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Face fault[edit]

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    Basically this article is a list of unreferenced facial expressions and alike noted as found in anime productions. AzaToth 22:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • That image is part of the problem - except for one or two short hands specific to Japan, there's nothing in that image that seems specific to anime. Anything done in a cartoonish style would use drawings like that to expression emotions normally. I've rarely heard the term 'face fault', haven't heard it at all for a number of years, and when I did hear it it described much, much more exaggerated images than that illustration has. I'm not sure this is sustainable as anything but a footnote in the style section of either the manga or anime articles, and even then, it is genre specific. It is possible that sources could be found to describe that style, but I'm not sure it needs an article of its own, and I'm extremely unsure that this is the current term for what the article is describing. Doceirias (talk) 00:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Having read the article (before my original comment) a lot of it does appear to be original research, whilst a lot of the expressions mentioned do exist most of the descriptive sections are generalisations at best and in some cases just (in my experience) not accurate. That no sources have been provided to me indicated that this is more a personal essay based on someone's personal experience rather than an encycloapedia article based on reliably sourced, verifiable information. An article on the topic may be possible but given the current state of the article and the lack of reliable sources immediately available (there are a few in the category you mention) I don't think there is much to save. Guest9999 (talk) 20:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    The creator was Kizor, apparently, so you would have to ask him. I agree that at least some (and probably most) of it can and should be deleted, but in my experience, voting for a deletion gets exactly that, with no checking to see if any material might be more useful, appropriate, or supported in another article. With a merge, someone has to at least look at the material. Westrim (talk) 21:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, the problem IS the OR, because the article may very well be incorrect. A quick Google search is enough to establish that the meaning of the term is not universally accepted, and that the version given in the article doesn't even appear to be the majority view. Heck, even the spelling of the term is far from established, because I just realized that the reason I'd never heard "face fault" before is because I've always seen it spelled "face vault", and that version gets slightly more Google hits than "face fault" although both seem to be fairly widespread. When you've got something this contradictory and poorly established about something that's basically a piece of jargon, it's hard to justify there being an article on it at all, and an unsourced, unverifiable piece of OR is a definite no-no. Something this messy can't be fixed by the discretion of individuals. And could you suggest another page that this material might fall under? It doesn't seem like Wikipedia has a whole lot of other articles about cliched cartoon physical gags. Gelmax (talk) 08:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    There were discussions about your first few sentences on the article's talk page, so look there. I agree with one threads conclusion that regardless of its pervasiveness, face vault makes no sense, and is more likely to be a cross-language corruption of the chosen term. Also, and to repeat myself, look at the Categories this article is a member of and particularly the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_iconography for similar pages and info. The major problem with your OR argument is that it's looking at the article as a whole, when we should be more concerned with it's contents, at least some of which is verified on other pages. Westrim (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete Cenarium Talk 16:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    The Jubals[edit]

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    While this appears to be an earnest attempt at creating an article, I just don't see any reliable source to show notability. Rarity does not prove notability at least in the wiki sense. -- Leivick (talk) 22:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Keep. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Rock Art Show[edit]

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    Non-notable art exhibition, no references to provide notability, this also looks like it was copied from somewhere else. Corvus cornixtalk 21:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete as WP:NOT (Wikipedia is not a dictionnary). --JForget 00:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Viddy[edit]

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    Nothing more than a dictionary entry. PROD contested by the author. Ros0709 (talk) 21:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete - per nom. And definition is uncited and dubious. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete per WP:DICT and lack of any sourcing/references. Wiw8 (talk) 22:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete per comments above--ThaddeusB (talk) 22:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Goldom ‽‽‽ 16:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Marian Apparitions at Borg in-Nadur[edit]

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    This article, even if the incidents it mentions were sourced and notable, would have to be rewritten from scratch. We cannot have sentences giving "Marian apparitions" as facts, and the title itself is unacceptable unless one believes in the events described in the first place. Goochelaar (talk) 21:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete. Stifle (talk) 11:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Vornado Air Circulation Systems[edit]

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    Another procedural nom. I've just declined a speedy on this. To me, it doesn't currently meet WP:CORP; however, this is an article that's survived for four years (although the early version was not our most informative article), being edited by multiple editors none of whom seem to have had any problem with it. So bringing it over to the Unruly Mob for decision. Procedural nom so I abstain.  – iridescent 21:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Speedy Delete per G1 by Anthony Appleyard. (non-admin closure) MrKIA11 (talk) 21:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Peterstan[edit]

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    Obvious hoax, utterly non-notable, need I say more? Bullzeye (Ring for Service) 21:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    List of minor characters in Xenosaga[edit]

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    Article does not meet the WP:GNG because there are no reliable third party sources to verify the article's contents. Non-notable list of video game characters. Previous AFD does not reflect actual policy, and was closed by a non-admin with 2 delete !votes and 3 keeps. Randomran (talk) 21:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete because no transwiki target was provided. May be restored for transwiki on request.  Sandstein  17:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    List of minor Tekken characters[edit]

    List of minor Tekken characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

    Non-notable list of minor video game characters. Does not meet WP:GNG because there are no reliable third party sources to verify any of this article's contents. Randomran (talk) 21:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    List of Crusader enemies[edit]

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    Non-notable list of video game enemies. Does not meet WP:GNG because there are no reliable third party sources to verify any of this article's contents. Existing sources are all official guides, and thus non-independent, and cannot meet the GNG's requirements. Also violates the WP:VGSCOPE guideline that these kinds of lists are generally unnecessary to provide a WP:CONCISEPLOT of the game, and thus violate what Wikipedia is WP:NOT. Randomran (talk) 21:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was keep. John254 00:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Ferrari Challenge (video game)[edit]

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    Tagged as WP:OR since June and never fixed. No independent sources cited. Needs to be fixed or gone per WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:RS. Guy (Help!) 21:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment. ...You are aware that the release date of the game is before the scheduled end of this AfD? --Kizor 21:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Those policies do nto include exceptions for things that will one day be sourceable. Feel free to add sources that exist right now. Guy (Help!) 12:14, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • But the game is coming out in 3 days time. It's better here to ignore all rules and keep the article around as opposed to deleting the article and then recreating it. MuZemike (talk) 12:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Eck Louvell[edit]

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    Fake. Only Ghit is Wikipedia. Prod removed by author. JuJube (talk) 21:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete per lack of sources or evidence of notability. Wiw8 (talk) 23:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Keep I'm Albert Nox and the article is not promotional at all in nature - it is a new style of glamour photography - that even though Wylie Beckert is "all in deletion for" - she inspires my artwork and I didn't know that I had to have permission for that - It is not a hoax, it is new and maybe it doesn't have enough credibility yet. I will post it again later if that possible. AlbertNox —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlbertNoxx (talk • contribs) 22:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete. A stub about the company might be reasonable, as noted. Black Kite 23:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    End (video game)[edit]

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    Article with no independent sources about a game that will be released Real Soon Now by a redlinked company. WP:CRYSTAL, WP:NOT a directory of video games, still less upcoming ones of no objectively provable significance. Guy (Help!) 21:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was keep. John254 00:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Salvation (video game)[edit]

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    An unreleased game from a redlinked manufacturer with no credible independent sources. WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOT a directory of video games that will be out Real Soon Now. Guy (Help!) 21:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    So please source the article. Right now it does not comply with core policies. Guy (Help!) 12:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. John254 00:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Near future in video gaming[edit]

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    A list of mostly uncited speculative "near future" releases in an arbitrarily chosen entertainment genre. I don't think 2010 is "near future", and there does not appear to be any reliable independent definition of what constitutes near future, so this is just a gathering ground for WP:CRYSTAL. Guy (Help!) 20:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Goldom ‽‽‽ 16:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Jessica grist[edit]

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    Another procedural nomination. I've declined a ((prod)) on this (Despite minor involvement in many media activities the subject does not seem to have achieved true notability in any particular area. Google has little on her. The article is unreferenced and has a promotional tone.) as I think there is enough there to suggest potential notability and possibly warrant the article being cleaned up and sourced rather than deleted. All that said, I was genuinely surprised at how few hits a Google search turned up, as she does pass the "I've heard of her" test (and this is spectacularly not my field). Personally, although I'm bringing this to AfD to get a wider consensus, I think there is enough here that if it can be sourced, I vote to keep.  – iridescent 20:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. WJBscribe (talk) 02:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Mera Kuch Samaan[edit]

