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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Mathematical Formulas[edit]

This is a list that merely lumps together and explains formulas that alread exist elsewhere on wikipedia. Whoever started it only placed a few on, but if it were to enumerate every formula in the same manner it would become huge, unworkable, and entirely composed of content that exists elsewhere on the site. Indrian 00:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Curious. I'd say that Wikipedia is a collection of information. --LambiamTalk 09:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, the correct quote is: "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information". --Tango 11:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A typing error, my apologies. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 23:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Giving it a second thought, you're right. There are really no articles that would consist only of formulas. Maybe on Wikisource but not here. --Tone 21:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedy delete per CSD:G7 (article was blanked by only author). I'm not going to create a redirect from this typo to anywhere, but I have created Yokota Air Base Friendship Festival to redirect to Yokota Air Base, and marked ((R with possibilities)). Stifle (talk) 11:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yokota Air Base Friendship Festiival[edit]

Short, unencyclopedic article with misspelled title referring to a local event created by User:Picturetokyo, whose only other contributions have been links to the user's own site Ianb 00:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry guys i dont know how this works. I would like to make the page better and i have lots more content and pictures i could add for it. I just thought that people would like to know more about it.--Picturetokyo 09:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also have 2 images starting out i would like to add.

[1] [2]--Picturetokyo 09:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep. AmiDaniel (talk) 06:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All Points Bulletin[edit]

Could this ever be more than a dicdef? Chick Bowen 00:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- *Delete and move to Wiktionary I can't see it as being more than a Wiktionary entry.*User:Mikereichold | User_talk:Mikereichold 23:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in the same position you are, honestly. I know it's something that could get a lot of traffic, I just don't know how to make it any more than what it is now. The Mexico incident is interesting, but it seems an awfully small point to pin an article on. Maybe if there's some verifiable history out there, or enough interesting notes and links to give people a starting point. If not . . well, it' just kind of sitting there. Consequentially 01:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was speedy deleted. Mailer Diablo 04:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NAADUC[edit]

Original research, if not patent nonsense. Stormie 01:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Looks bogus, unencyclopedic.--The ikiroid (talk)(Help Me Improve) 01:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedied G1. Tawker 05:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

National Array for the Abatement of Drugs and Underage Consumption[edit]

Original research, if not patent nonsense. Stormie 01:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Looks bogus, unencyclopedic.--The ikiroid (talk)(Help Me Improve) 01:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Isobel (song)[edit]

This page links to nothing else, and it is a song that did not reach any charts. Non-notable The ikiroid (talk)(Help Me Improve) 01:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Montemarano[edit]

non-notable -- few hits on 'net &#0149;Jim62sch&#0149; 01:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree - the band might barely be notable, but the individual members not. As a whole they might be worth one article, but might still not be worth 2. --Tango 11:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Webmama[edit]

It's a PR piece, PROD contested by article writer. FCYTravis 01:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 10:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Grand Lodges recognized by the Regular Grand Lodge of England (RGLE)[edit]

The main article: Regular Grand Lodge of England had been deleted. So should this list page that derives from it. Wikipedia is not a) free web space b) propaganda c) original research d) an indiscriminate collection of information or a junk yard. . Delete and protect Blueboar 01:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Their own website is suspect, so how can it then be considered a verifiable source? Ardenn 02:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 10:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

South Arabia Campaign[edit]

A stub about a military campaign in a place where no military operations took place, telling us just that. Frankly useless, in my opinion; should we have articles about all the other places and circumstances where fighting didn't happen? Kirill Lokshin 01:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 04:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dead city records[edit]

Label shows no bands that meet WP:Music guidelines, and draws few (no more than ten) Google hits, and that includes its own website and MySpace links. Recommend delete. Consequentially 01:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was ((deletagain)). Mailer Diablo 04:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wanda Canty[edit]

Seems non-notable, and seems to be written as a campaign advertisement. If she wins, then she'll be notable. (Or if evidence turns up that these books she's written are notable) Allen 01:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete all. Mailer Diablo 10:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Le-Surf[edit]

This and other articles nominated below are part of a larger group of articles relating to councillors and candidates in Brentwood, Essex, England, seen at Category:Brentwood. I would happily nominate all of them other than those who have been leaders of the Council or are otherwise notable. The presence of the first few seems to spawning POV articles essentially reproducing election biographies, and could get too much to handle.

However, those which I am nominating now are just those of losing candidates - they have not held public office and no wider notability beyond local campaigning is asserted. We cannot have hundred of articles on failed local politicians on top of articles on every successful one. Perhaps the other articles can be considered individually.

Mtiedemann 02:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment, actually, I think they could be speedied per CSD:A7, as they fail WP:BIO for political figures: Political figures holding international, national or statewide/provincewide office or members of a national, state or provincial legislature. and Major local political figures who receive significant press coverage. -- ReyBrujo 05:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom. I would speedy them, but I think that being a failed candidate is a claim of notability which would prohibit speedy deletion. TheProject 07:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The election was on 4 May, so it's all over for the year. Mtiedemann 08:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not all constituencies have elections at the same time, have all elections for the articles in question been held? StephenN 13:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Local elections are always on the first Thursday in May unless there is a by-election. I think that Brentwood is on a three-year cycle and next year is their year off, with elections for the Essex County Council level instead, so it would be two years until these seats are contested again, but that needs checking. Mtiedemann 00:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 10:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Onishi Satrou[edit]

Can find no references to a Japanese war criminal named Onishi Satrou (or Onishi Satoru). David Kernow 02:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was speedy delete per A6. TheProject 23:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Fogel[edit]

Vilification page only. Possible libel. Remove it --Light current 02:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Delete; this is something that is already handled using redirects.  RasputinAXP  c 13:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Operas by original title and English title[edit]

It seems to me like this article is pointless. If you want to note the original title of an opera, it should be on the article for that opera. Quite why anyone would want to look at a simple list of operas with their original titles, I don't know. I think my problem then is that this is too idiosyncratic to be encyclopedic mgekelly 02:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead and do it then. mgekelly 04:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, good to know. :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I don't see how this is helpful. If you are looking for an opera, you can look up the specific page of that opera and find out its alternative title. If you look at a single coposer's page too, that would normally have the original and translated titles of all major works. mgekelly 03:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was that as very few people want these articles to exist separately (and the consensus cited on the talk page for the split is rather underwhelming, consisting of "Why don't we..?" and "Yeah, I'll do that"), both redirected to All your base are belong to us. If any more examples are wanted for that article, follow the redirects back. --Sam Blanning(talk) 08:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of "All your base are belong to us" computer and video game references, List of "All your base are belong to us" print and electronic references[edit]

These entries are indiscriminate collections of information. Brian G. Crawford 03:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 10:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notre Dame High School (Harper Woods, Michigan)[edit]

Nonnotable, and now-closed, high school -- WP can't and shouldn't list all the closed 50-yr-old high schools in the USA NawlinWiki 03:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If they are the centre of a major scandal and uproar, with lawsuits, allegations of illegal close-downs and financial shenanigans, and all that, and involvement of major celebrities to boot, why not? LambiamTalk 10:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly the problem. Does controversy make something notable? Do lawsuits and celebrities establish notability? Those, I think, are the real questions being discussed here, not whether this article deserves to stay. This will have probably an impact on AfD's to come, so I'm watching this. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 22:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: it is established that high schools and up are notable. M1ss1ontomars2k4 22:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
'High school'? What definition of high school are you using? What about countries that don't use the term? Please remember this is a global encylopaedia. Markb 07:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I dunno, whatever is analagous to a U.S. high school, I guess. Are there countries that speak English but don't call a high school a high school? BTW, does secondary school count as high school? Then secondary schools should be immediately notable too. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 17:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedied A7. Tawker 05:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zoganas[edit]

Vanity page. The page has very little content and poorly identifies the subject. Clubmarx | Talk 03:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was speedy delete. TheProject 04:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

splinter dice[edit]

notability, no hits on Google or Yahoo KsprayDad 03:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was no consensus for deletion or merge. --Sam Blanning(talk) 08:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Irish Railway Bibliography[edit]

Just a list of books, possibly cut-and-paste from an electronic catalogue. Tagged for wikify and clean-up, which I've made a start on, but seems unlikely it could ever develop into anything encyclopedic.➨ ≡ЯΞDVΞRS≡ 13:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

James_Pojman[edit]

Non-notable bio, borders on adcruft. One hit on Google, and all links point to his business website. --ES2 15:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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*Weak Delete, unless someone can verify that his book sold enough copies. -- ReyBrujo 05:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Changing my vote to Userfy, since the creator of the article is the main topic of the article. -- ReyBrujo 00:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Summer Dying[edit]

nn-band, "experienced a good deal of local and some moderate regional success" only Spearhead 21:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete and redirect to flood. Mailer Diablo 11:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flood Damage[edit]

A very faint whiff of notability under WP:BAND but very faint. Enough for me to divert from speedy to here just in case, anyway. ➨ ≡ЯΞDVΞRS≡ 22:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was merge. I'm not doing it myself, however, as I don't know which game should go in which list. A lot of the games are already in one or the other, but not all. Merge tags added. --Sam Blanning(talk) 11:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Freely downloadable game software[edit]

This page is a fork of List of open source games and List of freeware games created by an anon IP from the 86.* IP block. The reason given was that "there's really no reason why people should have to look at 3 different articles because of legal technicalities. To the vast majority of people, a "free game" is something that can be downloaded and played for free." [4] This is contrary to Wikipedia:Content forking and WP:NOT (in that Wikipedia is not a links directory). It is also impossible to keep in sync with the original lists. So, it should be deleted. — Saxifrage ✎ 23:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paintball-Net[edit]

This was a "graphical MUD" that has not existed for 6 years. No independent/reliable sources. No indication of meeting WP:WEB or WP:SOFTWARE. The only thing the game's website says is, "Paintball Net is coming..." and it has an Alexa rank of 3,365,697. I am recommending delete. --Hetar 04:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedy delete as patent nonsense, intentional hoax/vandalism, etc. Stifle (talk) 00:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spankles[edit]

Wikipedia is not a dictionary; prodded, but contested. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 04:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Feminist imperative[edit]

Original research. The article gives one external link as a source, and that link is broken. "Feminist imperative" gets 136 google hits, most of which do not seem to be about the definition of "feminist imperative" given in the article. Thus my suspicion that this was original research was confirmed. Delete Catamorphism 04:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was After doing some googling and finding the special issue of Management Today, keep.  RasputinAXP  c 13:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Caroline Plumb[edit]

Non notable, fails WP:BIO. Also, I want to mention that the creator of the page, Charlieosmond (talk · contribs), appears to be Charlie Osmond, co-funder of FreshMinds with her [5], thus I believe it can also be considered vanity. ReyBrujo 04:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Keep, passes WP:CORP and information is easily verified.  RasputinAXP  c 14:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FreshMinds[edit]

The company seems to fail WP:CORP for both companies and services.Also, note that the original creator of the article, Charlieosmond (talk · contribs), appears to be the co-funder of FreshMinds [6], and is also the creator of Caroline Plumb's article, the other co-funder of the company, and about Business research, the main topic of his company. I qualify this as vanity, hidden advertisment, or both. ReyBrujo 04:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was keep.  RasputinAXP  c 14:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

James Charles Prevost[edit]

non–notable person . — CRAZY`(IN)`SANE 04:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete, apparently the author just wanted to remove a red link from Fairfax Moresby. NN. -- ReyBrujo 05:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Changing vote to Keep per Dlyons493. Please add those references to the article, and put as many expand tags to it as possible. -- ReyBrujo 00:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedy keep as withdrawn. Kotepho 23:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Death of Ke-ao-ua Ke-kua-oka-lani[edit]

The creating user doesn't exist anymore. No edits were made by the user aside from the act of creation. There are no references. If referenced, I would suggest merging it into the History of Hawaii or some such article, but in this case, I think deletion is the best idea. Xaxafrad 05:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC) *Delete if nobody can provide references. The article is not being linked from any other relevant article in Wikipedia. -- ReyBrujo 05:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Changing my vote to Weak Keep, the article still needs to be linked from other Wikipedia articles. -- ReyBrujo 13:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's done. Take a look. Dang it, I should have been doing something else :) Zora 11:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you be more specific as to what is required? Zora 12:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I also suggest to speedy close as nominator has retracted. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. AndyZ 15:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Monkey News[edit]

