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The result was no consensus. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Khaleel Mohammed[edit]

Khaleel Mohammed (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

this guy is just a professor, there really are lots of professors. Not only is no mention of why he is notable. It really appears he is not notable. Nlsanand 21:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete fails WP:PROF & WP:BIO SkierRMH 22:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Do NOT Delete as Prof. Mohammed is primarily notable with respect to his thesis concerning support for the establishment of Israel, which is a controversial position for a muslim scholar (link). A simple Google search for him makes it clear that he is a well-regarded and well-travelled speaker, especially as to the controversial subject of Israel/Palestine. I would add that information to article but I do not possess enough information or knowledge on that exact subject to add the appropriate content; perhaps a current student or graduate assistant could do so? It makes me wonder if the inclusion of this article into AFD has more to do with him being a professor at San Diego State University (a California State University campus rather than a University of California campus) and not so much as being perceived as non-notable; perhaps if he was a professor elsewhere this article wouldn't have been identified as AFD. Unfortunately, if the majority consider him "simply a professor at a mid-tier school" then we had better delete this article. Streltzer 22:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - No assertion in the nomination of WHY he fails WP:BIO. The professor test while not policy seems to be met here. Lots of varied mentions on the net - seems to be notable and have reliable sources available. - Peripitus (Talk) 23:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The second half of the introductory paragraph is copied from the subject's web page at http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~khaleel/ ... since there are no references or citations that support any of the criteria in WP:PROF, I don't see how you can say it "seems to be met here." Show me just one link in the article to a reputable source that satisfies just one of them! The "assertion" that it fails is self-evident and implicit in the fact that it does not satisfy any of the criteria ... and the burden of proof that it satisfies the criteria lies with the supporters, not the detractors ... a personal web page and a bio from the "Carol Fass Publicity & Public Relations" website do not even come close, since both are explicitly forbidden reference sources for notability ... that link for http://www.cias.sdsu.edu/ is useless even as proof that he is "a core faculty member of SDSU's Center for Islamic and Arabic Studies" because his name is not mentioned on the linked page, or any page to which it is linked. --Dennette 01:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  05:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, can't see why he fails the Prof test Alf photoman 14:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Satisfies WP:PROF. When nomination says "just a professor" it looks like just a case of WP:IDON'TLIKEIT.Edison 01:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you explain to me (possibly insert in the article) how he meets the professor test? Prof test means you have to be more than a university professor. If this guy meets the test, can I start writing articles on all my uni professors. I may be willing to accept that he is well known, however, I really haven't seen it in this article. Every professor has had work submitted. What particularly worries me is if this article exists alone because of his support of the State of Israel. Having a controversial view alone, does not warrant having your own article. Should we have articles about every Jewish professor who has come to the conclusion that Israel is actually the modern day South Africa? I bet there's a lot more of those. No, they have to be noteworthy because of what they have done with that view (ie many works, and notoriety in a more general sector). Mohammed appears not to have done it. Also, I dont want to judge San Diego State, however I think the academic ranking and population of the school is somewhat important in determining notability. Maybe, I'm wrong. Nlsanand 04:36, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment many professors have published their dissertation and 2 or 3 more articles in refereed journals, then avioded any more such effort, and have had no influence or note outside the classroom or departmental committees. Edison 19:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:PROF. No mention in the article of why this particular academic is notable in his field. If such is added to the article, and referenced, then I change my !vote. -- Samir धर्म 19:07, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Do not look notable to me and fails WP:PROF. --- ALM 14:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I agree with Samir ... this is just an average academic who has published one paper a year since 1996 ... while the subject may have written many articles, there has been nothing written about the subject that establishes their notability in their field. According to Wiki policy, it is the responsibility of the supporters to show that the subject satisfies the criteria (in this case WP:PROF or WP:BIO), and I cannot find any citations in the article to satisfy either of them. It's not a question of how much they have published ... "notability" is a measure of how much has been published about them, and that is the evidence which the supporters have failed to provide ... none of the "Keep" votes (including Edison) has offered any indication in the article of how the subject satisfies the criteria, whereas the "Delete" votes only need to say, "I don't see anything that satisfies the criteria". --Dennette 16:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I added a significant amount of biographical and "notable" information to the article. I hope to add more. Since the majority of those who are in favor of deletion are more active with the Muslim Scholars articles that I am, is there anything that you might add to help with this article? Streltzer 00:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: The material that Streltzer (talk · contribs) has just added is a copyright violation, and it has been tagged and logged as such ... please see Talk:Khaleel Mohammed#Copyvio for the history and additional information about the subject's self-published biographical and "notable" information. --Dennette 05:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep His public advocacy work and the fact that he has been engaged as a consultant to goverments (including here in Quebec) suggest, to me, that he has a notability beyond academia. Shawn in Montreal 18:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment What "public advocacy work"? What "consultant to governments"? There is nothing in the article about either of those claims, and unless you can provide some reliable source citations, we only have your word that the statements are true, which makes such claims just unverified original research that cannot be included in the article ... lack of WP:RS citations is what this AfD is about ... unless you can show citations for those claims, they are just rumors, and thus invalidate your "Keep" vote. --Dennette 01:18, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Any unverified statements can be tagged as such. You're right, they should be backed with citations. The article needs to be improved, as do many. But my vote remains the same, whether or not you claim it is invalid.Shawn in Montreal 01:48, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, just to clear up any possible misunderstanding: I mentioned advocacy and government consultancy because they are mentioned in the article, however incompletely. It's not a question of taking "my word" -- I know nothing about this individual.Shawn in Montreal 01:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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