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    Non-notable article about a song, also article not referenced. Macy 20:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was deleted (CSD G3) by Orangemike. NAC. Cliff smith talk 23:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Mr. Kanye[edit]

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    Contested prod, previously deleted by prod so G4 doesn't apply. This article is devoid of reliable sources and fails WP:MUSIC and WP:CRYSTAL: no release date or track listing; title isn't even verified. Cliff smith talk 20:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Redirect per Wikipedia:MUSIC#Songs (non-admin closure). --AmaltheaTalk 11:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Permanent Monday[edit]

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    Source has Sparks saying she wants this to be the next single, not that it will be. No reliable source to say this will be the next single makes this fail WP:CRYSTAL and WP:MUSIC. Aspects (talk) 20:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Zero No contributions to the AfD. No reliable sources to demonstrate notability or make possible an encyclopaedic article. Deleting. SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 21:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Leslie Hunt[edit]

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    American Idol (season 6) semi-finalist who has two independent released albums that fails WP:Music. Aspects (talk) 20:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 08:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Intercontinental Champion[edit]

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    This article is already covered by WWE Intercontinental Championship and List of current WWE champions. This is most likely a snow speedy delete. SRX 20:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. WJBscribe (talk) 02:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Untitled David Cook Album[edit]

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    Forthcoming album has no confirmed name, release date or track listing that fails WP:MUSIC and WP:CRYSTAL. Aspects (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Nomination Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) MrKIA11 (talk) 18:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Iceland at the 1948 Summer Olympics[edit]

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    Non-notable, even according to the info in article; basically just a statment that they DID compete, and a few info boxes. All the info can be found elsewhere on wiki. Vrefron (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • On second thought, I suppose I'd be fairly intereted if I lived in Reykjavík. Now how do I withdraw this nomination? Vrefron (talk) 18:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Magnetotrama[edit]

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    Article is original research with no refs or secondary sources, and hence no WP:Verifiability. If covered in medical research it would be OK, but not as a personal reminiscence. TrulyBlue (talk) 19:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete - Violates WP:NOR and the only way to confirm might violate WP:COS. Vrefron (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete The article if you can call it that simply states one persons observations after an accident, with some other info. It is definitely falls under WP:NOR. SOL Basic 01:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Redirected to United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_California,_2008#District_50. Merge appropriate info to that article. Black Kite 23:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Nick Leibham[edit]

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    Unnotable congressional candidate. He isn't currently a legislator, but an attorney. None of the sources actually discuss him in detail, with most being general campaign info, with only the gas thing being about him and certainly not enough to meet WP:BIO. Article is mostly a promo piece created by his campaign office. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment It appears a redirect target has been proposed in lieu of straightforward deletion. RayAYang (talk) 12:09, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    "Significant coverage" means that the "sources address the subject directly in detail." First, the subject of this article is not solely Nick Leibham, the person, but also his candidacy. The latter is addressed in every source but for the first reference which links to a biographical page relating to Cheryl Ede. Secondly though, Leibham's person is directly addressed as follows:
    From the second reference: "This year he is being challenged by Democrat Nick Leibham, 34, an attorney and former prosecutor."
    Leibham showed $267,000 cash on hand."
    From the seventh: "Congressional candidate Nick Leibham was promoting his campaign at a gas station in the Encinitas..."
    From the eighth: "Nick Leibham, Democratic nominee for the House of Representatives in California’s 50th District"
    From the ninth: "Democratic nominee for the 50th Congressional District, Nick Leibham is rolling back the price of gas in North County."
    From the eleventh: "...and Leibham, the preppy lawyer who lives in Rancho Santa Fe..." "the young “change” candidate down the ticket."
    All the sources cited would be considered "reliable" inasmuch as they are, save for the external link to Leibham's campaign website, secondary and independent, many of them stemming from established political blogs; the Union Tribune, San Diego's newspaper of record; the Coast Times; KPBS; and local news agencies. User:newmediasinecure (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    There is precedent for a page like this one; other congressional challengers, democrats and republicans, have stand-alone articles: Charles Brown (California),Dennis Shulman, Jim Ogonowski; In fact an entire category exists titled United States House of Representatives elections Candidates Newmediasinecure (talk) 23:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm well aware of what politician says, remove all the politic references and all you have is a lawyer, not notable. If you want I can strip the article down to its bones to show you what that would look like. Darrenhusted (talk) 13:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    You left out the part about People notable only for one event. Leibham's RS attention comes from running for office and is about his run for office. The greater issue here is can we make a substantive biography of this person based on the reliable sources available? The sources evident are insufficient and Leibham doesn't yet qualify for the WP:POLITICIAN common sense exception for office holders. • Gene93k (talk) 14:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. John254 00:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Lund Calling[edit]

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    Non-notable CD, featuring non-notable bands. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 19:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    These are notable bands, especially Damn and Langhorns, whose songs are heard in over 30 films and TV shows. Pop music is one of Sweden's top exports. Many indie rock fans in the USA, England and Japan are especially interested in music from Sweden. (Randyfx (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]
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    The result was Speedy delete a7, no assertion of notability (I'm a free agent, too!) NawlinWiki (talk) 19:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Alexander blanding[edit]

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    Non-notable sports player - a google search for "Alexander blanding" "Free agent" gives no results. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 19:06, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was redirect to Halifax Public Libraries. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 09:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Halifax North Memorial Library[edit]

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    This speedied article was returned identically within minutes of deletion. There is no notability either asserted or present, no reliable sources, no verifiability and apparently no intention to work within Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Accounting4Taste:talk 19:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. Goldom ‽‽‽ 16:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Jcbbib[edit]

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    Contested prod. Article is about non-notable software that creates bibliographies. Fails WP:Notability (software). TNX-Man 18:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Delete per nom. A quick Google query shows that the most relevant entry is actually the Wikipedia article AVandtalkcontribs 18:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    I do not yet have the authorization to add much more content to the article, that problem should be resolved by Monday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lewismith3 (talkcontribs) 12:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Keep. Just about scrapes into WP:MUSIC. Black Kite 23:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Man Bites God[edit]

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    Fails WP:Band & WP:N guidelines. Per article, they are unsigned. -- Endlessdan 18:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    *Delete Fails WP:N and WP:BAND, gsearching pulls up quite a few links, but not to any site that is reliable. --Ged UK (talk) 19:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    I disagree with your assessments, and as such I have added some more "reliable" sources to Man Bites God's wikipedia page in the hope that you will reconsider this deletion. --Newmillennium (talk) 08:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    comment No idea why Newmillennium added 'kelly clarkson' to my comment, I've removed it. --Ged UK (talk) 08:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Alis Payan[edit]

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    Unable to verify any of this article. No sources provided, no sources found. Article (and numerous others related to it) are COI creations. Mdsummermsw (talk) 18:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete. Black Kite 23:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Henry (KaBlam!)[edit]

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    Yes, they're the main characters of KaBlam!, but I can't seem to find any reliable sources whatsoever regarding either of the characters. Most of this is just original research and trivia, with too many blue links. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirps • HELP) 18:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 23:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Jake Hamilton[edit]

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    Bio written by user:Jake The Movie Guy. Looks like self-promotion to me. Is he notable? — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 17:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    He is pretty notable in Houston. The only film critic, pretty much covers all entertainment news. Lots of billboards around town with him, and the station advertises him pretty well. Heard he got an Emmy nomination but don't know if this is true. Not worth deleting. It's all true. — IntheRED (Talk | contribs) 13:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    yeah he interviews everyone, you cant turn on your tv in houston without seeing this guy. his interviews are pretty cool. — makingmyway12 (Talk | contribs) 02:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 08:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Camp Rock 2 (film)[edit]

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    Non-notable (and unreferenced) future made for cable TV movie. Mdsummermsw (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was keep. John254 00:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    My Brother Cicero[edit]

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    Non-notable short film, despite winning two awards at relatively minor festivals. Appears to fail WP:MOVIE Ecoleetage (talk) 11:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was keep. John254 00:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Kiss Hands[edit]

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    Unreferenced for over 2 years, fails verifiability policy. Also the subject is of questionable notability. Stifle (talk) 11:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was keep. John254 00:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Scour[edit]