Relisting as original nominator didn't do it correctly. This is an obvious delete. Aplomado - UTC 05:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't do it correctly because I can't create pages. Anyway, it's blatently obvious as to why you'd want to remove it. --69.145.122.209 05:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As long as you're here, would you mind listing this vanity page as well? Sorry, I hate that anon Ip's can't do this. --69.145.122.209 05:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why not just get an account? Aplomado - UTC 05:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure, actually. I know I will at some point, I've just never gotten around to it. --69.145.122.209 05:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ਵਲਕਿਕ ਲੁਤ[edit]

Left untranslated after two weeks. Discussion from WP:PNT follows:

The language of this article is unknown. --Nationalparks 05:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is Punjabi. Kirbytime 09:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Any idea what it's about? Grandmasterka 20:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, I don't speak Punjabi. In any case, when I google it, the only results that come up are the Wikipedia artcle. So, it seems like it isn't notable. Delete. ĶĩřβȳŤįɱéØ 04:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So yeah. Delete. Grandmasterka 05:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, there is. Maybe someone there can tell us what this is? Grandmasterka 05:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. I wonder why I couldn't find it. In that case, I would change to a Delete and Move to Punjabi Wikipedia.--ĶĩřβȳŤįɱéØ 07:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sarfaroshi Ke Tamanna[edit]

Left untranslated at WP:PNT for three weeks. Here is the discussion:

The language of this article is not known to me. --71.28.250.126 19:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently some song lyrics in some language of India? Kusma (討論) 19:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should probably be deleted. Grandmasterka 05:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Fails WP:CORP and/or WP:WEB.  RasputinAXP  c 14:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

EyeSpot[edit]

Self-promo page to a for-profit company that was started in only 2005. No pages link to this. Clubmarx | Talk 05:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do not Delete. This is a factual article about a valid company offering a valid service in an emerging area of technology. The Wikipedia offers a disservice by denying a factual entry such as this one. -- frankatca 12:00 EDT, 6 May 2006

  • Wikipedia is not many things: not a search engine, not a index of "new-and-exciting" technologies, and not an advertising forum. Delete as failing WP:CORP. -- MarcoTolo 18:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedy keep, belongs at WP:MFD.. --Hetar 16:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hammerfist0[edit]

User is perminintly banned -- Heltec 05:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was redirect. Kusma (討論) 16:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Erie problem[edit]

There is already an article on the Erie doctrine, thus the page is an unnecessary duplicate. --Eastlaw 05:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was merge into Jim Baen. - Liberatore(T) 18:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Baen's UNIVERSE[edit]

Google search yields a good number of hits, but it appears that vast majority are "you can buy this magazine here" links. Delete (but if kept, should be renamed to "Jim Baen's Universe," as it does not appear to be capitalized "UNIVERSE" in these links). --Nlu (talk) 05:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forsaken Archive[edit]

Fails to establish notability Dismas|(talk) 05:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dome Dogs[edit]

While not utter nonsense, there is no assertion made as to the notability of Dome Dogs, nor any sources listed for the global warming claim. Dismas|(talk) 05:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why this article should be deleted. Everything in it is factual. None of it is lies. It is simply a parody on the global warming issue. It will be enhanced with charts and photographs in the near future..it is just a neat parody ofthe global warming issue for people to enjoy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hobbitballer (talk • contribs)


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The result of the debate was merge into Box Car Racer (album). I'm merging with the album rather than the band article -- No Guru 19:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I Feel So[edit]

There is no reason to have this article up and the text isn't relevant and it hasn't been cleaned up at all showing lack of interest on the article. Myxomatosis 04:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was merge into Box Car Racer (album). I'm merging contnet into the album article rather than the band one -- No Guru 19:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There Is[edit]

There is no relevant reason to have the article and no one has posted any information on the single. Myxomatosis 06:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Luigi30 (Taλk) 18:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Di-dehydroepiandrosterone[edit]

Article on a seemingly non existant chemical, containing an (admittedly effective) OR debunk of a bogus product. Count the policy failures... WP:V, WP:NOR etc. Delete. Rockpocket (talk) 07:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OR debunk of a bogus product. a pity that wikipedia is not a OR-BSS. Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 09:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The problem as i see it, is that even though i do not doubt it, there is no verifiable source that says it is fake. So if we take the OR out we have just the claims of the Pherlure people. Yet there is no verifiable source that says it is real, so we take that out and we have nothing! The only policy justification for it staying is if it is a notable hoax that deserves an article, but i can find no verifiable source mentioning it as a hoax either. Rockpocket (talk) 18:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Although arguing to keep, Psage's reasoning is, paradoxically, a textbook justification for deletion per WP:V. Rockpocket (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend to restart the AfD and require every voter to provide information on his expertise. Pavel Vozenilek 20:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment To be clear, WP:NOR says: "In order to avoid doing original research... it is essential that any primary source material, as well as any generalization, analysis, synthesis, interpretation, or evaluation of information or data, has been published by a reputable third-party publication" Jahat's material is clearly an evaluation of information, but he cannot source a reputable third-party publication, hence it is OR. As for restarting the Afd, surely the closing Admin can simply evaluation the value of each editor's justification before making a decision. A vote is pretty meaningless without a reason. Rockpocket (talk) 23:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's perfectly obvious if one clicks on the links that what I state is the case. This is a fraud with fake sites set up to promote a study that never happened. The people behind this are very aggressively defrauding people with a type of fraud that resembles phishing in some ways in that fake sites are being created. When people come to Wikipedia looking to see what di-dehydroepiandrosterone is, they should be able to find the information that it is a fake. There is nothing unverifiable in what was posted, and the authorities again are Medline and Google. --Jahat 02:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It appears you are the only one that wishes to keep this non-sense on here (possibly for personal or business reasons). Wikipedia is not a place for articles about substances that can not be confirmed to exist and can not be rebuted not to exist. That is not only my reasoning, but also Wiki policy WP:V, WP:NOR.--Sweetb 4:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Comment article verifies that the sites are fake. But if the alternatives are no entry for this fake product, or an entry which links to the fake articles with no comment, giving people the impression that it's real, then I'd rather see the article deleted. Wikipedia should be giving people helpful information, not aiding frauders. --Jahat 22:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Showing lack of search results by google does not verify a site is fake. If you know how to properly search a site for it's pages, you will see that both referenced sites you claim are fake do have pages that exist, but are NOT shown in Google search results. This should serve as a fine example that lack of search results in Google, does not indiciate anything other than lack of search results in Google. It also shows that the edits are mistaken and clearly not from a WP:NPOV. I would agree that it should be deleted if there is no clear verification if the substance exists or clear verification that the substance does not exist.
Page on Ihealthjournal.com that is NOT Google listed:
http://www.ihealthjournal.com/findinformation/hormonecenter/alcohol3521-003.html
Page on wondersinscience.com that is NOT Google listed:
http://www.wondersinscience.com/archives/2006/0111/grogginess.html
--Sweetb 00:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For some reason my comments were deleted, but it is necessary to mention that the extra pages were added to these sites SINCE the discussion on this page began on Wikipedia, and are possibly a response to the discussion, attempting to undermine the basis for stating that the sites in question are fake. --69.3.233.183 07:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I pointed out the pages that already existed. If you understand the way Googlebot works, you'll understand that there are millions of pages on the internet not indexed by Googlebot. This does not mean that "they do not exist" or "are fake", it simply means they are not spidered by Googlebot. --Sweetb 09:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at these sites several weeks ago, and they had no other pages in evidence other than the homepage and the articles on this imaginary chemical. Other pages gave a message claiming that a login was necessary. Why should the pages containing the fake study reference have no login but the other pages all require a login? Probably because there were no other pages until this whole sham was exposed. --69.3.233.183 09:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - In accordance with OTRS ticket number 2006051110012197. Factual errors and non-verifiability, plus it contains weasel words. Wikipedia is not the place for soapboxes:

— Bastique▼parlervoir 15:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was merge to List of Weebl and Bob cartoons and redirect or delete. Arguments to delete overweigh. --Ezeu 10:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bull (Weebl and Bob episode)[edit]

The handful of Weebl and Bob episode articles that exist are short, lean towards fancruft, and lack notability. (An article for the series is fine. Even a list of episodes is tolerable. But individual articles?) My mass prodding was undone by serial de-prodder Kappa, so I now take it to the people. Deltabeignet 07:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following articles for reasons highlighted above:
  • Hairy (Weebl and Bob episode)
  • Pie (Weebl and Bob episode)
  • Jelly (Weebl and Bob episode)
  • Jazz (Weebl and Bob episode)
  • Donkey (Weebl and Bob episode)
  • Piepod (Weebl and Bob episode)
  • Paper (Weebl and Bob episode)
  • History 8
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cellchainz[edit]

This is an advertisement for a product and company, both which are not notable and of no contribution to this encyclopedia. Beltz 08:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was merge. --Ezeu 11:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moving associations[edit]

This article consists of nothing but a directory of links, possibly for the purposes of advertising. I am also nominating the following pages liked to by the original article for the same reason:

I have decided not to nominate IATA, also linked from the above article, since it actually contains content of merit. Tjohns ✎ 08:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:Check if they are locally/nationwide, and of international interest. I believe you should not nominate them for deletion, rather merge links/info into one entry. Probably people search for this information. Associations are not neccessarily selling anything to customers. Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 09:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was:Delete Prodego talk 17:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh teh noes[edit]

I dont believe it to be usefull, do we ealy need a article about a silly phrase such as that? Matthew Fenton (t) 08:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep without prejudice to proposals to move to "Japanisation" or "Japanization". Metamagician3000 11:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nipponisation[edit]

highly biased - neologism rarely used in french (¹internet search shows usage within french), should not be used for political reason. Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 09:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It belongs to a dictionary of neologisms, and is not expandable above a list of usage of the word Nipponisation. It is possible to understand it on its own. *-ISATION words are not very much used in spoken language, neither in scientific language (except for scientific purpose: poly-mer-isation. this it where it comes from). I believe nowadays not much nipponization takes place, and it is not good way of using language. My POV. I also believe americanization shifts explanation to nationality, and should not be used. User:Akidd_dublin 9 may 2006
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ADM Studios[edit]

Clearly written as an advertisement (and flagged as such). However, there is a minor claim to notability (produced two games). I am unable to determine the notability of this company, so I will defer to others on this issue and abstain from the AfD for now. The forum on the company website does not look particularly active. Adm studios is a redirect page, and on the same day an anon added an entry at the disambig page ADM; there are otherwise no incoming links. BillC 08:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was keep. The note about Google Scholar was particularly noteworthy; it's true that WP:NOT a dictionary, but there's a strong feeling here, and well-argued, that this article could be more than just a dictionary definition. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 12:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cocacolonization[edit]

term not widely in use - term moved to Wiktionary:List_of_protologisms. difficult to spell. "Today, McDonaldization, Disneyfication, and Swooshification are the phrases that capture the fears of a growing monoculture." - political biased information, not wikipedia data. By the way: "Swooshification" - who says that (sounds creepy)? more "the age of nike". I do not see a need to list such words here. They really need a hudge fanbase (like ghey).