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    Previously deleted per WP:CSD#A7; discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 August 15 indicated some discomfort with that decision, with solid arguments on both sides. A full debate, I think, is in order. The current article does not demonstrate sufficient notability through reference to reliable sources. This is a procedural nomination, but my own instinct is to delete. Chick Bowen 17:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Waggers (talk) 21:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Damien Tavis Toman[edit]

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    No evidence for encyclopedic notability as per Wikipedia:Notability (music). Created and edited by two single-purpose accounts, the article contains a huge amount of links to Mr. Toman's web sites, but no independent reliable sources - a blog posting noting the self-publication of one of his albums does not suffice. Prod was disputed with arguments which are honorable in themselves, but are not consistent with Wikipedia's definition of notability (Toman suffers from a lack of recognition, obviously stemming from his own self-deprecating nature. Simply because he has gone largely unnoted does not mean he is unnotable). HaeB (talk) 16:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    There is absolutely no contradiction between making great music and not having an article on Wikipedia. And I would certainly agree with you that there are some people who have great commercial success with their music (as evidences by charts etc.), and therefore are regarded as encyclopedically notable, but whose music lacks artistic value.
    But what you do not seem to understand is Wikipedia's principle of not making judgements of artistic value ourselves, but merely reporting the judgments of others - in this case, it is not our job to listen to Mr. Toman's music, or going to his gigs, to see if we agree with your opinion (which could quite possibly be the case!). Instead, Wikipedia rely on the judgement of the general public, as evidenced by reviews in established media, decisions of record companies and commercial success.
    You seem to be a genuine music enthusiast and I am sorry if the editorial process of this Wikipedia article causes you bad feelings. But you also seem not to understand the problems that Wikipedia would face if it wouldn't adhere to its notability guidelines - how about looking through Special:NewPages yourself for a while?
    Regards, HaeB (talk) 12:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    First off, I have to say I was surprised to finally see a DTT article on Wikipedia! Now, my two cents on deleting it:

    In theory, Wikipedia exists not to determine the validity of an artist, but to document their existence. If wikipedia becomes a judge and jury of culture and what should be deemed "relevant", it has ceased to provide an objective view and should be billed as a subjective medium capable of such discriminations. I don't think anyone wants that.

    I have a large portion of Toman's discography, one of which is the massive box set I ordered after seeing his ad for it on MySpace. I have loads of his songs on my iPod right now. I have gone to his shows with plenty of friends who are also aware of his music. It seems unfortunate that if I were to try to spread his subversive music, I could not recommend Wikipedia as a source for information.

    By nature Toman is a subversive and odd fellow, which seems to be an integral part of his concept as an artist. He may have a small fan base by arena-rock standards, but his unique ability to thrive under harsh and inhospitable climates makes him more like a rare species worthy of study than one worthy of extinction! Recommending his article for deletion seems so paradoxical to me it's at the point of silliness.

    Anyway, thanks for hearing my thoughts.

    Infaction ( talk) 14:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC) infaction (a fan of the musician who exists [at least enough] to have a page on Wikipedia)[reply]

    CommentI agree that he should be studied, but that's exactly what Wikipedia is not for; wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a repository for everything ever. See WP:NOT for more clarity. If (and hopefully when) Toman starts being noticed by the larger music press (or smaller but well respected), then he'd warrant an encyclopedic entry. Until then, I can't see why he's different to the thousands of other unsigned, highly talented artists around. Sadly. --Ged UK (talk) 16:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Henry's Mom[edit]

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    I fail to see the notability in a "minor recurring character" from an animated series. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 16:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC) Let me edit it then make your final decision. User:Mfowler11 User talk: Mfowler11[reply]


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    The result was deleted (CSD G4) by Orangemike. NAC. Cliff smith talk 17:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Princess Disneymania[edit]

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    Previously deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Princess DisneyMania. Speedy delete for repost (no new sources) contested without explanation. Original reasons apply. Mdsummermsw (talk) 16:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Redirect (already done). Synergy 15:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Jamyang Jamtsho Wangchuk[edit]

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    I am somewhat concerned about the notability of this actor. A Google search turned up few results that would establish more notability. In fact, looking at the page's history, it seems that it was originally created as a redirect.  Marlith (Talk)  16:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm redirecting as he only starred in this film The Bald One White cat 16:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete --JForget 00:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Politicism[edit]

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    PROD removed without improvements or explanation. This is original research on a non-notable neologism. Beeblbrox (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    The link you refer does not use the term "politicism" at all. Beeblbrox (talk) 16:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    African IQ[edit]

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    Article is not notable, is a pov-fork of Race and Intelligence, is a synthesis as the citations do not discuss African IQ, but are a collection of publications about specific measurements from different populations within Africa, with the article drawing these papers together, constituting original research Alun (talk) 15:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment if the article is based on Malloy's view, where are the alternate views? Where is the proper attribution of this single view? Is this view even notable (how many reviews has this one paper from Malloy garnered? Are the views analyzed and echoed somewhere else? Are they taught in universities?) These are all questions which need answers. Otherwise, we're building a whole article based on a single paper.--Ramdrake (talk) 19:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment You miss my point about Wicherts etc. Malloy is simply the latest to produce a nicely organized table. Moreover, NPOV issues are not relevant to AfD. It should be clear that this is notable. You'll note that I tried to leave several 'expand' templates to indicate the need for additional material. --Legalleft (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm raising issues about notability of the view. There is no evidence that Malloy's view is notable. It is not clear at all that this particular view is notable.--Ramdrake (talk) 20:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    African IQ isn't a notable topic? --Legalleft (talk) 20:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    No more than North American IQ, European IQ or Asian IQ are notable. Now, you don't see article about these, now, do you?--Ramdrake (talk) 23:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Tables themselves are taken directly from these papers rather than being "synthesized" by a WP editor. If this is true, then why don't the tables cite the sources you mention? I looked through the table and found a citation for an IQ of 50 for a group of 17 year olds in Gambia (citation no 49). When I checked the citation I found no mention of an IQ of 50, there was no mention of IQ at all the paper did not mention Africa as a whole. What I did find was a study of the utility of malarial prophilaxis during infancy.[17] Clearly this figure is not taken from the paper cited in this case. There is a significant problem with attribution in this case. Alun (talk) 20:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Intelligence test scores from sub-Saharan Africa[12]" see ref # 12, and so on. --Legalleft (talk) 20:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is not the paper cited for this figure of an IQ of 50, the paper cited does not give a figure for IQ at all.[18] Inappropriate attribution does not strengthen your case, it only makes it look like an attempt to portray the subject as more significant than it really is. The article is full of these inconsistencies. The section entitled "Average test scores" starts by claiming that "Intelligence test scores from large samples of Black Africans have been reported in the scientific literature for decades." How does this correlate with IQ? Not all "intelligence" tests measure IQ, and not all can be used to estimate IQ. As far as I can see, although the claim is perfunctorily true, IQ has not been routinely tested, but a single person has attempted to produce an estimate of "IQ" from a plethora of various tests, performed by numerous different organisations for a variety of different reasons over many decades with extremely differing methodologies often on war traumatised populations. This article seems to be little more than an attempt to introduce a single source by a single person who has written a paper for the sole purpose of supporting the racist comments of James Watson.[19] I don't see that as notable. Watson must be mortified that he has sunk so low that people like Rushton and Jensen are supporting him.[20] Starting an article for the sole purpose of promoting Watson's remarks and a single paper that supports him is not what editors on Wikipedia should be doing. Alun (talk) 17:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • So now it's notable because there are no books about it? Alun (talk) 21:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I think Ramdrake was asking whether the topic isn't already covered by those articles, but I pointed out that those were book review articles, not topic articles, so it wouldn't be appropriate to merge there. Indeed, the books are citation in this article (or should be if I forgot them). --Legalleft (talk) 21:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I think what Ramdrake was saying is that there are articles where a map showing average IQ by state is appropriate, and there are articles where it is not. Clearly the articles he links to are appropriate for such a map, whereas "race" and intelligence is not. Alun (talk) 21:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, I was protesting the strawman argument which Legalleft seems to advance that this article is needed because inclusion of an "IQ by nation" map was turned down at Race and Intelligence. Otherwise, Alun is correct.--Ramdrake (talk) 23:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    So you think African IQ should be discussed in Race and intelligence, and thus you recommend merging? Just as long as its not data collected at a national level??? --Legalleft (talk) 03:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that "race" and intelligence should discuss the concept of "race" and how some scientists have claimed that "intelligence" varies between these socially constructed "races". As such it should provide evidence for both the existence or non-existence of biological "race" and also discuss what "intelligence" is, how it is measured, the various discussions regarding the validity of "intelligence tests" (and many scientists still hold the view that these tests are biased). Likewise it should discuss the published views of noted scientists who have commented on this. Currently the article expresses the views mainly of a sub-set of psychologists and ignores the views on "race" and "intelligence" (both as individual subjects and as a single subject) of a plethora of biologists and anthropologists. For example I note that the book "Race and Intelligence: Separating Science From Myth" [21] is not cited a single time in the "R&I" article (I'd like to get hold of this, but at £75 it's a bit steep for me). Indeed when I added the views of several noted anthropologists and biologists regarding the validity of "biological race" to the introduction of the "race" and "intelligence" article Legalleft removed them and replaced them with psychologists,[22] who are not experts in human variation. Furthermore if any researchers have linked the "intelligence" of Africans to the "race" and "intelligence" debate, then these views belong in the "race" and "intelligence" article, there appears to be no clear reason for creating this content fork, the subject appears to have no notability outside of the "race" and "intelligence" debate. The reason for not supporting the maps produced at a state level is that the populations of states do not constitute "races", unless you are now claiming that African Americans are part of the same "race" as European-Americans, which I seriously doubt as this would undermine the arguments and sources for about 90% of the "race" and "intelligence" article. So yes, fundamentally the discussion of African "IQ" belongs in "race" and "intelligence" if a reliable source positions these arguments on a "racial" level. For example the data collected and included in the African IQ article don't cite sources about the IQ of Africans (see above). If Mallory has published these data in the context of "African IQ" and claimed that the populations sampled represent a coherent biological grouping (i.e. if Mallory claims that somehow all sub-Saharan Africans represent a biologically homogeneous group or "race" (an absurd notion in my personal view, but that's unimportant for the purposes of verifiability)) then yes the conclusions of these authors should be included in the "race" and "intelligence" article. As for why this is going through AfD instead of a merge on the talk page, it's because it will recieve a great deal more input from non-contributing editors here, so a better cross section of the community will be able to comment on the proposal. "African IQ" is a newly created and rather obscure article, as such a merge discussion on the talk page is unlikely to get much attention from the broader community. This has precedent within the community. Alun (talk) 11:14, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Then why would you vote to delete? IMO, the topic of African IQ can't get appropriate attention in the "race and intelligence" article just as "race and intelligence" can't get appropriate attention in the "race" article. I believe the talk page at "race and intelligence" backs up this contention, as shown by the snippets of talk I presented above. An article with more than 50 references is notable enough to stand on its own, even if it is summarized at "race and intelligence". --Legalleft (talk) 19:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, but the number of references in an article isn't a criterion of notability. According to Google scholar, the Mallory article (which is the basis for this article) is quoted all of 3 times in the scientific literature. I would say this is a sure indication of utter lack of notability. Also, most of your references are recopied directly from the Mallory article. I could write an article based on a science paper and cite all of its references to make it look well-referenced, but that doesn't make it any more notable.--Ramdrake (talk) 20:07, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    A review article summarizes a topic, and thus the papers it cites are relevant. A paper published in 2008 isn't going to have been cited that many times. But a Google search for "African IQ" (no permutations) finds greater than 1000 hits. Moreover, the Malloy article is simply one of multiple reviews. The Wicherts PhD dissertation I pointed out to you is another recent publication. How much more notable does a topic need to get than several scholarly works and 4-digit Google hits? --Legalleft (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Google will have several hits that are blogs (such as VDARE and others, and multiple hits from Wikipedia). A Google scholar search turns up onl 32 hits based on the same expression; far from notable.--Ramdrake (talk) 19:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    32 scholarly articles is far from notable? Try taking the quotes off the search, or permuting for synonyms. This topic was the cover story of major newspapers last November. Perhaps if Watson had never mentioned it you would have a arguable case for lack of notability and merge into a higher-level article, but that event generated a huge amount of media quotes from scholars expressing their opinions about this specific topic. So some number between 32 and greater than 1000 is the notability in Google metrics. --Legalleft (talk) 19:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, 32 scholarly articles mentioning the words "African IQ" in this order is far from notable. Taking the quotes of will search for anything related to African or IQ, and will give you tens of thousands of unrelated hits. Watson's spat of last November was a news event that came and went, and is hardly ever mentioned again now, except in discussions like this one. I still reiterate that the subject is not notable enough for its own article. Let's just wait and see how people feel about this AfD.--Ramdrake (talk) 20:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    If this were an article about something politically innocuous -- such as a random species of insect -- with similar citation stats, no one would dream of supporting an AfD. I don't see why psychometrics should be held to a different standard than lepidopterism. I've seen no arguments that support deletion on the merits, and I think you should reevaluate your vote. --Legalleft (talk) 07:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Besides which a quick look at the authors of these 32 hits for google scholar shows that a large plurality are by Rushton (Rushton seven times in the first ten hits, ten times in the first twenty hits and fifteen times in the whole 32 hits [23]), with a great deal of overlap between the data. It hardly amounts to numerous independent publications and emphasises the fringe nature of the material, with the same names cropping up again and again. The weakness of the notability claim is highlighted by the article itself, it begins with the "Watson controversy", but James Watson is neither an expert of Africa nor an expert on cognitive ability. How do his comments display notability? The reaction to Watson's claims was incredulity and condemnation as simple ignorance. Alun (talk) 05:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Personal incredulity is not a notability criteria, per the talk page thread. --Legalleft (talk) 07:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    And no one claims it is. But the lack of authority of Watson is relevant. Alun (talk) 07:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    In addition to being the former director of the Human Genome project, Watson publishes papers on the genetics of schizophrenia (last one earlier this year). You realize of course, that one of the first schizophrenia associated genes also is reported to affect IQ. He's very familiar with the psychometrics and behavior genetics literature, as you can tell from his latest book. --Legalleft (talk) 07:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Watson's directorship of the HGP is not relevant to his authority regarding the population of Africa, neither is his expertise in schizophrenia. I think the point is that this article is almost entirely based on Watson's comments of last year and a couple of essays published in the journal Medical Hypotheses that have supported him.[24] [25] [26] Indeed the editor of this journal claims that scientific debate should not be stifled by political correctness, but Watson was not speaking in a scientific capacity, and was not presenting research he had conducted, he was giving personal opinion. Even Malloy's use of words is odd, "there is data (sic) to suggest these differences are influenced by genetic factors", well cancer is "influenced by genetic factors", but no one is claiming that smokers are genetically different to non-smokers. Some smokers are more likely to get lung cancer than others due to genetic variation in the population, some non-smokers are more likely to get lung cancer than other non-smokers. The correlation between smoking and cancer is not genetic, but we know that genes are involved in cancer susceptibility and that smoking is highly heritable (~70%).[27]. It's a very odd turn of phrase. The journal Medical Hypotheses seems to have a habit of publishing scientifically dubious opinion.[28] And it's editor seems to be a fully paid up member of the "poor people are poor because they are stupid" point of view.[29] All in all there's not much to make this notable, a couple of essays supporting Watson, published in an obscure journal does not make for a great deal of notability as far as I can see. Alun (talk) 08:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Dismissing the credentials of Watson w.r.t. expertise on behavior and genetics is ludicrous. I professionally know a lot about this topic, and I don't have the credentials Watson does. His arguments were published in his latest book, not simply reported in the news. Also, characterizing a field of research as consisting only of the unsupported opinions of secondary source review writers is ludicrous. That's like arguing that evolution is merely Richard Dawkins' opinion. The reason there are so many citations in this article is that there are so many primary sources. --Legalleft (talk) 19:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    (outdent) (1) I didn't dismiss "the credentials of Watson w.r.t. expertise on behavior and genetics". You stated that he was a former director of the HGP and was an expert in schizophrenia, I pointed out that this article is not about the HGP or schizophrenia, your comment is simply irrelevant. Your comment was simply an appeal to authority, i.e. that we should "believe" him because he's a famous scientist, that's a logical fallacy. (2) Watson's entitled to his opinions, and of course because he's famous many people will read his book, but Watson's opinions are his opinions, let's not pretend that they have any more significance than that. He's entitled to his opinions, but Wikipedia is not here to present the personal opinions of famous scientists as if they were "facts". We can portray the professional opinions of famous scientists of course. (3) Furthermore I didn't characterise "a field of research as consisting only of the unsupported opinions", I said that Malloy's use of words seemed odd. Now I know why, it's because he has no understanding of this field because he's not an expert but an artist blogger on a racist website. (4) Please try to respond to what I say, in your post above you haven't. It's very hard to have a discussion when you keep claiming I have written something I clearly have not written. Alun (talk) 06:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Redirect to Education in Taoyuan County. Stifle (talk) 12:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Tzu-Chiang Junior High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. There are many other schools that are notable. This one is not it Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Merge/Redirect to Education in Taoyuan County. Stifle (talk) 11:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    DongSing Junior High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. There are many other schools that are notable. This one is not it Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete. The consensus is clearly that this school should not have an article, and what content is there looks like a copy of the school's website. If, despite that, anyone wants it for a merged article, feel free to drop me a line. Stifle (talk) 11:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Hsing Nan Junior High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. There are many other schools that are notable. This one is not it Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Redirected. Stifle (talk) 12:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Lunsin Junior High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. There are many other schools that are notable. This one is not it Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Redirect to education in Taoyuan County. Stifle (talk) 12:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Da-Cheng Junior High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. There are many other schools that are notable. This one is not it Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Boldly redirected by Ged UK. Stifle (talk) 11:02, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Tahan Junior High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. There are many other schools that are notable. This one is not it Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Merge/redirect to Education in Taoyuan County. Stifle (talk) 11:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Longgong Junior High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. There are many other schools that are notable. This one is not it Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Redirect to Education in Taoyuan County. Stifle (talk) 12:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Ba-de Junior High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. There are many other schools that are notable. This one is not it Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Keep. Synergy 15:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    NanKan High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. There are many other high schools that are notable. This one is not it Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Redirect to Education in Taoyuan County. Stifle (talk) 12:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Da Luen Junior High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. The creator of this article has created many non-notable high school pages already. Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages. There are many high schools in any given country. This one is simply not notable. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was keep. Some cleanup is recommended, but is not an AfD issue. Shereth 21:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Yung-Feng High School[edit]