Comment This debate is not about those terms, dont confuse people with things you just made up, as opposed to terms that are verifiable The comment was not originally in this position or form, hence the comment. Ansell 10:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Verifyable - 94 hits are not very. 470 are a bit more. 416,000 hits are verifyable evidence of something. comment moved here Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 11:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good, Can you list them into the article? Otherwise see Weasel words - "several university professors". Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 11:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete both articles. Mailer Diablo 16:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zombie mutant ninjas II[edit]

Delete non-notable amateur film made by some high-school friends. Prod removed without comment. Gwernol 09:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because its the sequel:

Gwernol 09:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result of the debate was keep - Liberatore(T) 18:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MET-ART[edit]

Advertisement Dismas|(talk) 09:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was userfy - Liberatore(T) 18:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Main Cowz[edit]

NN bio or NN web site, take your pick. Dismas|(talk) 10:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rudy Galinda[edit]

Likely hoax. Google search shows no relevant entries. Punkmorten 10:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rykoff Sexton[edit]

Likely hoax. Google search shows no relevant entries. Punkmorten 10:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ASSETOnline/[edit]

Deprodded and moved here; original prod reason was "Not notable." I'll remain neutral myself, I just think that notability doesn't apply to every possible topic, and some people might disagree with deleting this page. Mangojuicetalk 11:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was keep and expand. The subject of this article obviously has some notoriety as a Liberal candidate for the House of Representatives, and there's scads of online stuff about him, including transcripts of ABC radio broadcasts on Radio National and notices about his practice on the NSW Law Society website. --Tony Sidaway 23:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Irfan Yusuf[edit]

nn lawyer/politician/blogger, prod removed without comment by new user Tango 11:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are 150 Divisions of the Australian House of Representatives. I'm not sure how many major parties they have, but there must be at least 2, so that means at least 300 people are endorsed by a major party at each election - are they all notable just because of that? Had he won, then maybe, but the article just says he stood, so I'm assuming he lost (it would have said so if he'd won). --Tango 15:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That said, I only vote delete if I feel something needs do be deleted. I dont believe that someone who could be searched should necessarily be deleted. The current article does not exactly spell out his notability, however, the (accursed) google search does reveal his influence in australian politics is actually more than it seems at first glance. [12] Ansell 23:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've only read the first 2 pages, and even then just the extracts, but none of those pages seem to be about his political career. Looks like more of a legal writer to me. Possibly a notable one, but the article needs serious work if it's worth keeping at all. --Tango 23:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting does not mean notable. A large number of his google hits seem to be his own writing. Also, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball - we should have an article on him once he becomes important, not in anticipation of it. --Tango 12:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like a definition of important. Some people are putting a lot of effort into writing articles about railway stations in Melbourne, not railway stations in general, or even the busiest, or most architectually interesting, but every single railway station. The balance of importance seems to lean pretty heavily towards unimportant here, and to be honest I don't mind that at all. A paper encyclopedia is limited by the cost of production and pure size, constraints that sure do still apply here but to knowhere the same degree. A good thing. Someone thinks he is important enough to write an entry, he is in public life in this country, so I still say keep him, untill such time as the server is full, and we have to start deleting stuff. --Michael Johnson 12:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is a risk of setting a precedent if we keep unimportant living people that doesn't exist so much for railway stations. This person is no more notable than 100s of other minor public figures - do we want articles on all of them? His claim to fame seems to be that he's a political activist that writes the odd article. Is that really enough? --Tango 13:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you can find a reliable source for that, it could actually make an interesting article... --Tango 11:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if a 1.1% swing to his party really counts as a swing though. The following election had a larger swing to Liberal, who still lost. [13]--Scott Davis Talk 15:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, but are all political candiates notable? As I said above, there are at least 300 candidates in each election. --Tango 16:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the candidates of the large parties are, even if they don't have a good chance of getting elected. The "tokeness" of a Muslim conservative can actually contribute to one's notability. Of course I respect if you have different opinions, many of the items here are really border cases. Regards, gidonb 16:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that token candidates are probably more notable than other candidates, but standing in an election and losing is a single act that doesn't really effect anything. Were it a major position you were standing for (President or something) then the election campaign is notable in itself, but a single seat in a parliament is rarely newsworthy during a campaign, it's the leaders of the party that do all the big talks and things. This is rather a general issue, though, so prehaps we should have a proper discussion on the requirements for a politian to be notable (unless one has already taken place, of course - I'll go look). --Tango 16:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A root approach vs. a branch approach is always a good idea! Regards, gidonb 19:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forumco[edit]

Reads as an add Francisco Valverde 11:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was} delete; if someone is interested in creating List of political sex scandals of the United States by POV-removing the article (adding all Democrat scandals) and fact-checking all entries in this list, I'll be more than happy to undelete the content and made it available to him/her in his/her userspace. - Liberatore(T) 19:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Republican sex scandals[edit]

Delete - Do Not Merge or Rename non encyclopedic list & as per Deville below Strothra 11:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I removed the ((see)) tag, because having a link only to Republican sex scandals makes Political scandals of the United States POV. However, if this article were to be kept in a form that covers both parties, it would be quite logical to restore the tag. NatusRoma | Talk 01:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

:I would concur with the idea of creating List of political sex scandals of the United States since there are plenty of sex scandals on both sides of the aisle but I'm not voting to keep this one if I'm going to advocate the creation of a new article. --Strothra 19:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC) Changed my mind as per other comments on this discussion in favor of deletion which I had not thought of. --Strothra 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is what categories are for. Some of the names on this list do not have their own articles, meaning they are probably not notable enough; some sources do not meet WP:RS. Some are not really scandals at all but examples of what the left would like to think of as hypocracy (as if Democratic sex scandals are excusable because Democrats don't claim to be moral). Delete the article and create a category for U.S. political scandals. Those scandals which are notable and verifiable per policy can have articles, which can be included in the category. To satisfy NPOV, the category should be non-partisan. Thatcher131 20:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was The ayes have it. keep. --Tony Sidaway 23:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Business Lady[edit]

Seems nn to me Metros232 11:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:MUSIC says this about bands in terms of labels:
Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
I don't think "Hello Asshole Records" and "Half Alder Press" qualify as important indie labels. I don't see any place on the notability standards that this band hits. Metros232 21:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And don't forget Pacific Rock Records. --Osbus 13:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a record label which gets about 100 Google hits and lists about 8 albums as being released by them. Not a particularly notable indie label. Metros232 13:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: WP articles are always high up on a google search.
Not all. --Osbus 13:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Well put this in the article with a verifiable source and that'd help the article's cause since that's one of the standards of notability for bands. Metros232 16:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Speedy delete per CSD:A7. Stifle (talk) 23:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CATCHpenny[edit]

Aside from working with a notable producer or two, nothing stands out about this band Metros232 11:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard of these guys (I'm in the same business, same city...) I doubt they're notable per WP:MUSIC though. Delete per nom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grandmasterka (talk • contribs) .
Comment The Bon Jovi Battle of the Bands appears to have been a one-time event to find an opening act for a Bon Jovi show in Madison, Wisconsin in November 2005 [22]. I don't know if this particular segment on ESPN's X-Games is a particularly notable segment. But from the sound of it, it's not like it was the theme song or anthem of the entire X-Games, but rather, just mixed in during some highlights or something. Metros232 02:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was

The result of the debate was Speedily deleted by Tregoweth as patent nonsense, and WP:SNOW applies here too. Stifle (talk) 12:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tunday[edit]

I have refactored some of the longer comments from here to the talk page to reduce the amount that people viewing the day's AFD have to scroll through. This is not an assertion that those comments are worse or less important, merely an effort to aid readability. Please place long comments on the talk page. No keep/delete recommendations have been moved. Stifle (talk) 15:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything about this "holiday" anywhere online Metros232 11:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, no, it's not online at the moment because it's quite new and not many people have heard about it yet outside of Lancashire. It definately isn't a hoax. Ed22882 12:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, wait a second, my reasons were to keep it not to delete it!--Ed2288 14:35, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

comment that may well be, but your reasons simply underlined why this subject is not notable. IrishGuy 14:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Your reasons ("quite new", "not many people have heard about it") made it perfectly clear why it should be deleted. Fan1967 14:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Now what"? The now-speedied Tit monday. perhaps (which does have a respectable number of Ghits)? Tonywalton  | Talk 14:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DON NOT DELETE If you look at the discussion page for the Tunday article then u'll find that there are those who have heard of it out there... (comment refactored to talk page, posted by Guitar6strings at 15:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]


I'd just like to add that people are now telling blatant lies in order to get the article deleted, eg User:Athenemiranda on the Tunday discussion page. These lies undermine the whole argument for the deletion of the article.--Ed2288 18:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the talk page. Athenemiranda didn't claim to speak with you personally, so how can you say it didn't happen? Beyond that, it is irrelevant because this subject remains non notable. IrishGuy 18:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ok, i am trying and ne1 celebrators out there PLEASES! help me cite sources for the article. But just sumthing away from the topic, im at college not in skool.--Guitar6strings 18:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

--Dontrileme 22:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I, too, am shocked. Shocked that so many people with brand spanking new accounts keep finding this AfD just to post long screeds about how important it is. IrishGuy 23:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Note that Anthony Langdon's book Lesser Known Traditions of England and Wales is not listed in the online catalogs of the British Library, the Oxford University Libraries, or the Library of Congress, nor is it on sale at Amazon.co.uk or Amazon.com. --Metropolitan90 02:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment nor is any relevant-looking Anthony or Antony Langdon, nor the title of the alleged book (as both "Lesser known…" and "Lesser-known…") found by a search by the dogpile.com metasearch engine. It seems there's a problem of verifiability. Again. I wonder if Wikipedia:WikiProject Neopaganism can throw any light on this alleged Druidic ceremony (which sounds deeply suspect, whatever "the ritual was preformed on the hour of the calendar day of the subsequent number of the month of the subsequent number” is supposed to mean). Tonywalton  | Talk 10:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, I have found evidence of the roots of Tunday in Eric Rondel's "Chroniques Paysannes Legendes, Traditions et Superstitions". Hopefully we can now get this deletion debate behind us and start to add to and improve the Tunday article.--194.154.22.36 12:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • The first book cited (Lesser Known Traditions of England and Wales) does not exist.
  • The second book cited (Chroniques Paysannes Legendes, Traditions et Superstitions)) does not mention Tunday.
  • There is a grave difficulty with any claims of "druid rituals" dating to 230 AD, as the Druids in England and Brittany had been destroyed by the Romans over two centuries before this date.
  • Wikipedia is not intended for cute little games made up in school one afternoon. See WP:NFT.

Justin Eiler 14:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


You claim firstly in reply to the rather aggressive 'IrishGuy' I have been a legitimate user of Wikipedia for a long time now... and yet your user history shows quite the opposite. Second, you claim as for so called ‘sock puppetry’ you yourself say along with ‘tonywalton’ admit that you have never seen this happen before in favour or against any AfD....' Wrong. We both stated quite clearly that neither of us has seen it be effective. It happens all the time in AfDs...it just rarely works. Because like this case, it is plainly obvious that Dontrileme is the same user as Guitar6strings. You both write the same. You both insist on calling this a debate even though it has been pointed out it isn't. You both write excessively long screeds and point the finger at me about this being deleted. I'm not the one who nominated this for deletion. I'm just the one who keeps catching your sockpuppets. IrishGuy 17:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
as for so called ‘sock puppetry’ you yourself [Irishguy] say along with ‘tonywalton’ admit that you have never seen this happen before in favour or against any AfD. Actually no, I said nothing like that. I said though I supposed it had been known I personally had never seen sockpuppetry in favour of deletion, and I'd never seen sockpuppetry against deletion to be effective (quite the reverse; it tends to sway consensus in favour of deletion). And it very likely won't work here either. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dontrileme: that, I'm afraid, is a lie. Stifle (talk) 14:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment excuse me i stand corrected, but what are we dedebating here? my ability to quote your comments or the imminant deletion of a peice of British history? --Dontrileme 15:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Stifle, the word 'that' dosn't quite point out what you find to be untrue, please, be more specific so that i may dispel your doubts.--Dontrileme 15:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly. I assert that as you registered on Monday, your assertion that "I have been a legitimate user of Wikipedia for a long time now" is inaccurate. Stifle (talk) 21:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)comm[reply]
Comment I would like to thank Justin Eiler for bringing the matter of 230AD to my attention, it is true that druids did not exist at that time, as I clearly stated "Druidism as a religion was practically destroyed in circa 60BC by the Romans" unfortunately I made a typing error, I should have typed 230BC but accidentally typed 230AD instead, I’m sure you can appreciate that I have made a typing error and even went on to seem to disprove myself with the previous quote. (I do not see why I would do that if I was lying and not just making a simple mistake.) As for accusations of the book 'Lesser Known Traditions of England and Wales' not existing, well I can only say that I have read it, it does exist and it isn't my problem if you cannot find the book.--Dontrileme 16:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Typographical errors are certainly understandable, and I don't hold that against anyone. However, as to "it isn't my problem if you cannot find the book," this is the very crux of Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If the book cannot be found, that changes this AfD from a Delete discussion to a Speedy Delete discussion. Justin Eiler 16:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We must have different versions of "Chroniques Paysannes Legendes, Traditions et Superstitions". In my version, it appears to me (my french is not flawless) Tunday is on page 45. Is there something different in your version?


I accept the fact that people find it hard to accept the proposed sources by my fellow Tunday believers but whether you can find those books/sources or not does not make this article a hoax; it only further emphasises your point as an article that cannot not yet at this point be verifeid sufficeintly to your strict demands. I believe notability is somewhat "proven" or moving towards it wheather you may agree with me or not but ture, the real debate between people here is on the verifiablity. However i must strongly stress that despite this topic of discussion in my motion to keep the article; it is most deffinately not a hoax.--Guitar6strings 23:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, notability has in no way been proven. All that has been shown are sources given that may or may not exist. How does that illustrate notability? IrishGuy 23:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I completely and unreservedly accept your assertion that it's not a hoax. However, the standard at Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. To quote from the relevant policy, "This means that we only publish material that is verifiable with reference to reliable, published sources."
If and when Tunday reaches the level of public acclaim and awareness to be published in reliable, published sources, feel free to come back and recreate the article. In the meantime, it fails the standards of verifiability, and thus does not belong at Wikipedia. Justin Eiler 00:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
comment "However, the standard at Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth" What, so your saying that Wikipedia would allow an untrue article if it was verifiable? That's absurd.--194.154.22.35 12:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment An untrue article wouldn't be verifiable. If it can be verified, it's true. However, many things are true but cannot be verified. Fan1967 13:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment- Close Seems to have been speedied (twice) under G1. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cunt in the face[edit]

Poorly written article, very dictionary like and non notable neologism Matthew Fenton (t) 12:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can verify usage in several contemporary sources; largely undeground usage. Started as student slang, although notably in more common use since the start of the year.


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The result of the debate was speedy delete. DS 14:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Create new[edit]

Non notable person, also article is entitled Create New yet it is about a porn "star" Matthew Fenton (t) 12:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. No Guru 19:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gino ninja[edit]

Unverifiable or non-notable neologism. None of the google results for "gino ninja" mention the neologism. SCHZMO ✍ 12:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete per CSD:G4. Stifle (talk) 15:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Akatsuki leader[edit]

Information is too vague to be of any importance. May be an attack page --soUmyaSch 14:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Benson (comic strip)[edit]

Delete article about a webcomic with no assertion of notability. Gwernol 14:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment This article was prod'ed but the prod notice was removed without comment. Also 194.221.212.20 has been astroturfing spam links to the comic to Wikipedia articles today. Gwernol 14:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

VOIPStunt[edit]

I added a prod tag with the following text:Spam: advertisement for a VOIP service with no assertion of notability. Prod tag was removed with no reason given and no edits save the addition of a logo, so I'm taking it to AfD for the stated reason Tonywalton  | Talk 14:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Can you explain what makes this service notable? For instance does it meet WP:CORP guidelines in any way? Wikipedia is not generally a medium for advertising, however "of benefit" the advertisement is claimed to be. By the way, your article appears to be a copy/paste of an entry this web page which claims "all rights reserved". You are aware that though in this instance the rights appear to be yours, posting it on Wikipedia means that, as it says at the bottom of the edit box, You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL? Tonywalton  | Talk 15:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Google returns 264,000 results for VOIPStunt including expert reviews, test reports, user experiences etc. which would fulfill the Wikipedia WP:CORP guidelines. Yes, a different version of this article also features in the tech reviews section of my blog. I agree to license this particular version on Wikipedia under the GFDL.vishaltayal 22:10, 6 May 2006 (IST)
Comment Hundreds, if not thousands, of companies have jumped into the VOIP market. What distinguishes this one? Is it a dominant player in the market? Does it have a significant market share? Fan1967 17:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment VOIPBuster is another variant offered by Betamax Group. Their list of FREE destinations is different and they offer VOIP-in numbers in different destinations. I have changed the entry to reflect the differences between VOIPBuster and VOIPStunt.


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clarke High School (Maine)[edit]

Some strange things have gone on in the history logs for this school article and Clarke High School (Ontario). There are towns with this same name: Orono, Ontario, and Orono (town), Maine, but so far as I can see, the town in Maine (a) has no Highway 115 by which the school is supposed to lie, and (b) it has no Clarke High School, it simply being called Orono High School. BillC 14:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin: this nom is for the Maine article only. The school in Ontario definitely exists. --BillC 22:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Keep -- Longhair 03:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Australian Privacy Act Of 1988[edit]

Speedy keep as rewritten by CanadianCaesar. Now that's what I call a rewrite! Tonywalton  | Talk 19:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dr Windows[edit]

non notable one sentence article IrishGuy 15:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Léon-Bernard Giot[edit]

The person's article is up for deletion in the French Wikipedia , as well as the article for his school École internationale de chant et de respiration. There is little, or no material for this individual in Google, and nothing for "Bernardo Giotto". There are no recordings listed in any of the databases, nor was any information available for any of the awards that he has listed in Englih or in French. He lists no degrees, nor does he list ensembles that he conducts. There are also a great many references to his school and his name in other articles which have nothing to do with the subject which keep popping up in the French version of Wikipedia, as well as a great many articles about little known family members which are also being examined. To be consistent, I'm nominating this article for deletion. Please also see the Article for Deletion entry in the French version of Wikipédia [24] Musikfabrik 15:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Merge into Qantas--Kungfu Adam (talk) 20:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Qantas Flight Numbers[edit]

This is like the Singapore Airlines flight numbers article, which was mostly deleted, and a summary was added to the mainline article. There is no reason for a separate article on this (WP:NOT) Dbinder 15:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Voting delete as the nominator. Dbinder 15:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rebecca Sealfon[edit]

user:Aplomado nominated this for prod with the following concern "Non-notable as per the decision of Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rageshree_Ramachandran". This article is sufficiently different from Ramachandran (who didn't have the additional, if marginal, assertions of notability). Personally I don't feel she's notable enough for her own article, but just notable enough to be merged into either Scripps National Spelling Bee or a Scripps National Spelling Bee winners article (along with other winners, including the deleted Ramachandran). Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AfD is not for proposing merges! fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was transwikied, so delete. Well done to y'all for not being nasty about this, and Mr Wiley for taking it so well. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:03, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperboy[edit]

Another webcomic. While some webcomics are notable, this one hasn't reached any form of print publication or significant circulation. Seems to have been created for the sole purpose of promoting the comic, as it states that it is, "well-drawn, humorous, and rich full-color." I am recommending delete. --Hetar 16:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

comment thank you for not taking this AfD personally. It is no reflection on you or your work, merely the level of notability and acclaim it has garnered at this point. IrishGuy 17:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If you haven't already, you might want to look up Comixpedia's webcomic encyclopedia. It uses the same software and license Wikipedia does, and, of course, caters specifically to webcomics. The main page is here. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 18:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have created an article on Comixpedia at Comixpedia:Hyperboy. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 20:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Doom Tennis[edit]

To quote from the article, "One of many games in a series of "Doom Sports" that are played by upper sixth Parmitarians. (05/06)" --Hetar 17:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was merge with Indology. The criticism that this article is inherently POV and largely either original research or relying on unsound sources is a powerful one, and it's a criticism that isn't refuted here. However, the main proponents of deletion here do not seem to feel that there's anything wrong with the topic itself, given a proper treatment. As such, I think merging with Indology would be a good compromise here. As I see there's already an appropriately-named and filled-in section of that article, I'll just redirect ... and any further arguments can take place over there, and well away from AfD. Cheers, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bias in South Asian Studies[edit]