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    Delete for non-notability. There are many high schools within any given country. Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages. The page itself sounds like an advertisement Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment - Where is this consensus of which you speak? I can only find the failed proposal for schools which didn't achieve consensus. Ged UK (talk) 19:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    As far as I've observed in the last two years, for every high school article that was AfD'd consensus has kept them all. --Oakshade (talk) 20:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Doesn't matter, even if it were policy to keep high schools--COPYVIO trumps NOTABILITY (see Smith Jones's comment below)--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree with the COPYVIO stance. See comment below. --Oakshade (talk) 20:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Totally agree with the copyvio too. Don't at all agree that High schools are/should be automatically be notable, but that appears to be the consensus
    • my mistake - I didnt realize tha tiw as okay to have two copies of the exact same article on the Wiki. That seems pretty sily but if you say its okay then I wont question it. Smith Jones (talk) 19:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - Err, no its not okay to have two copies of the exact same article which is why they need to be merged, which I will do. TerriersFan (talk) 19:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment thanks mate i was afriad i would have to mes with this again Smith Jones (talk) 20:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    *Delete no assertion of notability. That said, there are a hell of a lot of school articles on here that I don't think are particularly more notable. We really need to get the notability guidelines/policy for schools sorted out quickly. Ged UK (talk) 19:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • comment - its not really oiur job to clean up every artice that gets speedy-copypastad from other websites. at the bery least, this is probably a plagiarism issue and in which case we shouldnt leave it up for so long since i think that its unethical to just copy and paste stuff from government websites and call it an "article". Smith Jones (talk) 20:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • followup - seriously, this article was toslen from here, a site that was not even credited in this article. It is copied WORD FOR WORD from this site without any creditation. How can this be okay in the rules??? Smith Jones (talk) 20:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep since copyvio has been removed. I agree with consensus that high schools are notable. ('Am not nobody, I are a HS grad.') It is a meaningful threshold of significance. ~ Ningauble (talk) 00:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment I've tagged this as a speedy in case an admin doesn't happen to stumble across our little discussion :) Ged UK (talk) 20:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment - Contributer self identifies as sockpuppet of one blocked yesterday for numerous problematic contributions, but not for copyvio. ~ Ningauble (talk) 20:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Tan ǀ 39 17:11, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Glamarella[edit]

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    Completely non-notable wrestling duo. Article was speedy deleted and recreated. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 15:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete. Rjd0060 (talk) 01:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Eisenstern[edit]

    AfDs for this article:
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    Non-notable upcoming game based on notable game engine. Though Sauerbraten is notable in its own right in this case notability is not inherited. No third-party sources that assert notability. ZappyGun (talk to me)What I've done for Wikipedia 14:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
    Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MuZemike (talk) 19:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was no discussion here, but this is practically a speedy delete. Goldom ‽‽‽ 16:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Online Duel[edit]

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    Unsourced Internet protologism related to playing the Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game online. Prod removed by author. JuJube (talk) 14:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete, speedy deleted by Ian13 as it was an article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content that didn't assert the importance or significance of its subject. AngelOfSadness talk 14:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Dancing in heaven[edit]

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    Nonnotable albumn by a nonnotable person. Unreferenced and unverifiable. Evb-wiki (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    did you check itunes? because he's on there, and you can ask anyone on the isle of wight about him, they all know him, reverse this decision! COME ON YOU POUND! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antoniou92 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was speedy deleted by Allen3 (CSD G7). Non-admin closure. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Jordan tzambazis[edit]

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    Geogre's law, just a distant relation of someone notable. StaticGull  Talk  13:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. If there is subsequent interest in merging this material, feel free to contact me for a userfied version for such a purpose. Shereth 21:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Lehigh University Counseling and Psychological Services[edit]

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    No need for a seperate article about a service the university offers. Rewrite and merge. StaticGull  Talk  13:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    I have two arguments with this call for deletion. 1) This article was marked for deletion immediately (within one minute) after submitting to the Wikipedia community. This would not allow enough time to actually read the article and determine its worth. 2) User StaticGull noted "no need for a seperate article about a service the university offers." However, there is a precedent for listing seperate departments within a university when needed. For example, the Manilla College of Education at De La Salle University has an independent Wikipedia entry. --Weatherman41 (talk) 14:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Additional precedent: Lehigh University has individual pages for the building, athletic teams, faculty, and an a cappella group. --Weatherman41 (talk) 14:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment. Please read WP:OTHERSTUFF. This is not usually a compelling argument. Article subjects should be notable in their own right. justinfr (talk) 16:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. Minding systemic bias, but the album doesn't actually appear to exist, as it's unreleased. Black Kite 00:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Mshasho Mos![edit]

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    Unreleased album, fails WP:MUSIC; not notable without substantial coverage in reliable, third-party sources. None provided, none found. Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Whether this should be remade as a redirect or a dab page, is not for this AfD to decide. Shereth 21:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Data lock[edit]

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    This is a neologism which a quick google search doesn't support. It's a re-expression of a particular form of Vendor lock-in. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 13:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    comment - What other terms are you referring to? If there are other meanings to Data lock, shouldn't we have a disambiguation page then? The term is used in the context I linked above, and it is a valid search. Turlo Lomon (talk) 14:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was deleted (CSD G11) by Anonymous Dissident. NAC. Cliff smith talk 17:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Ck lingo[edit]

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    Not notable enough, can't speedy. Can only find blog entries except for the official website. StaticGull  Talk  13:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was deleted (CSD G3) by Orangemike. NAC. Cliff smith talk 17:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Flie[edit]

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    Flie is not a character in Victor Hugo's Les Misérables. A quick search on Google reveals nothing related to Les Misérables with the query "Flie" or "Flie Les Misérables". Plus, I personally have read Les Misérables and there is no mention whatsoever of this character, and User:Volga Burlak—who wrote on the discussion page for this article—agrees. Yvesnimmo (talk) 13:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    comment just to clarify- its the musical I'm more familiar with, not the book. Umbralcorax (talk) 16:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. Wizardman 16:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Karim Diane[edit]