Indology is a stub, but here we host a detailed florilegium of every Hindu prejudice on the internet. This is not even a pov-fork of Indology, it is an ab-initio pov-fest, completely one-sided, unsalvageably biased and unencyclopedic. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. A short "history" and "alleged bias" section on Indology will be more than enough. dab (ᛏ) 17:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Oy vey, that's one heck of an article. -- Kicking222 17:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nominator. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This article is precisely about prejudices in South Asian Studies, and if you see there is "Hindu prejudice", then you could add your viewpoint into the article. An AFD is not a subsititue for a NPOV-tag. I'll be the first to concede that the article needs to be improved. The article may have too much focus on the AIT controversy, but this is again not a reason for an AFD.
    The topic itself is notable, the biases in Colonial Indology on the one side, and the allgegations of biases in contemporary Indology have all been the subject of much criticism, and there should be a aricle where this can be described. It doesn't look good to claim that it is "unsalvageably biased", either one is able to add his own viewpoint to an article, or one is not. --Sendrin 19:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
my argument is that articles titled "Bias in" should be deleted in most cases. I agree there is some (little) encyclopedic merit hidden beneath the polemics. This can be safely merged with Indology and/or colonialism, Hindutva and national mysticism. dab (ᛏ) 07:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rey: please note that the references are mainly Hindu nationalist websites and forums or personal pages. It thus might still violate WP:OR: Please review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Using_online_sources Hornplease
Comment The external may be trash, and many of those can be deleted. However, the references (the ones that leaded me to believe the article was well referenced) and further reading sections are well documented. While it is true I don't know what kind of references they are (if they are notable books, if those books do exist, etc), I can only assume good faith until someone gives me links to notable sites that explicitely state those books do not exist or they do but are of little importance. The further reading section has entries to Yvette Rosser blog. A very quick google search turns out that She is the co-creator and sponsor of the International Day without Violence, held annually on April 4th [25] That sounds like something notable enough for me. Even if you remove all the external links, the article continues to be well referenced. If you can probe those references are fake, I may change my vote. But, as I said, all I can do is assume good faith. -- ReyBrujo 12:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
True, we need to assume good faith. However note that most of the points that use the reputable books as references are about past Indologists including Mill - in which case the argument is more apprpriately (and already) covered in postcolonialism. The 'current' section uses opinion websites and the Yvette Rosser 'book'- which as you point out is actually a blog as well. A cursory google search of Yvette Rosser informs me that she had an accident in 2003; all her medical costs were paid by the radical Hindutva organisation the Vishwa Hindu Parishad. That is not an unbiased scholar. The 'Further Reading' section is simply a list of some of the classics of Indology without any connection to the supposed bias in their subject matter; along with some of the classics of postcolonial work - Sheldon Pollock for example, again without explanation - and of apologist writers such as Rosser and the Belgian Koenraad Elst, who writes on hindudharma.org, another parochial site. Nothing is fake; but the article is not structured in good faith, as the claims are not referenced, and the reading list is bolstered by reputable books that do not support the argument,and the specific references are from doubtful, non-peer reviewed sources. Hornplease 13:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Your information on Rosser is taken from indiatruth.com, a political ("to put it as nicely as possible") website founded by Michael Witzel (as he admits in his OutlookIndia.com article) that describes Hindus as "Nazi", "Hitler", "Racist", "Muslim hater", "Race Traitor", "Christian hater", "Creationist", and "obscurantist murders" and of being Hiina (or lost and confused). That is not an unbiased website from an unbiased scholar. Rosser is also founder of The Global Pashtun Institute for Peace and Democracy which aims to Support and strengthen peace, democracy and stability in Afghanistan and to Improve human rights situation among Pashtuns. Rosser has been known to criticize Hindu nationalists as well, but what makes her different that her criticism is fair and not stereotypical. The Rosser link is not a blog, it is an article hosted on sulekha.com. Have you been on the hindudharma.com website that you cite above? There's nothing on this site! I admit that the article needs to be improved, and the article title maybe changed. I think however that enough could be written already only on Max Müller and James Mills, where also exagerrations or unfair potrayals and counter-bias can be discussed. --Sendrin 14:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please try to keep up. My information about this Rosser, whatever she may have 'founded' that exists on paper or not, is simply that she is not an unbiased scholar; you claimed I discovered her links to the radical rightwing VHP through some attack site. I did not. It is available online - on the VHP's own site, where they call her Ram Rani for some reason. The Rosser link is an opinion piece, unverified, without peer review, and not published by a known publishing house. These are the points that I made originally, and nothing you have said contradicts that. If you wish to discuss only Max Mueller and this mysterious James Mills, you can do so in the appropriate article pages for them, without claiming any form of overarching narrative that is distinct from the arguments already covered in postcolonialism. And we are discussing the dubious merits of this article, not of Mike Witzel, so that entire discussion is irrelevant.Hornplease 15:28, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If some of the sources are not reliable, this should be discussed on the article talk page: Talk:Bias_in_South_Asian_Studies. However, many references are not websites/forums... as you say incorrectly, and books and studies have been written on some aspects of this like Chakrabartis "colonial indology", Trautmanns "Aryans and british india", Dirks "castes of mind", and more. But some of the references should be better. You say that your information is not from indiatruth.com, but you do the same thing as that site: you only bring up one rather negative (but minor) aspect about her and dismiss all her humanitary work for Afghanistan, Pashtuns, the Syed Committee, the Peace Day.. And nothing is mysterious about James Mills if you would take the time to read the article. Nothing is wrong is with the further reading section, or please say which book does not belong there.
I understand some (not all) of the arguments that the article should better be merged into Indology, or at least until there is more material. A problem is that the Indology/South Asian Studies article is a stub, and the criticism section would IMO overwhelm that article. (Which is unfair to Indology, the criticism is an important part, but as long as Indology is a stub that section would overwhelm the rest). Because of this a separate criticism article would be the better solution, as it is done for many other pages. Wikipedia has articles on criticism of scientology, islam, many smaller sects and about many other things, so another criticism article is not a big deal. Maybe a better article title would be Criticisms of South Asian Studies. --Sendrin 21:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that none of the sources are reliable goes towards establishing the fact that this is an unreconstructably POV-fork. The only references that are used for making the argument are online forums or opinion blogs. The other references you cite are either massive minority opinions or not quoted. Second, my opinion on the Yvette person was about her reliability as a source for this article. She has been funded by the VHP, which has a specific agenda here, and so she is not a reliable source. Whatever she may have done for the Pashtuns is thus irrelevant. JAmes Mills being mysterious was an attempted joke, as it should be James Mill. And I cant understand a criticisms article being written in the absence of information about what is being criticised. Under such circumstances the article can never attempt to be either enclyclopaedic or NPOV. Delete, delete, delete! Hornplease 02:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You are again wrongly saying that all sources are unreliable, while the article cites primary sources like Mill and Macaulay, and authorities like Trautmann. (and many more could be quoted). Your remarks make me think you're either not familiar with the topic or dishonest. And for example Michael Moore is biased, as is George W. Bush, but both can be quoted in an appropriate context. It is for example possible to quote Michael Moore on Bush, if it is clear that it is Moore's opinion. You claim Rosser is biased, but have you read her work? Michael Witzel, who has also published in Marxist magazines (not that I care about that) is anyway if anything more biased, and he has had many criticisms, alleging racism, chauvinism and other things. All this has not to do with the AFD and belongs to the talk page, the opinion stated by her could also be written from other sources, as she is not the only one who criticized some aspects of South Asian Studies. In many other articles the criticism section is a separate article, and this might make sense here too. But maybe the article should first evolve into a bigger text before. --Sendrin 18:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
About the first section. OK, you have made your point about Trautmann being an authority. Nevertheless, to claim that (a) there is a systemic bias (b) that it is anti-Hindu and (c) that it was universal is absurd. 1. The criticisms of Indian culture were not restricted to Europeans - consider Derozio. 2. The people criticised are either historians - Mill - or generalists - Marx - or definitely not 'indologists - Macaulay. 3. The people being criticised for bias are those who were criticising the indologists! Grant attacking the 'orientalists'! The whole section is utter nonsense dressed up with footnotes. It cant be salvaged, has no place in the absence of an article on Indology, and must be deleted.
About the second section. I have spent a little time reading Rosser. She is absurdly biased. Further, I have got in touch with some people at UT Austin, where she was a grad student, and I discovered that in the well-regarded South Asian programme she was not permitted to finish her PhD and had to go on to submit it in the department of curriculum and instruction. (it was about the revising of textbooks by bjp state govts.) That is not an academically acceptable source. Further, you miss the point that all i needed to know was that she was funded by the vhp to make the determination that she was not an independent source either! Next! Witzel has tenure at Harvard, just had dinner with the President of India last month. Yet we have an article criticising his work before we have an article on the work itself! The rest of the section is similarly one-dimensional in both effect and intent and, indeed, structure. It is unsalvageable. If someone were to put this content on the Doniger and Witzel pages, then I would not demand their deletion, but leave it to be edited to NPOV status. Here the page itself can not be made NPOV, because, as nominated, it is an ab-initio pov-fest, completely one-sided, unsalvageably biased and unencyclopedic. Salvage the content, if you will. Move it elsewhere, to the appropriate article. But this article should only exist once the main article is written, and if criticisms of the theory tend to overwhelm that page. Hornplease 04:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't claime it was universal, however it exists. A historian like James Mill can be included into South Asian Studies, and the article is a stub, a lot could be written about Indologists, not only Max Müller. I haven't read much Rosser, but from one text I read I saw that she criticized/mentioned several pov's, not just one single one. Many people claim that Witzel is absurdely biased, and in any case Witzel rather only criticizes one side of pov and doesn't unbiasedly mention several pov's, his "interpretations" are often rather biased. Who is an independent source? Witzel publishes in Marxist magazines like Frontline and he has associated with Marxist historians, the president of Harvard Mr. Summers makes biased comments, and so on. The question is not wether someone is biased or not, but if a statement is presented as opinion or fact. The opinion exists as a fact, wether the opinion is biased itself is another thing and can then also be pointed out. This issued would belong to the talk page. Where is your source about Witzel's dinner from? From Indiatruth.com? As already stated, many articles have a separate criticims article, and in the Indology/South Asian Studies page criticisms of the theory tend to overwhelm that page. But I agree with your last sentence. It might be better if the text first evolves into a longer more detailled text before making it separate. --Sendrin 17:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From what I read of Rosser online, she criticised from a single POV. And you still havent responded to my points that she is not a reliable source. About Witzel, I dont know if he can be called biased, but I do know that Frontline is one of India's leading magazines and is not a sign of being an unreliable source any more than being published in the Spectator is, although the editorial board of the first is as marxist as the editorial board of the second is Tory. My source for Witzel's dinner is the harvard gazette, not indiatruth.com (to which I have never been.) We can leave the discussion here, since it is going nowhere.
However, it seems we have some form of consensus: it is too soon for this page. I would like to see the content saved, perhaps on the Indology talk page, so it can be edited and incorportated as the latter article grows. Hornplease 12:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The consensus here if any , is for keeping the article . FYI, Frontline is one of the leading mouth pieces of leftist ideology(read anti hindu )in India.Bharatveer 12:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Good Topic. More should be known of how the colonialists degraded the culture and altered the history of the country they ruled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.171.48.22 (talk • contribs) 8 May 2006, 12:24 UTC Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is no reason to delete this page. But create a page for South Asian Studies and make Bias as a section for this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.41.39.123 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC) Top-posted; moved into sequence by Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Much like the academic study of orientalism and Islamophobia, Hinduphobia and Indophobia prevelant amongst current scholars in South Asian studies is an emerging topic of scholarship. Not just the past, but even the present of South Asian studies is prejudiced, and this phenomeonon needs to be studied academically, which is what Wikipedia is all about! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.5 (talk • contribs) 9 May 2006, 04:27
  • Keep cited references, hard facts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.50.150.182 (talk • contribs) 8 May 2006, 22:36
  • Keep. This is an excellent article with portrays the eurocentric, colonial and biblical bias traditionally present in South Asian studies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.51.94.140 (talk • contribs) 8 May 2006, 21:09
  • Keep This page is one of a few places that highlight the problems with Indic studies in the US. It should be cleaned up a bit, but not deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.103.223.43 (talk • contribs) 8 May 2006, 23:32
  • Keep The irony is that the person campaigning for deletion of the article is a prime example of the bias that the article talks about! As others have pointed out, the article could definitely use some work, but judging by the history of deletions, changes, etc. made by dab this seems to be clearly a campaign to cleanse Wikipedia of all articles that criticize European "scholarship". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.91.46.7 (talk • contribs) 8 May 2006, 22:47
  • Comment: The influx of unsigned IP votes may be related to the fact that the article has recently been fetured on a nationalist Hindu website ([26]). Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Agree completely with dab. Indology or South Asian Studies has an article; a section of that page can discuss alternative theories stifled by the sources of power in the academy. (To put it as nicely as possible.) Hornplease 09:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as above. For great justice. 17:22, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Original research. Zaxem 09:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, why we are so obsessed with enforcing moral policing. Can't we let the article evolve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.254.127.154 (talk • contribs) 11:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, Bias in South Asian Studies is a major and hot topic, especially with the "natives" standing up for their versions of the story. One more step in making public/democratic the problems associated with South Asian Scholarship. Tarring folks as "Hindu nationalists" won't hide the serious issues involved. Of course the article should be more nuanced, but the underlying theme is spot on. Someone here called Yvette Roser "biased", I don't think there is such a thing as a scholar without a take. Objectivity in the Humanities is a debatable proposition. Let us keep the stub and hear all sides of the story. Witzel eating with the President of India in no way puts his work above scrutiny. The comments earlier about wikipedia protecting European "scholarship" from rational critiques is well made and relevant.Varahamihira 05:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC) — Note: very new user, see Special:Contributions/Varahamihira and Special:Contributions/24.165.161.115. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. No Guru 21:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sheryne Morcos[edit]

This article seems to not agree with WP:BIO. Although the article seems to be put together as well as is likely possible. I believe that the subject is simply not notable JGGardiner 17:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep. No Guru 15:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of fictional brands in South Park[edit]

Original research, speculation. Brian G. Crawford 17:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, not so much because the article is original research or particularly speculative, but because it's simply unnecessary listcruft. -- Kicking222 17:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep As it is neither OR (the show is an obvious primary source material) nor speculation (anyone with eyes that watches the show can see the brands). It may be listcruft, but meh, so what. Actually, I'll go further: the use of fictional brands in South Park is obvious satire of product placement in other shows and is a signifigant part of the shows appeal. It goes beyond Fony brand TV sets to entire embedded commercials like Mr Hanky's playset done with real actors. It is a notable phenonemon that products like Cheezy Poofs went on to actual existance after appearing as fictional in the show. SchmuckyTheCat 18:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This article is no less important than half of the articles on wikipedia. The use of satire in the brand names is something Mark Twain could be proud of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.109.241 (talk • contribs)
  • Keep per STC. Couldn't have said it better myself. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 18:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - both as per the feline one and for the fact that a notable degree of wit and irreverance is clear in the name choices. That, I feel, distinguishes it from listcruft. Ac@osr 20:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per all keep votes. Grandmasterka 21:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. Buchanan-Hermit™..SCREAM!!!.... 00:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Lovely list of pop trivia. -- JJay 18:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep, documented, but still it leaves some bad taste in my mouth. -- ReyBrujo 21:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, do you even understand what "original research" means? Yikes. Sometimes I wish a person had to demonstrate an understanding of some of these ideas before you can put something up for deletion... Cburnett 20:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Granted it's not the best article, but it doesn't hurt and that information would just be spread around as trivia anyway. --Bahati 21:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, and slap nominator. For great justice. 17:22, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Particularly important points made in this discussion were: the numerous errors in the article, the lack of a coherent selection criteria, and the fact that many of the city descriptions are just copied and pasted from the main city articles. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pacific Rim capitals[edit]