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    This is a non-notable artist who's yet to record an album. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 13:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was keep. John254 00:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Redress (charitable organisation)[edit]

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    Non notable charity. No reliable sources cited. Some of the page appears to have come from an account with a conflict of interest. Prod removed by page creator without comment, article has stood with a ((notability)) tag for over a week. J Milburn (talk) 13:06, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    I created this article when I saw the organisation mentioned in the Torture article. I had not heard of them before but referenced their aims and details from their website which is given as a link. I have no conflict of interest, although they may have subsequently edited the article, most of these have been reverted. I cannot see the problem - regarding notability- they are supported by the UN, Oxfam and other emininent bodies and undertake extensive casework regarding torture survivors and are invoved with sponsoring a parliamentary bill. Many torture survivors would be interested in such a service which is not, to my knowledge provided elsewhere , especially not by the British Government, which supports the rioght of Saudi Arabia to torture its citizens even when innocent- see reference from

    www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/torture-britons-lose-bid-to-sue-saudis-482372.html --Streona (talk) 08:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Speedily deleted as blatant copyright violation, cut and paste of website essay. No better version in history. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Which is the oldest known Religion in the world?[edit]

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    Personal essay, full of original research, no references and hence verifiability. TrulyBlue (talk) 12:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. Shereth 21:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Beyond (cardgame)[edit]

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    Doesn't appear to be a notable card game, author has removed PRODs twice Wheelchair Epidemic (talk) 12:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was No consensus to delete. Article can be improved. Rjd0060 (talk) 01:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Allison_Miller[edit]

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    Non-notable

    This pornographic actress fails biographical notability requirements; she's never been nominated for awards, has been in limited and derivative films, ...

    Additionally, since she's now listed as retired from the profession, she is unlikely to make future award-winning films; if she does, we can re-create the article.

    There are several other unrelated Allison Miller articles on Wikipedia, the respective Allison Millers ALSO having been deleted, thus there is no no disambiguation page, leading to people believing those mainstream actresses or musicians are in fact the Venezuelan porn actress, which is undesirable as well. If the article is not deleted, either all those references should be deleted, or a disambiguation page should be added. (while this is less of an issue with many articles, it is genuinely difficult to tell in this case...I had to do substantial Internet research to determine there are at least 3 distinct Allison Millers in entertainment; in the case where one may be a porn star, and others are linked from children's productions, there should be some effort to disambiguate beyond that in many other cases...)

    Ryan (talk) 12:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Maybe we could make a dab or something Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 17:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, if we're going to do both the drummer and the mainstream actress, dab, but I don't think in any case the porn star is currently meeting the WP:BIO guidelines for notability. I'm pretty convinced the mainstream actress IS notable, but not sure either way on the drummer. Ryan (talk) 00:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was keep. John254 00:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Ghorewaha[edit]

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    Author removed prod template. Likely non-notable people group; I could not find any reliable secondary sources. Samuel Tan 11:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 17:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Nate Weiss[edit]

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    Footballer who has never played in a fully professional league, therefore failing WP:ATHLETE. Was prodded, but removed by article's creator. пﮟოьεԻ 57 11:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete, per WP:CRYSTAL, and snow. unannounced and unreleased Only objection is from article;s creator who hasn't provided a reason for keeping. TravellingCari 17:13, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Ecco II: Sentinels of the Universe[edit]

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    Contested prod. Article pretty much says it all-"unannounced and unreleased sequel to Defender of the Future that was discovered in an eBay auction." Fails WP:RS and WP:OR. Movingboxes (talk) 10:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Asking Fangsu, Why? Alexius08 is welcome to talk about his contributions. 11:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Doesn't matter, I like it isn't an argument for keep. -- Jelly Soup (talk) 19:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was merge to Peter Benjamin Graham. Shereth 21:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    New Epoch Notation Painting[edit]

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    This has been tagged for notability for a while. I cannot fathom how this is anything but original research: the references do not appear to be about the term itself, or an art movement per se. This is an essay. Even if notability were to be established, this would need to be completely rewritten to become encyclopedic. freshacconcispeaktome 10:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment It reads like an essay because I got criticism on the discussion page that it was too cryptic. I have used large sections of an essay published in the journals listed below. I have not yet added the in text references because I haven't finished rewriting it. I did not know that the essay writing style was bad. I am quite happy to rewrite it as soon as I get time to review the rules on writing style.
    Comment 'That 'library in Australia' is the Australian equivalent of the library of congress! If you feel it is OR then go ahead and verify the sources, but don't condemn this article based on unsubstantiated SPECULATION. All the references listed are legitimate and the material in the article is based on those references. No original research from unpublished sources is included. As far as notability is concerned, if hundreds of articles about porn stars are notable, then a page about a communication system should have no trouble. Philip1966

    *Delete Not only ((essay-like)) OR, but WP:COI, since it seems that the great bulk of edits to the article have come from Newepoch (an indefinitely banned account), two anon IP's in Victoria, Australia, and Philip1966, who appears to be the son of the system's originator. __Just plain Bill (talk) 10:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Changed to keep based on recent edits. It appears the principal editor is doing a decent good-faith job of keeping a bit of encyclopedic detachment from the subject; this article may in fact clean up nicely after all. __Just plain Bill (talk) 13:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment Yeah... well most articles are predominantly written by one person on here. I don't see how that is relevant.
    My newepoch account was banned because 'it seemed to be the name of an organisation'. I have used it as a web name for 15 years, but I could not be bothered contesting the ban, so I made a new account which sounded more like an individual person. I only tried to comply with the rules, I did not try to disguise my identity. I will contest the ban if it will make you happy, but none of this is relevant. Philip1966
    Comment User:Philip1966 would appear to be a sockpuppet of the permanently banned User:Newepoch, now you mention it... AlexTiefling (talk) 10:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment You say 'permanently banned' like I am a criminal, but as I said above someone decided they did not like my name. Again this is not relevant.Philip1966
    Comment yes, the User:Newepoch account was username blocked, he is allowed and encouraged to create a new account with a name that doesn't violate policy. TravellingCari 14:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment I intend to upload some Convenience links to solve the lack of on line reference material for NEA, but I am not superman. Philip1966
    Comment "It is not recommended to write an article about yourself. If you are notable, someone else will notice you and write the article."
    That's from Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest guideline. The New Epoch Notation article says the project is being "... continued by his sons Philip... and Euan..." so the self-reference is plainly there.
    As noted in the earlier AFD, some of this material would be appropriate as a section of the article on Peter Benjamin Graham.
    Comment This is fair criticism. It is easy for me to set up my own website and I am in the process of doing so, however I wanted to put what is already published to the Wikipedia test. I wanted to see how neutral I could be, to see if I have a core of verifiable material to build out from.Philip1966
    The article needs major cleanup to become an encyclopedic report of the technique as actually practiced. "Imagine, if you will..." leads on to a dreamscape speculation of what might come to be, but leads me to doubt that such a thing ever actually happened. As it now stands, that description is not exactly encyclopedic stuff. If it was copied from a journal article, credit needs to be given. It will also be useful to point out specific relevant parts of the Kandinsky and Gardner references. __Just plain Bill (talk) 14:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Kandinsky's Concerning the Spiritual in Art was published in 1911, and it's subject definitely isn't 1960s Australian art.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 21:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Kandinsky is referenced because NEA takes its name from a passage in his book Philip1966 (talk) 12:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Yes it does. And I can do this. I can even illustrate it because these 'dreamscapes' are in fact descriptions of actual events. NEA has been tested in the field over many years. The only trouble is I have very little published material to work with. I am trying very hard not to cross over into 'original research'. Philip1966
    Comment I have replaced sections 'The reality of New Epoch Art' and 'NEA Performance' with cited material more suitable for this encyclopedia. Philip1966 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.86.76 (talk) 11:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Just inserted more references but need to integrate them into article.Philip1966 (talk) 12:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment What kind of alarm bells? NEA is not the first human creation named in honor of a earlier person's work. I have listed three third party articles totally dedicated to NEA: those by Rebecca Lancashire, Dr. Loy Litchman, Deborah Stone. I intend to rewrite parts of the article to emphasize the content of these articles. The other third part material quite rightly places NEA into the context of Peter Graham's work as a whole. Where is the critical threshold for the number of third party references?Philip1966 (talk) 12:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment You need to use the right key words. This area suffers from a plethora of names because most of its advocates often worked in isolation. A major key word is Colour Organ. In 1996 I did a full literature review looking for related research and precedents for a painting notation. It took me 6 MONTHS to find a single direct reference but I found hundreds that skimmed around the idea. Since then two parallel examples of visual notation have come to light through exhaustive internet searching. Notability is not determined simply on the number of references in existence, let alone the number of electronic references. Notability is determined in part on a subjects relationship to major intellectual and creative streams that have existed over time. The concept of visual notation is strongly linked to the theoretical writings of the Constructionist movement, including Kandinsky, Klee, Mondrian, and De Stijl, Kinetic Art, Color Music, the early history of Music Visualization. The fact is there is also a consistent thread within theoretical art writing denying the possibility or practicality of a painting notation. Making these links is beyond the scope of this article, let alone Wikipedia because it involves a great deal of original historical research. In the short, the concept was on the radar, but for the wrong reasons. I have a strong argument that these streams of art remained marginalized in the west because of a lack of intellectual property to present in these art forms. This argument is related to the VHS BETA war in the 1980s in which the technically superior technology, Beta lost out because its backers failed to gain the license to distribute a competitive percentage of available back catalogue of movie titles. In short, a medium will 'fail' mass acceptance if it does not have access to existing media content. This issue is in itself notable. The safest approch I can think of is to place a lot this material into a 'further reading' list.Philip1966 (talk) 01:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Merge to Peter Benjamin Graham. I am not convinced that the topic is sufficiently notable to warrant a separate article, and it looks like there's a fair momentum to delete, but WP:N does not directly limit the content of articles and there's useful material here that should be saved. Also per WP:Bite, for what that's worth. Debate 14:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment What do I have to do. Upload the references verbatim onto Wikisource? Photocopy them and MAIL them in? Is their some kind of wiki law that says 'if its not on the internet it does not exist?'. If Wikipedia has an article on the Loch Ness Monster, it can have an article on NEA. I have listed three third party articles totally dedicated to NEA: those by Rebecca Lancashire, Dr. Loy Litchman, Deborah Stone. Two of these are from mainstream media publications. The third is in a minor but verifiable journal that is available in most state libraries through out Australia. Their catalogues are all on line. Given the nature of these sources I would suggest it is probable that notability can be established.Philip1966 (talk) 10:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not arguing that they must be on the Internet. There is, however, a fairly specific claim in the article that some of them are. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that checking the source provided will actually turn up those references. Are you arguing that it's irrelevant whether the articles are where they are claimed to be, or simply that my search skills are inadequate? If it's the latter then I'll willingly concede the point if the references can be found following more specific instructions. Debate 11:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    OK you've got me. I cross referenced my citations with the National Library of Australia's data base, and it gave me the on line sources. In my haste to complete my references I included the links. I shall remove the links. However I maintain that the existence of catalogue references to the INTERACTA journal should indicate it is probable that verifiability can be established. Philip1966 (talk) 11:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC).[reply]
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    The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Onion-Shell Reality[edit]