The title is POV fo shizzle. An NPOV title would be "list of big cities around the Pacific Ocean" which doesn't seem to be a necessary or useful article. SchmuckyTheCat 17:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong delete but not per nom. ("Pacific Rim" is a proper and non-POV name!) As the original prodder (this is a contested prod), I contend that this article will be better replaced with a category, since all it does is to list the capital cities, then copy the description over verbatim (see the "[1]" dangling from Singapore listing!) from the respective city articles. I had already partly populated the replacement category Category:Pacific Rim capitals when this article was de-prodded. Therefore suggest deletion as duplicate of now-existing category. Kimchi.sg 18:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
to explain: "capitals" is POV. At least half of the entries are not "capitals". SchmuckyTheCat 18:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, more useful than a category, since it can mention where Dili is, for those who aren't too clear. Kappa 18:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Does the article on Dili not explain where it is? SchmuckyTheCat 18:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I imagine it does, and I'm sure that clicking random links to see what they are about is great entertainment for people who aren't actually looking for information. Kappa 18:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete - The article would be better replaced as a list. If not, then move to "Major cities of the Pacific Rim" — ßottesiηi Tell me what's up 18:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: So is this a vote for keep, rename and rework, instead of delete? — Instantnood 19:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, rename and rework. — Instantnood 19:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename. I don't see how "capitals" is POV. If there are things on the list which should not be there, they should be removed. It is not a reason to get rid of the list. --Fastfission 20:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • "capital" isn't POV, it's utterly meaningless. --Calton | Talk 23:35, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. If one wants to read about the cities covered by this article, Wikipedia has articles about all of them already. --Metropolitan90 21:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Long Beach, California is a "capital"? By what conceivable definition of "capital" can that be true? And can't even see the point here -- and apparently neither could its creator, since the intro reads (and I quote):
The Pacific Rim is one of the world'a fastest growing regions, and
and that's it. --Calton | Talk 23:35, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Metropolitan90 and Kimchi.sg although I have no idea why a rename should be made if this is kept. The title is fine. SorryGuy 23:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The title is fine? Long Beach is the capital of what? SchmuckyTheCat 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Seems like a nice use of list format to provide an overview of these cities. -- JJay 18:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep and remove non-capitals. More useful than a category. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 21:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, although not a POV title, I fail to see how this is useful to be in an encyclopædia. Stifle (talk) 15:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete--cj | talk 12:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- cj | talk 12:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete no reason why capital cities and pacific rim should be linked like this. The info has been cut and pasted from city articles, nothing says why this is relevant to the pacific rim. No other regions have these articles - there isnt Western European capitals etc. The Pacific rim is a vague term anyway - Yangon, Myanmar is on the Indian Ocean, and there are no South American cities mentioned. If state capitals can be included why not include all 47 capitals of the Prefectures of Japan or the 79 Provinces of the Philippines --Astrokey44 03:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as useful list. Capitalistroadster 20:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    How is a subjective collection of information with no basis useful? --cj | talk 03:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but rename or rework content. novacatz 01:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: those of you who keep saying this is "useful", could you do me a favor? Could you explain exactly how this is useful? Can any of you even tell me the point of this misnamed list? Even the creator of the list had no clue. --Calton | Talk 03:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please try to moderate your tone on AfD. Your point is a good one, your attitude is not. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete. This article might have had some point, but the current version is just so wrong and POV it would be easier to throw it away and start again if somebody wanted to. --Scott Davis Talk 13:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Example errors and oddities include:
  • If Fiji and Hawaii are considered Pacific Rim, why not every other Pacific Ocean island group?
  • Wrong capital of British Columbia
  • Four capitals in California, but none in Alaska?
  • Canberra is over a mountain range, so it's watershed doesn't even flow into the Pacific.
  • Two capitals of New Zealand
  • If state capitals of the USA and Australia count (but Brisbane is missing), why not of Mexico and Indonesia?
And that's just what I could see from the table of contents! --Scott Davis Talk 13:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Listcruft plus repeat of information that's available on other more specific pages. Zaxem 09:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per, amongst others, User:Zaxem. --Roisterer 05:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, content fork of the respective pages, not really useful. Sandstein 09:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: If this article is going to be deleted. I'd like to archive its edit history and talk page outside of the article namespace. An option would by my user namespace. — Instantnood 20:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was keep. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Nissenbaum[edit]

This is an article about a seemingly non-notable academic, possible a vanity article. According to Worldcat his only work is an unpublished dissertation (owned only by the school he graduated from). Don't know about articles, though, so I thought arguments could perhaps be made. Delete Mak (talk) 18:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete unless some further proof of notability can be provided. --Bachrach44 15:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, maybe speedy per CSD:A7. From what I see, fails WP:BIO and WP:PROFTEST. -- ReyBrujo 21:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment He wouldn't be a prof at McGill if his only work is his disertation. We need more info, but I gota run at the momeent. JeffBurdges 07:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is probably true, but I believe that not every academic who has a university appointment is necessarily notable. The only academic I've written an article on has a festschrift dedicated to him. I realize that there is room for disagreement, but from this article and what I've seen so far, this person is not particularly notable. Mak (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Technically he's an assistant professor: see his page at McGill, which also lists his other work. I'm neutral on this; article talk page points out that he's referenced elsewhere on Wikipedia. — Haeleth Talk 13:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly oppose deletion. He did his PhD under Noam Chomsky, and according to his website has published work with Danny Fox, who is extremely well-known within linguistics. He's published one paper in Linguistic Inquiry (one of the most prestigious journals within generative linguistics) and several others in other peer-reviewed publications. He's plenty more notable than a lot of other people listed on Wikipedia. Regarding the comment above, he's referenced on Parasitic gap (bias declaration: I put quite a lot of work into that article). Cadr 00:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Further comment: he is clearly notable according to WP:BIO: "Published authors, editors, and photographers who have written books with an audience of 5,000 or more or in periodicals with a circulation of 5,000 or more". Linguistic Inquiry has a circulation of 5,000 or more, so he's notable according to WP:BIO. Cadr 00:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Michael D. Ashworth[edit]

  • Delete appears to be someone's resume Duckdid 18:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. WP is not Monster.com. -- MarcoTolo 19:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as WP is not a place to put one's resume on. -- Grafikm_fr (AutoGRAF) 19:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and userfy - article's creator appears to be subject - Politepunk 19:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy as Wikipedia is not the place for this. SorryGuy 23:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're fired -- delete. Wikipedia isn't a resume site. Buchanan-Hermit™..SCREAM!!!.... 00:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete borderline speedy as NN bio --Bachrach44 15:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, in retrospect I should have just requested a speedy. Duckdid 17:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy if creator is Michael D. Ashworth. Otherwise, Speedy Delete per CSD:A7. If not, delete. -- ReyBrujo 21:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy to User:MDASoccer. We may as well leave this run for the five days. Stifle (talk) 15:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or userfy works for me. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 22:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was merge with Under the Iron Sea. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hamburg Song[edit]

Delete - not a particularly notable song. Not even a single. Wickethewok 18:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's not an AfD nomination, it's a vote. Since AfD is not a vote, it would be nice to see nominations accorded more effort. Cheers, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Under the Iron Sea or keep, no reason wp users shouldn't be able to read about it. Kappa 18:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - as per Kappa. Besides, it's spelt Heliocentric.Ac@osr 20:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per above and redirect. Don't need the article if this is not a single. -- ReyBrujo 21:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge until it becomes a single, if ever. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 22:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete, I guess, but redirecting makes so much sense ... fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Baking oven[edit]

This page adds nothing to oven, of which it is a subset, already covered there. Any information that could conceivably go here should be there instead. Fnarf999 18:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Fnarf999 18:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with oven if there is something to merge, Delete otherwise. -- Grafikm_fr (AutoGRAF) 19:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge in anything useful (if there is anything) and redirect to oven to avoid anyone else creating the article again. SFC9394 21:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect per SFC9394. -- ReyBrujo 21:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the oven article does not point out that a "baking oven" is designed for food preparation, and links to a couple of other special oven articles. I do not see a need for deletion - adds nothing does not look an understandable formulation. The article does not mention houlsehold oven's at all (except link to microwave).
There is no deletion reason by policy, which explicitely spells to keep a few lines stub article, if it is expandable. See Mentuhotep_I, this is not going to be merged. I ask to withdraw the deletion. Akidd dublin•tl•ctr-l 10:04, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You can't ask for nomination withdrawal - only the nominator can do that. As for the various bits that you say the oven article doesn't cover - that is why merge has been commonly proposed. That way the information will be saved, but it will stop two articles on near identical subjects growing beside each other, confusing the end reader and splitting the collaborative power in half. SFC9394 10:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The assertion that the article Oven does not mention food preparation is nonsense. In the very first sentence it says "An oven is an enclosed compartment for heating, baking or drying," and most of the content of the article describes food preparation. The major subhead is entitled "Cooking". It is true that the article is not a particularly good one, but that's why it has an expand tag. A "baking oven" is not a separate type of oven in the same sense that a "microwave oven" or a "dutch oven" is. Fnarf999 16:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Right, i do not insist to keep it, just it does not bug much (it is NPOV). I missed the oven article spelling the difference between industrial furnace, baking oven (for food), and well, they are also into funeral business, wikipedia is not censored not to scare minors. All that gets too much for the oven article, or it gets something like transformer. This one is not even complete, and definetively will require a split up some day. Nothing wrong with including a few pictures, disk space has become affordable recently. Consider this, and generally articles may expand quickly, and split-up makes sense sometimes.
By the way i browsed other deletion proposals. Probably it makes a difference who suggested it for Afd. If it is not myself, i am entitled (by sampling other deletions) to make defending comments. User:Akidd_dublin 9 may 2006
For subjects so similar it makes more sense to have one article. As the sections within the article grow and expand then at some point the decision may be taken to split them up for easier digestion by end readers. If you wish to add more about baking ovens then go ahead and add relevant content to the oven article - then in time it may make sense to give it its own article. You are - of course - fully entitled to make defending comments for this deletion nomination, and I am glad to see that you have. SFC9394 22:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Start of a duplicate article and there is nothing substantial to merge at present. BigE1977 16:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A redirect would be problematic (to oven or to baking?), so unless the article is to become a permanent dictdef, do not merge. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 19:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, pointless dicdef. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 21:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Redundant - that is what an oven does, ie bake.--Michael Johnson 01:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Nothing really worth merging in this article. Possibly have it redirect to oven as it refers to an object and not the act of baking. Jgamekeeper 08:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, an oven, by definition, is meant for baking. Oven even says that. This article is redundant. Second, it adds nothing original, and it won't be getting to the point where it does. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 06:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, content fork. Sandstein 08:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Since any article on this subject would need to be written from scratch, we'll give the future author a helping hand. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MoveAndStic[edit]

  • Delete - reads like an advertisement. No real claims of notability. Wickethewok 18:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
AfD is not a vote. Please write your nominations as nominations, not simply another vote in a poll without a tally ... fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep if rewritten. I get 195,000 hits on google. It appears to be somewhat notable... Sure, it needs some major revamping but deletion is imho just too much. -- Grafikm_fr (AutoGRAF) 19:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. --MaNeMeBasat 08:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete, it is an advertisment. May change vote if notability is asserted. -- ReyBrujo 21:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete advert, no prejudice against a proper article being written instead, but it needs to be razed to the ground first. Stifle (talk) 15:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 14:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Ghost[edit]

Extraneous articles linked from already deleted main article. These just got lost somewhere and should have been removed with the original Catman article. Also adding:

as they, too, are offshoots of the original non notable article. IrishGuy 18:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on the redirect. IrishGuy 06:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The Ghost and Copy Kat and Redirect Blood-Hound as per Allen. Some guy 07:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and redirect to something real. Sparsefarce 17:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was keep. User:Usgnus is particularly persuasive here. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 14:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Potvin[edit]

"For anyone steeped in old-media thinking, evidence that the on-line encyclopedia Wikipedia is an unreliable source can be found in a Vancouver publisher's entry about himself.

Kevin Potvin writes and publishes a weekly print tabloid called The Republic of East Vancouver, full of inflammatory opinion pieces reminiscent of the ideological rants of 18th-century pamphleteers. It claims a circulation of 6,000. Yet, according to Wikipedia, Mr. Potvin is a colossus.

The entry says that “some hail Potvin as the latest and best resource for fair investigative reporting and independent media campaigns for truth and accountability.” It also reports that his “work has appeared in Harper's and The Atlantic Monthly.”

Now for a fact check. According to Harper's magazine, Mr. Potvin had a letter to the editor printed once, in November of 1992. The Atlantic could find no record of Mr. Potvin — he says he wrote “a substantial letter to the editor” in 1987, but the magazine does not archive letters. " —The Globe and Mail, May 6, 2006

delete

lots of issues | leave me a message 19:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - not a reason for deletion in itself but citation may be needed to bolster the article as it stands in the light of these remarks. If Wikipedia deleted everything that somebody somewhere didn't like, there wouldn't be a whole lot left. Ac@osr 20:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A non-verified vanity piece that has become a black-eye for wikipedia in the mainstream press. Bucketsofg✐ 20:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Although I've voted keep (below), simply because this person writes regularly for a publication with a print run of 6000 or whatever, it is embarrassing to Wikipedia that the article referred to his "work" as having appeared in certain high-profile magazines. As someone who has done a fair bit of professional writing, editing, blah blah, myself, I would definitely interpret that as referring to paid articles, not contributions to letters columns. There is a huge difference, even if one or both of these letters were rather long. If this article survives AfD I hope it is kept accurate in future. Metamagician3000 14:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. In general, letters to the editor should not even be mentioned in encyclopaedic articles. — Usgnus 14:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak keep. Stronger keep per Usgnus. starting an article about yourself (to help your city council bid) is lame, but if everything in it is referenced, it should be fine. heqs 13:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete per WP:BLP. I can't really see what in this makes him notable. Stifle (talk) 15:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Regardless of the G&M article, he is not notable. -Abscissa 17:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He is notable, according to Wikipedia's notability standards, because he is the editor of a newspaper with a circulation of 12,000 and he is a regular writer for a newspaper (Vancouver Courier) with a circulation of 265,000. Usgnus 18:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want the article deleted just because of the Globe article. There are plenty questionable articles out there, and often we try to improve them instead of simply deleting them. Kevin Potvin is fairly well known here in Vancouver. BTW, here is the notability standard I am using: "Published authors, editors, and photographers who have written books with an audience of 5,000 or more or in periodicals with a circulation of 5,000 or more" — Usgnus 03:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot figure out how to edit a wikipedia entry or how to add this reference to the entry, and maybe someone will help me with that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.80.169.92 (talk • contribs) .