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    Undergrad "philosophy," unsourced and probable COI. In original version of article, there was a disclaimer that missing were "proper academic references, all of which I plan on contributing in the near future." When I opened conversation with creating editor on his talk page, they responded [[37]] with "what I put there will be saved for posterity, correct? Now I have more time to work on my thesis so it will be more likely to be published." Wikipedia isn't a place to put your ideas. Pure WP:OR Movingboxes (talk) 10:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was keep. John254 00:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    2009 V8 Supercar season[edit]

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    contains rumours or speculation, a template, but no actual confirmed information other than items saying there will be more information soon Falcadore (talk) 09:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    I guess then it's my mistake, first time I've nominated an article for AfD and I assumed PRODs counted. --Falcadore (talk) 13:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I aint an expert either but yes i think prods doesn't count. Monster Under Your Bed (talk) 13:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Seaside Chic[edit]

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    Article started life as a spam entry. Contested speedy. IP editor who removed speedy tag also removed the spammier content, leaving just a completely unreferenced neologism. Wikipedia isn't a dictionary for terms that also happen to be the names of stores. Movingboxes (talk) 09:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment If we could find documentation that the term even exists outside of the name of this store perhaps. Movingboxes (talk) 10:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment It seems to exist. See my updated text above. Johnrheavner (talk) 10:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment In the "inspired by the sea" sense described by the article? The article's definition is different that what I'm seeing at List_of_chics. Movingboxes (talk) 10:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment It is different, however of the same theme, which I suppose is seastuff. It's said above adequately, the term is highly a unreferenced neologism. Considering the link to the store was used originally, I think this is a fan of the clothing who developed her own definition to reference it. I'm new to Wiki contributing, so I'm not sure how common term-defining pages are accepted. It would seem to me List_of_chics should resolve this. Johnrheavner (talk) 10:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    CommentI'm pretty new myself! I personally would support redirecting this to List_of_chics without adding the unreferenced material to the actual list itself. Movingboxes (talk) 10:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Argentish[edit]

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    Original research, collection of Spanish sayings into English as if they were used in that non existent dialect. Mariano(t/c) 08:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    added information: there is no info on google on Argentish nor any "Argentine English" dialect. Spanglish is a verifiable dialect in USA, but there's simply not such thing in Argentina. There are people that speek English badly, but a collection of common mistakes doesn't sound Encyclopedic, specially if referred to as Argentish. Mariano(t/c) 09:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    OK thanks for explaining, withdrawn my comments. Justin talk 13:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Added: the collection of external links in the article is mostly bogus too. Most of them do not even point to or show anything corroborating the claims. -- Alexf42 12:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

    1. ^ [1] "Picketers"
    2. ^ [2] "dissapeared"
    3. ^ [3]"Pink House"
    4. ^ [4] "BA city"
    5. ^ [5]"Peronist"

    As you can see merely an older than a century newspaper can mirrors the truly traits of a society. please don't delete this one of our country: Argentina. Have a nice day all Carau(talk) 18:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    On the mention to the "Argentish"[1] expression I can assure you that is not "my invention" as you said, on latter URL I could found the only web example before the deleted article was built.

    Ok, your are right, those proper nouns are from English, English instead Argentine English so could you please affirm that proper nouns as "Peronist", "Rugbier"[2] are American or British English otherwise? All probably we would say that we are forgetting where Peron bore or where the River Plate is situated, undoubtedly the most historic and emotional resting meaning of these words do on the Argentine English speakers rather than on any other English speakers in the globe.

    One special instance there might be on the "disappeared" word [3] English word, by using the past participle tense, here in South America and specially in Argentina, has a profoundly relation in meanings with the dictatorship era; different would be the emotional and historic meaning of this word in the U.K. or U.S. cases.

    Probably there wasn't much of evidence available in web, but in my personal experience by interacting with Argentine English speakers --or we can say to not perturb you in your personal fight against the "Argentish"-- whom use those proper noun with an Argentine emotional linking, naturally where the widening in meaning becomes huge.

    Although isn't it an established dialect, an official one, this is in constant evolution within the Argentine society I do welcome this deletion with sorrowfulness and as a regretful fact either for all those people that enjoy learn and interact through English in Argentina.

    Shame on whom have "disappeared" this truthful contribution to the Argentine Culture. A truly evidence that some rules should be modified to avoid the Authoritarianism of some Wikipedians who hindered behind the "official" to restrict contributions of relative newer wikipendians as this contributor does, or should I to have needed lots of barnstar or languages colored credentials to make up some contribution? or worst: restrain others new user contribution.