  • Uhh, mate, that's still just a letter to the editor. It is hardly sufficient as evidence that your "work has appeared in Harper's", etc. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 14:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Speedy delete as ((nn-band)). Stifle (talk) 23:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sitra (band)[edit]

NN. The Hebrew counterpart was recently deleted from Hebrew Wikipedia as non-notable, and I noticed a request in Hebrew for help deleting it from the English Wikipedia. woggly 19:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedy keep, per my comment at the bottom. Stifle (talk) 22:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sidhoji Rao Shitole[edit]

This page already exists under the name Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath. Wikipedia manual of style states that biography should be under most common name Ghits: 20 vs. 2580. This page was created by another user who is in a dispute on Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath discussion page, who is changing the redirects to that page, so that they come here. Admins have already put their two cents in on that pages discussion, that since that name gets the most Ghits, that's where the biography should be placed. Also, that article was up for deletion twice and was kept both times. Hamsacharya dan 19:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect and protect, if necessary. Then you can have your POV wars on one page, not two. We do not have separate pages for Lew Alcindor and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. The original name redirects to the one currently used. Fan1967 21:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and redirect Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath to this page. This page is a more appropriate bio by Wikipedia standards. (Disclosure: I did not create this page). —Hanuman Das 22:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC) / 66.68.112.85 03:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm not making any accusations, but the creator of this page has zero edit history outside this article and attempting to redirect the other one here. This whole issue has been full of sockpuppets in the past. Fan1967 22:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - well, you are probably right that it is a sockpuppet. It simply isn't my sockpuppet. Perhaps User:NoToFrauds has found some way to evade his block? —Hanuman Das 22:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What wikipedia standards? Can you be more specific and cite your reference to wikipedia standards? See the wikipedia manual of style [27]. Furthermore, all of the spiritual biographies I've seen have come under the title of the subject, not his/her birth name. Tenzin Gyatso doesn't count because he is the 14th person to receive that title - it is not specifically his title. It is very disrespectful to put it under his birth name - not to mention weak with respect to Ghits 20 vs. 2580. By your rationale, there should be redirection to, and disambiguation for your guru Lawrence Miles Shri Gurudev Mahendranath -- Hamsacharya dan 08:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and redirect Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath to this page per Hanuman Das. ---Baba Louis 23:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC) / 209.221.144.226 23:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, and protect the redirect. But this should not be at AFD. Stifle (talk) 23:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is part of a long, ongoing fight, that should be a Request for Arbitration. Fan1967 01:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - as per Hamsacharya Dan's expressed view above. Sri Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath is the name/title by which the individual is most known in the general public, particularly in cyberspace. Other noteable individuals that are not listed by their birth name are James Marshall Hendrix who is rightfully put under Jimi Hendrix - in this case there being no redirect at all from his birth name even. Same for James Douglas Morrison who is listed under Jim Morrison with no redirect from his birth name. Same for Sun Ra. Also, interesting to note that Pope John Paul and the whole Pope lineage is listed under their title and not their birthname. Why is it not the same for the HH the 14th Dalai Lama who is unfairly listed under His birthname? It shows an ingrained bias within Wikipedia definitely.213.106.1.25 21:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Shaninath[reply]
    Comment. Bad example. Pope John Paul is a disambiguation page that leads to two different people. Similarly, Dalai Lama refers to 14 different people, just as Pope refers to dozens. As for the current fight, it is not part of a "Wikipedia bias". It is a part of an ongoing fight between people who like and dislike this person. Fan1967 00:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Good example. Correct it leads to two individuals one being Pope John Paul 1 and Pope John Paul 2 and there are mentions of 23 and 6. ALL still listed under their title and not their birthname. 'Bias' that appears on Wikipedia is 'Wikipedia bias' because it is a free encyclopedia, my dear. So an ongoing fight between people who dislike and like a person is not connected to bias or POV, is it? Look Beyond and See the Light...Hari OM217.34.121.233 19:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)Shaninath[reply]
Comment Popes are not listed under their title, my dear. Their title is Pope. They are listed under the name they have chosen, a convention that's almost always used in Wikipedia, for everybody. Dalai Lama is a title, not a name. Fan1967 20:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and redirect Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath to this page per Hanuman Das.--Chai Walla 06:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)--216.39.162.241 06:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm an editor, perhaps should say attempted editor of the Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath article. In truth I can't say that I "dislike" the subject as the subject has a host of very fine qualities and is a very good yogi. At the same time, I have specific problems with what I consider "mythologies" associated with the subject and greater problems with more than one editor who espouse a POV and approach to editing which I believe to be in disregard of Wikipedia policy. The Sidhoji Rao Shitole article is superior to the Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath article because it is NPOV. This is why I support Keep and redirect.--Chai Walla 06:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That is a content dispute, not a dispute regarding the present issue - what is the appropriate article for this subject. Paramhansa Yogananda, Sri Yukteswar, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda, etc etc are all under their titles, not their birth names. The only example Hanuman Das is bringing up is Tenzin Gyatso - the 14th Dalai lama. But the Dalai Lama is a title that is handed down through the generations to different people, so it makes sense to put his biography under his given name rather than a generalized title. Hamsacharya dan 07:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, yup, and it is User:Hamsacharya dan that has twice brought this dispute to AfD since the Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath article passed its first AfD. —Hanuman Das 20:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - User:Hamsacharya dan said "Admins have already put their two cents in on that pages discussion, that since that name gets the most Ghits, that's where the biography should be placed." As far as I know, this is not true. Please cite a diff where an admin made some sort of official statement about this. The page move failed due to lack of concensus and no other reason. —Hanuman Das 20:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Partially in response to this talk page message, partially because of the fact that the nominator's request is to move/rename, not to delete, and partially because there have been no valid delete votes (anons do not count), I am closing this as a speedy keep. The naming dispute can, and should, be taken to WP:RFC. (Not WP:RFAR, who don't handle content disputes.) Stifle (talk) 22:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hollywood the Game[edit]

From what I could see, this doesn't seem notable. Gadren 20:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The alexa ranking for its website is >6 million. Entirely non-notable internet game. Grandmasterka 21:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete seems non-notable, while not quite spam (as there is no link in the article to the website) it is still outwith notability criteria. SFC9394 21:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Grandmasterka. SorryGuy 23:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The precursor to this game, Virtual Producer, was featured in Entertainment Weekly a number of years ago. Although it doesn't have a large traffic rating, this is not the only criteria the game should be judged on. The world of online Hollywood simulations is fairly large, and HTG is an important part of it. I believe there are other sites from this genre that have their own Wikipedia pages. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mark Broderick (talk • contribs) .

  • Delete per Grandmasterka. Mark, feel free to nominate the other articles to deletion if you think they aren't notable according to Wikipedia guidelines. -- ReyBrujo 21:22, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was merge with Rapidweaver. No Guru 15:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rapidweaver themes[edit]

Do we need this page in addition to Rapidweaver? After all, we don't have a page for PowerPoint templates. Gadren 20:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete CSD A7. kingboyk 05:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hazem Ahmed Saleh[edit]

Doesn't seem notable enough yet, and it was created by him, according to the history, so it's a vanity page anyway. Gadren 20:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC) I'm also nominating this article, which is an exact copy of the above one:[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jhatkaa.com[edit]

Non notable website, alexa ranking well over 1,000,000, does not meet WP:WEB. Prod removed without comment. Rory096 20:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Bucketsofg✐ 20:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Website plans to expand its reach by popular give aways and spawning new websites, though it has not been very successful in its Venture.". Delete. -- MarcoTolo 20:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. though it has not been very successful in its Venture. means NN and deletion. -- Grafikm_fr (AutoGRAF) 22:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. DarthVader 23:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. -- ReyBrujo 21:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Showbiz spy[edit]

Non-notable - 114 google hits, too low for any alexa rating, does not meet the notablility criteria SFC9394 20:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedy delete as ((nn-group)). Stifle (talk) 23:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-GODS-[edit]

Not notable. Gadren 21:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not notable? Aachhaya 21:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as not notable fancruft. -- MarcoTolo 21:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete - yet another non-notable gaming clan. I've successfully used ((nn-club)) for these. Tagged. Grandmasterka 21:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • To be notable, how many individuals must an article posted on wikipedia have had a notable effect on? Whilst the servers may no longer be active, there are a great many individuals numbering in their thousands who have accessed, used and regularly played on the servers, kindly take into consideration if you visit the website link at the end of the article for UKCSS Community, there are a great many individuals affected by what has and is happening on the servers. Perhaps the focus should change from the small clan to the entire community spanning many many people? Would that be appropriate?Aachhaya 21:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom if it isn't speedied. DarthVader 23:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was merge to Stay Hungry. --Ezeu 10:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Burn In Hell[edit]

Song is by a notable band, but is not notable by itself. Rory096 21:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was redirect to Battlestar Pegasus.

Mercury Class Battlestar[edit]

Delete because this can never be more than a stub. Given that the only authoritative source is the series and the series creator has said a number of times that he is going to steer clear of the techno-babble that plagued Trek. AlistairMcMillan 21:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge to a list of ships in BG or something similar.--Tone 22:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with battlestar galactica as previously suggested. -- Grafikm_fr (AutoGRAF) 22:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per above. Stifle (talk) 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Uhm, merge what? We already have a page on the Battlestar Pegasus, the only Mercury class ship that has appeared in the series, and that page already says everything that is covered on this page. AlistairMcMillan 23:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I disagree that this may never be more than a stub with the recent announcment of the Caprica spin off, we may well learn more about this class of ship (amoung others) No Vote EnsRedShirt 00:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Redirect to Battlestar Pegasus, if there's nothing to merge, then there's nothing to merge! And if some spinoff series later conjures up exciting new details about the Mercury Class Battlestar, the redirect can be replaced by an article. —Stormie 01:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect per Stormie. -- ReyBrujo 21:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect per above. Beno1000 14:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was merge anything salvagable, then redirect. Mailer Diablo 12:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grinder Rules[edit]

Doesn't appear to be encyclopedic, if anything, merge into Chicago White Sox somehow Metros232 22:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Non-notable local advertising campaign. They sound better on the radio, when read by Kurtwood Smith, but they're not worth an article. Fan1967 22:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • CommentThe article was written in response to many requests I have fielded from presons outside of the Chicago area who have shown interest in this particular ad campaign, because it is linked to a notable, and historic sporting event (or in this case, season). While this was my first such contribution, I find Fan-1967's rather biased opinion rude and uncultured. If you believe that this is not worth an article, so be it, but I cannot believe that the management approves of such uncouth and unwarranted insults directed toward patrons and non-discriminatory content. TeganX7 22:35, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm sorry, what did you consider to be such a "uncouth and unwarranted insult"? The "non-notable" or "not worth an article"? Which was "rude and uncultured"? Just curious. Fan1967 01:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as unencyclopaedic original research. Stifle (talk) 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into Chicago White Sox. These 'rules' are from an advertising campign, but this is not original research. These rules are very popular with Sox fans (which I am one), but do not justify their own article. — Linnwood 00:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, I don't think the rules should stay in Wikipedia. -- ReyBrujo 21:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • CommentFor the record, the Kurtwood Smith comment sounded a bit opinionated. If it is the judgement of he powers that be that this is too local, or too "local" to be of interest, then feel free to delete it. Considering some of the articles (as an example, I have seen articles for high schools that are hardly more researched than this, and far more local in flavor, as well as local entertainment personalities , that, at least IMO, would be far more worthy of deletion than this...though that's not my call to make. TeganX7 00:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I'm sorry you found the comment offensive, though I'm still puzzled at what bothers you. I thought it was a moderately well-done set of ads, and his reading of the lines made the radio commercials enjoyable. However, it was just a local ad campaign, and those generally aren't considered of interest outside the market. Fan1967 13:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. --Ezeu 09:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of anime audio dramas[edit]

Contested prod. I did a mini clean-up of "dorama" articles a few months ago this is something that's left over. I'm not against including information on audio dramas on wikipedia, however, this is akin to making a list of all movies based on books or all anime based on manga. This just is the wrong way to go about it. --Kunzite 22:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Propose: Remove or Convert to category for the following reasons:

  • The list was created just for the sake of having such a list (it was split from another article, IIRC.)
  • The list is a violation of Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information
  • The list is unmaintainable.
  • The list has no content beyond links to other articles, so would be better implemented as a (self-maintaining) category.
  • Delete, pick any or all of the above reasons. Ashibaka tock 22:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:LC. Stifle (talk) 23:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete because. Danny Lilithborne 02:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, possibly convert to category. -Sean Curtin 19:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and convert to category per Sean Curtin. -- ReyBrujo 21:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't mind making it a category, but.. Let's discuss first. There are manga-only titles that have audio dramas. There are also a handfull of dramas and the like that are audio drama. Give it a neutral name and if someone wants a list of all anime audio dramas we can point them to category math. Also, the list is so puny. There are possibly hundreds of titles not on the list. =) There are a few other lists like this out there that could use similar converstion to categories. I woudn't mind opening AWB up and doing some of the conversion too. --Kunzite 17:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Category:Anime and manga audio dramas? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with an "anime and manga" style category is that there are Audio Dramas made of new material to promote seiyu. There are seires of audio dramas that have no anime or manga or "light novel" basis (most of these are yaoi/hentai titles.) There are audio dramas based off of TV dramas. There are video game audio dramas for games that have no anime or manga. There are even one or two titles released as audio dramas that have spawned anime and manga.
Secondly, After researching this a bit more, I have changed my mind. We have very very few (I can only think of one) articles are dedicated to audio drama for a specific series. Anime and manga article rarely mention audio dramas (even in the Japanese WP.)
Audio dramas are basically a by-product of the seiyu industry in Japan. (Which is not present in the west.) They're also expensive to purhcase for most fans (around 3,000¥ per disc.) Also, spoken dialogue is harder to translate for most fans. This leads to very very poor coverage in the west. (Sakura Taisen, for example, has released 23 radio drama CDs, not a single one mentioned in the article.) So... I think that we should list the full articles based on audio dramas in Category:Radio drama and leave the rest alone until the (unlikely) day when the wiki attains have better coverage of audio dramas in modern Japanese society. --Kunzite 17:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Speedy delete, the article doesn't claim notability so ((nn-band)) applies. If someone recreates the article with such an assertion, then it can come back. Stifle (talk) 23:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fall of the Leafe[edit]

Non Notable band. The so called band members appear to be misspellings of musicians from other bands. The article also has no content of notablity and has no ties to either of the music genres listed, ie: Gothic Metal. Ley Shade 22:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment It gets 121 000 hits on Google... I'm not therefore so sure of its non notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grafikm fr (talk • contribs)
  • Delete per nom. DarthVader 22:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Seems to qualify per WP:MUSIC. Band appears to have released at least five albums over the last eight years; two of the labels (Firebox and Rage of Achilles) appear to be legit indie labels. Albums are stocked by Amazon, CDUniverse, and others - notable for an import. Line-up list looks correct per the Firebox band page. Over 800 ghits on ("Fall of the Leafe" + "review"); most appear to be on established webzines focusing on various incarnations of heavy metal. -- MarcoTolo 23:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zen Linux[edit]

A random Linux distribution; links are dead, no compelling reason that it's notable. Ashibaka tock 22:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per above and WP:SOFT. Stifle (talk) 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete nn distro. --Eivindt@c 00:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I know the distro, but they don't qualify as notable. -- ReyBrujo 21:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete NN distro. Beno1000 14:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Speedy delete as ((nn-band)). Stifle (talk) 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weltenbrand[edit]

Non Notable band. The article also has no content of notablity and has no ties to the music genre listed, ie: Gothic Metal. The article has sat for over a month doing nothing, and after searching and question the WP:HMM, we have found this band to be Non Notable. Ley Shade 22:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 14:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Colossal[edit]

Basically a dicdef and unencyclopedic (only a synonym of "big"). There is already an entry on "colossal" in Wiktionary that has the etymology. The usage note could be added to the Wiktionary article. SCHZMO ✍ 22:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge with the corresponding wiktionary entry if there are additionnal informations. -- Grafikm_fr (AutoGRAF) 22:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, and I've taken off the transwiki tag, as it adds nothing to the definition already on Wiktionary. I would suggest a possible redirect to Colossus. TheProject 22:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:WINAD. Stifle (talk) 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, possibly redirect. -Sean Curtin 18:56, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Transwiki and delet, if there is something useful per Stifle. -- ReyBrujo 21:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Speedy Deleted. kingboyk 05:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Six Degrees of Separation (disambiguation)[edit]

I created it then realized it is currently unnecessary (maybe when the play and movie have different articles John (Jwy) 22:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you created the page (which I see that you did) then it should be eligible for speedy delete as long as you give a reason on the tag. Your page should fit under general crieria number 7. Unless there are special rules for diambig pages then you should be able to get it swiftly deleted without having to go through a five day afd process. Best, SFC9394 23:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are the only editor of the page, blank it and place ((db-author)) at the top of the page. In this case, it would definitely fall under criteria G7, "Any page for which deletion is requested by the original author, provided the page's only substantial content was added by its author and was mistakenly created. If the author blanks the page, this can be taken as a deletion request. Note: Please check the page history to make sure there is only a single author.". Jude (talk,contribs,email) 23:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I was following the speedy procedure, but I must have taken a wrong turn. I have done the db-author thing as described John (Jwy) 00:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. --Ezeu 09:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Daivika Amsham[edit]

Unverifiable. No Google hits outside of WP mirrors. TheProject 23:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would say to transwiki it, but delete because it's not verifiable. Stifle (talk) 23:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: I've now taken out the transwiki template. I'll add it back if the outcome of this is to transwiki (which currently, it isn't). TheProject 04:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. Weak simply because it may be that there's a transliteration problem that would throw up more hits or a verification. I'll start looking, and if I have no joy I'll change to just "delete". --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    OK, one from "daivika amsam": "there is a spark of divinity (daivIka amSam) in the young author"[28]. That's all I've been able to find; it's not really enough to justify weak delete, so I've struck out the "weak". --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless verifiable. -- ReyBrujo 21:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was keep. Of course, it wouldn't hurt to see the article cleaned up ... what do you say, Stifle? Feel like chancing your arm? fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 14:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dana Beal[edit]

Seems as though no assertion of notability is made, also tone quite non-encyclopedic Deville (Talk) 23:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete unless cleaned up. Stifle (talk) 23:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Beal is well known for his work with Ibogaine as well as the Yippies [29]. I agree that it could be cleaned up a bit, but he is notable. IrishGuy 00:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He is certainly well-known for his work with Ibogaine as well as organizing a world-wide Marijuana Mass Movement in many, many cities that never had one, documenting evidence can be found in many of the 17 300 hits that Google comes up with under his name. The article really does need to be cleaned up, however. Somehow the entry for "Counterculture", for instance, manages to sound decidedly encyclopedic, for instance. This entry could too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.195.84.41 (talk • contribs)
  • Keep, Dana Beal is notable, the problem is AJWeberman seems to have written most of the entry in first person prose and not one of the assertions or statements made are backed up with a single reference. I don't know if there is a third option to keep or delete, but I'd pick delete and replace with something coherent that uses some refs. Delete unless cleaned up is a great choice, but reading the comments, the problem is who is going to clean it up. I would take a stab at it, except I know about Beal sideways through where the Yippies intersect with the hacker underground and unlike the hacker underground which can be researched online with links to non-internet reference material, almost everything I can find about Beal is not a "real world" ref or scan of same. Almost all of it loads pages that use html like pink letters on green backgrounds and instead of finding a NY Times reference, you find old hippies ranting.

Keep, delete, delete unless cleaned up, notable but incoherent? I guess I stick with keep. Could somebody like AJWeberman who understands all this clean it up a little? Weberman's entry is great [30]. 6Akira7 14:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete as A7. The JPS talk to me 23:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Connecticut Association of Mathematically Precocious Youth[edit]

Seems to be a small and not very notable local organization. Only 35 google hits. Connecticiut is a pretty small place, and I doubt this even has much reknown within that state, let alone out of it. Indrian 23:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per above. Stifle (talk) 23:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as nn org. --Eivindt@c 00:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete CSD A7. --kingboyk 01:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete CSD A7, tagged. -- ReyBrujo 21:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was no clear consensus to delete. Merged as suggested.--Ezeu 20:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abasin & Nuristan (Pakistan)[edit]

this article is an exact duplicate of the pakhtunkhwa thread..and adds little to the debate.. --Zak 13:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Luigi30 (Ταλκ το mε) 14:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sven Littkowski[edit]

Where to start? Fails WP:BIO and WP:VAIN to begin with. The subject (and author) of this article has not only managed to edit Wikipedia a day after his own death, he's also found the time in the afterlife to be posting on a German forum in the last few weeks. BillC 23:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, possibly speedy. --BillC 23:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, well-written and seems notable. Stifle (talk) 23:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: you might want to consider including Terra Romana and Forum Navis Romana in the AfD as well, the latter of which has apparently been improperly nominated. TheProject 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(I was working on these as you added your comment. Because they're different topics, I intended to write separate AfD's rather than bundle them. But thanks. --BillC 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]
  • Delete reads like a obituary, suprisingly few ghits for a person in the IT-biz. --Eivindt@c 00:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-notable. Ted 02:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, this is not place to honour deceased non notable people per 4th information policy. -- ReyBrujo 21:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I might not have been clear enough in my OP. Let me state it here: he's not dead. --BillC 22:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Changing vote to Userfy. Actually I checked the information in the article, checked to see if there was something notable in Google, and failing that, decided to support deletion because of WP:NOT. But you are right about this. -- ReyBrujo 22:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Sven is just zis guy, you know? Non-notable. ~ Booyabazooka 22:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - per nom. Zaxem 09:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nuristan

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forum Navis Romana[edit]

Website with no demonstration of notability made. Fails WP:WEB BillC 23:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, I am nominating Terra Romana as the article describes it as a web portal containing "many theme portals". The Terra Romana website contains only one portal, that being Forum Navis Romana, and describes itself as "under construction, expected Summer/Autumn 2005". Both articles seem to have created by the same author who created his own autobiography around the same time. --BillC 00:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete both as nom. --BillC 00:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both per nom. --Eivindt@c 01:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both per nom. Ted 02:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both, site broken. -- ReyBrujo 21:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was delete. Mackensen (talk) 22:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Lorrey[edit]

Not notable, no real assertion of notability Deville (Talk) 00:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep. The page was vandalized, which I have now fixed. The new version has more notability without all the disgusting slander that was there. I think one of his opponents is trying to re-work the article. Grandmasterka 00:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --MaNeMeBasat 08:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep or delete. I believe Mike Lorrey started this himself. I added some info that I know about. The edits are not vandalism. I reverted them. I can provide links for most you think is. Most of the info comes from mike lorrey himself.

for the muslim/pig stuff see: http://www.xanga.com/Sadomikeyism/88688608/item.html

for the Mike Lorrey holiday: http://www.xanga.com/Sadomikeyism/176277938/item.html

For Mike Lorrey's SAT scores and other history: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:WJaXVjM0rH4J:nh.sevatech.com/wiki/index.cgi/Mike_20Lorrey+mike+lorrey+afb+el&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

If newbie observations are not welcome on an AfD, ignore my comments. If I violate any rules or etiquette, please let me know. Most of Lorrey’s “notability” appears to be self generated. It appears he wrote both the Wiki article and the blog it is based on, sort of referencing himself, as opposed to referencing credible published articles by unbiased writers.

This is Mike Lorrey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Mlorrey

  • Thank you! This was very helpful, and I clearly was mistaken about what I thought was slander. I will say delete. Being an activist is not enough notability, and as was said, a lot of his "notability" is self-generated. Grandmasterka 09:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - per nom. Zaxem 09:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - no notability aside from his own materials. -- Kaszeta 18:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was keep. Flowerparty☀ 10:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ross Overbeek[edit]

Extremely non-notable Deville (Talk) 00:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment — I'm having a difficult time making a call on this one. He appears to be fairly well published.[31] He also apparently played a role in the development of high-throughput software for genome analysis.[32] — RJH 03:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and Expand notable for Semantics of Logic Programming, GHits[33]. --MaNeMeBasat 08:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. A writer of at least 6 books (Amazon search) os not non-notable. Kevin 09:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, meets WP:BIO as a well published author. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 22:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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