    I do propose this obliterated article in a new category as one deleted by the "Wikipedian's Authoritarianism"

    Carau(talk) 18:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]



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    The result was delete. PhilKnight (talk) 11:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Marneus Calgar[edit]

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    Article about a character in the Warhammer 40,000 game. Fails WP:RS by relying on primary sources. -- JediLofty Talk to meFollow me 08:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    See also:



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    The result was Gone, blatant and obvious misinformation TravellingCari 13:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Thinh dong[edit]

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    Seems to be hopeful article written by 14 year old. Apparent hoax. Grahame (talk) 07:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete. per WP:SNOW Tim Vickers (talk) 15:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Ethiopian muscle syndrome[edit]

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    This is probably a hoax. A google search resulted in zero hits.[38] Prod removed without comment by author. Also, I noticed a typo in the title of the article after I created this page, so I'm going to move the AfD to the appropriate title. If the closing admin would delete the redirect to this AfD under WP:CSD#G6 that would be much appreciated. See [39]. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 06:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete --JForget 00:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    August Miklos Friedrich Hermann[edit]

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    No notability per WP:CSD#A7. IndulgentReader (talk) 06:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was WP:SNOW delete, or A7, or WP:IAR based on WP:BOLLOCKS, take your pick. No reason to keep this any longer. Tony Fox (arf!) 22:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Stephen J Rogers[edit]

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    Vanity autobiography, fails WP:BIO. None of the claims are verifiable, being linked to blogs, forums and such.  Sandstein  06:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was speedy delete for both reasons given here. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Olympic games 2008 conspiracies[edit]

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    Unencyclopedic, unsourced. Don't see how it is possible to improve this article to be in line with Wikipedia rules. If this article is needed, it would be easier to start a new article. Beagel (talk) 05:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete - I'd argue WP:ATTACK because of the unsourced accusations against Phelps for cheating. This is an op-ep piece. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Speedy Delete Copy vio of [40] front page. Turlo Lomon (talk) 05:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was redirect to Berlin-Tempelhof Airport. The planned closure of this airport is currently a big political issue in Berlin. I conjecture that this article was created as a result of that controversy.  Sandstein  17:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Rudolf Boettger[edit]

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    Non-notable military figure... was in charge of an airport during WWII, then killed himself... only reference made so far was a link to (and a one line mention in) the Berlin-Tempelhof Airport article, no other sources availabe online... prod was removed with the edit summary "This man was responsible for one great event in Second World War, we should not delete things. Lets wait for some more information about him."... only known for one event means he also fails WP:BIO1E... Adolphus79 (talk) 05:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was withdrawn by nominator. WJBscribe (talk) 02:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    A Shot at Love: The Hangover[edit]

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    Non-notable spinoff - the only ghits are mirrors and tv listings, no "real-world notability from reliable sources". Should be merged into A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila.

    Withdrawn. I'll merge it. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete per SNOW and the PROD contestion that said, t would be hard to improve this article due to the fact that the subject matter is so new and referensing the actual articles would difficult due to the fact that there are very few in existence. Seems to say it all. NFT covers newspapers of questionable existence as well. TravellingCari 17:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    The Sandstone Intelligencer[edit]

    The Sandstone Intelligencer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

    Patently non-notable. Proposed deletion contested on spurious grounds that notability cannot be established. Ningauble (talk) 04:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. PhilKnight (talk) 20:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1960s[edit]

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    Each individual year of number-one albums listed on this page has been given its own article. Classicrockfan42 (talk) 04:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Delete, closing this discussion early as consensus to delete per WP:SNOW and obvious misinformation (WP:CSD#3) that was outlined by the contribtuors of this discussion. AngelOfSadness talk 15:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Lil' King[edit]

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    Lil' King (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

    Subject is non-notable rapper that is full of weasel words and predictions. Most of it is unreferenced and in the future tense or--from what I can tell--outright made up. Google shows me nothing of Lil' King other than the usual myspace stuff. There have been a series of articles by User:Girlsalltheway2009 and User:Livinglifetoothefullest about this artist and related groups, all of which suffer from the same issues. The article The Best King Music Group is completely made up. (That one I have nominated for CSD but, since the prod tags have been removed from other articles in this series (example 1, example 2, example 3, I'll include it here too.) I'll add all of them to this nomination because they all fail WP:MUSIC and WP:CRYSTAL, and might be vandalism. Girlsalltheway2009 has a stated conflict of interest in the topic. justinfr (talk) 03:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

       :The Kingz Of Nature (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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    • Further, it appears the anonymous IP 24.155.200.56 is selectively inserting references to Lil' King (and somebody named Troy Rodriguez) into other articles (see his contributions for the full list of diffs--basically every one).I suggest this is further evidence of vandalism. The user uses tables and templates quite proficiently, suggesting it's a veteran user not a newbie. I'm going to suggest a checkuser and report him for disruptive editing if this continues. justinfr (talk) 04:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. You're right, the author is a sockpuppet. I've listed them all here. justinfr (talk) 14:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete and redirect. Rjd0060 (talk) 01:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Spiders in the Night[edit]

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    Fails WP:MUSIC#Songs and WP:RS. No coverage of the song. No charts. Delete or redirect to Bark at the Moon. Undead Warrior (talk) 03:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  17:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Europeade[edit]

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    Fails WP:N, WP:ORG. Google returns nothing of interest. Leonard(Bloom) 03:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    The CS and DE versions of the article include more information, including a list of locations for the past 40+ years (and SV has a photo). Be nice if someone could translate that into this page. -206.193.226.51 (talk) 17:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Tag as CSD (non-admin closure), Recreation of deleted material Leonard(Bloom) 03:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    EgoPHobia[edit]

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    Fails WP:N, WP:FICT, and WP:ORG. The original author certainly has a COI. Google returns nothing of use. Leonard(Bloom) 03:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete per WP:SNOW, WP:BLP - we don't need this debate to descend into satire. Guy (Help!) 22:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Monique Fuentes[edit]

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    Subject does not appear to meet the notability criteria of WP:PORNBIO. William's scraper (talk) 02:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was No consensus, default to keep - a temporary merger & redirect is easy enough to set up if any editor feels it is absolutely necessary.. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 08:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    This Is It and I Am It and You Are It and So Is That and He Is It and She Is It and It Is It and That Is That[edit]

    This Is It and I Am It and You Are It and So Is That and He Is It and She Is It and It Is It and That Is That (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

    Nice title, but no sources, except for ones verifing that it will be released. Still a ways off release-wise; WP:CRYSTAL. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirps • HELP) 02:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Speedy keep (non admin close) Beeblbrox (talk) 14:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Akasaka Sacas[edit]

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    As near as I can tell, this is just a neighborhood recreation center in Tokyo, and there are no reliable sources cited to establish it's notability. I tried to speedy it as a non-notable club, but another editor declined it with the very compelling reason "nope", so here we are. Beeblbrox (talk) 01:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Keep. Akasaka Sacas is a notable facility or an area where the TBS broadcasting center and other relating buildings stand (like Roppongi Hills), and a couple of major events hosted by TBS occur in a special place within the area. It is not like those huge parks where people just gather and do things. Also, I added additional citations for the information on the article to establish notability. --staka (TC) 02:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was delete. Goldom ‽‽‽ 16:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Jamie Fullerton[edit]

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    Seems like a minor player in a barely notable event. Google News Archives picks up a bunch false positives, with none pertaining to him. At most, he's a WP:BLP1E. Therefore, Delete. brewcrewer (yada, yada) 01:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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    The result was Redirect to WMYX-FM, I chose this target becauseit already had most of the info. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirps • HELP) 03:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Packarena[edit]

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    Only claim is that the song was played on the space shuttle Discovery. No reliable sources found. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirps • HELP) 04:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
    Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirps • HELP) 00:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was SNOW delete. bibliomaniac15 19:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Madden NFL 2010[edit]

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    Direct contradiction of WP:CRYSTAL, speculation - only source states it has not been confirmed Fin© 00:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete. Definitely exists, but barely could be considered a game. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Why delete it when the page is gonna be re created again petty soon. Ice (talk) 00:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    We don't create articles based on the fact that they will eventually warrant existing. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    This page is really not needed until some game details are released. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.47.209.8 (talk) 01:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    I'd just like to point out the source given in the article does not confirm it - it's based on speculation and explicitly says that it's not confirmed. Fin© 07:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Fine delete it then Ice (talk) 18:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Would you like some wine with that cheese? MuZemike (talk) 05:44, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Let's stay on point. I'm sure Icealien created the article in good faith. (Guyinblack25 talk 07:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]


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    The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  17:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Rastrapathi Road[edit]

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    Unnotable Indian road. No references or anything that can verify this as notable can be found. Tavix (talk) 00:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment With the existence of sources, I'll change my delete to a keep. Movingboxes (talk) 11:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll also make my comment a keep. Mostlyharmless (talk) 10:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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